From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9092 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 22:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 22:58:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 1208 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 22:58:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 22:58:35 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16LBMn-0000YP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:57:13 +0000 Received: from dc-mx08.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.18] helo=dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16LBMm-0000YK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:57:12 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 65457001 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:04:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c1924e$5dae6860$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C30E95A.40CEA8CD@qsl.net> Subject: LF: W1TAG Screen Captures Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:56:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From 2300 until 0300, captures of the 135.921 - 135.924 spectrum as received at W1TAG, Holden, Massachusetts (FN42ch) will be available at: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/cap-1.jpg The screen shots will be updated automatically every 15 minutes. Note that 800 Hz represents 135.922 fairly exactly. In event of failure of the automatic process (likely!), I'll update the pictures manually as soon as I realize what's going on. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17269 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 22:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 22:44:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22063 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 22:44:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 22:44:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16LB7Q-0000Vk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:41:20 +0000 Received: from relay11.austria.eu.net ([193.154.160.115]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16LB7P-0000Vf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:41:19 +0000 Received: from qsl.net (dialup200.d1-Bst1.Riii.AT.KPNQwest.net [193.154.148.200]) by relay11.austria.eu.net (8.12.1/8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id fBVMeV3K015329 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:40:32 +0100 Message-ID: <3C30E95A.40CEA8CD@qsl.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:40:26 +0100 From: "Heinz Schnait" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136kHz tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello all, Recorded tonight: 135.9246 G4FTC -63dB 135.9244 DJ2LF -55dB 135.9229 DF6NM -48dB DFCW 135.9225 G3KEV -53dB A screenshot covering about 2100-2230 UTC is available on request (JPEG, 329KB). 73 and a Happy New Year! Heinz, OE5EEP From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6056 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 21:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 21:36:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 11146 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 21:36:41 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 21:36:41 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16LA5M-0000Nt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:35:08 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16LA5L-0000No-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:35:08 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:34:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3C30D9DA.8E815E24@att.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:34:18 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Realtime screen captures on web from NC References: <50.4429408.2961f812@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John's idea sounds like a great tool for the transmitting stations to see how their signal are being received at near real time. I will be attempting to do the same. Look for updates at about 30 min. intervals from North Carolina at: http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/135kHz.jpg Let me know if this works and if it is helpful. 73, Dexter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16089 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 21:24:48 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 21:24:48 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 27853 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 21:24:48 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 21:24:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L9tU-0000Lf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:22:52 +0000 Received: from dargolad.esoterica.pt ([195.22.0.27]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L9tT-0000La-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:22:51 +0000 Received: from srv17slx.esoterica.pt (srv17slx.esoterica.pt [195.22.0.47]) by dargolad.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBVLM5J26088 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:22:05 GMT Received: from slave-6 (por369.esoterica.pt [195.22.18.70]) by srv17slx.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fBVLM3k23052 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:22:04 GMT Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011231212346.00988c60@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Sender: brian@pop3.esoterica.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:23:46 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" Subject: Re: LF: Re: waste In-reply-to: <3C30A142.B2B4697F@usa.net> References: <200112311645.fBVGjQ808427@smtp.wanadoo.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I wish I could have expressed this so well in Italian. Perhaps Steve could do it for us from down under:-). Surely you could even run six QRSS signals through the middle of the sequential D2T M7F without a problem. If I can read it cleanly here why is there a problem over the water? Surely not receiver blocking? 73 Brian At 18:32 31/12/2001 +0100, you wrote: >>>From the screen capture I posted in a previous message >this morning, it is quite evident that yesterday evening >the band was crowded, but NO-ONE stepped on the >toes of another. The signals were all quite identifiable, >being disjointed in frequency. > >While myself think that the 7FSK is not optimal, nevertheless >it is a first step to leave behind our shoulders the CW, the >son of the spark transmitters. For weak-signal work, more >modern coding schemes must be used, based on the current >status of the information theory. And, having myself been a CW >operator for many years, I do recognize its charm, but I am >afraid it is a charm based on nostalgy... >In this world there must be ample space for nostalgy, but >nostalgy should not mean nor imply immobility or ultra-conservatism. > >Just my 2 cents of Euro (what an appropriate time...:-) > >73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18192 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 20:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 20:50:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4726 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 20:50:31 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 20:50:31 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L9Le-0000G1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:47:54 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L9Ld-0000Fw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:47:54 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.87.190]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:48:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3C3115CC.C07520DB@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:50:05 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all , Clearly saw 4ft from G4FTC starting at 1935. turned off to send emails. But might be prop trouble tonight . 6 meters just died . Kirunra magnetometer is having a big movement. might mean arrival of CME. I believe G4FTC faded out at end . Will go back to looking time now 2044Z. Will be on auto capture while I'm out carousing Happy New Year!VE1ZJ PS sunset here 2023Z From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27849 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 20:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 20:42:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 17960 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 20:42:25 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 20:42:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L9DZ-0000EJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:39:33 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L9DY-0000EE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:39:32 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.87.190]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:40:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3C3113D8.5A738212@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:41:45 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: 136 tonight References: <3C2FBE1A.93964090@ns.sympatico.ca> <000801c19227$a6e09340$3ee993c3@drawing> <000401c1922d$f7e8d760$1700a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Dave , Thanks . Did you get the pix? 73 de John VE1ZJ Dave Pick wrote: > Dear all. > > I have just spoken to Jim (what a novel idea...) about his 7fsk transmission > and he will move down to a centre-frequency of 135.920 for future tests. > He could not respond to the e-mail comments as has previously been stated, > he has no e-mail at home. > > So now everyone can beacon between .921 and .924 with impunity but don't ask > me to organise slots! > > Merry 2002 > Dave > G3YXM. > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24192 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 20:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 20:18:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 13126 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 20:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 20:18:51 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L8mj-0000BF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:11:49 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L8mh-0000BA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:11:47 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp241.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.241]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA17054 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 07:10:58 +1100 Message-ID: <006b01c19238$0d648580$f19a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C2FBE1A.93964090@ns.sympatico.ca> <005d01c1917a$ed5fca00$8f9a17d2@steve> <3C2F9E14.86C01AEA@usa.net> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Argo screen height... Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 07:16:25 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day Alberto, > > have you recently attended a class of applied psychology ? :-) > That kind of courses where they teach on how to persuade the > turkey to enter willingly into the roasting pan ? :-) > Realmente, stavo tentando di rimanere dalla padella (con voi e con i "fuochi del cespuglio"). 73s Steve VK2ZTO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7841 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 19:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 19:34:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12422 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 19:34:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 19:34:59 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L89c-00005B-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:31:24 +0000 Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.4]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L89b-000056-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:31:23 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.154.69c8c92 (25914) for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:30:32 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <154.69c8c92.296216d8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:30:32 EST Subject: LF: 7FSK bandwidth To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John and LF group, first of all, tnx agn to VE1ZJ for his reports. For me, being located in the "backyard" of continental Europe and possibly having the smallest ERP of the TA stns, its still very special each time John mentions my callsign. For 7FSK, I still think the simple solution is to cut tone spacing from 200 to 20 mHz. This would in no way affect SNR, but gain acceptance of co-bandusers as well as readability. Incidentally, the central frequency nr. 4 is not used anywhere in Jims message. With current parameters, this leaves a 0.4 Hz gap for other users... ;-) Happy New Year 73 de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4206 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 19:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 19:16:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 2617 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 19:16:26 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 19:16:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L7t6-00001S-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:14:20 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L7t5-00001N-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:14:19 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.77.71]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:11:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3C30FF2F.67247280@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:13:35 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: waste References: <200112311645.fBVGjQ808427@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <3C30A142.B2B4697F@usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Alberto, It's not just nostalgia. I, for example favor dfcw, because it is superior to cw because the dash length is shortened to be the same as the dot length. And for the same signal to noise ratio, therefore, information can be passed almost twice as fast. From what I see with 7f some freqs are transmitted on simultaneously which is reducing the power per element and some elements are shorter than others. To me there is no obvious improvement over dfcw while wasting spectrum space. As I have asked before, if there is enough improvement in the ability to send information to compensate for the spectrum space used , I would like to know about it. Also where the signals are so much weaker here in North America I find it difficult to read the closely packed stations On a Happier note, I just replaced Argo 110 with 128 and i appreciate the vast improvement. thanks Alberto for a good and simple to use system 73 es HNY de John VE1ZJ Alberto di Bene wrote: > >From the screen capture I posted in a previous message > this morning, it is quite evident that yesterday evening > the band was crowded, but NO-ONE stepped on the > toes of another. The signals were all quite identifiable, > being disjointed in frequency. > > While myself think that the 7FSK is not optimal, nevertheless > it is a first step to leave behind our shoulders the CW, the > son of the spark transmitters. For weak-signal work, more > modern coding schemes must be used, based on the current > status of the information theory. And, having myself been a CW > operator for many years, I do recognize its charm, but I am > afraid it is a charm based on nostalgy... > In this world there must be ample space for nostalgy, but > nostalgy should not mean nor imply immobility or ultra-conservatism. > > Just my 2 cents of Euro (what an appropriate time...:-) > > 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18756 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 19:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 19:07:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 26328 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 19:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 19:07:28 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L7kM-0008WR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:05:18 +0000 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L7kL-0008WM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:05:17 +0000 Received: from host217-35-44-222.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.44.222] helo=dellboy) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16L7jT-0006dp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:04:23 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c1922d$f7e8d760$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C2FBE1A.93964090@ns.sympatico.ca> <000801c19227$a6e09340$3ee993c3@drawing> Subject: LF: Re: 136 tonight Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:04:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear all. I have just spoken to Jim (what a novel idea...) about his 7fsk transmission and he will move down to a centre-frequency of 135.920 for future tests. He could not respond to the e-mail comments as has previously been stated, he has no e-mail at home. So now everyone can beacon between .921 and .924 with impunity but don't ask me to organise slots! Merry 2002 Dave G3YXM. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12900 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 18:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 18:22:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 29531 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 18:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 18:21:46 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L736-0008Q3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:20:36 +0000 Received: from cobalt7-he.global.net.uk ([195.147.246.167]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L735-0008Py-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:20:35 +0000 Received: from p3ds09a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.233.62] helo=drawing) by cobalt7-he.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 16L741-0005YD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:21:33 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c19227$a6e09340$3ee993c3@drawing> From: "David Sparvell" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C2FBE1A.93964090@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: 136 tonight Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:16:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, I've just started an overnight QRSS test on 135.924kHz using 60 second dots, but this time I've increased my power by 3dB. Reports and screenshots would be appreciated. 73's and a Happy New Year to One and All. David G4FTC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 951 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 17:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 17:58:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 27806 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 17:57:45 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 17:57:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L6fG-0008LS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:55:58 +0000 Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de ([195.20.224.149]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L6fF-0008LN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:55:57 +0000 Received: from [195.20.224.220] (helo=mrvdom04.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16L6eV-0002Kv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:55:11 +0100 Received: from pd9014a23.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.1.74.35] helo=diolog.de) by mrvdom04.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16L6eU-0005Ur-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:55:11 +0100 Message-ID: <3C309875.F598ACE5@diolog.de> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:55:17 +0100 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: EI0CF Kite Beacon References: <000101c19212$2b0810a0$529c01d5@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello, the signal was detectable, but not readable here - however, with his normal antenna I don't hear him at all. I think DK9DX worked him ca. 1600 UTC. Also heard some other stations today, G3KEV in QSO with SM3UWS, IK5ZPV was reported in DXC by DL6SN but not readable here .. 73 es HNY ! Fabian dj1yfk Alan Melia schrieb: > Hi all Finbar is running a kite beacon for the next hour or so ....reports > welcome. He is a lot stronger here than usual. > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK JO02PB > alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13457 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 17:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 17:42:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4704 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 17:42:53 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 17:42:53 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L6O4-0008H3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:38:12 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L6O3-0008Gy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:38:12 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.77.71]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:38:32 -0400 Message-ID: <3C30E950.44C46267@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:40:17 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all Last night was a mess. This morning one station took up almost half the spectrum i had promised to monitor and 5 stations were jammed between 921.8 and 922.3. THAT'S COORDINATION? Some ramblings agn 1 I see value in the 7f stuff . I have stated previously stated that there appears to be no improvement over DFCW. I might be wrong. I did request info on its potential benefits and got no answer. I see it as a spectrum waster. 2 Jammed among the 4 or5 were G3KEV and DF6NM . I thought I saw a "K5" fron IK5ZPV The last two stations were on same freq again. There appeared to be two other stations above DF6NM but they were too close to the 7f stuff to read. 3 Saw AQC YXM and KEV early. 4 When Mal started to transmit one could see "splatter" which made other stations less readable 5 KEV and YXM were on in the morning. YXM lasted until 0830Z the latest I have seen a EU stn. I don't know if he faded out or shut down 6 Will look again tonight. But after new years when we all have Email again I'll wait until we get order again . 73 all de John VE1ZJ es HNY From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15067 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 17:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 17:42:04 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 4282 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 17:42:03 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 17:42:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L6LY-0008Gp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:35:36 +0000 Received: from e2.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.102]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L6LX-0008Gk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:35:35 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e2.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA72756 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:31:16 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss10.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.76]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBVHWsc170860 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:32:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3C30A142.B2B4697F@usa.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:32:50 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: waste References: <200112311645.fBVGjQ808427@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From the screen capture I posted in a previous message this morning, it is quite evident that yesterday evening the band was crowded, but NO-ONE stepped on the toes of another. The signals were all quite identifiable, being disjointed in frequency. While myself think that the 7FSK is not optimal, nevertheless it is a first step to leave behind our shoulders the CW, the son of the spark transmitters. For weak-signal work, more modern coding schemes must be used, based on the current status of the information theory. And, having myself been a CW operator for many years, I do recognize its charm, but I am afraid it is a charm based on nostalgy... In this world there must be ample space for nostalgy, but nostalgy should not mean nor imply immobility or ultra-conservatism. Just my 2 cents of Euro (what an appropriate time...:-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11254 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 17:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 17:22:48 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22517 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 17:22:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 17:22:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L67O-0008ET-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:20:58 +0000 Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.162]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L67N-0008EL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:20:57 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.50.4429408 (3850) for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:19:15 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <50.4429408.2961f812@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:19:14 EST Subject: LF: Realtime screen captures on web To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John, > I will attempt to post screen captures of 921 - 924 on the web every 15 > minutes starting at 2300 tonight... Great idea! Best wishes for tonight es 2002 Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15723 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 17:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 17:08:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 21556 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 17:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 17:08:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L5TS-00085q-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:39:42 +0000 Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.188]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L5TQ-00085l-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:39:40 +0000 Received: from comrex (207-172-97-156.s156.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.97.156]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n20340/mtc.v2) with SMTP id LAA22165 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:38:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006a01c19219$e51ff8c0$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c19214$0c7240a0$9d77883e@g3aqc> Subject: LF: Re: Re LF Waste Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:40:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Last night began with G3KEV at 0900, which is about 15 minutes BEFORE my sunset. Mal's signal was very good for a while, and then seemed to drop to a lower level, though it was still copyable. Caught the very distinctive "AQC" that Laurie transmitted. Also had G3YXM fairly clearly, but chance for a complete ID was thwarted by the crash of my screen capture setup while I was out of the house from 2330 to 0030. Will try to do better tonight! His final "M" was crystal-clear. M0BMU was quite clear in 7FSK mode, and I join others in wishing that it could be moved farther from 135.922. I seem to recall that Jim announced he would be out of email contact for the duration of the holidays, so he may not be aware of the sentiments expressed. A couple of other signals were seen, but not identified. Maintaining the standard 1:3 dot/dash ratio would be a help with the weak signals. I will attempt to post screen captures of 921 - 924 on the web every 15 minutes starting at 2300 tonight (or earlier if I get home from work in time). I'll post the URL here when I start. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17225 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 16:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 16:57:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 5813 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 16:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 16:57:07 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L5R9-00085C-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:37:19 +0000 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L5R8-000857-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:37:18 +0000 Received: from host213-122-207-232.btinternet.com ([213.122.207.232] helo=dave) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16L5QN-0007Fu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:36:32 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c19219$7a810cc0$e8cf7ad5@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000201c19118$2d863fa0$b08c01d4@g4jnt> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Fw: Virus Alert! HOAX HOAX - are you sure ? Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:36:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Andrew Talbot wrote: >That file was residing in the WINDOWS/COMMAND directory with the ugly >black icon as stated, and I fail to see how a proper operating system file can >have an icon like this, so there must be something going on ! You will indeed have this file on your computer and it does indeed have an ugly black icon. I may have misled by saying your computer won't boot without it - I was just passing on what I had heard - but it is an essential file used by DOS. Put it back! Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2982 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 16:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 16:49:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6640 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 16:49:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 16:49:00 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L5Zo-00086V-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:46:16 +0000 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.138] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L5Zn-00086Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:46:15 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p031.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.200.31]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBVGjQ808427 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:45:26 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112311645.fBVGjQ808427@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:45:37 +0000 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: waste [who cares] X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 12/31/01 1:31:00 PM, you wrote: >It seems to be a waste of time and frequency spectrum for someone to be >transmitting 7 level FSK every night especially when those monitoring >are making it clear that they are not interested. These observations >seem clear from the mail posted on here. Maybe the person concerned is >not reading the mail. Mal.. and all Some seem to read mail, but only if the header / person suits them. Jim made himself very clear he only has access to email on the job and won't read the messages as early as next year [probably wednesday] 73 and a happy new year all From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12131 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 16:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 16:22:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 15563 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 16:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 16:22:44 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L58k-00081I-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:18:18 +0000 Received: from imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.181]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L58j-00081D-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:18:17 +0000 Received: from modem-119.caranthir.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.145.119] helo=g3aqc) by imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16L57y-0007e0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:17:31 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c19216$cd54b120$9d77883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re.Re. Virus Alert Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:16:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I must appologise to all for the trouble and confusion that my mail initiated.The information came to me from a source that I would trust and I passed it on in good faith. (also there was no warning from NORTON) At least I am now aware of Hoaxes and will be careful in future. May I wish everyone on this reflector a Happy New Year. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16789 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 16:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 16:19:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 12942 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 16:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 16:19:11 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L4ze-0007zj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:08:54 +0000 Received: from [212.204.115.10] (helo=hugo.fen-net.de ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L4zd-0007zb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:08:53 +0000 Received: from DEFAULT (dialin-nbg-029.fen-net.de [212.204.116.29]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA01694 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:10:21 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000801c19216$616aa780$1d74ccd4@DEFAULT> From: "Walter" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: 136 tonight Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:15:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id RAA01694 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hallo John and All, thank you for the tip. Yes I did not know that you receive from 921 to 924 only. My generator was set to 921, but that means 920.72 exactly, as Markus measured. So this night I will take the 924 or exactly 923.72. Sorry about my Generator, it has only 1Hz-steps. I will pay attention to avoid collisions with others. Best fer 2002 and 73 Walter DJ2LF -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: john currie An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2001 21:32 Betreff: LF: 136 tonight >Hi all , I see that DJ2LF was tx on 135.920.73 last night. With argo >set for 60 seconds I only have 3 Hz from top of screen to bottom. That >means I could not see DJ2LF . Again this info should be coordinated. >Firstly I am looking between 135.921 and 135.924 . The upper limit is >set for reception of G4FTC who visible again last night until fade out >at around 0800Z > DJ2LF or any other stations sending QRSS or DFCW please stay >within 135921 and 135.924 > Am starting capture now at 2025 Z > 73 de John VE1ZJ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10270 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 16:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 16:01:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 545 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 16:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 16:00:45 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L4pg-0007wK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:58:36 +0000 Received: from imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.179]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L4pf-0007wF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:58:35 +0000 Received: from modem-29.aranruth.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.119.157] helo=g3aqc) by imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16L4ou-00016b-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:57:48 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c19214$0c7240a0$9d77883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re LF Waste Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:58:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Many thanks for the report Dex, I actually only transmitted one sequence of AQC since the band was so crowded and I didnt want to add to the confusion,although I was on the freq.that I have used for some time. Best wishes for 2002. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24183 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 15:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 15:50:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 23558 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 15:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 15:50:15 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L4dt-0007uU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:46:25 +0000 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L4ds-0007uP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:46:24 +0000 Received: from host213-1-156-82.btinternet.com ([213.1.156.82] helo=default) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16L4cx-0001bj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:45:27 +0000 Message-ID: <000101c19212$2b0810a0$529c01d5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: EI0CF Kite Beacon Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:44:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all Finbar is running a kite beacon for the next hour or so ....reports welcome. He is a lot stronger here than usual. Cheers de Alan G3NYK JO02PB alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16536 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 15:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 15:05:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 18249 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 15:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 15:05:29 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L3xW-0007ov-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:02:38 +0000 Received: from clustermail.minx.net.uk ([212.85.249.131]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L3xV-0007oq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:02:38 +0000 Received: from [212.1.136.13] (helo=g1l5x3) by clustermail.minx.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 16L42I-0006zx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:07:35 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c1920b$56d85c00$0d8801d4@g1l5x3> From: "Howard Aspinall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c1909a$49ba6440$af60883e@g3aqc> <001201c1910b$77a5b1e0$59d97ad5@dave> <005b01c1911c$d0686960$0e7bfea9@telepac.pt> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Fw: Virus Alert! HOAX HOAX Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:53:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: To be sure, I deleted this file. In view of subsequent warnings about a hoax, I re-installed windows, and the file has been replaced. Therefore, I consider it safe to assume sulfnbk.exe is bona fide, and the alert was indeed a hoax. 73..Howard/G3RXH From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5341 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 15:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 15:04:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29578 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 15:04:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 15:04:43 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L3sj-0007mq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:57:41 +0000 Received: from mta13-acc.tin.it ([212.216.176.44] helo=fep13-svc.tin.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L3si-0007ml-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:57:40 +0000 Received: from mailsrv.dii.unisi.it ([212.171.197.119]) by fep13-svc.tin.it (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with ESMTP id <20011231145652.HASP19827.fep13-svc.tin.it@mailsrv.dii.unisi.it> for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:56:52 +0100 Message-ID: <3C307BA1.9FE4C763@mailsrv.dii.unisi.it> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:52:17 +0100 From: "valerio" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 135922 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: There is anyone listening on 135922 this night ? Happy new year to all. Valerio From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2470 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 14:49:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 14:49:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 20270 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 14:49:02 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 14:49:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L3fF-0007kc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:43:45 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L3fD-0007kX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:43:44 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:42:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3C307971.4B259EFF@att.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:42:57 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: waste References: <3C30689E.5D580CA4@netscapeonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I saw one good "AQC" and the measles, otherwise signals were much weaker than the night before. AQC posted at: http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/135922_30Dec01.jpg Dex gii3kev wrote: > > It seems to be a waste of time and frequency spectrum for someone to be > transmitting 7 level FSK every night especially when those monitoring > are making it clear that they are not interested. These observations > seem clear from the mail posted on here. Maybe the person concerned is > not reading the mail. > Is there any point the rest of us sitting up all night trying on QRS and > DFCW if we are going to be swamped by this 7FSK. > I picked a clear freq and was active last night from 2100 - 0005 and > 0500 - 0650 but then a station started up virtually on top of me on 7FSK > and probably wiped me and the others near by out. > What is the point in doing this ?? > Did anyone across in the USA and Canada see anything last night of the > rest of us on qrs and dfcw. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27805 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 13:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 13:35:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 5577 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 13:35:12 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 13:35:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L2Xf-0007ba-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:31:51 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L2Xe-0007bV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:31:50 +0000 Received: from ldsas02-66-117-205.cw-visp.com ([212.137.117.205] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16L2MT-0003NH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:20:18 +0000 Message-ID: <3C30689E.5D580CA4@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:31:10 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: waste Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: It seems to be a waste of time and frequency spectrum for someone to be transmitting 7 level FSK every night especially when those monitoring are making it clear that they are not interested. These observations seem clear from the mail posted on here. Maybe the person concerned is not reading the mail. Is there any point the rest of us sitting up all night trying on QRS and DFCW if we are going to be swamped by this 7FSK. I picked a clear freq and was active last night from 2100 - 0005 and 0500 - 0650 but then a station started up virtually on top of me on 7FSK and probably wiped me and the others near by out. What is the point in doing this ?? Did anyone across in the USA and Canada see anything last night of the rest of us on qrs and dfcw. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22239 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 13:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 13:35:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 5585 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 13:35:12 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 13:35:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L2XY-0007bT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:31:44 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16L2XX-0007bO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:31:43 +0000 Received: from ldsas02-66-117-205.cw-visp.com ([212.137.117.205] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16L2MM-0003N6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:20:10 +0000 Message-ID: <3C306893.A930AD6@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:30:59 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 136 References: <3C301570.C5206F88@ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John Did u see anything last night of my signal. Signals on 7025 sounded Auroral but there were some USA stations audible but did not hear you. 73 de Mal/G3KEV john currie wrote: > Last night the 7 freq stuff was above 135.924.5 es it didn't cause qrm > . Tonight it starts at 135.922.4 and covers more than half the spectrum > I promised to monitor for QRSS and /or DFCW. > > VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27372 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 09:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 09:24:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26338 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 09:24:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 09:24:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KycM-0007AP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:20:26 +0000 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.138] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KycL-0007AJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:20:25 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p1168.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.203.149]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBV9JY824680 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:19:35 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112310919.fBV9JY824680@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:19:46 +0000 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: W1JHJ Stereo Rec. X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 12/30/01 1:36:00 PM, you wrote: >BTW: Anyone know of any good stereo spectrum programs suitable for QRSS? > >73 and thanks, >Jon W1JHJ Hi Jon.. Concerning the programs capable working in stereo i have Sound Technology software Speclab and SpecPro working that way. [SpecRTA from their line does not go as narrow as 30hz - 4khz] Commercial/expensive yes, but i i found a way to get out of that ;-) =Adress Info================================================ CONTACTING SOUND TECHNOLOGY, INC. ============================================================ Corp Mail: Sound Technology, Inc., 1400 Dell Ave, Campbell CA 95008 Voice/Fax: Tel: 408-378-9531 Fax: 408-378-6847 Tech Support: Tel: 360-779-7082 Fax: 360-779-6847 E-mail: Support@SoundTechnology.com Web: www.SoundTechnology.com ============================================================ 73 de Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22372 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 08:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 08:00:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 6022 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 08:00:35 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 08:00:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KxHX-0006zv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:54:51 +0000 Received: from e31.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.129]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KxHW-0006zq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:54:50 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e31.co.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA77376 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:51:02 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss7.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.72]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBV7pOI99318 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:51:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3018F6.6AD9C941@usa.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:51:19 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LF Mailing List" Subject: LF: What a pile-up ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: What a pile-up on Sunday evening ! Five OMs in less than 3 Hz of band... Look at this capture : http://www.qsl.net/i2phd/pileup.gif >From the bottom : G3YXM in QRSS60 G3AQC in DFCW G3KEV in QRSS60 DF6NM in DFCW and finally a 7FSK signal which I didn't care to decode. The screen was captured at 23:23 UTC, Sunday 30th Dec. 2001 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8340 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 07:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 07:56:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 3872 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 07:56:22 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 07:56:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KxBb-0006z2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:48:43 +0000 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93] helo=rhenium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KxBa-0006yx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:48:42 +0000 Received: from host213-122-177-227.btinternet.com ([213.122.177.227]) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16KxAm-0005K1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:47:52 +0000 From: "Nick Foot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Argo screen height... Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:48:06 GMT Message-ID: <3c3017d5.774012@mail.btinternet.com> References: <3C2FBE1A.93964090@ns.sympatico.ca> <005d01c1917a$ed5fca00$8f9a17d2@steve> In-reply-to: <005d01c1917a$ed5fca00$8f9a17d2@steve> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:42:38 +1100, you wrote: >Why 320 lines ?? Well, for 640 x 480 resolution (480 >vertically) that is approximately what is left over after space is taken for >menu bars and status lines. The only way around this would be a version >for a screen resolution of 1024 x 768 The other way of increasing displayed bandwidth is to calculate and store the results for a greater bandwidth and then to be able to 'pan' the screen window across this increased bandwidth looking at any 320 line segment within the stored area. I am not offering to code this though!! Nick From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21608 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 02:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 02:37:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27128 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 02:37:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 02:37:06 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KsIO-0006R5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:35:24 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KsIN-0006R0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:35:24 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.104.73]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:34:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3C301570.C5206F88@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:36:17 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Last night the 7 freq stuff was above 135.924.5 es it didn't cause qrm . Tonight it starts at 135.922.4 and covers more than half the spectrum I promised to monitor for QRSS and /or DFCW. VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4171 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 00:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 00:49:46 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1578 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 00:49:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 00:49:43 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kqbx-0006FO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:47:29 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kqbw-0006FJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:47:28 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:46:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3C2FB56E.40D6B33F@att.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:46:38 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: My Argo has measles! 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dc-mx07.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.17] helo=dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KpMh-00063G-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:27:39 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 12947714 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:38:32 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c19189$744dfe20$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C2FBE1A.93964090@ns.sympatico.ca> <004901c19185$bd2ceb00$1700a8c0@home> Subject: LF: Re: Re: 136 tonight Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:26:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Pick To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 6:00 PM Subject: LF: Re: 136 tonight > John and all. > > It's tough to find a gap in that area. I am on 921.5, (3:1, 60sec) and > there are two stations just above this then the 7fsk signal occupying most > of the rest of your "window". I will shut off at 00:00 (if it doesn't go > bang before then.. ) to give someone else a chance! > Listening 7025. > > 73. > Dave > G3YXM > > > Hi all , I see that DJ2LF was tx on 135.920.73 last night. With argo > > set for 60 seconds I only have 3 Hz from top of screen to bottom. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23922 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 23:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 23:14:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 6233 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 23:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 23:14:20 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kp7B-0005zb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:11:37 +0000 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kp7A-0005zW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:11:37 +0000 Received: from host213-122-20-207.btinternet.com ([213.122.20.207] helo=computer) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16Kp6P-0000z1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:10:51 +0000 Message-ID: <001801c19187$44193640$cf147ad5@computer> From: "Martin M0MGM" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c1909a$49ba6440$af60883e@g3aqc> <001201c1910b$77a5b1e0$59d97ad5@dave> <007701c1917d$126c1fe0$8f9a17d2@steve> Subject: LF: Re: Virus Alert! HOAX HOAX Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:10:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Having suffered a major virus attack at work earlier this year I have no hesitation in recommending Norton that checks emails both in and out. The hoax viruses are a big problem and as they don't need any attachments they will slip through the net. I have never understood why Microsoft doesn't make it much more difficult for the unknowing to access the windows directory or any of the hardware / networking controls. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Olney" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:58 PM Subject: LF: Virus Alert! HOAX HOAX > G'day All, > > I have subscribed recently to an anti-virus program. I won't tell you > which one unless I receive direct inquiries as I don't want to put > commercial recommendations up here. It only costs US$20 p.a. (OK, so that > narrows it down a bit :-) for which I receive notifications and updates > nearly everyday. I usually update my virus data files every couple of > days (done automatically with a few clicks in the background as I am reading > my emails). When I received one of those SULFNBK.EXE hoax emails I > already knew about it several days prior. Forewarned is for-armed. > > Happy New Year !!!!! > > 73s Steve VK2ZTO > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15839 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 23:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 23:12:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 5263 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 23:12:38 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 23:12:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kp5Y-0005yq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:09:56 +0000 Received: from e2.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.102]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kp5W-0005yN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:09:55 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e2.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA35250 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:05:28 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss10.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.76]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBUN74I99326 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:07:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3C2F9E14.86C01AEA@usa.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:07:00 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Argo screen height... References: <3C2FBE1A.93964090@ns.sympatico.ca> <005d01c1917a$ed5fca00$8f9a17d2@steve> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Steve Olney wrote: > [...] > In any case, if the above gains are considered significant we would need to > ask Alberto to consider it. I am not going to do that as I have already > used up my share of Alberto's good nature asking him for other enhancements > in the past :-) > Good day Steve, have you recently attended a class of applied psychology ? :-) That kind of courses where they teach on how to persuade the turkey to enter willingly into the roasting pan ? :-) Anyway, the requirement has been noted. In this moment I am busy with other software activities (still in the LF field), so cannot make predictions on when it will be implemented, but it will be. Happy New Year to all 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5865 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 23:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 23:04:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 6098 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 23:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 23:04:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kox1-0005xj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:01:07 +0000 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kox0-0005xe-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:01:06 +0000 Received: from host217-35-44-222.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.44.222] helo=dellboy) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16KowG-00006A-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:00:20 +0000 Message-ID: <004901c19185$bd2ceb00$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C2FBE1A.93964090@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: Re: 136 tonight Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:00:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John and all. It's tough to find a gap in that area. I am on 921.5, (3:1, 60sec) and there are two stations just above this then the 7fsk signal occupying most of the rest of your "window". I will shut off at 00:00 (if it doesn't go bang before then.. ) to give someone else a chance! Listening 7025. 73. Dave G3YXM > Hi all , I see that DJ2LF was tx on 135.920.73 last night. With argo > set for 60 seconds I only have 3 Hz from top of screen to bottom. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4750 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 21:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 21:56:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 14674 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 21:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 21:56:43 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KntR-0005pe-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:53:21 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KntP-0005pZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:53:20 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp249.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.249]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA04913 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:52:31 +1100 Message-ID: <007701c1917d$126c1fe0$8f9a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c1909a$49ba6440$af60883e@g3aqc> <001201c1910b$77a5b1e0$59d97ad5@dave> Subject: LF: Virus Alert! HOAX HOAX Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:58:05 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day All, I have subscribed recently to an anti-virus program. I won't tell you which one unless I receive direct inquiries as I don't want to put commercial recommendations up here. It only costs US$20 p.a. (OK, so that narrows it down a bit :-) for which I receive notifications and updates nearly everyday. I usually update my virus data files every couple of days (done automatically with a few clicks in the background as I am reading my emails). When I received one of those SULFNBK.EXE hoax emails I already knew about it several days prior. Forewarned is for-armed. Happy New Year !!!!! 73s Steve VK2ZTO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8696 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 21:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 21:40:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 4837 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 21:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 21:40:23 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kned-0005nL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:38:03 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Knec-0005nG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:38:02 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp249.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.249]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA04119 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:37:10 +1100 Message-ID: <005d01c1917a$ed5fca00$8f9a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C2FBE1A.93964090@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: Argo screen height... Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:42:38 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day All, Alberto's excellent Argo program displays 320 (?) spectral lines each spaced by a frequency which is the reciprocal of the FFT record length in seconds. The record length appears to be a power of two in terms of number of samples (requirement for the simplest FFT algorithms) at a sample rate of 11025Hz. So for Argo mode of 10 seconds it appears that the record length is 11.89 seconds which gives a spectral spacing of 0.084 ... Hz. This times 320 gives a displayed bandwidth of about 27Hz. At 30 seconds this same analysis gives 6.7Hz, 60 seconds -> 3.36Hz, 120 seconds -> 1.7Hz. Other dot settings go for the nearest power of two (e.g., the 90 second dot setting uses the same resolution as the 60 second dot setting). So the bandwidth displayed on the screen is forced by the spectral spacing (determined by the record length) and the number of pixels available on the screen. Why 320 lines ?? Well, for 640 x 480 resolution (480 vertically) that is approximately what is left over after space is taken for menu bars and status lines. The only way around this would be a version for a screen resolution of 1024 x 768 (which would widen the bandwidth at 60 seconds dots from 3.36Hz to about 6Hz, for 120 second dots - from 1.7Hz to about 3Hz) or to swing the spectrum display around by 90 degrees to take advantage of the wider pixel dimension in the horizontal direction. Of course this would limit the length of time available on the screen. There would need to be extra CPU overhead to display the extra information (but I think not to do the FFT assuming a standard algorithmn is used) and this may be a problem for slower machines. Not to mention a considerable slice of Alberto's time to implement. In any case, if the above gains are considered significant we would need to ask Alberto to consider it. I am not going to do that as I have already used up my share of Alberto's good nature asking him for other enhancements in the past :-) 73s Steve Olney (VK2ZTO/AXSO - QF56IK : Lat -33 34 07, Long +150 44 40) ============================================= HomePage URL: http://www.zeta.org.au/~ollaneg Containing:- ULF, ELF, VLF & LF Experimentation MF 22m Experimentation InfraSonic Experimentation Laser Comms DX ============================================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26691 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 20:23:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 20:23:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5174 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 20:23:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 20:23:37 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KmSy-0005gJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:21:56 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KmSx-0005gE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:21:55 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.113.182]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:22:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3C2FBE1A.93964090@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:23:38 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all , I see that DJ2LF was tx on 135.920.73 last night. With argo set for 60 seconds I only have 3 Hz from top of screen to bottom. That means I could not see DJ2LF . Again this info should be coordinated. Firstly I am looking between 135.921 and 135.924 . The upper limit is set for reception of G4FTC who visible again last night until fade out at around 0800Z DJ2LF or any other stations sending QRSS or DFCW please stay within 135921 and 135.924 Am starting capture now at 2025 Z 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20301 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 18:44:37 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 18:44:37 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 20662 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 18:44:35 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 18:44:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kkr3-0005W8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:38:41 +0000 Received: from mail9.wlv.netzero.net ([209.247.163.66]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kkr2-0005W3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:38:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 28150 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 18:37:50 -0000 Received: from dialup-63.214.90.166.dial1.boston1.level3.net (HELO lazzo) (63.214.90.166) by mail9.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 18:37:50 -0000 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011230133610.00789eec@pop.netzero.net> X-Sender: w1jhj@pop.netzero.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:36:10 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Jonathan Jesse" Subject: Re: LF: Eu stns Dec 29/30th In-reply-to: <159.68f5c76.29606ae5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Looking at this list from Marcus and one of my screen shots from last evening, I can ID G3KEV and G3YXM. I previously reported that I copied a Y and Z from YXM but it was a typo. I have a clear Y and X from one ID cycle and an M from another. Let me know if you a screen shot of what I have Dave.I have a trace at 924 which appears to be G4FTC. Still can't ID a trace at 922.3 and the possible DFCW signal centered at 924.5. Anyone going to be on tonight? BTW: Anyone know of any good stereo spectrum programs suitable for QRSS? 73 and thanks, Jon W1JHJ FN42qw At 08:04 AM 12/30/01 EST, you wrote: >Hi Dexter and group, > >> At about 0015 UTC Mal's signal stopped. Perhaps he went QRT. > >yes, both Mal KEV and David YXM signed off around 0:15, and SXV also shut >down sometime around midnight. However, Mal came back in the morning. Active >stations as seen here last night were > >- 135925.00 +-0.6 M0BMU 7FSK 0.2Hz spacing (22:45 till morning) >- 135924.00 G4FTC (19:12 till morning) >- 135922.82 dash at 4:50 (IK5ZPV ?) >- 135922.80 G3YXM (19:50 - 00:15) >- 135921.87 G3KEV (22:10 - 00:13, 05:22 till morning) >- 135920.73 DJ2LF (20:35 - 05:30) > >Regards >Markus, DF6NM > > > ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5534 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 17:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 17:45:46 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 15798 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 17:45:44 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 17:45:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kjy1-0005Li-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:41:49 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kjy0-0005Ld-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:41:48 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.109.167]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:38:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3C2F97B9.97164E3D@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:39:53 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 135922 Khz References: <01123016042500.02127@base> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Valerio freq ok will look again 73 de john VE1ZJ VALERIO wrote: > Hello all, > I will try again on 135.922 tomorrow 31/12 starting at 5:30 untill 7:00 UTC. > Please tell me if there is enaugh room for me. > > '73 Valerio From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28731 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 17:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 17:44:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5168 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 17:44:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 17:44:49 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kjy3-0005Lo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:41:51 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kjy2-0005Lc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:41:50 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.109.167]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:41:49 -0400 Message-ID: <3C2F9883.49A2CA29@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:43:16 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 VE7SL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all as I said yesterday VE7SL will be looking for EU tonight I suggest anyone interested should try and contact him through this reflector. My contact with him is on 50 mHz es it aint perfect 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4857 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 15:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 15:13:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19811 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 15:13:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 15:13:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Khau-00054z-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:09:48 +0000 Received: from mta09-acc.tin.it ([212.216.176.40] helo=fep09-svc.tin.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Khat-00054u-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:09:47 +0000 Received: from base ([212.171.197.118]) by fep09-svc.tin.it (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with SMTP id <20011230150900.DFBW16294.fep09-svc.tin.it@base> for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:09:00 +0100 From: "VALERIO" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 135922 Khz Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:04:25 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <01123016042500.02127@base> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello all, I will try again on 135.922 tomorrow 31/12 starting at 5:30 untill 7:00 UTC. Please tell me if there is enaugh room for me. '73 Valerio From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24721 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 15:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 15:07:04 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 16427 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 15:07:03 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 15:07:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KhWp-00053n-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:05:35 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KhWn-00053i-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:05:34 +0000 Received: from ldsas03-67-118-35.cw-visp.com ([212.137.118.35] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16KhLd-0004at-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:54:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2F2B57.94946C99@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:57:27 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Band full ? References: <122.9e3b3cb.29606ae7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: MarkusVester@aol.com wrote: > Hi transatlantic gang, > > Band full? No, I believe there is plenty of space, it's just that we may have > to move a little closer: QRSS or DFCW watched with 10 mHz resolution could > leasurely be spaced at 100 mHz intervals. As the level differences between > different Eu sigs seen in America will hardly exceed 15 dB, spectral widening > during the keying is not a problem. Propagational doppler spread should also > be less than 10mHz (though there has been one unexplained observation of wide > doppler on a ZL-P29 LF path, not sure whether this was real). > > So it all becomes only a question of frequency accuracy and stability. Some > stations (e.g. BMU, FTC, YXM and hopefully myself) are within 10mHz of stated > freq (10^-7), which requires a calibrated OCXO or a very good TCXO. All > others I have seen lately apparently use standard <1ppm crystal oscillators > and have drifted less than 50mHz, which still is good enough. Only those rigs > generating LF by mixing two independent HF xtals are probably not stable > enough for real narrowband work. > > 7fsk must be regarded as a special case. In my opinion, much narrower tone > spacings (20 to 50 mHz) should be preferred, and could even improve > legibility because the sequence can be connected visually much easier. > > Though I don't particularly favor the thought of "frequency ownership" (still > the anarchist in me, at age 43?), I agree that allocations will make life > easier, and the receiving side can associate T-grade traces to their owners. I do not favour frequency ownership either and random frequency selection for the mode within a subband is to be preferred. Let the monitoring station identify the information being sent like call etc and not be dependent on frequency identification. With my recent first transatlantic qso I picked an unoccupied frequency and transmitted and was identified by a number of stations in both the USA and Canada and in Europe. The identification was on callsign and other info that I sent and not frequency dependent. With a frequency dependent system, then anything seen on that frequency would be attributed to a particular person, especially under marginal conditions, and this could lead to misinformation. de Mal/G3KEV > > > So some 30 stations could work in a 60s-Argo slot in parallel. (Btw I do > prefer the "90s slow" setting with equal frequency resolution.Temporal > resolution is anyhow limited by FFT bandwidth, the slower display simply > saves screen space.) And if that were not enough, we might eventually have to > ask Alberto for a higher window. > > 73 es have a nice sunny sunday > de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19040 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 14:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 14:41:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 2053 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 14:41:47 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 14:41:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kh5L-0004xn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:37:11 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kh5K-0004xi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:37:10 +0000 Received: from ldsas13-77-128-192.cw-visp.com ([212.137.128.192] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16KguA-0003gj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:25:38 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2F0DCE.405FC325@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:51:26 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fw: Virus Alert! HOAX HOAX References: <000d01c1909a$49ba6440$af60883e@g3aqc> <001201c1910b$77a5b1e0$59d97ad5@dave> <005b01c1911c$d0686960$0e7bfea9@telepac.pt> <000a01c19121$d8322dc0$1700a8c0@home> <000f01c19129$efd53aa0$1700a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dave Pick wrote: > Doh! > > That link doesn't find the original page.. > go to: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/ > > And click on "Hoaxes" in the reference area near the bottom of the page, You > will find SULFNBK.EXE warning in the alphabetical list. > > BTW. > > The antenna is now back up, first toothbrush failure I've had! > This long duration QRSS certainly smokes out (literally) any arcing on the > antenna. > I was using 45 sec dot QRSS as a compromise between 30 and 60 and 2:1 > dash/dot ratio, all of which conspired to make my signal unreadable... Hi Dave. I was able to copy your very strong signal yesterday and the display was perfect on ARGO. Not heard you for a long time, hope you make it across to W/VE 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > 73 > Dave > G3YXM. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Pick" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 11:05 AM > Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Fw: Virus Alert! HOAX HOAX > > > It is a hoax, although how the hoax messages are generated I'm not > sure.... > > Check the Symantec site at: > > > > > http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning. > > html > > > > It tells you how to put the file back! > > > > 73. > > Dave > > G3YXM. > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15426 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 14:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 14:39:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 1416 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 14:39:35 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 14:39:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kh5P-0004xu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:37:15 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kh5O-0004xp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:37:14 +0000 Received: from ldsas13-77-128-192.cw-visp.com ([212.137.128.192] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16KguE-0003gq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:25:43 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2F264B.E2F62C88@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:35:55 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re. the band is full References: <000b01c19113$71c92ba0$1f91883e@g3aqc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie Mayhead wrote: > Dave and Walter have commented on the crowding around 136.922. > Laurie, I suggested this in a recent message but there was no comment. Things have changed a lot since the original idea, now we have DFCW, 7 LEVEL FSK, and QRS at various speeds from 1 sec to 120 sec dots plus normal speed CW. We now have new users/operators that do not know about the old bandplan when everyone was side by side on QRS CW. I suggested we spread out and try and get a sub band for each mode. At present all modes are mixed up around the same small freq area. John/VE1ZJ has also made some comments about this problem. I am not in favour of everyone having their own frequency because that would be inflexible. Using a mode sub band system then an operator would chose his mode and pick a frequency unoccupied at the time, the next operator using for instance the same mode would pick a frequency along side the occupied one etc. Other mode users would do the same in their sub band. We could move up the band above 136 khz if necessary, there would still be enough space for normal CW operators, although for narrow band modes there should be ample room from 135.7 to 136 khz. Loran lines are not a problem for transmitting in this area and while CFH remains off air then the transatlantic stations if active could use the slot above 137.5 khz. These are my suggestions,comments please from those interested. de Mal/G3KEV > > http://www.lf.thersgb.htm > Dont know wether its still there. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17641 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 13:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 13:34:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 7415 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 13:33:46 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 13:33:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kg3G-0004qf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:30:58 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kg3F-0004qa-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:30:58 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:30:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3C2F16DE.A3A3688E@att.net> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:30:06 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Great LF prop died at 0015 UTC! References: <3.0.3.32.20011229231722.0077d5a4@pop.netzero.net> <001601c19118$64d974e0$1700a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dave, I assume the signal I was seeing on 922.75 that disappeared when G3KEV went QRT was yours. Sure looked odd on this end that both signals ceased and the loran line faded at the same time. http://www.qsl.net/w4dex/KEV30Dec01.jpg Good signal but as you said the spacing makes it very hard to decipher. Do you listen on HF for a possible cross band QSO? Dexter Dave Pick wrote: > > Jon > > That was me on 922.7 ish, until it snowed and the antenna came down again! > > Dave G3YXM. > > > but I can't ID them. My shot of the signal on 922.75 shows what looks > like > > a YZ. Dave G3YXM??? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27969 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 13:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 13:08:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28638 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 13:08:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 13:08:23 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kfed-0004lU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:05:31 +0000 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kfeb-0004lJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:05:29 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.122.9e3b3cb (3852) for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:04:39 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <122.9e3b3cb.29606ae7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:04:39 EST Subject: LF: Band full ? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi transatlantic gang, Band full? No, I believe there is plenty of space, it's just that we may have to move a little closer: QRSS or DFCW watched with 10 mHz resolution could leasurely be spaced at 100 mHz intervals. As the level differences between different Eu sigs seen in America will hardly exceed 15 dB, spectral widening during the keying is not a problem. Propagational doppler spread should also be less than 10mHz (though there has been one unexplained observation of wide doppler on a ZL-P29 LF path, not sure whether this was real). So it all becomes only a question of frequency accuracy and stability. Some stations (e.g. BMU, FTC, YXM and hopefully myself) are within 10mHz of stated freq (10^-7), which requires a calibrated OCXO or a very good TCXO. All others I have seen lately apparently use standard <1ppm crystal oscillators and have drifted less than 50mHz, which still is good enough. Only those rigs generating LF by mixing two independent HF xtals are probably not stable enough for real narrowband work. 7fsk must be regarded as a special case. In my opinion, much narrower tone spacings (20 to 50 mHz) should be preferred, and could even improve legibility because the sequence can be connected visually much easier. Though I don't particularly favor the thought of "frequency ownership" (still the anarchist in me, at age 43?), I agree that allocations will make life easier, and the receiving side can associate T-grade traces to their owners. So some 30 stations could work in a 60s-Argo slot in parallel. (Btw I do prefer the "90s slow" setting with equal frequency resolution.Temporal resolution is anyhow limited by FFT bandwidth, the slower display simply saves screen space.) And if that were not enough, we might eventually have to ask Alberto for a higher window. 73 es have a nice sunny sunday de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27885 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 13:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 13:08:23 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28622 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 13:08:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 13:08:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kfec-0004lO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:05:30 +0000 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kfea-0004lJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:05:28 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.159.68f5c76 (3852) for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:04:38 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <159.68f5c76.29606ae5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:04:37 EST Subject: LF: Eu stns Dec 29/30th To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Dexter and group, > At about 0015 UTC Mal's signal stopped. Perhaps he went QRT. yes, both Mal KEV and David YXM signed off around 0:15, and SXV also shut down sometime around midnight. However, Mal came back in the morning. Active stations as seen here last night were - 135925.00 +-0.6 M0BMU 7FSK 0.2Hz spacing (22:45 till morning) - 135924.00 G4FTC (19:12 till morning) - 135922.82 dash at 4:50 (IK5ZPV ?) - 135922.80 G3YXM (19:50 - 00:15) - 135921.87 G3KEV (22:10 - 00:13, 05:22 till morning) - 135920.73 DJ2LF (20:35 - 05:30) Regards Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23245 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 12:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 12:49:04 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 22926 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 12:49:03 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 12:49:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KfNJ-0004gH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:47:37 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KfNI-0004gC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:47:36 +0000 Received: from ldsas03-67-118-138.cw-visp.com ([212.137.118.138] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16KfC8-0007Po-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:36:05 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2F09C3.48FE45DD@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:34:11 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Great LF prop died at 0015 UTC! References: <3C2E69A5.F36DBB6B@att.net> <001901c190d2$4d5a9b00$0300a8c0@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John Andrews wrote: > Dex, > > That Mal's sure got one heck of a signal. > > > > At about 0015 UTC Mal's signal stopped. Perhaps he went QRT. Hello John and everyone watching/listening last night on 136 khz. I did QRT at 0015 utc then got up again at 0530 utc and went QRT again at 0810 utc approx. I like to be in the shack when the apparatus is transmitting and I always listen on 7025 khz approx for any xband qso's that develop. 73 De Mal/G3KEV > > > > Same thing happened here. Didn't save the shot. > > > KD4RLD was listening to a BC station on 163 kHz which was very strong > > but also vanished about 0015UTC. What happen to the great propagation? > > That's Europe One from the Saar Valley - a French language station. They > sign off every night around 0000 (sometimes 10-15 minutes later), and back > on around 0300. That's my window for evening signals near that frequency. > > > No problem with LCWA website. > > My ISP sometimes has trouble with connections to AOL-based sites. Dunno. > > > RAL just about consumed by that PLC. Is that line exactly on 184.600? > > No, 184.600 is at 800 Hz. So the line's about 0.2 Hz lower. That puts Paul > about 0.3 Hz low. > > He was very appreciative of my report, BTW. Seems like a nice guy. > > John (going upstairs for a while) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10684 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 12:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 12:49:04 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 22933 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 12:49:03 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 12:49:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KfNF-0004gA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:47:33 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KfNE-0004g5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:47:32 +0000 Received: from ldsas03-67-118-138.cw-visp.com ([212.137.118.138] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16KfC3-0007PX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:36:00 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2F0710.CA1F9AC6@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:22:40 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3KEV @ W3EEE References: <200112300302.fBU32X414810@galahad.joust.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Steve Dove wrote: > Hi Mal, > > Got a couple of scruffy Argo's of you from tonight (Sat.) Heard you > QRZing on 40, called you to no avail. A 4X came back to me instead, > (yeah, yeah, yeah, 599001, TU). Oh, well . . Hello Steve. I did hear your distinctive call EEE but you started to work the 4X4 and then disappeared!!!! Give me a call next time you hear me on 136 and 7025. The 7025 freq is nearly always clear late night and early morning here. 73 and tnx the info de Mal/G3KEV > . > > Not 'hearing' as well as last year yet. Working on it. > > 73 > > Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13719 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 12:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 12:32:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16602 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 12:32:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 12:32:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kf7f-0004cY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:31:27 +0000 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.138] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kf7d-0004cS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:31:26 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p631.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.201.159]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBUCUb821002 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:30:37 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112301230.fBUCUb821002@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:30:48 +0000 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: PSK10 X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Group.. The following came via email last night it's about a new PSK10 / PSK31 program. Just to be sure [before it's gone again] i uploaded it to my own website ;-) The file can be downloaded from: http://home.wanadoo.nl/nl9222/programs/multipsk.zip ** I unzipped all just in a separate dir. [did not use install] and got it working fb..** -------------------------------------------------------------- The latest release (1.1) of MULTIPSK The modifications are the following: * for PSK10, "window filter" replaced by "raised root cosine filter" (Beta=1 and 4 bits broad, in base band) on transmission and reception, * modification of QSO text recording (40000 characters max. due to limited "memo"), * lift cursors added on reception and transmission windows, * possibility to send the UTC date and time, * for PSK10, a little more better in QRM (30 Hz reception filter) and under noise. For the rest of the month of december, there will be PSK10 at 21h00 GMT on 7034 +/- 1 KHz USB on friday. -------------------------------------------------------------- 73 Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23419 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 12:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 12:32:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20128 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 12:32:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 12:32:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kf7g-0004ce-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:31:28 +0000 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.138] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kf7f-0004cX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:31:27 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p631.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.201.159]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBUCUc821009 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:30:38 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112301230.fBUCUc821009@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:30:49 +0000 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 1359xx Last night X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Last night 135921.5 DJ2LF -65.2 135922.3 G3KEV -41.6 135923.2 G3YXM -47.6 135924.4 G4FTC -38.1 135920.1 ? * 135921.3 ? * 135922.0 ? * *Not readable [ pushed off by bigger signals] 73 Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2313 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 12:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 12:08:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 5313 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 12:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 12:08:11 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kegv-0004ZB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:03:49 +0000 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93] helo=rhenium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kegu-0004Z6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:03:48 +0000 Received: from host217-35-44-222.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.44.222] helo=dellboy) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16KegA-0001cv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:03:02 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c19129$efd53aa0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c1909a$49ba6440$af60883e@g3aqc> <001201c1910b$77a5b1e0$59d97ad5@dave> <005b01c1911c$d0686960$0e7bfea9@telepac.pt> <000a01c19121$d8322dc0$1700a8c0@home> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fw: Virus Alert! HOAX HOAX Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:03:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Doh! That link doesn't find the original page.. go to: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/ And click on "Hoaxes" in the reference area near the bottom of the page, You will find SULFNBK.EXE warning in the alphabetical list. BTW. The antenna is now back up, first toothbrush failure I've had! This long duration QRSS certainly smokes out (literally) any arcing on the antenna. I was using 45 sec dot QRSS as a compromise between 30 and 60 and 2:1 dash/dot ratio, all of which conspired to make my signal unreadable... 73 Dave G3YXM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Pick" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 11:05 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Fw: Virus Alert! HOAX HOAX > It is a hoax, although how the hoax messages are generated I'm not sure.... > Check the Symantec site at: > > http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning. > html > > It tells you how to put the file back! > > 73. > Dave > G3YXM. > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29156 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 11:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 11:10:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 22809 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 11:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 11:10:55 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kdmr-0004SL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:05:53 +0000 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kdmq-0004SG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:05:52 +0000 Received: from host217-35-44-222.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.44.222] helo=dellboy) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16Kdm6-0003b4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:05:06 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c19121$d8322dc0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c1909a$49ba6440$af60883e@g3aqc> <001201c1910b$77a5b1e0$59d97ad5@dave> <005b01c1911c$d0686960$0e7bfea9@telepac.pt> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Fw: Virus Alert! HOAX HOAX Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:05:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: It is a hoax, although how the hoax messages are generated I'm not sure.... Check the Symantec site at: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning. html It tells you how to put the file back! 73. Dave G3YXM. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27468 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 10:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 10:34:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 14587 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 10:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 10:34:35 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KdD3-0004NT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:28:53 +0000 Received: from fep01-svc.mail.telepac.pt ([194.65.5.200]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KdD2-0004NO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:28:52 +0000 Received: from host ([212.55.189.105]) by fep01-svc.mail.telepac.pt (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20011230103135.BDUB19949.fep01-svc.mail.telepac.pt@host> for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:31:35 +0000 Message-ID: <005b01c1911c$d0686960$0e7bfea9@telepac.pt> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Sm9z6SBkZSBT4Q==?=" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c1909a$49ba6440$af60883e@g3aqc> <001201c1910b$77a5b1e0$59d97ad5@dave> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Fw: Virus Alert! HOAX HOAX Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:28:59 -0000 Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Emanuel_Ribeiro_de_S=E1?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In here the file was inside C:\windows\command, it was not supposed to be there, the Icon looked really scary and I have delete the file. My Windows (98) is still working well and reading large files OK, it boots normally. So, I don't know what to think ! Season greetings, Jose CT1EEB ----- Mensagem original ----- De: "Dave Sergeant" Para: "rsgb_lf_group" Enviado: Domingo, 30 de Dezembro de 2001 8:22 Assunto: LF: Re: Fw: Virus Alert! HOAX HOAX > Laurie G3AQC wrote: > >2. In the 'search for files or folders' type in sulfnbk.exe - this is the virus. > > DO NOT DELETE THIS FILE > This is a well known and widely publicised hoax. This file is used for windoze to > handle long file names properly - delete it and you will not be able to boot your > computer. > > Dave G3YMC > dsergeant@iee.org > dsergeant@btinternet.com > http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11404 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 10:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 10:05:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 29375 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 10:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 10:05:56 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kck8-0004Gr-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:59:00 +0000 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kck7-0004Gm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:58:59 +0000 Received: from host217-35-44-187.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.44.187] helo=dellboy) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16Kcie-0005Uz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:57:28 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c19118$64d974e0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3.0.3.32.20011229231722.0077d5a4@pop.netzero.net> Subject: Re: LF: Great LF prop died at 0015 UTC! Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:57:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Jon That was me on 922.7 ish, until it snowed and the antenna came down again! Dave G3YXM. > but I can't ID them. My shot of the signal on 922.75 shows what looks like > a YZ. Dave G3YXM??? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8476 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 10:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 10:05:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 29290 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 10:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 10:05:46 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kch6-0004GP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:55:52 +0000 Received: from smtp-1.visp.telinco.net ([212.1.130.1]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kch2-0004GH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:55:48 +0000 Received: from [212.1.140.176] (helo=g4jnt) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16KcbL-00066Y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:49:55 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c19118$2d863fa0$b08c01d4@g4jnt> From: "Andrew Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Re: Fw: Virus Alert! HOAX HOAX - are you sure ? Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:55:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I did follow Lauries advice and deleted that file before reading the follow up messages about it being a hoax. Subsequent rebooting the computer gave no problem. That file was residing in the WINDOWS/COMMAND directory with the ugly black icon as stated, and I fail to see how a proper operating system file can have an icon like this, so there must be something going on ! Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sergeant To: rsgb_lf_group Date: 30 December 2001 08:24 Subject: LF: Re: Fw: Virus Alert! HOAX HOAX >Laurie G3AQC wrote: >>2. In the 'search for files or folders' type in sulfnbk.exe - this is the virus. > >DO NOT DELETE THIS FILE >This is a well known and widely publicised hoax. This file is used for windoze to >handle long file names properly - delete it and you will not be able to boot your >computer. > >Dave G3YMC >dsergeant@iee.org >dsergeant@btinternet.com >http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1852 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 09:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 09:24:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 11653 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 09:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 09:24:47 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KcA7-0004CF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:21:47 +0000 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.215]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KcA6-0004CA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:21:46 +0000 Received: from modem-31.caranthir.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.145.31] helo=g3aqc) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Kc9M-0000dk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:21:00 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c19113$71c92ba0$1f91883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. the band is full Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:21:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dave and Walter have commented on the crowding around 136.922. We did have an agreed plan which avoided Loran lines and separated stations. It listed frequencies from 135.7080 to 135.7589. 136.9220 kHz was my frequency, but I can't use it now ! This plan was posted on Mike Dennisons web site, I would like to see us return to it. http://www.lf.thersgb.htm Dont know wether its still there. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9875 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 08:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 08:26:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 5030 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 08:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 08:26:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KbH4-00044n-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:24:54 +0000 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KbH3-00044i-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:24:53 +0000 Received: from host213-122-217-89.btinternet.com ([213.122.217.89] helo=dave) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16KbFv-0000z8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:23:44 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c1910b$77a5b1e0$59d97ad5@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: "rsgb_lf_group" References: <000d01c1909a$49ba6440$af60883e@g3aqc> Subject: LF: Re: Fw: Virus Alert! HOAX HOAX Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:22:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie G3AQC wrote: >2. In the 'search for files or folders' type in sulfnbk.exe - this is the virus. DO NOT DELETE THIS FILE This is a well known and widely publicised hoax. This file is used for windoze to handle long file names properly - delete it and you will not be able to boot your computer. Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29530 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 08:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 08:07:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29709 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 08:07:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 08:07:16 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kawz-0003zr-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:04:09 +0000 Received: from k2.pncl.co.uk ([212.35.226.183]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Kawy-0003zm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:04:08 +0000 Received: from blanch.pncl.co.uk (155.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk [212.35.234.155]) by k2.pncl.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBU83LJ15992 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:03:21 GMT Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011230080239.00a2a480@mail.pncl.co.uk> X-Sender: blanch@mail.pncl.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:04:14 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Walter Blanchard" Subject: Re: LF: the band is full! In-reply-to: <002c01c190c6$d265dd20$1700a8c0@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit At 00:13 30/12/01 Sunday +0000, Dave wrote:
Dear T/A listeners
 
The band is jammed with stations this side at 2300 - 2400 around 135.92 to 135.93.
 
Hope you get some good scans...
 
Dave
G3YXM.


Yes, here too. Difficult to separate them out specially DFCW. Couldn't we use a bit more bandwidth?

Walter G3JKV.

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10912 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 04:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 04:35:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7687 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 04:35:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 04:35:56 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KXbw-0003i2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:30:12 +0000 Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.103]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KXbv-0003hw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:30:11 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.29.203f77c4 (16784) for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:29:15 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <29.203f77c4.295ff21a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:29:14 EST Subject: Re: LF: the band is full! To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In a message dated 12/29/01 7:15:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, g3yxm@wireless.org.uk writes: << The band is jammed with stations this side ... >> Especially impressive, as I am told there are only seven active hams on the band... (grin) 73, John KD4IDY From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22101 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 04:23:05 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 04:23:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 4365 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 04:23:02 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 04:23:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KXS6-0003fE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:20:02 +0000 Received: from mail7.wlv.netzero.net ([209.247.163.57]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KXS5-0003em-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:20:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 6321 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 04:19:03 -0000 Received: from dialup-63.214.106.38.dial1.boston1.level3.net (HELO lazzo) (63.214.106.38) by mail7.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 04:19:03 -0000 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011229231722.0077d5a4@pop.netzero.net> X-Sender: w1jhj@pop.netzero.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:17:22 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Jonathan Jesse" Subject: Re: LF: Great LF prop died at 0015 UTC! In-reply-to: <3C2E69A5.F36DBB6B@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Nice sig from G3KEV here as well. Have remnants of 2 or 3 other stations but I can't ID them. My shot of the signal on 922.75 shows what looks like a YZ. Dave G3YXM??? Have another sig at 922.3, possibly another at 922.9 and what looks like DFCW almost off the top of my screen at 924.4 and 924.6. Anyone want to lay claim to these signals or was it interference? EU BC stations still booming in here at 0400 UTC but amateur signals faded out. Thanks and 73, Jon W1JHJ FN42qw At 01:11 AM 12/30/01 +0000, you wrote: >Starting before sunset here in NC Mal's signal was strong for several >hours. See this screen shot: > >http://www.qsl.net/w4dex/KEV29Dec01.jpg > >At about 0015 UTC Mal's signal stopped. Perhaps he went QRT. But look >at the other signals. Even the strong loran line at .921 went faint. >Not sure who or what is at 922.75. Check this screen shot: > >http://www.qsl.net/w4dex/KEV30Dec01.jpg > >KD4RLD was listening to a BC station on 163 kHz which was very strong >but also vanished about 0015UTC. What happen to the great propagation? > >Dexter > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23954 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 03:08:17 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 03:08:17 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16416 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 03:08:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 03:08:16 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KWFu-0003UK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 03:03:22 +0000 Received: from galahad.joust.net ([63.108.136.2] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KWFt-0003UF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 03:03:21 +0000 Received: from benny-hill (m8-137-198.joust.net [63.108.137.198]) by galahad.joust.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id fBU32X414810; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:02:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <200112300302.fBU32X414810@galahad.joust.net> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:01:32 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, gii3kev@netscapeonline.co.uk From: "Steve Dove" Subject: LF: G3KEV @ W3EEE X-Mailer: Opera 5.02 build 856a X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Mal, Got a couple of scruffy Argo's of you from tonight (Sat.) Heard you QRZing on 40, called you to no avail. A 4X came back to me instead, (yeah, yeah, yeah, 599001, TU). Oh, well . . . Not 'hearing' as well as last year yet. Working on it. 73 Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20115 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 01:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 01:39:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 18916 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 01:39:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 01:39:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KUtu-0003KX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 01:36:34 +0000 Received: from dc-mx01.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.11] helo=dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KUtt-0003KS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 01:36:34 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 60254305 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:43:34 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c190d2$4d5a9b00$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C2E69A5.F36DBB6B@att.net> Subject: LF: Re: Great LF prop died at 0015 UTC! Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:35:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dex, That Mal's sure got one heck of a signal. Good candidate for a personality transplant, though. > At about 0015 UTC Mal's signal stopped. Perhaps he went QRT. But look > at the other signals. Even the strong loran line at .921 went faint. > Not sure who or what is at 922.75. Check this screen shot: Same thing happened here. Didn't save the shot. > KD4RLD was listening to a BC station on 163 kHz which was very strong > but also vanished about 0015UTC. What happen to the great propagation? That's Europe One from the Saar Valley - a French language station. They sign off every night around 0000 (sometimes 10-15 minutes later), and back on around 0300. That's my window for evening signals near that frequency. > No problem with LCWA website. My ISP sometimes has trouble with connections to AOL-based sites. Dunno. > RAL just about consumed by that PLC. Is that line exactly on 184.600? No, 184.600 is at 800 Hz. So the line's about 0.2 Hz lower. That puts Paul about 0.3 Hz low. He was very appreciative of my report, BTW. Seems like a nice guy. John (going upstairs for a while) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16847 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 01:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 01:18:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8532 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 01:18:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 01:18:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KUVz-0003Hw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 01:11:51 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KUVy-0003Hr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 01:11:50 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:11:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3C2E69A5.F36DBB6B@att.net> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 01:11:01 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: Great LF prop died at 0015 UTC! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Starting before sunset here in NC Mal's signal was strong for several hours. See this screen shot: http://www.qsl.net/w4dex/KEV29Dec01.jpg At about 0015 UTC Mal's signal stopped. Perhaps he went QRT. But look at the other signals. Even the strong loran line at .921 went faint. Not sure who or what is at 922.75. Check this screen shot: http://www.qsl.net/w4dex/KEV30Dec01.jpg KD4RLD was listening to a BC station on 163 kHz which was very strong but also vanished about 0015UTC. What happen to the great propagation? Dexter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13359 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 00:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 00:18:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 7952 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 00:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 00:18:03 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KTcK-0003BP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:14:20 +0000 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KTcJ-0003BK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:14:19 +0000 Received: from host217-35-44-187.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.44.187] helo=dellboy) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16KTba-0000T7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:13:34 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01c190c6$d265dd20$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Subject: LF: the band is full! Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:13:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear T/A listeners
 
The band is jammed with stations this side at 2300 - 2400 around 135.92 to 135.93.
 
Hope you get some good scans...
 
Dave
G3YXM.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24628 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 22:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 22:41:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 11374 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 22:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 22:41:00 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KS7P-0002uf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:38:19 +0000 Received: from [212.251.28.100] (helo=platon.acisgroup.gr ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KS7O-0002uZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:38:18 +0000 Received: from emantz ([212.251.32.28]) by platon.acisgroup.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA00803 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 06:31:31 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c190b9$10251620$70fdfea9@emantz> From: "Emmanouel Mantzaras" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <16b.6633254.295f852e@aol.com> Subject: LF: Re: SXV back? Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:34:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Yes , SXV is on the air again. 73 de SV1BKE > Hi group, > > since 20:00, I am hearing a strong FSK signal on 135.75 / .85 kHz, approx. > +34 dBuV/m. A quick check with the loop points to a southeasterly origin, so > it may well be the old SXV from Greece. Bye bye to a clear bottom end... > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1662 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 22:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 22:31:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 102 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 22:31:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 22:31:51 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KRya-0002sv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:29:12 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KRyZ-0002sq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:29:11 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:28:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3C2E438A.C963E33@att.net> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:28:26 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: Great LF prop aleart! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Mal's 135.922 signal strong before sunset in North Carolina! Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16382 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 22:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 22:08:46 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 9649 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 22:08:43 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 22:08:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KRbt-0002qH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:05:45 +0000 Received: from e31.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.129]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KRbs-0002qC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:05:44 +0000 Received: from westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.140.22]) by e31.co.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA154774 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:00:29 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss4.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.69]) by westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBTM3E8121694 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:03:15 -0700 Message-ID: <3C2E3D99.22BBF00C@usa.net> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:03:05 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: SXV back? References: <16b.6633254.295f852e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: MarkusVester@aol.com wrote: > Hi group, > > since 20:00, I am hearing a strong FSK signal on 135.75 / .85 kHz, approx. > +34 dBuV/m. A quick check with the loop points to a southeasterly origin, so > it may well be the old SXV from Greece. Bye bye to a clear bottom end... > Markus and the group, I can confirm the presence of a strong signal where it used to be the RTTY from SXV. However the spectrum is totally different from what I remember. I captured a screen shot of it, you can see it at : http://www.qsl.net/i2phd/sxv0001.gif May be they changed the modulation format. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14722 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 20:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 20:47:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15253 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 20:47:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 20:47:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KQM6-0002i9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:45:22 +0000 Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.99]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KQM5-0002i4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:45:21 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.16b.6633254 (4381) for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:44:21 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <16b.6633254.295f852e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:44:30 EST Subject: LF: SXV back? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi group, since 20:00, I am hearing a strong FSK signal on 135.75 / .85 kHz, approx. +34 dBuV/m. A quick check with the loop points to a southeasterly origin, so it may well be the old SXV from Greece. Bye bye to a clear bottom end... 73 de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-NortonAV-TimeoutProtection: 0 X-NortonAV-TimeoutProtection: 1 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8745 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 19:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 19:54:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 14702 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 19:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 19:54:02 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KPX1-0002bd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:52:35 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KPX0-0002bY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:52:34 +0000 Received: from host217-35-44-187.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.44.187] helo=dellboy) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16KPWG-0005UA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:51:48 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c190a2$41bea780$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c1909b$d9007120$4c9693c3@drawing> Subject: LF: Re: Correction : QRSS60 Test de G4FTC Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:51:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Very loud with me. S9 +5dB in Birmingham. 73 Dave. G3YXM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sparvell" To: Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: LF: Correction : QRSS60 Test de G4FTC > Frequency 135.924kHz to avoid QRM! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Sparvell" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:42 PM > Subject: QRSS60 Test de G4FTC > > > > Hi All, > > > > I'll be transmitting a QRSS signal with 60 second dots throughout the > night > > on 135.923kHz - this time with a space between callsign blocks! > > > > Reports/Screen captures would be appreciated. > > > > 73s > > > > > > David G4FTC > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28366 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 19:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 19:46:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10949 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 19:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 19:46:53 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KPPq-0002aM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:45:10 +0000 Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de ([195.20.224.149]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KPPp-0002aH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:45:09 +0000 Received: from [195.20.224.209] (helo=mrvdom02.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16KPP5-0001xW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:44:23 +0100 Received: from p3e9d2308.dip.t-dialin.net ([62.157.35.8] helo=diolog.de) by mrvdom02.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16KPP4-0002VN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:44:22 +0100 Message-ID: <3C2E0F0C.796A31C1@diolog.de> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:44:28 +0100 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Fw: Virus Alert! References: <000d01c1909a$49ba6440$af60883e@g3aqc> Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit just another hoax

see http://www.europe.f-secure.com/hoaxes/sulfnbk.shtml
 

Laurie Mayhead schrieb:

 
-Subject: Fw: Virus Alert!
-
I have received an email saying that I might have a virus that is spread from address book to address book. It is apparently undetectable by Norton
and McAfee.  It remains dormant for about 14 days then activates and wipes
out the hard drive data.  I checked my hard drive, located the virus andsuccessfully deleted it. Since you are in my address book, you may like to do the same. 1. Go to 'start' - then to 'find' or 'search' depending on your computer. 2. In the 'search for files or folders' type in sulfnbk.exe - this is the virus. 3. In the 'look in' make sure you are searching Drive C.4. Hit 'search' button or 'find'.5. If this file shows up (it is an ugly blackish icon that will have the name 'sulfnbk.exe') - DO NOT OPEN IT.6. RIGHT click on the file - go to 'Delete' and LEFT click.7.  It will ask whether you wish to send it to the recycle bin, say 'Yes'.

8.  Go to Windows Explorer or wherever you display your Recycle Bin
and double click on it.9 .RIGHT click on 'sulfnbk.exe' and delete again or empty the bin. If you do find it, send this email to all in your address book,  because that is how it is transferred.  Sorry about this.

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24869 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 19:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 19:10:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 20356 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 19:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 19:09:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KOp7-0002VN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:07:13 +0000 Received: from cobalt3-he.global.net.uk ([195.147.246.163]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KOp6-0002VI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:07:12 +0000 Received: from p4bs06a02.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.150.76] helo=drawing) by cobalt3-he.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 16KOoT-0006gf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:06:33 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c1909b$d9007120$4c9693c3@drawing> From: "David Sparvell" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Correction : QRSS60 Test de G4FTC Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:04:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Frequency 135.924kHz to avoid QRM! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sparvell" To: Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:42 PM Subject: QRSS60 Test de G4FTC > Hi All, > > I'll be transmitting a QRSS signal with 60 second dots throughout the night > on 135.923kHz - this time with a space between callsign blocks! > > Reports/Screen captures would be appreciated. > > 73s > > > David G4FTC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22755 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 19:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 19:08:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19471 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 19:08:40 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 19:08:40 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KOiC-0002TL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:00:04 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KOiA-0002TC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:00:03 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.98.88]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:00:32 -0400 Message-ID: <3C2E5979.D13DE959@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:02:01 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, VE6SL is interested in looking for Europe on 135.922+/- . He will be looking for Mal tmw night 0600 to 0800. Unfortunately there might be Aurora By then . You may have chance to EMAIL him tonight. He is on this reflector. He has received ZL6QH on 182 kHz so he is familiar with LF 73 all De John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28249 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 18:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 18:56:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 11102 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 18:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 18:56:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KOcr-0002Rl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:54:33 +0000 Received: from imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.180]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KOcp-0002Rg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:54:31 +0000 Received: from modem-47.adunakhor.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.96.175] helo=g3aqc) by imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16KOc4-0001ZM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:53:45 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c1909a$49ba6440$af60883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Fw: Virus Alert! Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:54:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
-Subject: Fw: Virus Alert!
-
I have received an email saying that I might have a virus that is spread from address book to address book. It is apparently undetectable by Norton
and McAfee.  It remains dormant for about 14 days then activates and wipes
out the hard drive data.  I checked my hard drive, located the virus and
successfully deleted it. Since you are in my address book, you may like to do the same.
 
1. Go to 'start' - then to 'find' or 'search' depending on your computer.
 
2. In the 'search for files or folders' type in sulfnbk.exe - this is the virus.
 
3. In the 'look in' make sure you are searching Drive C.
4. Hit 'search' button or 'find'.
5. If this file shows up (it is an ugly blackish icon that will have the name 'sulfnbk.exe') - DO NOT OPEN IT.
6. RIGHT click on the file - go to 'Delete' and LEFT click.
7.  It will ask whether you wish to send it to the recycle bin, say 'Yes'.

8.  Go to Windows Explorer or wherever you display your Recycle Bin
and double click on it.
9 .RIGHT click on 'sulfnbk.exe' and delete again or empty the bin. If you do find it, send this email to all in your address book,  because that is how it is transferred.  Sorry about this.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12660 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 18:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 18:46:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 436 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 18:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 18:46:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KOTg-0002Q1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:45:04 +0000 Received: from cobalt1-he.global.net.uk ([195.147.246.161]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KOTf-0002Pw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:45:03 +0000 Received: from p0as08a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.232.11] helo=drawing) by cobalt1-he.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 16KOQM-0007Sj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:41:39 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c19098$c19ff940$0be893c3@drawing> From: "David Sparvell" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: QRSS60 Test de G4FTC Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:42:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, I'll be transmitting a QRSS signal with 60 second dots throughout the night on 135.923kHz - this time with a space between callsign blocks! Reports/Screen captures would be appreciated. 73s David G4FTC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26679 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 17:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 17:58:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 20336 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 17:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 17:58:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KNiw-0002KH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:56:46 +0000 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KNiv-0002KC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:56:45 +0000 Received: from host217-35-44-187.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.44.187] helo=dellboy) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16KNiB-00003u-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:55:59 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c19092$1091cc60$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <122.9d87def.295f557b@aol.com> Subject: LF: Re: 135922 dash Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:55:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Marcus It was probably me. I have been climbing on the roof and up trees all afternoon in the cold to put my antenna back up! I tuned up after I came in from the cold, you can see the TX drifting as it warms up... 73. Dave G3YXM. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: LF: 135922 dash > Hi Valerio, > > so this lonely dash was yours? Fb sig, SpecLab says on 135922.70 Hz. > Good luck! > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10418 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 17:23:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 17:23:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6601 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 17:23:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 17:23:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KNBD-0002GY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:21:55 +0000 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.163]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KNBB-0002GT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:21:53 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.122.9d87def (4446) for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:20:59 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <122.9d87def.295f557b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:20:59 EST Subject: LF: 135922 dash To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070105070504040100070305" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070105070504040100070305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Valerio, so this lonely dash was yours? Fb sig, SpecLab says on 135922.70 Hz. 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Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KMu6-0002Ci-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:04:14 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KMu5-0002Cd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:04:13 +0000 Received: from ldsas08-72-123-215.cw-visp.com ([212.137.123.215] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16KMix-0004jC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:52:43 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2DF5EF.28BE5700@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:57:19 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: speed/qso Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All This past 3 days I worked VE1ZJ xband a number of times with my signal on 135.922 khz and John on 7025 khz. I used different qrs speeds, 60 sec/3sec/2sec and 1sec dots. In spite of the slow qrs speed the duration of each qso was reasonably quick. QSO using 60 sec dots - took 60 mins approx to complete including callsign and RO acks. 3 sec dots - 3 mins 2 sec dots- 2 mins 1 sec dots- Althought John copied some of the callsign the limitations of ARGO at this speed, hand sent speed, did not permit a proper xband QSO. The dots and dashes were connected up and virtually unreadable, Johns comment. . These are probably the fastest transatlantic QSO times between the UK and Canada to date. Thanks to John for all the QSO'S and to all the other amateurs both in Europe and the USA and Canada for the screen shots and signal reports of my signals on 136 khz. Perhaps I should have stayed up late a couple of years ago and tried but I suppose its better late than never!!!!!!! Looking forward to a normal speed cw qso in the future across the Atlantic, it might be sooner than you think. 73 and tnx again to all de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15435 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 17:04:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 17:04:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29369 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 17:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 17:04:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KMsz-0002Cb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:03:05 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KMsy-0002CW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:03:04 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.108.219]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:00:41 -0400 Message-ID: <3C2E3D62.48058CA4@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:02:10 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 136 kHz References: <3C2DE766.6BDBDF54@mailsrv.dii.unisi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Valerio , I did see 5 dots on your freq last night at the start of your time, probably not you if your tx broke so quickly . For tonight bona fortuna 73 de John VE1ZJ valerio wrote: > Hello John and all, > i will try again tomorrow (30/12) starting at 4:30 60 sec. dot 1/2 ratio > on 135922 > This morning no enaugh fortune, i transmitted one dash than my antenna > wire crashed down owing to insulator arcing. > > '73, Valerio From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20927 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 16:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 16:05:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21128 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 16:05:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 16:05:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KLv6-000240-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:01:12 +0000 Received: from mta43-acc.tin.it ([212.216.176.239] helo=fep43-svc.tin.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KLv5-00022j-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:01:11 +0000 Received: from mailsrv.dii.unisi.it ([213.45.252.165]) by fep43-svc.tin.it (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with ESMTP id <20011229155954.BJXU3377.fep43-svc.tin.it@mailsrv.dii.unisi.it> for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:59:54 +0100 Message-ID: <3C2DE766.6BDBDF54@mailsrv.dii.unisi.it> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:55:18 +0100 From: "valerio" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello John and all, i will try again tomorrow (30/12) starting at 4:30 60 sec. dot 1/2 ratio on 135922 This morning no enaugh fortune, i transmitted one dash than my antenna wire crashed down owing to insulator arcing. '73, Valerio From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23438 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 14:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 14:31:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5230 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 14:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 14:31:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KKRW-0001rD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:26:34 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KKRV-0001r8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:26:33 +0000 Received: from ldsas17-81-132-5.cw-visp.com ([212.137.132.5] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16KKGN-0007KY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:15:04 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2DCE03.EC992231@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:06:59 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Copied your sig References: <3.0.3.32.20011229061654.0075dd28@pop.netzero.net> Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit  

Jonathan Jesse wrote:

Hi Mal,
Got a few nice shots of you ID last evening.  Have a screen shot if you
would like one.  The best signal started at about 0000 UTC and ended
abruptly at about 0050 UTC with just "G3".
Tnx Jon for the info and would like a screen shot. I switched off at 0050 and went to bed.
I will be on again tonight Sat 29 Dec pse call me on 7025 khz for xband qso.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
Rec Icom IC-746, antenna 1 meter active whip.

Thanks for the beacon,
Jon
W1JHJ
Plymouth, MA
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28520 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 14:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 14:28:23 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4121 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 14:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 14:28:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KKRU-0001r6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:26:32 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KKRT-0001r1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:26:31 +0000 Received: from ldsas17-81-132-5.cw-visp.com ([212.137.132.5] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16KKGL-0007KB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:15:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2DCD46.368BC982@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:03:50 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Copied your sig References: <3.0.3.32.20011229061654.0075dd28@pop.netzero.net> <16KIMX-1fAdgOC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: jannsen wrote: > Jonathan Jesse schrieb: > > Hi Mal, > > Got a few nice shots of you ID last evening. Have a screen shot if you > > would like one. The best signal started at about 0000 UTC and ended > > abruptly at about 0050 UTC with just "G3". > > Rec Icom IC-746, antenna 1 meter active whip. Yes I would like the screen shots please. I switched OFF at 0050 and went to bed that is why you saw no more signal hi. Please also listen for me on 7025 khz for xband qso with the USA. thanks Jon for the info. > > > > > Thanks for the beacon, > > Jon > > W1JHJ > > Plymouth, MA > > FN41qw > > http://geocities.com/ws1k.rm > > Hi Mal, > I observed the same. afterwards splatters from ur qrg up in frequency abt three > Hz. one dot length. > is the PA broken down ? PA not broken hi. Switched from 60 sec dots to 3 sec dots then 2 sec dots then 1sec dots. ?When you see this happen again adjust your ARGO etc for good copy. Tnx info 73 and tnx to all for screen shots and info and to John/VE1ZJ for all the xband qso's so far. de Mal/G3KEV > > > regards and gl in 2002 > Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9970 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 12:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 12:48:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8688 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 12:39:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 12:39:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KIfq-0001fZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:33:14 +0000 Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.98]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KIfp-0001fU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:33:13 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.11e.960d8aa (4241) for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:32:21 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <11e.960d8aa.295f11d5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:32:21 EST Subject: Re: LF: Copied your sig To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Uwe,

you wrote

> Hi Mal,
> I observed the same. afterwards splatters from ur qrg up in frequency
> abt three Hz. one dot length.
> is the PA broken down ?
>
> regards and gl in 2002
> Uwe/dj8wx


I saw the same and first thought the same. But the reason was Mal switched to "almost normal CW speed", which broadened the signal (so it almost wiped out DF6NM here, but I used a loop which favours N/E direction).


Cheerio,
  Wolf
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27571 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 12:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 12:20:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 530 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 12:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 12:20:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KIOu-0001d6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:15:44 +0000 Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.18]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KIOt-0001d1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:15:43 +0000 Received: from fwd01.sul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 16KIMZ-0003vH-0B; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:13:19 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.157.30.180]) by fwd01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16KIMX-1fAdgOC; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:13:17 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3.0.3.32.20011229061654.0075dd28@pop.netzero.net> Subject: Re: LF: Copied your sig X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:13:17 +0100 Message-ID: <16KIMX-1fAdgOC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Jonathan Jesse schrieb: > Hi Mal, > Got a few nice shots of you ID last evening. Have a screen shot if you > would like one. The best signal started at about 0000 UTC and ended > abruptly at about 0050 UTC with just "G3". > Rec Icom IC-746, antenna 1 meter active whip. > > Thanks for the beacon, > Jon > W1JHJ > Plymouth, MA > FN41qw > http://geocities.com/ws1k.rm Hi Mal, I observed the same. afterwards splatters from ur qrg up in frequency abt three Hz. one dot length. is the PA broken down ? regards and gl in 2002 Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10484 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 11:53:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 11:53:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16321 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 11:53:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 11:53:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KI07-0001ZG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:50:07 +0000 Received: from cmailenv3.svr.pol.co.uk ([213.218.77.55]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KI06-0001ZB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:50:06 +0000 Received: from [62.21.145.63] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16KHzL-00075y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:49:19 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011229120737.00a13980@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:51:13 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" Subject: LF: Re: Earth resistance In-reply-to: <001701c1904a$1e172ee0$8e7f883e@g3aqc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

Laurie, G3AQC wrote:

When I came into the shack this morning it was snowing ! rather wet snow,and
the ant. wires were about half inch diameter !
I turned on the Decca to check, and NIL no ant. current. Checked the
variometer ,reduced inductance by almost 0.5mH and bingo
current again. The wires are a bit low due to the weight of the snow but
only about 1 ft. So wet snow seems to be quite conductive at 136 ! Does'nt
seem to do much for ground loss though since max current about 0.25A short
of dry weather conditions. Thought you'd like to know.  73s Laurie.


In a dry period in summer I have measured an earth resistance at my location of the order of 22 ohms.
When dry in winter this rises to about 30 ohms.
After prolonged rain in winter it becomes 58 ohms.
Does water make the upper layers of the earth more lossy?

Best wishes to you all for 2002.

73, Dick, PA0SE
JO22GD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20663 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 11:23:54 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 11:23:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28322 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 11:23:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 11:23:56 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KHXo-0001W4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:20:52 +0000 Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net ([209.247.163.58]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KHXn-0001Vz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:20:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 13635 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 11:20:00 -0000 Received: from dialup-63.214.103.149.dial1.boston1.level3.net (HELO lazzo) (63.214.103.149) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 11:20:00 -0000 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011229061654.0075dd28@pop.netzero.net> X-Sender: w1jhj@pop.netzero.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 06:16:54 -0500 To: gii3kev@netscapeonline.co.uk, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Jonathan Jesse" Subject: LF: Copied your sig MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Mal, Got a few nice shots of you ID last evening. Have a screen shot if you would like one. The best signal started at about 0000 UTC and ended abruptly at about 0050 UTC with just "G3". Rec Icom IC-746, antenna 1 meter active whip. Thanks for the beacon, Jon W1JHJ Plymouth, MA FN41qw http://geocities.com/ws1k.rm ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16604 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 09:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 09:22:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 19017 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 09:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 09:22:44 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KFfT-0001Js-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:20:39 +0000 Received: from imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.180]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KFfS-0001Jn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:20:38 +0000 Received: from modem-14.ar-sakalthur.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.127.142] helo=g3aqc) by imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16KFei-0003le-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:19:52 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c1904a$1e172ee0$8e7f883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Interesting ! Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:46:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: When I came into the shack this morning it was snowing ! rather wet snow,and the ant. wires were about half inch diameter ! I turned on the Decca to check, and NIL no ant. current. Checked the variometer ,reduced inductance by almost 0.5mH and bingo current again. The wires are a bit low due to the weight of the snow but only about 1 ft. So wet snow seems to be quite conductive at 136 ! Does'nt seem to do much for ground loss though since max current about 0.25A short of dry weather conditions. Thought you'd like to know. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28157 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 09:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 09:22:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 18912 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 09:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 09:22:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KFfW-0001Jz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:20:42 +0000 Received: from imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.180]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KFfV-0001Ju-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:20:41 +0000 Received: from modem-14.ar-sakalthur.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.127.142] helo=g3aqc) by imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16KFel-0003le-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:19:55 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c1904a$1feba0c0$8e7f883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 UK/ZL Beacon. Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:58:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From 1530 today I will beacon specifically for ZL. Will run for about 2 Hours. I will use 135,721.5Hz so as to be clear of other band users. Mode DFCW 120sec dots 0.1Hz shift All reports welcome. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19661 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 06:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 06:14:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 21395 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 06:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 06:14:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KCdY-00014S-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 06:06:28 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16KCdX-00014N-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 06:06:27 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp248.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.248]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA04386 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:05:37 +1100 Message-ID: <015f01c1902f$b5d54480$ea9a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C291E77.9196D2BA@ns.sympatico.ca> <001701c18e75$5fa43780$0300a8c0@charter.net> <3C2B14B9.77F904D@netscapeonline.co.uk> <00a501c18f11$083e4840$ea9a17d2@steve> <3C2C5C40.A924A43B@netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: LF: ID? Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:11:45 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day KEV, > > Let me know when you are available to listen for me and I will check the best > grey line times on the computer sunset/rise times. > Sorry, too busy watching the property for spot fires and keeping leaves off the roof. Need masks to work outside because of the smoke (since Thursday). Looks like I will be doing that for the next week looking at the weather. Then its back to work - what a way to spend my holidays. Still, much luckier than many who have lost everything. When a firestorm goes through it absolutely reduces to ashes everything except metal, brick and concrete. No time to do anything except grab a few precious things and into the car and run for it. Must be in turn terrifying and then heart-breaking. We are very lucky to have a Volunteer Bush Brigade tradition in this country. They have saved many houses through their skill, training and sacrifice. They are coming from other States (VIC, QLD and SA) to assist. The trip from SA is around 1000km. They are our real Aussie heroes. They risk their life and limb for no financial reward - just the chance to help their fellow Aussies and serve their community. There are apparently about a quarter-of-a-million country-wide. Not bad in a country of only 20 million. Too bad we can't inject the same selfless spirit into our self-serving politicians. Suggest you ask the ZL lads to listen for you. They are much more capable at this moment. 73s Steve VK2ZTO Happy and Safe New Year. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13515 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 01:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 01:11:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29140 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 01:11:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 01:11:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16K7wu-0000aB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 01:06:08 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16K7wt-0000a6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 01:06:07 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.90.82]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 21:06:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3C2D5DA8.145231A8@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 01:07:36 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G4FTC Hi , just a note to say i copied your call sign here in Canada Last night around 2300 Z 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1859 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 20:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 20:40:58 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 116 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 20:41:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 20:41:00 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16K3h7-00006y-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:33:33 +0000 Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.7]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16K3h6-00006t-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:33:32 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.189.129a08b (4316) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:32:43 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <189.129a08b.295e30eb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:32:43 EST Subject: LF: 135.922: AQC and FTC To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi group, fb slow QRSS sigs by - G3AQC on 135921.58 until 18:50 (0.8 Hz jumps near the end), - G4FTC on 135922.99 since 19:14 (substantially weaker, but good O copy, first time seen here). Good luck de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4566 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 18:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 18:12:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2741 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 18:12:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 18:12:44 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16K1PO-0008Pu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:07:06 +0000 Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.4]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16K1PN-0008Pp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:07:05 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.157.66ca767 (25916) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:06:12 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <157.66ca767.295e0e93@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:06:11 EST Subject: Re: LF: 136 kHz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear John, Valerio es all > I will replay tomorrow (29/12) starting from 4:30 UTC untill 6:30 UTC on > the same frequency if D6FNM agree. no worries Valerio, and anyway it looks like I won't transmit tonight because of wind conditions. Normally, if I see you or know where u are, I can easily move up or down a couple of 100 mHz. Last night, I simply didn't realize when you came on 'cause I had fallen asleep a couple of hours earlier ;-). In general, coordination within Europe shouldn't be all that difficult, as we can all see each other, and QSK is possible with most of the narrow modes. Unless we tried to work the same slot in both directions... Thanks again John, for listening with such endurance and patience. Hope we are not keeping you away from your own transmitter project. 73, cul Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1841 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 17:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 17:12:23 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14653 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 17:12:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 17:12:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16K0Vf-0008JG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:09:31 +0000 Received: from mta23-acc.tin.it ([212.216.176.76] helo=fep23-svc.tin.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16K0Ve-0008J9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:09:30 +0000 Received: from mailsrv.dii.unisi.it ([213.45.252.168]) by fep23-svc.tin.it (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with ESMTP id <20011228170803.YTQU15319.fep23-svc.tin.it@mailsrv.dii.unisi.it> for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:08:03 +0100 Message-ID: <3C2CA5E1.FC712CBA@mailsrv.dii.unisi.it> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:03:29 +0100 From: "valerio" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello John and all, i started around 5:00 UTC, so my be you received something of mine transmission. I will replay tomorrow (29/12) starting from 4:30 UTC untill 6:30 UTC on the same frequency if D6FNM agree. '73 Valerio From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 571 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 15:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 15:48:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4998 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 15:48:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 15:48:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JzCQ-00089E-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:45:34 +0000 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.138] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JzCP-000899-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:45:33 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p1346.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.170.71]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBSFif820893 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:44:41 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112281544.fBSFif820893@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:44:50 +0000 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: QRPPP beacon on 160m X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 12/27/01 9:20:00 PM, you wrote: >Hello, > >I am running a QRSS3 - Beacon on 1,843.210 MHz now, keying my callsign. >Wonder if anybody can copy it. The TX is a XO-Buffer-PA (h/b) with only >8 mW output, fed into my T-antenna (2*15m horiz, 10m vertical, inv-v) > > >vy 73 de Fabian dj1yfk Fabian.. I forgot to add some figures to go with the Image, sig was -60.6dB More later, Ko From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16440 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 15:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 15:12:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5277 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 15:12:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 15:12:22 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JydX-00083y-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:09:31 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JydV-00083s-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:09:30 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.108.241]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:09:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3C2CD1E0.7F68453E@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:11:12 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, some ramblings from last night 1 M0BMU was in most of night with 7 sec stuff 2 had crossband QSO with G3KEV. His sigs were very strong. I measured Jim and Mal with Argo and Mal was consistently stronger by 7 db +/- 1 3 Later I, and Jack VE1ZZ copied G3KEV when Mal was using 3 second dots. We both had bad QRM from 60 Hz drifters so copy was intermittent on 3 sec dots . Solid here though on 60 sec dots. 4 DF6NM was "O" copy around 0645 faded out 0700 5 I think I saw Valerio IK5ZPV around 0530 not sure as DF6NM was on same freq and although the DF6 was dfcw Valerio's dashes were longer . i didn't get enough of them 6 I saw Laurie's dash also while working Mal. 7 We must coordinate better. Last night illustrates my fears . We don't have much spectrum on display when using argo, with 60 sec dots. DF6NM and IK5ZPV were on same freq this morning and more than half the display was taken up with 7FSK. Will send picts of 60 sec and 3 sec dots 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15241 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 14:10:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 14:10:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20384 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 14:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 14:10:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jxft-0007vP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:07:53 +0000 Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de ([195.20.224.149]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jxfs-0007vK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:07:53 +0000 Received: from [195.20.224.209] (helo=mrvdom02.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16Jxf4-00014b-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:07:02 +0100 Received: from p3e9e9ce9.dip.t-dialin.net ([62.158.156.233] helo=diolog.de) by mrvdom02.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16Jxf4-0001X9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:07:02 +0100 Message-ID: <3C2C6E72.D6B0F89A@diolog.de> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:06:58 +0100 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: QRPPPP beacon on 160m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello, I will run the QRSS3 beacon again tonight on 1843.210 MHz (+/- 3 Hz), from ca. 1830 UTC till midnight... Wonder if anybody can copy it. 73, Fabian dj1yfk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1574 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 14:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 14:03:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17010 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 14:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 14:03:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JxZQ-0007uF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:01:12 +0000 Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.83]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JxZN-0007uA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:01:09 +0000 Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 16JxYc-0006hB-01; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:00:22 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.156.6.195]) by fwd03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16JxYK-2CPdFAC; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:00:04 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C2BE816.C8DFD311@att.net> Subject: LF: high traffic on 135,92kHz X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000601070202010406080108" Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:00:04 +0100 Message-ID: <16JxYK-2CPdFAC@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000601070202010406080108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, have seen DJ2LF, G3KEV, DF6NM es M0BMU on 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16947 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 13:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 13:56:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 13134 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 13:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 13:56:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JxTM-0007rO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:54:56 +0000 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.19]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JxTL-0007rE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:54:56 +0000 Received: from modem-131.elrond.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.188.131] helo=g3aqc) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16JxSb-0005nu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:54:10 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c18fa7$448baf40$83bc883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136kHz Tests. Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:54:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From about 1530utc this afternoon I will transmit 120sec QRS on 135,921.5Hz. +/- 0.2Hz. I will transmit from just before our UK sunset until well after sunrise in ZL and E. Australia.. I know that this a long shot, a very long shot in fact, but all reports will be welcome, lets see if there is any propagation to the east. I will monitor 14,030kHz in case anyone wants to pass a report that way. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18599 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 13:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 13:26:48 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26780 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 13:26:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 13:26:51 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jx0J-0007oK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:24:55 +0000 Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.165]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jx0I-0007oD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:24:54 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.5f.20012c2e (4419) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:24:01 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <5f.20012c2e.295dcc70@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:24:00 EST Subject: Re: LF: Exceptional Signal To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Brian, > Absolutely exceptional signal at 23:55utc amazing - another fine example of Laurie's directional ducts? Here, the dash was approximately the same strength as Mal's signal above, and Jim was slightly weaker. Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6202 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 12:19:32 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 12:19:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10279 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 12:19:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 12:19:35 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JvwR-0007ha-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:16:51 +0000 Received: from dargolad.esoterica.pt ([195.22.0.27]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JvwQ-0007hV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:16:50 +0000 Received: from srv17slx.esoterica.pt (srv17slx.esoterica.pt [195.22.0.47]) by dargolad.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBSCG3w08501 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:16:03 GMT Received: from slave-6 (por374.esoterica.pt [195.22.18.75]) by srv17slx.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fBSCG3B21822 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:16:03 GMT Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011228121739.0097aaa0@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Sender: brian@pop3.esoterica.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:17:39 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" Subject: LF: Exceptional Signal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Absolutely exceptional signal at 23:55utc (computer clock running about 90s fast) captured by both Spec-Lab and Argo using separate receivers, giving 18dB signal above the noise floor on 135921.7Hz +/- 0.2Hz. At this location no amateur signal has exceeded 6-7dB above the noise floor todate. Is this exceptional propagation? 73 and a happy and peaceful 2002, Brian 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15145 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 12:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 12:08:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4769 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 12:08:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 12:08:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JvlW-0007fU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:05:34 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JvlV-0007fP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:05:33 +0000 Received: from ldsas06-70-121-1.cw-visp.com ([212.137.121.1] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16JvaI-00067M-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:53:59 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2C5C40.A924A43B@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:49:20 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: ID? References: <3C291E77.9196D2BA@ns.sympatico.ca> <001701c18e75$5fa43780$0300a8c0@charter.net> <3C2B14B9.77F904D@netscapeonline.co.uk> <00a501c18f11$083e4840$ea9a17d2@steve> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Steve Olney wrote: > G'day KEV > > > Seriously though, with your superior antenna, QRO capabilities and now > entering the narrowband world you could be the first Amateur transmission > received in ZL/VK. Bob Vernall and the gang at ZL6QH have proved it can > be done the other way. Hello Steve. Let me know when you are available to listen for me and I will check the best grey line times on the computer sunset/rise times. Anything is possible on LF also being in the right place at the right time helps. I was copied on normal cw a couple of years ago by a ships operator/MM off the coast of Boston, so transatlantic looked encouraging, and this has proved to be the case. Happy New Year de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH > > > Go for it BIG KEV !!!! > > 73s Steve VK2ZTO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21117 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 11:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 11:52:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15167 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 11:52:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 11:52:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JvRr-0007ax-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:45:15 +0000 Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.105]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JvRp-0007as-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:45:14 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.133.6e90c01 (18254) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:44:24 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <133.6e90c01.295db518@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:44:24 EST Subject: LF: 135.922 Dec 27/28 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi to all slot-watchers, signals sent last night were - 135922.7 to 923.3 : M0BMU in 7fsk (0.1Hz spacing). Jim's sequence can be clearly identified in Dexter's 2nd image: ...51122637... - 135922.3 /.4 : DF6NM in DFCW (22:36...07:52) - 135921.87 : G3KEV. Congrats on your and John's X-Band QSO ! - 135921.47 : rising dash of unknown origin, seen here as well at 23:52 - 135920.72 : DJ2LF, Walter in QRSS after 23:28. 135919.74 : DJ2LF until 23:25 Regards es best wishes Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28777 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 11:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 11:39:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16517 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 11:39:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 11:39:42 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JvF2-0007Yv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:32:00 +0000 Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.165]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JvEz-0007Yo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:31:57 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.17.20c69d6d (4068) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:31:03 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <17.20c69d6d.295db1f7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:31:03 EST Subject: Re: LF: QRPPP beacon on 160m To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Fabian,
sorry I received your info a bit too late. All I hear on 1843 kHz now is a funny "garbling" noise which has been there for ages.

Different subject:
The display around 135.92 kHz last night was impressive. At least two stations from GB, two DL's, all of them used different modulation types.
It took a while until I identified M0BMU, but his signal did not occupy more bandwidth than the signal of another well-known activist ! ( !!! )

73, cul and HNY
 Wolf From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27573 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 11:27:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 11:27:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 8786 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 11:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 11:28:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jv8Y-0007Xg-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:25:18 +0000 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.174]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jv8X-0007Xb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:25:17 +0000 Received: from modem-7.annatar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.115.135] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Jv7m-0001gW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:24:31 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c18f92$5c72a920$8773883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. G3KEV as seen in N.Carolina. Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:24:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Dex, Thanks for the unexpected report, I was setting up my DFCW generator as close as possible to my old T/A frequency and went on air for a few minutes to check that the signal was clear of the others operating around 135.922kHz. You captured that short burst Hi. Conditions must have been good last night. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 168 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 10:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 10:40:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11518 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 10:40:29 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 10:40:29 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JuKW-0007RF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:33:36 +0000 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.136] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JuKU-0007RA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:33:34 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p1073.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.203.54]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBSAWkV04270 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:32:46 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112281032.fBSAWkV04270@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:32:55 +0000 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: DLF splatter gone (for good?) X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 12/27/01 5:21:00 PM, you wrote: >Hi Bernd, Ko and Uwe, >The modulated noise bands in the spectrogram sent by Ko exactly look like >those I have seen here, though I was surprised about the strength at that >distance. What time did you take that image? >Regards >de Markus, DF6NM Hi Markus, Bernd, Uwe The SpectroGrams, were all recorded using the vertical, a 4ft 40turn loop and finally the old setup with the Datong converter between 11:00utc and 16:00utc. [The image "theband.jpg" is still on my website] 73 de Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18793 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 03:36:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 03:36:10 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25458 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 03:36:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 03:36:16 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jnn3-0006mz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 03:34:37 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jnn2-0006mu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 03:34:36 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:33:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3C2BE816.C8DFD311@att.net> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 03:33:42 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" , gii3kev@netscapeonline.co.uk Subject: LF: G3KEV as seen in North Carolina Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Mal was good copy here tonight. http://www.qsl.net/w4dex/G3KEV27Dec01.jpg Here is his RRR to VE1ZJ. Also someone had a good test signal on 135.9215 just before 0000 hrs. http://www.qsl.net/w4dex/G3KEVa28Dec01.jpg Dexter, W4DEX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5898 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 02:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 02:07:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14616 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 02:07:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 02:07:11 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JmND-0006bi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 02:03:51 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JmNC-0006bd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 02:03:50 +0000 Received: from ldsas16-80-131-139.cw-visp.com ([212.137.131.139] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16JmC6-0004DY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:52:22 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2BD282.C0892CCC@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 02:01:38 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: xband Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello John. Thanks for the solid xband qso last night with my signal on 135.922 khz and yours on 7025 khz. I understand VE1ZZ copied me also. I am now going QRT at 0200 utc. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28294 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 22:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 22:25:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27228 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 22:25:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 22:25:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JivD-00065Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:22:43 +0000 Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.101]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JivC-00065L-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:22:42 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.46.1ffdf362 (3878) for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:21:53 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <46.1ffdf362.295cf900@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:21:52 EST Subject: LF: DLF splatter gone (for good?) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Bernd, Ko and Uwe, the annoying spurs centered on 137 kHz had reappeared in the morning of Dec 16th. They suddenly went away at 19:00 UT when power was switched down from the daytime level of 500kW (i.e. both transmitters) to 250kW (single TX), but were back in the next morning. After a telephone call on Dec. 17th, the engineers in Donebach apparently were able to solve the problem. A few hours later, the interference was completely cleared, and I have not heard it since. The modulated noise bands in the spectrogram sent by Ko exactly look like those I have seen here, though I was surprised about the strength at that distance. What time did you take that image? Uwe's observation on Dec. 22nd may be related to the familiar Luxembourg effect, i.e. ionospheric heating impressing the programming of DLF (and others) onto the carrier of DBF39. During many nights, the modulation depth appears to reach a level of 1% to 4% here, equivalent to a sideband power of a few watts. Regards de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21787 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 22:04:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 22:04:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 14470 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 22:04:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 22:04:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JibT-00062d-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:02:19 +0000 Received: from mailgate.fh-aachen.de ([149.201.10.254]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JibS-00062Y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:02:18 +0000 Received: from db0bm.ampr.org (db0bm.automation.fh-aachen.de [193.175.144.197]) by mailgate.fh-aachen.de (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id fBRN1Mt10249 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:01:23 GMT Posted-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:01:23 GMT Received: (from dj1yfk@localhost) by db0bm.ampr.org (8.11.3/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id fBRM1Ox22693 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:01:24 +0100 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:01:24 +0100 From: "dj1yfk" Message-ID: <200112272201.fBRM1Ox22693@db0bm.ampr.org> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: QRPPP beacon on 160m Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello, not sure if the first msg made it through the reflector so agn: I am running a QRPP beacon on 1,843.21 MHz with QRSS3 right now, until tomorrow morning. It's a XO-Buffer-PA (h/b) with about 8 mW output to my Doublet antenna ... Looking forward to any reports! My QTH is JO32QG ... 73, Fabian dj1yfk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29829 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 21:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 21:36:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23756 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 21:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 21:36:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Ji9H-0005xG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:33:11 +0000 Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de ([195.20.224.200]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Ji9G-0005xB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:33:10 +0000 Received: from [172.19.20.61] (helo=mrvdomng0.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16Ji8X-0002sU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:32:25 +0100 Received: from p3e9e9c93.dip.t-dialin.net ([62.158.156.147] helo=diolog.de) by mrvdomng0.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 16Ji8W-0007kM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:32:25 +0100 Message-ID: <3C2B8289.750E3253@diolog.de> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:20:25 +0100 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: QRPPP beacon on 160m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello, I am running a QRSS3 - Beacon on 1,843.210 MHz now, keying my callsign. Wonder if anybody can copy it. The TX is a XO-Buffer-PA (h/b) with only 8 mW output, fed into my T-antenna (2*15m horiz, 10m vertical, inv-v) vy 73 de Fabian dj1yfk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25809 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 20:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 20:12:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 26272 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 20:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 20:12:38 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jgov-0005kT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:08:05 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jgou-0005kN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:08:04 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp234.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.234]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA24895 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:07:16 +1100 Message-ID: <00bb01c18f12$da5e9720$ea9a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C2A5DDD.F33E5C02@ns.sympatico.ca> <3C2AF4D6.B7C93C4F@netscapeonline.co.uk> <3C2B6EFB.BCBFB23@ns.sympatico.ca> <001101c18ee8$f8f75480$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> Subject: Re: LF: 136 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:12:36 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day John, > > On the other hand, what I saw of Steve Olney's Wajina (sp?) mode last summer > was impressive, though I didn't have the information to decode it at the > time. Hopefully, he'll be able to do more with it when the U.S. Lowfer guys > turn into Hifers next summer. > Looks like I might have some time to do some coding over the next week. I am on holidays and we had booked 5 days at a resort up the coast, but at the moment we are surrounded on both sides by bushfires. At this time they are being driven either side of us by the winds, but we don't want to risk leaving our property unless the wind changes and blows them our way. We are lucky as we are relatively safe compared to others who are in the direct path of the fires. Over a hundred homes lost already. Expecting high winds again on this weekend along with temperatures reaching 40C forecast. That will not be good. Smoke is making our noses bleed and eyes sore so we have to limit our time outdoors (just checking the roof and surrounding land for burning cinders). Fingers crossed. 73s Steve VK2ZTO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27471 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 20:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 20:06:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 10166 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 20:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 20:06:31 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jgiy-0005jV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:01:56 +0000 Received: from public2.thorcom.com ([212.172.148.20] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jgix-0005jQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:01:55 +0000 Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.188]) by public2.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16JgZp-0006hn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:52:30 +0000 Received: from comrex (216-164-246-65.s2160.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.246.65]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n20340/mtc.v2) with SMTP id OAA13861 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:55:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002601c18f10$bc66ffc0$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C2A5DDD.F33E5C02@ns.sympatico.ca> <3C2AF4D6.B7C93C4F@netscapeonline.co.uk> <3C2B6EFB.BCBFB23@ns.sympatico.ca> <001101c18ee8$f8f75480$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> <3C2BBAA7.19A38181@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: LF: 136 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:56:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John, > Hi John what time do they tx on 182.2? I have sharp low pass filtor with break > at 150kHz but will try to listen for them 24-hour, except for wandering attention spans! Seriously, it would be an interesting thing to check out after 0800Z, or whenever the European BC station on 183 finally fades out at your QTH. Two of the stations are in Minnesota, and the other in North Carolina. Of the MN stations, BRO is on 182.2000, and LEK is on 181.9995. NC is on 181.9990. All frequencies are quite accurate, and an Argo 60 sec/dot screen would be ideal. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29413 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 20:04:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 20:04:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 21493 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 20:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 20:04:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JgcN-0005hG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:55:07 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JgcK-0005h4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:55:05 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp234.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.234]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA24334 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:54:13 +1100 Message-ID: <00a501c18f11$083e4840$ea9a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C291E77.9196D2BA@ns.sympatico.ca> <001701c18e75$5fa43780$0300a8c0@charter.net> <3C2B14B9.77F904D@netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: LF: ID? Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:59:05 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day KEV, Good grief !!!! Another pumping-hand stalwart seduced by the Dark Side !!!! Or have you had a FUN transplant ? > >You got the whole call G3KEV as above. This was my FIRST attempt at QRS 60 sec dots >so I was **pleased** that you copied me. > BTW, you hadn't mentioned any walking trips on the roads of Damascus :-) Seriously though, with your superior antenna, QRO capabilities and now entering the narrowband world you could be the first Amateur transmission received in ZL/VK. Bob Vernall and the gang at ZL6QH have proved it can be done the other way. Go for it BIG KEV !!!! 73s Steve VK2ZTO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16028 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 19:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 19:25:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25172 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 19:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 19:25:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jg6W-0005a3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:22:12 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jg6V-0005Zy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:22:11 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.94.17]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:22:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3C2BBBA8.3535CE91@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:24:08 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 136 References: <3C2A5DDD.F33E5C02@ns.sympatico.ca> <3C2AF4D6.B7C93C4F@netscapeonline.co.uk> <3C2B6EFB.BCBFB23@ns.sympatico.ca> <3C2B6815.B212CC3F@netscapeonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Mal ok I'll be ready on 7025. That time not always good due to neighbors QRM 73 de john VE1ZJ gii3kev wrote: > john currie wrote: > > > Hi Mal saw you last night also M0BMU > > Thanks John for the confirmation that my signals were visible and readable last > night. > I will be on tonight at the same time 2300 - 0200 approx same qrg 135.922 khz and > qrs 60 sec dots. > I will also listen on 7025 khz if you are able to call for a xband qso. I can > also tx on that qrg if necessary. > 73 and again thanks for the report, > de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH - QTH - 54.29757 N - 0.45601W (GPS accuracy indicated 11ft) > useful for accurate distance calculations) > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23805 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 19:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 19:22:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19383 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 19:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 19:22:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jg5D-0005Zr-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:20:51 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jg5C-0005Zm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:20:50 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.94.17]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:18:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3C2BBAA7.19A38181@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:19:51 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 136 References: <3C2A5DDD.F33E5C02@ns.sympatico.ca> <3C2AF4D6.B7C93C4F@netscapeonline.co.uk> <3C2B6EFB.BCBFB23@ns.sympatico.ca> <001101c18ee8$f8f75480$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John what time do they tx on 182.2? I have sharp low pass filtor with break at 150kHz but will try to listen for them 73 es HNY John VE1ZJ John Andrews wrote: > John, et al: > > > About QRSS, DFCW es 7 freq . I find qrss to be very effective. I > > believe DFCW is even more effective than QRSS because you can send info > much > > faster for the same signal to noise ratio. This makes sense because > although > > it takes same time to send a dot but the dashes are 3 times faster. It > does > > take up more spectrum space than QRSS but the greater efficiency will > either > > get the info across faster during condx of QSB or the transmitter can go > > double the dot length and get the info across in the same time as QRSS for > 3 > > db improvement in received SNR. > > The &FSK however takes up 3 times more spectrum space es I dont see > any > > benefit in speed/SNR improvement > > After last night, I think I'm with you on this one. The DFCW mode is my > favorite, thus far. With 7FSK, my brain has trouble with all of the stuff on > the screen. There were a lot of extra dots and short lines mixed in with it > yesterday, and I don't think I could have ever properly decoded the signal. > The situation was more noise-free the night before, and I got the M0BMU id's > without too much trouble. The visually-decoded modes depend heavily on your > mind's pattern recognition capability. I think the 7FSK stuff exceeds that, > especially in the presence of noise. > > On the other hand, what I saw of Steve Olney's Wajina (sp?) mode last summer > was impressive, though I didn't have the information to decode it at the > time. Hopefully, he'll be able to do more with it when the U.S. Lowfer guys > turn into Hifers next summer. > > Regarding spectrum space, we've got a nice efficiency demo going in the U.S. > at present, with three stations sending QRSS60 id's on 0.5 Hz spacing on > 182.200 kHz. It's been fascinating to watch the propagation each night. And > there's room for more in the screen. > > John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19695 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 18:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 18:32:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25350 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 18:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 18:32:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JfIG-0005PQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:30:16 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JfID-0005PK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:30:13 +0000 Received: from ldsas16-80-131-110.cw-visp.com ([212.137.131.110] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16Jf77-00077Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:18:46 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2B6815.B212CC3F@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:27:33 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 136 References: <3C2A5DDD.F33E5C02@ns.sympatico.ca> <3C2AF4D6.B7C93C4F@netscapeonline.co.uk> <3C2B6EFB.BCBFB23@ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: john currie wrote: > Hi Mal saw you last night also M0BMU Thanks John for the confirmation that my signals were visible and readable last night. I will be on tonight at the same time 2300 - 0200 approx same qrg 135.922 khz and qrs 60 sec dots. I will also listen on 7025 khz if you are able to call for a xband qso. I can also tx on that qrg if necessary. 73 and again thanks for the report, de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH - QTH - 54.29757 N - 0.45601W (GPS accuracy indicated 11ft) useful for accurate distance calculations) > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26201 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 16:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 16:22:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19503 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 16:22:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 16:22:53 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JdFR-000577-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:19:13 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JdFP-000572-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:19:11 +0000 Received: from ldsas03-67-118-175.cw-visp.com ([212.137.118.175] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16Jd4C-0003yS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:07:37 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2B14B9.77F904D@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:31:53 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: ID? 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John Andrews wrote:

Just came downstairs to find the following on the screen at 0115:  3/4 of a Gii3KEV?  Frequency was 135.9219, 60 sec dots.

Hello John,
You got the whole call G3KEV as above. This was my FIRST attempt at QRS 60 sec dots
so I was pleased that you copied me. I also got a screen shot from Brian in Portugal/CT1
I only transmitted for about 2 hours 1130 - 0120 then went to bed so you did very well to capture the signal in a short space of time

73 and thanks de Mal/G3KEV/SCARBOROUGH/ IO94SH
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Appears to have faded out for now, and I have to switch frequencies. John Andrews, W1TAG

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rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:41:31 +0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jcew-00050g-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:41:30 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.44.1884d22c (4453) for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:40:04 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <44.1884d22c.295c9ad4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:40:04 EST Subject: LF: 135.922 tests To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, at the moment (15:30 UT), I'm testing 7FSK on 135922.0 +-0.15 Hz, using a narrow spacing of 0.05 Hz and 50 + 50 s pairs plus 50 s breaks (CF = 1421.95, FS = 0.4, Symbol Rate = 0.02 in SpecLab). Later tonight after 22:00, I'll try to join Mal in DFCW. BTW in the 7fsk font, the special QSO-characters are accessible by typing capital letters O,M,T,C,K,#. cu de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23719 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 15:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 15:14:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 12376 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 15:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 15:14:41 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JcD5-0004wQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:12:43 +0000 Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.188]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JcCn-0004wD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:12:25 +0000 Received: from comrex (207-172-245-61.s823.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.245.61]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n20340/mtc.v2) with SMTP id KAA11968 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:10:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001101c18ee8$f8f75480$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C2A5DDD.F33E5C02@ns.sympatico.ca> <3C2AF4D6.B7C93C4F@netscapeonline.co.uk> <3C2B6EFB.BCBFB23@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: LF: 136 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:11:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John, et al: > About QRSS, DFCW es 7 freq . I find qrss to be very effective. I > believe DFCW is even more effective than QRSS because you can send info much > faster for the same signal to noise ratio. This makes sense because although > it takes same time to send a dot but the dashes are 3 times faster. It does > take up more spectrum space than QRSS but the greater efficiency will either > get the info across faster during condx of QSB or the transmitter can go > double the dot length and get the info across in the same time as QRSS for 3 > db improvement in received SNR. > The &FSK however takes up 3 times more spectrum space es I dont see any > benefit in speed/SNR improvement After last night, I think I'm with you on this one. The DFCW mode is my favorite, thus far. With 7FSK, my brain has trouble with all of the stuff on the screen. There were a lot of extra dots and short lines mixed in with it yesterday, and I don't think I could have ever properly decoded the signal. The situation was more noise-free the night before, and I got the M0BMU id's without too much trouble. The visually-decoded modes depend heavily on your mind's pattern recognition capability. I think the 7FSK stuff exceeds that, especially in the presence of noise. On the other hand, what I saw of Steve Olney's Wajina (sp?) mode last summer was impressive, though I didn't have the information to decode it at the time. Hopefully, he'll be able to do more with it when the U.S. Lowfer guys turn into Hifers next summer. Regarding spectrum space, we've got a nice efficiency demo going in the U.S. at present, with three stations sending QRSS60 id's on 0.5 Hz spacing on 182.200 kHz. It's been fascinating to watch the propagation each night. And there's room for more in the screen. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18828 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 13:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 13:58:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10257 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 13:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 13:58:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jb0O-0004l7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:55:32 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jb0N-0004ko-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:55:31 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.52.97]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:55:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3C2B6EFB.BCBFB23@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:57:00 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 136 References: <3C2A5DDD.F33E5C02@ns.sympatico.ca> <3C2AF4D6.B7C93C4F@netscapeonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Mal saw you last night also M0BMU About QRSS, DFCW es 7 freq . I find qrss to be very effective. I believe DFCW is even more effective than QRSS because you can send info much faster for the same signal to noise ratio. This makes sense because although it takes same time to send a dot but the dashes are 3 times faster. It does take up more spectrum space than QRSS but the greater efficiency will either get the info across faster during condx of QSB or the transmitter can go double the dot length and get the info across in the same time as QRSS for 3 db improvement in received SNR. The &FSK however takes up 3 times more spectrum space es I dont see any benefit in speed/SNR improvement Jim your signals were received again through most of the night 73 De John VE1ZJ gii3kev wrote: > john currie wrote: > > > Hi all Saw nil from OM2TW, but will look more carefully later. M0BMU > > was in all night with the 7 freq format. Seems to take a lot of space > > . Why will it be better? > > That is what I would also like to know. 7 fsk with tone spacing takes up > about 14 times more spectrum and is not compatable with others modes on > close adjacent frequencies, do not see any advantage with dfcw either > except that it and 7fsk are more noticeable on screen but that does not > constitute a better signal over noise transmission type or any advantage > over QRS which takes the minimum bandwith of all the modes to achieve the > object on a very narrow band. > A few nights ago someone was testing a data transmission around 135.920 > khz taking up 500 hz of bandwidth, what is coming next !!!!!!!!! > While experiments with different modes are to be encouraged 136 khz is not > a suitable band with only 2 khz available, the only suitable mode for this > band is CW, normal speed and QRS. > Try the HF and VHF bands or Satellites where there is and abundance of > spectrum available for mode experimentation. > > > G3KEV > > > > Valerio, OM2TW will be gone on vacation for few days . Perhaps you > > can transmit on 135.922 until he is back. Best time seems to be from > > 0300 to your sunrise > > Let me know if you will be transmitting es I will look for you. > > 73 all es hny de john VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19134 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 13:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 13:42:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 20226 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 13:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 13:42:11 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jakh-0004i0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:39:19 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Jakf-0004hv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:39:17 +0000 Received: from abc (man-s100.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.41.227]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id fBRDcV214570 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:38:31 GMT Message-ID: <000b01c18edb$7b979c00$e329f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <16d.63204d7.29599055@aol.com> Subject: Re: LF: SpecLab generates DFCW, QRSS and 7FSK Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:11:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: ----- Original Message ----- From: > Now, I realize the traditional "etaoin" sequence may not in fact be the most > common characters found in proper amateur QSOs. Does anyone have a corpus of such QSOs - or, failing that, of telegraphic English - on which we could do some analysis? 73 de John Rabson G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6043 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 12:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 12:31:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 16867 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 12:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 12:31:51 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JZfh-0004ZS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:30:05 +0000 Received: from dc-mx07.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.17] helo=dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JZfg-0004ZN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:30:04 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 11735013 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 07:40:55 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c18ed2$1a0b2960$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C291E77.9196D2BA@ns.sympatico.ca> <001701c18e75$5fa43780$0300a8c0@charter.net> <3C2B071B.E354FF10@netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: LF: ID? Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 07:29:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Mal, I will be running screen captures on 135.922 tonight from 2300 until about 0200, set for 60 second dots. Will be happy to see if I can get a complete ID. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24710 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 11:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 11:58:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26796 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 11:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 11:58:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JZ7O-0004TO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:54:38 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JZ7K-0004TJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:54:35 +0000 Received: from ldsas06-70-121-119.cw-visp.com ([212.137.121.119] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16JYw7-0005Wr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:43:00 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2B071B.E354FF10@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:33:47 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: ID? References: <3C291E77.9196D2BA@ns.sympatico.ca> <001701c18e75$5fa43780$0300a8c0@charter.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050502010805020408080908" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050502010805020408080908 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  

John Andrews wrote:

Just came downstairs to find the following on the screen at 0115:  3/4 of a Gii3KEV?  Frequency was 135.9219, 60 sec dots. Appears to have faded out for now, and I have to switch frequencies. John Andrews, W1TAG
Hello John and thanks for the clip. This was me G3KEV and my first attempt at QRS hi
Was using 60 sec dot. I was only running about 300 watts to keep the TX pa cool.
I only transmitted from about 1130 - 0110 utc then went to bed !! That is why you thought I faded out hi
I will TX again tonight at around the same time and possibly longer and would appreciate another report.
Thanks again for your dedication and expertise especially when you did not know that I was going to be on and you picked up my transmission which is perfectly visible on your screen shot.
I also monitor 7025 khz and transmit there if necessary for a xband qso.
73 and wishing you a Happy New Year.
de Mal/G3KEV
 
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rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:17:09 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JYX6-0004LF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:17:08 +0000 Received: from ldsas11-75-126-51.cw-visp.com ([212.137.126.51] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16JYM0-0004Me-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:05:41 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2AF4D6.B7C93C4F@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:15:50 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 136 References: <3C2A5DDD.F33E5C02@ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: john currie wrote: > Hi all Saw nil from OM2TW, but will look more carefully later. M0BMU > was in all night with the 7 freq format. Seems to take a lot of space > . Why will it be better? That is what I would also like to know. 7 fsk with tone spacing takes up about 14 times more spectrum and is not compatable with others modes on close adjacent frequencies, do not see any advantage with dfcw either except that it and 7fsk are more noticeable on screen but that does not constitute a better signal over noise transmission type or any advantage over QRS which takes the minimum bandwith of all the modes to achieve the object on a very narrow band. A few nights ago someone was testing a data transmission around 135.920 khz taking up 500 hz of bandwidth, what is coming next !!!!!!!!! While experiments with different modes are to be encouraged 136 khz is not a suitable band with only 2 khz available, the only suitable mode for this band is CW, normal speed and QRS. Try the HF and VHF bands or Satellites where there is and abundance of spectrum available for mode experimentation. > G3KEV > > Valerio, OM2TW will be gone on vacation for few days . Perhaps you > can transmit on 135.922 until he is back. Best time seems to be from > 0300 to your sunrise > Let me know if you will be transmitting es I will look for you. > 73 all es hny de john VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11962 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 11:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 11:26:58 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5591 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 11:27:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 11:27:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JYWu-0004LD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:16:56 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JYWt-0004L8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:16:55 +0000 Received: from ldsas11-75-126-51.cw-visp.com ([212.137.126.51] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16JYLZ-0004M6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:05:25 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2AECB0.398279EE@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:41:04 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 136 References: <3C29186A.78B8B5FD@ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: john currie wrote: > Hi all , Last night saw nil from Rich . Was using 60 sec dots thought > saw G3AQC . around Not much chance of seeing Rich with the 7FSK signal on the same frequency or near by. > > > 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10458 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 11:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 11:26:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5557 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 11:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 11:26:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JYWe-0004L5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:16:40 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JYWa-0004Kz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:16:36 +0000 Received: from ldsas11-75-126-51.cw-visp.com ([212.137.126.51] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16JYLU-0004Ly-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:05:09 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2AEC45.ED38F8E3@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:39:17 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: Clutter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I tried some 60 sec dot qrs last night for a short time around 2330 - 0110 utc and I dont suppose anyone across in W or VE saw it because of the clutter around the 135922 khz freq area. There are 3 different modes at present FSK , 7FSK and normal QRS all being used on adjacent close frequencies and it must be difficult and at the receiving end to watch these different modes because of the different settings required using ARGO or other s/ware for each one. It might be better for us to spread out on the band and allocate with agreement a sub band for each mode, otherwise we will end up with a mess of all modes intermixed at the RX end, also for two way QSO'S eventually we need some procedures established for this very narrow band on 136 khz. The old system worked very well when everyone was on QRS side by side and several could be seen at the RX end simultaneously, but with 7 fsk in particular spread about it is now difficult. I cannot see any advantage using 7fsk over the qrs mode, only disadvantage with 7 frequencies plus spaces taking up about 14 times more bandwidth. Maybe others would like to express an opinion. 73 and Happy New Year to all de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10405 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 02:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 02:22:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24086 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 02:22:29 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 02:22:29 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JQ8c-0003LP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 02:19:18 +0000 Received: from out1.prserv.net ([32.97.166.31] helo=prserv.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JQ8b-0003LK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 02:19:17 +0000 Received: from ieee.org (slip-32-102-142-127.md.us.prserv.net[32.102.142.127]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <20011227021824201051go38e>; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 02:18:25 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2A864E.6797A052@ieee.org> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:24:14 -0500 From: "Andre Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: LF: Xmas ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all the member of the LF Fraternity, from the AMRAD LF Gang André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19844 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 01:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 01:30:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 29154 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 01:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 01:30:33 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JPJM-0003DM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 01:26:20 +0000 Received: from dc-mx05.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.15] helo=dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JPJK-0003DH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 01:26:18 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 12974219 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:30:43 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c18e75$5fa43780$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C291E77.9196D2BA@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: ID? Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:25:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030902060308070806050204" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030902060308070806050204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Just came downstairs to find the following on the screen at 0115:
 
 
3/4 of a Gii3KEV?  Frequency was 135.9219, 60 sec dots.
 
Appears to have faded out for now, and I have to switch frequencies.
 
John Andrews, W1TAG
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rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:57:19 +0000 Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.164]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JNvB-0002xI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:57:17 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.136.66bfb5b (4240) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:56:27 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <136.66bfb5b.295bbda2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:56:18 EST Subject: Re: LF: SpecLab generates DFCW, QRSS and 7FSK To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Uwe and group,

Uwe wrote:
> for test purposes I filled the trx window with any text parts accidentally
> found as file in my PC. But it was not satisfactory.

I tried the same and it worked nice, thanks to Markus' nice fonts. It is very important to set the parameters as explained, especially the "Size" parameter in the font selection dialog. Otherwise windoze uses a different font (if SIZE<>1 for "CW") and small letters are transmitted in HELL instead of DFCW, CW, or 7FSK.

> testing the 7FSK mode I filled the trx window with thousends of "G`s"
> and observed the transmission in my summerhouse. but the transmission > stopped during observation. the trx letters were exhausted.

Strange- a single letter takes about a minute, and the "TX" text buffer can be filled with thousands of characters. Place the cursor at the start of the text, and press F3, this will set the internal "TX" position at the beginning and you should have a couple of hours of test transmission. The transmitted text will be painted red.

> any idea how I can get a "endlosschleife" installed ?
> what is it in english,  "endless loop" ?
I think "endless loop" is ok.
Unfortunately the "digimode terminal" doesn't have this feature, but it could be implemented if really necessary. Until then, if you really want to "beacon", copy the text into the clipboard (select it, then CTRL-C) and paste it many times (CTRL-V, CTRL-V, ...) until you think the tx window is full enough. Then set the cursor to the top again, and start the transmission by clicking the "TX" button.

From Markus' original message:
> To see your own signal as well, you may have to set up an analog loop
> by enabling Wave input in Windows' recording mixer.

...or you connect the spectrum analyzer's input to the audio output (D/A-converter) while you transmit, and to the audio input while you receive. This is neither "full duplex" nor user friendly at all, but it can be done manually in the 'component' window. The next version of the program has a second waterfall window which allows you to watch the input and output simultaneously (sri not uploaded yet).

73, best wishes for 2002
 Wolf DL4YHF
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 366 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 19:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 19:39:21 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20655 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 19:39:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 19:39:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JJrf-0002UJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:37:23 +0000 Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.164]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JJre-0002UE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:37:22 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.15.201b1816 (3968) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:36:31 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <15.201b1816.295b80bf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:36:31 EST Subject: Re: LF: Possible modulation scheme? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This being a topic likely to hold very little interest for our EU and NZ friends because it is so intimately tied to US regulations, I'll spare the bandwidth here myself, and respond later today on the lowfer@qth reflector. There are at least two really significant objections, one regulatory and one technical. 73, John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26670 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 19:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 19:14:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11598 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 19:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 19:14:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JJSk-0002Qu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:11:38 +0000 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JJSi-0002Qp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:11:36 +0000 Received: from fwd00.sul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 16JJRt-0003kB-02; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:10:45 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.227.109.10]) by fwd00.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16JJRc-2ITo9IC; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:10:28 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <161.62cd02a.29594454@aol.com> Subject: Re: LF: SpecLab generates DFCW, QRSS and 7FSK X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:10:28 +0100 Message-ID: <16JJRc-2ITo9IC@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: MarkusVester@aol.com schrieb: > Hi SpecLab co-users, > > Wolf's powerful program has a built-in terminal for digital modes for a SSB > TRX. One of them is a Parallel-Multitone Hell modulator, which generates > tones from the typefaces of text entered into the terminal. Combined with a > font editor (e.g. Softy by D.W.Emmett), this becomes a universal tool to play > with visual modulation schemes. The resulting tones are individually > phase-coherent and can be soft-shaped to avoid clicks. > > For narrowband DFCW, I have prepared a font consisting of two lines of dashes > and gaps. To use it, you have to copy the .fon file to the Windows\Fonts > directory. After starting SpecLab and the digimode terminal, you can choose > "DFCW" and enter Size = 1 in the Settings / Select HELL font menu. In > Digimode Configuration, you select Parallel MT mode and then set Symbol Rate, > TX Center Freq and FSK shift. For example, a symbol rate of 0.05 baud gives > 3*20s dashes and 20s intervals. The dash and dot frequencies are related to > the settings as > f_H = CF+ FS * 4/8 and > f_L = CF+ FS * 3/8, > e.g. CF = 1422 Hz and FS = 0.8 Hz produces 1422.4 / 1422.3 Hz tones. An > output level of 800% will give full scale DAC output, and the Symbol shaping > time can be set for smooth edges (e.g. 20%). > > After you have pressed TX, any text entered will be sent to the audio output. > Please don't look for all the special Morse characters, "sk" can be sent by > typing # . Normally, the audio input and waterfall is automatically disabled > during transmission, but you can reactivate it for duplex mode by clicking on > the Sound-In box in the SpecLab Components diagram. To see your own signal as > well, you may have to set up an analog loop by enabling Wave input in > Windows' recording mixer. > > The other fonts are for CW/QRSS and the new 7FSK mode. For CW, simply set FS > to 0 and CF to the desired audio note. The 7FSK freqs are > f7 = CF + FSK * 4/8 > ... > f3 = CF > f2 = CF - FSK * 1/8 > f1 = CF - FSK * 2/8, > e.g. CF = 2289.85 and CF = 1.2 above 135500 Hz zero beat gives Andy's set of > frequencies. > > I have decided to add an extra space after each 7FSK pair. This does slow > down the mode by a third, but it allows easier synchronization for the RX as > well as QSK to watch between characters on the TX site, and it gives the PA a > rest. > > Tnx agn to DL4YHF for SpecLab. > > Happy experimenting > de Markus, DF6NM > Hi Markus, have had a good time experimenting with the SpecLab implementations CW, DFCW es 7FSK from the HELL-machine. great idea. tks so much for the realization. for test purposes I filled the trx window with any text parts accidentally found as file in my PC. But it was not satisfactory. testing the 7FSK mode I filled the trx window with thousends of "G`s" and observed the transmission in my summerhouse. but the transmission stopped during observation. the trx letters were exhausted. any idea how I can get a "endlosschleife" installed ? what is it in english, "endless loop" ? regards and gl in 2002 Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7133 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 18:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 18:51:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 24937 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 18:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 18:51:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JJ4f-0002LF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:46:45 +0000 Received: from mta1.snet.net ([204.60.203.70]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JJ4d-0002L9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:46:44 +0000 Received: from cianciolo (97.79.252.64.snet.net [64.252.79.97] (may be forged)) by mta1.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with SMTP id fBQIil1u026859; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:44:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004401c18e3d$76ebd200$6901a8c0@cianciolo> From: "PC" To: lowfer@qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Possible modulation scheme? Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:45:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Sorry for the repeat bandwidth folks, but I though that the title of the message before would not have garnered any readers.
 
 
Hello Folks,
 
I may be way off base here but I am going to ask this question anyway. 
 
I just looked at part 15 regs and sure I missed something.
 
Background:
 
A thought occured to me while looking at the the 3 stations capture NC LEK BRO  put up on the web.   Sorry I am at work and don't remember  who it was.  Seeing all 3 staions fit into the space of 1 Hz looked very interesting.
 
I got to wondering if a person had lets say 2 lowfer stations on his property on 2 different frequencies .25 HZ apart, both running 1 watt into seperate antennas that would  be legal right??????
 
Now work with me here :>)  What if that same operator were to have a 8 transmitters(or some other number) on 8 freq. seperated by .25 Hz  with 8 antennas would it still be legal?   Yes????
This would mean 8 stations in a 2 Hz bandwidth correct?
 
And what if  all the transmitters were run by a common keyer that could be programmed to send a given specified length of dot/carrier in every one of those 8 positions with a common stop and start time.  Would you not see a specified length of dashes in all 8 positions on RX?
 
And could these 8 positions then not represent a binary code, or an ascii code, or some other code?
 
And all the above is true then could not the operator of these 8 stations, and acres of of antennas send a complete ASCII character in 1 dot length? 
 
Sorry for the craziness.
 
Then what if one could combine those 8 seperate transmitters into 1 antenna system?
 
Does part 15 preclude this?   The power is all on different frequencies, none exceeding 1watt, no 1 frequency exceeding the legal radiated power.
 
An identifier like "NC" could be sent in 1 minute assume 30 second dot length?
 
There has got to be some legal reason why this would not.
 
Some help to put me out of my misery.
 
PaulC
W1VLF
 
"Crazy in Connecticut"
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11642 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 18:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 18:37:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26196 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 18:37:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 18:37:05 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JIpn-0002JD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:31:23 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JIpm-0002J8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:31:22 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.11.156]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:30:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3C2A5DDD.F33E5C02@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:31:41 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all Saw nil from OM2TW, but will look more carefully later. M0BMU was in all night with the 7 freq format. Seems to take a lot of space . Why will it be better? Valerio, OM2TW will be gone on vacation for few days . Perhaps you can transmit on 135.922 until he is back. Best time seems to be from 0300 to your sunrise Let me know if you will be transmitting es I will look for you. 73 all es hny de john VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24754 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 16:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 16:21:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 29413 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 16:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 16:21:35 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JGmO-00022p-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:19:44 +0000 Received: from mta1.snet.net ([204.60.203.70]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JGmM-00022j-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:19:42 +0000 Received: from cianciolo (97.79.252.64.snet.net [64.252.79.97] (may be forged)) by mta1.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with SMTP id fBQGHh1u021132; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:17:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002501c18e28$ec640b20$6901a8c0@cianciolo> From: "PC" To: lowfer@qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Part 15 question or...is this guy crazy? Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:18:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello Folks,
 
I may be way off base here but I am going to ask this question anyway. 
 
I just looked at part 15 regs and sure I missed something.
 
Background:
 
A thought occured to me while looking at the the 3 stations capture NC LEK BRO  put up on the web.   Sorry I am at work and don't remember  who it was.  Seeing all 3 staions fit into the space of 1 Hz looked very interesting.
 
I got to wondering if a person had lets say 2 lowfer stations on his property on 2 different frequencies .25 HZ apart, both running 1 watt into seperate antennas that would  be legal right??????
 
Now work with me here :>)  What if that same operator were to have a 8 transmitters(or some other number) on 8 freq. seperated by .25 Hz  with 8 antennas would it still be legal?   Yes????
This would mean 8 stations in a 2 Hz bandwidth correct?
 
And what if  all the transmitters were run by a common keyer that could be programmed to send a given specified length of dot/carrier in every one of those 8 positions with a common stop and start time.  Would you not see a specified length of dashes in all 8 positions on RX?
 
And could these 8 positions then not represent a binary code, or an ascii code, or some other code?
 
And all the above is true then could not the operator of these 8 stations, and acres of of antennas send a complete ASCII character in 1 dot length? 
 
Sorry for the craziness.
 
Then what if one could combine those 8 seperate transmitters into 1 antenna system?
 
Does part 15 preclude this?   The power is all on different frequencies, none exceeding 1watt, no 1 frequency exceeding the legal radiated power.
 
An identifier like "NC" could be sent in 1 minute assume 30 second dot length?
 
There has got to be some legal reason why this would not.
 
Some help to put me out of my misery.
 
PaulC
W1VLF
 
"Crazy in Connecticut"
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4547 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 13:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 13:56:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 1744 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 13:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 13:56:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JERN-0001ko-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:49:53 +0000 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JERL-0001kj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:49:51 +0000 Received: from host213-122-60-146.btinternet.com ([213.122.60.146] helo=computer) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16JEQb-00032E-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:49:05 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c18e14$2e991900$923c7ad5@computer> From: "Martin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <81.15505111.295a7ce7@aol.com> <002101c18db1$ef252000$0300a8c0@charter.net> Subject: LF: Musing on Christmas presents I might have received Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:45:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Musing on Christmas presents I might have received. Staring at the new shirts and socks, eaten the chocolate chess board etc and now settled down to Xmas Radcom flicking through the adverts of things I really would like knowing that what you really want you have to buy yourself!!
 
At present the front end of my receiver foe LF is a Datong into an IC 740. At 28 megs the selectivity on the RX is akin to a good CB set and has not been at all pleasing.  Therefore If I went out and purchased a new or nearly new transceiver or pure RX that could go down to the low frequencies and have on board DSP what might I choose?
 
I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on commercial kit for RX 136, and in general what others are using to RX before feeding the output into a computer.
 
Merry Christmas
 
Martin M0MGM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21174 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 02:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 02:09:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 3105 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 02:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 02:09:43 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16J3TX-0000ZY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 02:07:23 +0000 Received: from dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.14] helo=dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16J3TT-0000ZT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 02:07:19 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 12309511 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:12:50 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c18db1$ef252000$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <81.15505111.295a7ce7@aol.com> Subject: LF: Re: 135.923 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:06:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050804070506080109050807" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050804070506080109050807 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Copied M0BMU in 7FSK mode on 136.923 kHz from about 0030 to 0120 UTC tonight. Unfortunately, I had Argo in 90 sec/dot mode, as I wasn't expecting the signal. The result is a little hard to decode, but finally became obvious.
 
 
John Andrews, W1TAG
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16J3L6-0000WL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 01:58:40 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:57:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3C292EAA.F091966A@att.net> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 01:58:02 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 135.923 References: <81.15505111.295a7ce7@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040707050605020400030202" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040707050605020400030202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the aleart Markus! I thought I was seeing odd noise bursts but it was Jim's signal I think. I had the top part of the signal above my screen. I have reset the screen to catch it all but now the signal is gone. Dexter MarkusVester@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Rich and Jim, > > [Unable to display image] > nice audible sigs around 00:50 UT: "TW" on 135922, and M0BMU decoded in 7FSK > 135923+-0.6, both up to 40dB SNR /21mHz using indoor loop, fading slowly. > > Last night 01:51 to 03:45, I was on 135922.3 /.4 again. 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with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 01:18:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16J2Ym-0000Ok-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 01:08:44 +0000 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.163]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16J2Yk-0000Of-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 01:08:43 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.81.15505111 (4004) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:07:51 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <81.15505111.295a7ce7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:07:51 EST Subject: LF: 135.923 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Rich and Jim, [Unable to display image] nice audible sigs around 00:50 UT: "TW" on 135922, and M0BMU decoded in 7FSK 135923+-0.6, both up to 40dB SNR /21mHz using indoor loop, fading slowly. Last night 01:51 to 03:45, I was on 135922.3 /.4 again. Then I took down the ant due to the stormy wx, and won't transmit tonight Best wishes Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26319 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 19:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 19:51:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5636 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 19:51:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 19:51:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IxXP-0008HL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:46:59 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IxXO-0008HG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:46:58 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.94.75]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 15:47:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3C291E77.9196D2BA@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:48:56 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Rich I will be looking tonight....135.922 set for 120 sec dots 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19940 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 19:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 19:26:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19637 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 19:26:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 19:26:16 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IxA8-0008EB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:22:56 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IxA7-0008E4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:22:55 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.93.26]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 15:21:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3C29186A.78B8B5FD@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:23:06 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all , Last night saw nil from Rich . Was using 60 sec dots thought saw G3AQC . around 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2241 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 16:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 16:55:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 15725 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 16:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 16:55:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Iulw-0007wx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 16:49:48 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Iulv-0007ws-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 16:49:47 +0000 Received: from abc (man-s163.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.45.34]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id fBPGn0Q28267 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 16:49:00 GMT Message-ID: <000601c18d63$7e2335c0$222df7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: LF: Re: Auguri! Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 15:47:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Ed anche a Lei. 73 de John Rabson G3PAI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claudio" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 8:56 AM Subject: LF: Auguri! > Tanti Auguri di Buon Natale. > > Claudio > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Claudio Pozzi http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii happy Linux user > E-Mail: Claudio > Date: 25-Dec-01 Time: 09:55:25 > This message was sent by XFMail > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13775 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 13:47:37 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 13:47:37 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: High Received: (qmail 11997 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 13:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 13:47:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IrsY-0007di-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:44:26 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IrsX-0007dd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:44:25 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBPDhat10605 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 14:43:39 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA05981 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 14:43:25 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 14:43:23 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C116@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" Subject: LF: Last night this year...QRSS120 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 14:43:19 +0100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi LF-ers... Tomorow I'll leave home for ski vacation. So, this will be the last night T/A test this year. Tonight (25/26.12.2001) I'll test QRSS120, not 60. Best regards and all the best in 2002. 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3616 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 11:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 11:50:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 29202 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 11:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 11:50:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Ipws-0007Oe-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:40:46 +0000 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.47]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Ipwq-0007OZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:40:44 +0000 Received: from compaq ([62.253.44.57]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with SMTP id <20011225113959.IEPE327.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@compaq> for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:39:59 +0000 Message-ID: <003201c18d38$e969e200$392cfd3e@compaq> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: WellBrook Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:37:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Ko Wellbrook is well known and respected world wide and I'm surprised that you haven't heard of their products before. Have a read of the reviews on the web sight, the ones by John Wilson from Short Wave Magazine (SWM)are especially interesting as he shows spectrum analyser outputs for the loops as opposed to long wires. The latest SWM review which is not yet available on the web site compare the RF Systems LF whip antenna with the Wellbrook LFL1010. The review concludes that the Wellbrook is by far the better antenna at much lower cost! I have a Wellbrook K9AY, an ALA1530, two ALA100s and an LFL1010 so I am a Wellbrook fan! You should get plenty of replies to your question. Merry Xmas Tracey tracey.gardner@ntlworld.com Lincolnshire U.K. >Just came across this website: >http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/products.html >Does anyone have experience with Wellbrook? > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7499 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 09:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 09:06:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5061 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 09:06:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 09:06:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16InVQ-00076k-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:04:16 +0000 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.138] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16InVP-00076f-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:04:16 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p461.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.201.61]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBP93R804006 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:03:27 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112250903.fBP93R804006@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 9:3:36 +0000 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: WellBrook X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All.. Just came across this website: http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/products.html Does anyone have experience with Wellbrook? ***Merry Christmas everyone*** Ko, NL9222.. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16186 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 08:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 08:53:42 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28017 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 08:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 08:53:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16InIY-000738-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 08:50:58 +0000 Received: from mail-7.tiscalinet.it ([195.130.225.153] helo=mail.tiscalinet.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16InIW-000733-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 08:50:57 +0000 Received: from orion.pii.net (62.11.54.212) by mail.tiscalinet.it (5.5.053) id 3C0343CC00B94159 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:50:10 +0100 Received: (from clapo@localhost) by orion.pii.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00242 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:56:17 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:56:16 +0100 (CET) From: "Claudio" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Auguri! Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Tanti Auguri di Buon Natale. Claudio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Claudio Pozzi http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii happy Linux user E-Mail: Claudio Date: 25-Dec-01 Time: 09:55:25 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27988 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 08:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 08:23:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18531 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 08:23:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 08:23:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Imnz-0006ys-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 08:19:23 +0000 Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.4]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Imny-0006yn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 08:19:22 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.16d.63204d7 (4238) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 03:18:30 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <16d.63204d7.29599055@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 03:18:29 EST Subject: Re: LF: SpecLab generates DFCW, QRSS and 7FSK To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In a message dated 12/24/01 9:58:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, MarkusVester@aol.com writes: << I have decided to add an extra space after each 7FSK pair. This does slow down the mode by a third, but it allows easier synchronization for the RX as well as QSK to watch between characters on the TX site, and it gives the PA a rest. >> Thanks, Markus. Based on the sample of 7FSK as posted a couple of days ago, it struck me that making this mode machine-decodable would require (1) knowledge of the absolute timing of the start of the message; (2) a way to convey to the decoder some reasonably precise knowledge of which frequency (which FFT bin) represents the "1" or the "7"; and, (3) reasonable faith that the separations of the seven frequencies as actually transmitted conform pretty closely to the expected values. These three requirements also come into play for visual decoding when the signal is noisy or subject to short-term fading. It is a modulation scheme in which even the human eye-brain system appears susceptible to threshold effects. A "stop bit" such as you have introduced substantially eliminates point (1) above for eye or machine. It will also help with points (2) and (3) for visual decoding, I suspect, but those two points may need to be addressed further for machine decoding. Just speaking speculatively here, it would seem two other factors should be considered before fixing upon a 7FSK "standard." One is that 7 is not a power of 2, and therefore we are losing some potential efficiency in the event this method is ever adapted for machine decoding. An eighth level would let each spot frequency become a symbol representing three bits of a six-bit word. It isn't absolutely necessary if we're only going to copy visually, but some error correction capability could then be built in for later machine use. Second, the coding scheme could be made more efficient. Right now, the code is very much on the order of the A=1 B=2 C=3 technique of youthful schoolyard secret agents. One might legitimately argue that since all characters are represented by two symbols (and now, also a space), there is no payload efficiency to be gained by ordering the relationship between characters and symbol-pairs in any particular way. True for payload. But it is also legitimate to consider the efficiency with respect to visual decoding, which can be improved by letting the most commonly used characters help the viewer establish the maximum span of the FSK and its increments. Just as Morse code is partially optimized by representing the most common English letter (e) with a single dit, the next most common (t) with a single dah, etc., we could make it a little easier on the eye by letting "e" be frequency pair 1-8, "t" be represented by 8-1, "a" by 1-2, "o" by 8-7, "i" by 1-3, "n" by 8-6, and so on. Now, I realize the traditional "etaoin" sequence may not in fact be the most common characters found in proper amateur QSOs. In that case, we would want to assign whichever is the most commonly used character to be our widest span, and let next-most-common characters emphasize the top and bottom frequency extremes for the sake of humans decoding visually. Meantime, the inclusion of a stop bit in the current 7FSK scheme does slow it down somewhat, but it's still faster than 2FSK based on Morse character encoding (and which is itself faster than straight QRS having the same dot length). 73, John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2079 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 02:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 02:58:29 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13373 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 02:58:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 02:58:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Ihkd-0006OT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 02:55:35 +0000 Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.42]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Ihkb-0006OO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 02:55:34 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_gc_dev1.2.) id l.161.62cd02a (3874) for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 21:54:13 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <161.62cd02a.29594454@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 21:54:12 EST Subject: LF: SpecLab generates DFCW, QRSS and 7FSK To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050301010609050305080108" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050301010609050305080108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi SpecLab co-users, Wolf's powerful program has a built-in terminal for digital modes for a SSB TRX. One of them is a Parallel-Multitone Hell modulator, which generates tones from the typefaces of text entered into the terminal. Combined with a font editor (e.g. Softy by D.W.Emmett), this becomes a universal tool to play with visual modulation schemes. The resulting tones are individually phase-coherent and can be soft-shaped to avoid clicks. For narrowband DFCW, I have prepared a font consisting of two lines of dashes and gaps. To use it, you have to copy the .fon file to the Windows\Fonts directory. After starting SpecLab and the digimode terminal, you can choose "DFCW" and enter Size = 1 in the Settings / Select HELL font menu. In Digimode Configuration, you select Parallel MT mode and then set Symbol Rate, TX Center Freq and FSK shift. For example, a symbol rate of 0.05 baud gives 3*20s dashes and 20s intervals. The dash and dot frequencies are related to the settings as f_H = CF+ FS * 4/8 and f_L = CF+ FS * 3/8, e.g. CF = 1422 Hz and FS = 0.8 Hz produces 1422.4 / 1422.3 Hz tones. An output level of 800% will give full scale DAC output, and the Symbol shaping time can be set for smooth edges (e.g. 20%). After you have pressed TX, any text entered will be sent to the audio output. Please don't look for all the special Morse characters, "sk" can be sent by typing # . Normally, the audio input and waterfall is automatically disabled during transmission, but you can reactivate it for duplex mode by clicking on the Sound-In box in the SpecLab Components diagram. To see your own signal as well, you may have to set up an analog loop by enabling Wave input in Windows' recording mixer. The other fonts are for CW/QRSS and the new 7FSK mode. For CW, simply set FS to 0 and CF to the desired audio note. The 7FSK freqs are f7 = CF + FSK * 4/8 ... f3 = CF f2 = CF - FSK * 1/8 f1 = CF - FSK * 2/8, e.g. CF = 2289.85 and CF = 1.2 above 135500 Hz zero beat gives Andy's set of frequencies. I have decided to add an extra space after each 7FSK pair. This does slow down the mode by a third, but it allows easier synchronization for the RX as well as QSK to watch between characters on the TX site, and it gives the PA a rest. Tnx agn to DL4YHF for SpecLab. 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But, after the kind reports es wishes from Laurie and Alberto, how could anything go wrong? Thanks a lot for listening and watching! > Your sigs seem stronger than when I saw you last year. ... in spite of much less power. In February, I had used a 65m balloon-borne vertical, easily radiating 1 Watt unless pushed by a slight breeze. This time, it was my "normal" small LF ant, which has only a 170 pF top load, 11 m above the roof of our two-floor house. In the cold weather, the total resistance goes down from abt 36 to less than 30 Ohms, and my 130 W TX produces 120 mW radiated power (220mW EDRP). - Besides better condx, using DFCW mode may also have helped. Thank you for all ! 73 and best wishes for christmas Markus, DF6NM > Hi If you send me your EMAIL address, I will send you JPEG > of your sigs from last night. Yes please, I'd love to see them ! MarkusVester@aol.com. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2005 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 19:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 19:04:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26357 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 19:04:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 19:04:13 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IaN7-0005bi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:02:49 +0000 Received: from siaag1ab.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.4]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IaN6-0005bd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:02:48 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1ab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id OAA20970 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:01:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:01:09 -0500 From: "boffin1" Subject: LF: Season Greetings To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200112241401_MC3-EB93-D314@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: A very happy Christmas and a prosperous New Year to all. 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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2666 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 18:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 18:09:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29573 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 18:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 18:09:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IZUG-0005VH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:06:08 +0000 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IZUF-0005VC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:06:07 +0000 Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 16IZTQ-0002tF-02; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:05:16 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.227.109.58]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16IZTM-0aeSAaC; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:05:12 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c18ba8$952b6420$969c01d4@g4jnt> Subject: Re: LF: Re: 7fsk g4jnt X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:05:12 +0100 Message-ID: <16IZTM-0aeSAaC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Andrew Talbot schrieb: > Interesting that both pictures of the received signal were decoded using lower > sideband, and many others on this reflector in the past have used LSB for > their plots . Is that a characteristic of am. activity on this band then ? > It seems rather unnatural to me wanting to deliberately invert the frequency > plan ! I know the reason for adopting LSB on the 1.8 / 3.5 / 7Mhz bands was > to avoid clashing with shared users of the bands but..... Hi Andy, I do use LSB because of the big QRM-maker DCF39 (138,38kHz). tks to the constructors I can switch to the LSB in mode CW too. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22316 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 14:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 14:49:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27105 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 14:49:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 14:49:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IWKq-0005BC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:44:12 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IWKp-0005B7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:44:11 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.51.94]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:44:38 -0400 Message-ID: <3C278606.32288A92@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:46:14 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: to DF6NM Hi If you send me your EMAIL address, I will send you JPEG of your sigs from last night. Your sigs seem stronger than when I saw you last year 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8403 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 14:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 14:41:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21462 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 14:41:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 14:41:42 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IWCN-0005A4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:35:27 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IWCM-00059z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:35:26 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.51.94]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:35:49 -0400 Message-ID: <3C2783F4.A608D8BC@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:37:25 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all DF6NM in all night with some big fades. QSB out for good at 0716Z 73 all es merry Christmas will look agn 135.922 60 sec dots VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16878 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 11:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 11:29:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14220 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 11:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 11:29:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ITDz-0004nI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:24:55 +0000 Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.101]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ITDw-0004nD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:24:52 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA476460 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 06:20:42 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss6.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.71]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBOBMHQ86300 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 06:22:18 -0500 Message-ID: <3C270FE3.BD548743@usa.net> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:22:11 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LF Mailing List" Subject: LF: May the peace be with you Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: To all of the readers of this reflector, all my best wishes for a Merry Christmas, and a prosperous New Year 2002, hopefully a step forward in the right direction for a real and durable peace worldwide. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27513 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 05:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 05:43:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2635 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 05:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 05:43:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16INnC-00046h-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 05:36:54 +0000 Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr ([195.170.0.5]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16INnB-00046c-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 05:36:53 +0000 Received: from otenet.gr (myti530-a096.otenet.gr [212.205.251.224]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id fBO5a4729791; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:36:04 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3C26BF13.C1ACAEE6@otenet.gr> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:37:23 +0200 From: "Alex Deligiannis" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,el MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thierry alves" , "rsgb" Subject: LF: Re: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thierry I was off the internet and computing for a week now. I had big problem with w32 virus so I spend more than 8 days to make a new computer and using Netscape -I learn the hard way- In my new computer I have a SoundBlaster Live card and it's a litle insensitive above 20 KHZ but I hope to make some wav files.... Merry Christmas to you and your family, and the same to all on the LF Reflector. Sorry to anyone I send the virus during last weekend. 73 Alex. thierry alves wrote: > This Thierry,I'm going to Portugal. > Good luck for the recording... > Merry Christmas and Happy New Year... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Discutez en ligne avec vos amis, essayez MSN Messenger : > http://messenger.msn.fr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9669 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 02:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 02:41:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25490 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 02:41:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 02:41:03 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IKzz-0003it-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:37:55 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IKzy-0003io-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:37:54 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.112.10]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:37:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3C26DBAA.ECB4D5F7@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:39:23 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 0235Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, DF6NM identified. OM3TW : lots of dashes there weaker and can't positively identify. Will keep looking 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29360 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 23:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 23:10:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26368 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 23:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 23:10:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IHjV-0003F2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:08:41 +0000 Received: from e31.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.129]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IHjT-0003Ex-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:08:40 +0000 Received: from westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.140.22]) by e31.co.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA118444 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:04:43 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss2.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.67]) by westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBNN7UU59872 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:07:31 -0700 Message-ID: <3C2663AE.F7FB1E33@usa.net> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:07:26 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: 136 tonight References: <002501c18bff$bd2192e0$3779883e@g3aqc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie Mayhead wrote: > Very nice signals here tonight from DF6NM using DFCW on 135,922.4/5Hz, 30db > over noise, and OM2TW QRSS on 135.922.(sending TW only) 25db over noise. > Best of luck. 73s Laurie. Same here in Italy. Almost the same reports. No captures this time, I thought they would not add much information. Picture in your mind solid, straight white lines on a blue/black background....:-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1727 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 22:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 22:20:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 22967 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 22:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 22:20:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IGwo-00038o-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:18:22 +0000 Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.172]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IGwn-00038j-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:18:21 +0000 Received: from modem-55.aratar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.121.55] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16IGvz-0004Qs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:17:31 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c18bff$bd2192e0$3779883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 tonight Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:17:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Very nice signals here tonight from DF6NM using DFCW on 135,922.4/5Hz, 30db over noise, and OM2TW QRSS on 135.922.(sending TW only) 25db over noise. Best of luck. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15687 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 19:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 19:22:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25933 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 19:22:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 19:22:05 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IEAY-0002rT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 19:20:22 +0000 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.138] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IEAW-0002rO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 19:20:21 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p1158.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.203.139]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBNJJR803030 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:19:27 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112231919.fBNJJR803030@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 19:19:34 +0000 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G4FTC in QRSS3 X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] X-FoxAttach: E:\Hotdog\Publish\PIX\qrsg4ftc.jpg MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090105020700050603030902" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090105020700050603030902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 12/23/01 4:30:00 PM, you wrote: >Hello, > >Nice signal seen and heard of G4FTC on ca. 135.92 today at 1620 UTC. >See attachment. 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2001 19:11:05 +0000 Received: from host62-7-89-234.btinternet.com ([62.7.89.234] helo=default) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16IE0p-0002pC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 19:10:20 +0000 Message-ID: <000101c18be5$6c67d400$ea59073e@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: DX Cluster spots 22/23rd Dec at GB7DXM Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:52:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, the following culled from the local DX Cluster 137.7 OM2TW 23-Dec-2001 1405Z CQ QRSS 137.0 OM2TW 23-Dec-2001 1403Z cq qrss 137.4 OM2TW 23-Dec-2001 1103Z slow CW 137.1 G6RO 23-Dec-2001 1046Z cq 136.5 OK1DTN 23-Dec-2001 1021Z Ruda,Hradec Kralov.,CQ.. 136.7 F6BWO 23-Dec-2001 1013Z 136.3 F6BWO 23-Dec-2001 1004Z 559 136.6 DK9DX 22-Dec-2001 1339Z vy loud 136.5 G3KEV 22-Dec-2001 1246Z clg EI3CZ 136.5 OK1DTN 22-Dec-2001 1218Z in qso with DL3FDO 135.9 G3AQC 21-Dec-2001 2203Z in DFCW10. fine Sigs (audibl 136.8 ON7ZO 21-Dec-2001 1724Z 136.5 ON6ND 19-Dec-2001 1824Z 539 qso with f6bwo 519 136.6 OK1DTN 18-Dec-2001 2054Z cq cq 136.5 OK1DTN 18-Dec-2001 1921Z CQ CQ strong 136.8 G6RO 17-Dec-2001 1931Z sri correct call cq cq 136.8 G36RO 17-Dec-2001 1930Z 136.5 EIOCF 16-Dec-2001 2203Z cq cq 136.8 G3YXM 16-Dec-2001 1938Z cq cq 136.6 OK1DTN 16-Dec-2001 1510Z cq cq G3NYK de GB7MRS 23-Dec-2001 1423Z > Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15126 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 18:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 18:29:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 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16IDG4-000691-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 19:22:00 +0100 Message-ID: <3C25F890.194F817E@diolog.de> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:30:25 +0100 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: G4FTC in QRSS3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070605080904040909030506" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070605080904040909030506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, Nice signal seen and heard of G4FTC on ca. 135.92 today at 1620 UTC. 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3.33 #2) id 16IB6m-0002Xr-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:04:16 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IB6l-0002Xm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:04:15 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.63.28]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 12:02:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3C2646BB.4016C106@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:03:55 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Rich Saw nil to 0400Z , then forgot to set auto capture . Will try again tonight. 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24931 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 15:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 15:36:48 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4759 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 15:36:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 15:36:47 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IAdz-0002T8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:34:31 +0000 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.138] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16IAdy-0002T3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:34:30 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p0966.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.202.203]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBNFXh813882 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:33:43 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112231533.fBNFXh813882@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:33:49 +0000 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 7fsk g4jnt X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp.wanadoo.nl id fBNFXh813882 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Group.. A bit late but managed to receive the 7FSK transmission from Andy [Have not been able to decode it yet] Images are at: http://home.wanadoo.nl/nl9222/136pics.htm Or direct via: http://home.wanadoo.nl/nl9222/pix/7fsk.gif 73 Ko Versteeg, NL9222 [SWL] [Grid: JO22KE - Lat: 52° 12' 15.0"N Long: 04° 51' 40.5"E] Home: http://home.wanadoo.nl/nl9222/index.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25089 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 11:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 11:57:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 950 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 11:57:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 11:57:40 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16I7D4-00024i-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 11:54:30 +0000 Received: from smtp-1.visp.telinco.net ([212.1.130.1]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16I7D2-00024d-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 11:54:28 +0000 Received: from [212.1.156.150] (helo=g4jnt) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16I781-00050H-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 11:49:19 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c18ba8$952b6420$969c01d4@g4jnt> From: "Andrew Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: 7fsk g4jnt Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 11:54:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Tnx for reports on this test signal, it does seem to penetrate. Interesting that both pictures of the received signal were decoded using lower sideband, and many others on this reflector in the past have used LSB for their plots . Is that a characteristic of am. activity on this band then ? It seems rather unnatural to me wanting to deliberately invert the frequency plan ! I know the reason for adopting LSB on the 1.8 / 3.5 / 7Mhz bands was to avoid clashing with shared users of the bands but..... Anyway, there will not be a transmission over the next few days, I want to sort out the EMC problem with the DDS board control on the high power Tx and why it locks up at random intervals, whereas it hasn't done so in the past. Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 23 December 2001 00:38 Subject: LF: 7fsk g4jnt Hi Andy, the 7fsk is a fine code. once decoded one can read it without the help of a screengrid. I read ur 400W signal. see attachment. the 5W signal could be seen here, but no chance reading it. if some dashes are faded away its vy confusing up to impossible reading the text. tks for the test signals. I do like new methods. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27411 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 09:17:22 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 09:17:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7173 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 09:17:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 09:17:22 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16I4dD-0001ob-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:09:19 +0000 Received: from dargolad.esoterica.pt ([195.22.0.27]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16I4dC-0001oW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:09:18 +0000 Received: from srv18slx.esoterica.pt (srv18slx.esoterica.pt [195.22.0.48]) by dargolad.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBN98XB23681 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:08:33 GMT Received: from slave-6 (por416.esoterica.pt [195.22.18.117]) by srv18slx.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fBN98WU28156 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:08:32 GMT Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011223090959.007d71a0@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Sender: brian@pop3.esoterica.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:09:59 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" Subject: LF: D2T_M7F :-) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Good morning Andy and all, Many thanks for the high power transmission. There is a picture on my web site. Some difficulty in decoding, in the end I converted the jpg to greyscale printed it and drew (draughted?) a grid thereon. The vertical line just happened to pass through the first of each pair conveniently. There is a change of speed and back again in the middle of the picture. Couldn't resist experimenting. A very happy Christmas to all. Brian 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27912 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 00:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 00:35:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4593 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 00:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 00:35:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HwZc-00012A-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 00:33:04 +0000 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HwZa-000125-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 00:33:02 +0000 Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 16HwYm-00013s-01; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 01:32:12 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.227.109.24]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16HwYS-1uNYO0C; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 01:31:52 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc> <5.1.0.14.0.20011217162715.00abb350@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <007101c1873f$8cf461c0$e09a17d2@steve> Subject: LF: 7fsk g4jnt X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050004070307070207040709" Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 01:31:52 +0100 Message-ID: <16HwYS-1uNYO0C@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050004070307070207040709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Andy, the 7fsk is a fine code. once decoded one can read it without the help of a screengrid. I read ur 400W signal. see attachment. the 5W signal could be seen here, but no chance reading it. if some dashes are faded away its vy confusing up to impossible reading the text. tks for the test signals. 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+0000 Received: from jsm (gi64.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.91]) by neptune.imagenisp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id ZJDMBMTX; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:15:34 -0800 Message-ID: <001201c18b3e$8c398e60$5b11f4cc@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c18b36$88b8ecc0$4e11f4cc@jsm> <006001c1a396$79a6f010$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> Subject: LF: Eu tonight? Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:15:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Will there be any big signalsin beacon mode tonight from Eu? Would like to have a look that way. Steve / VE7SL / CN88 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17570 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 23:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 23:11:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 19254 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 23:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 23:11:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HvGm-0000nR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 23:09:32 +0000 Received: from neptune.imagenisp.com ([204.244.138.19]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HvGl-0000nM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 23:09:31 +0000 Received: from jsm (gi64.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.91]) by neptune.imagenisp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id ZJDMBMRZ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:10:41 -0800 Message-ID: <000601c18b3d$dd6f2840$5b11f4cc@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c18b36$88b8ecc0$4e11f4cc@jsm> <006001c1a396$79a6f010$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> Subject: LF: Re: Re: VA3LK Beaconing? Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:10:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Larry...thank you for the reply. It's most upsetting to hear that you are not well, especially at this time of the year. My wishes for a speedy recovery. Best of the season to you and your family as well. Steve / VE7SL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13376 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 22:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 22:49:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 21202 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 22:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 22:49:17 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Huvo-0000jf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 22:47:52 +0000 Received: from tomts10.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.54] helo=tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Huvn-0000jY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 22:47:51 +0000 Received: from server1 ([216.209.110.20]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20011222224631.YNXR24174.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1> for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:46:31 -0500 Message-ID: <006001c1a396$79a6f010$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> From: "Larry Kayser" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c18b36$88b8ecc0$4e11f4cc@jsm> Subject: LF: Re: VA3LK Beaconing? Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:41:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Steve: > Does anyone know if Larry is still in the nightly beacon mode? No, I am not. I had an ice storm take down the antenna before the 15th and I was in a car accident a week + ago and my back (and everything else that hurts) is not up to going up 250 ft for a while. I do not know if I will be back on this winter the wire is getting frozen into the ground now, not sure what comes next but nothing happens here until I don't hurt anymore hi. Merry Christmas to you and your family, and the same to all on the LF Reflector. Larry VA3LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17098 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 22:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 22:19:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 16426 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 22:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 22:19:15 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HuS0-0000fi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 22:17:04 +0000 Received: from neptune.imagenisp.com ([204.244.138.19]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HuRz-0000fd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 22:17:03 +0000 Received: from jsm (gi51.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.78]) by neptune.imagenisp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id ZJDMBL56; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:18:12 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c18b36$88b8ecc0$4e11f4cc@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: LF: VA3LK Beaconing? Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:18:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
Does anyone know if Larry is still in the nightly beacon mode?
 
Steve / VE7SL
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8094 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 19:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 19:19:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23133 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 19:19:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 19:19:13 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HreB-0000Lc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:17:27 +0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Hre9-0000LW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:17:25 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.a8.3dc0cce (4242) for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:16:00 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:16:00 EST Subject: Re: LF: High Power 7FSK transmission To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Andy,
Solid copy here, despite heavy local noise. Using a small ferrite rod antenna indoors.
I have not 'decoded' the message yet, the transmission seems to have stopped near 18:50 UTC, or my neighbour turned the TV on...

Will try again later. Thanks for the high power test.

73  Wolf From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1548 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 18:57:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 18:57:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5433 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 18:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 18:57:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HrI6-0000HI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:54:38 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HrI5-0000HD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:54:37 +0000 Received: from ldsas19-83-134-58.cw-visp.com ([212.137.134.58] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16Hr75-0005w0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:43:16 +0000 Message-ID: <3C24D6A1.8B8659DE@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:53:21 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: JKV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I can read the G3JKV 1 watt beacon aurally and see it on visual but I cannot see a trace of his 7 tone shift 5W signal above 137 khz. I can hear and see his 7 tone shift signal with his 400 watts. It would appear to me at this distance and beyond that the simple cw keyed signal has more potential for low power(qrp) than any other proposed system suggested. The G3AQC signal on FSK (not DFSK as described, the commercial designation for DFSK/DFS is a signal with 4 frequency limits and not 2, amateur confusion again. Perhaps most radio amateurs have never heard of DFS. Considering the bandwith constraints on both 73 and 136 khz the most efficient method is normal CW whether it be qrs or normal speed where applicable. John in VE1 has pointed out the problems with the G3AQC fsk signal swamping the LF band to the detriment of others using adjacent frequencies. I also watched G3AQC last night and anyone else using an adjacent frequency would have been wiped out because of the type of signal transmitted by this station. My suggestion as previously stated it to learn and operate conventional CW and know your appropriate Q codes and use QRS or normal speed as appropriate. Piccolo or a cut down version is not appropriate for the bandwidth available on the LF bands. I did predict a big opening last night on 136 khz, CFH was extremely strong, and a normal hand sent/received cw QSO was a possibility, an oppertunity missed. 73 De G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12714 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 17:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 17:40:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 19702 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 17:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 17:40:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HpzH-000082-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:31:07 +0000 Received: from smtp-1.visp.telinco.net ([212.1.130.1]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HpzG-00007x-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:31:06 +0000 Received: from [212.1.156.128] (helo=g4jnt) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16HpuN-0000gF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:26:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000101c18b0e$72c37660$809c01d4@g4jnt> From: "Andrew Talbot" To: "LF Group" Subject: LF: 7FSK Tests, problem Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:30:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: PROBLEM ! I have a problem with the high power Tx which means the test message sent with this mode has to be restarted every so often. The DDS module integral to my Tx locks up sometimes when it is being sent a frequency update. Since this never happened during the low power tests yesterday and the day before, it may be an EMC problem. For now I'll just restart the transmission every time I see it has stopped, bu tanyone trying to decode may get some funny results. As before, I'll maintain the letters starting on an even minute. Interestingly, SMT Hell transmissions last year never gave a problem and the driver routines are the same as that so I'm not sure what has changed. I took the Tx to Windsor for the talk at the LF Forum, and removed the covers so it is possible that disturbed some screening or wires. A job for tomorrow. Andy G4JNT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21159 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 15:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 15:40:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 3616 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 15:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 15:40:44 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HoEg-0008R2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:38:54 +0000 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.174]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HoEf-0008Qx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:38:53 +0000 Received: from modem-110.dernhelm.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.154.110] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16HoDu-0004Mc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:38:06 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c18afe$c61e8620$6e9a883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 Last night. tests Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:38:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thanks for the many reports including the "ART" from Uwe. I fully agree with John re mixed mode/dot rates. I think I have proved the point that 10sec dot DFCW will work on 136 even though cdx. may not be perfect. *I was running about 850mW ERP last night. I will stay off now and let you all look for Rich. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24037 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 15:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 15:08:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 14217 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 15:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 15:08:46 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Hnk4-0008Mx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:07:16 +0000 Received: from smtp-1.visp.telinco.net ([212.1.130.1]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Hnk3-0008Ms-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:07:15 +0000 Received: from [212.1.156.103] (helo=g4jnt) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16Hnf9-0000D2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:02:11 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c18afa$593e5980$679c01d4@g4jnt> From: "Andrew Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: High Power 7FSK transmission Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:06:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Just started the 7FSK test transmission at 400 W. Frequency is 137790.000 and tone spacing has been reduced to 0.15Hz at Laurie's suggestion. The transmission was started on the dot of 1500.00z so characters will commence on the even minute - provided the timer interrupt on my PC is accurate. Longer message this time ! Use Argo at 60s dot setting centred on above frequency to resolve. I may increase power later if the PA temperature stays at a safe figure. Andy G4JNT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1340 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 14:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 14:54:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22765 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 14:54:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 14:54:16 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HnVw-0008J8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:52:40 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HnVv-0008J3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:52:39 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.9.62]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:11:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3C24DB2D.53C3300@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:12:45 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all I have continuous jpeg from Laurie last night. Most of the time he was very strong , but he faded out completely throughout the night. I am sending them all to G3NYK They were mostly 60second dots with 1or 2 where I switched to 10 sec dots to prove it was Laurie. Some observations: 1 The K index was a 4 just prior to tests 2It went down during night to 2 3 There was widespread aurora on 50 es 144 mHz in Eu early in evening . None here 4 Laurie's signals were so strong they made a mess of the band. 10 second dot es dfcw is not compatible with close freq spacing and 60 sec dots. The splatter is obvious. I fear 7 freq QRSS would be even worse. These bands are narrow. If we are going to make the band useable to the maximum # of people , we need a modulation method with the smallest band width requirement. DFCW can probably be improved by slowing down the rise and fall times of the RF. 5 It's hard to look for 60 sec es 10 dot stations at same time From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7751 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 14:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 14:40:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26290 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 14:40:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 14:40:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HnHF-0008GP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:37:29 +0000 Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de ([195.20.224.149]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HnHC-0008GK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:37:26 +0000 Received: from [195.20.224.204] (helo=mrvdom00.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16HnGT-0000rV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:36:41 +0100 Received: from pd9014a71.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.1.74.113] helo=diolog.de) by mrvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16HnGQ-0004YZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:36:38 +0100 Message-ID: <3C2473E5.9940B345@diolog.de> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:52:05 +0100 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: G3AQC in DFCW Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090902070304020703010003" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090902070304020703010003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I also saw G3AQC's signal very well (see attachment). 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Subject: RE: LF: 136kHz tests Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050701060307080106080001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 21-Dec-01 Laurie Mayhead wrote: > Hi All, > I am proposing to transmit on 136 tonight. I will be using 10sec. DFCW just > below my old T/A frequency. 135.921 dashes and 135.920.25 dots. This should Hi Laurie, strong signal here in Milano, 20 dB over the noise, received with my direct convertion receiver and tuned loop, 1.5 m side, on my balcony, many Christmas tree lights doing QRM. 73 de Claudio, ik2pii ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Claudio Pozzi http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii happy Linux user E-Mail: Claudio Date: 22-Dec-01 Time: 14:52:24 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------050701060307080106080001 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="g3aqc-~1.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="g3aqc-~1.jpg" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEBLAEsAAD/2wBDAAgGBgcGBQgHBwcJCQgKDBQNDAsLDBkSEw8UHRof Hh0aHBwgJC4nICIsIxwcKDcpLDAxNDQ0Hyc5PTgyPC4zNDL/2wBDAQkJCQwLDBgNDRgyIRwh MjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjL/wAAR CAA4AeoDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAA 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unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 13:26:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Hm5Q-00084U-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:21:12 +0000 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Hm5P-00084P-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:21:11 +0000 Received: from fwd10.sul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 16Hm4g-00080h-09; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:20:26 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.157.30.204]) by fwd10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16Hm4Y-0hqCRtC; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:20:18 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <51.15fc9136.294e0dc4@aol.com> Subject: Re: LF: Deutschlandfunk splatter is back X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:20:18 +0100 Message-ID: <16Hm4Y-0hqCRtC@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: MarkusVester@aol.com schrieb: > Hi group, > > it seems that the old problem of spurious emissions on 153 kHz from Donebach > has returned this morning. At the moment, the annoying wideband-FM swish and > hiss is about 21 dBuV/m, 136km from the TX (25 mW EMRP). It is distributed > over a few kHz, depending on the modulation content, and identified best in > SSB mode. On average, my noise level is raised by 10 ... 15 dB. > > These emission had suddenly increased on June 10th 2001 and were especially > strong on warm summer afternoons. After a couple of phone conversations with > an engineer at the TX site, it became clear that the Dynamic-AM modulation > controller of one of their two 250kW transmitters showed a > temperature-dependent fault. The problem could be solved on August 16th, when > the spurii were reduced to an insignificant level. Until today :-(. > > Again, I would appreciate observations of others in south-west and south > Germany. For comparison, I can send a short .wav file directly to anyone > interested. > > Regards > de Markus, DF6NM (JN59NK) > Hallo Markus, hier in jo43sv (nördlich von Hamburg) ist mir der Deutschlandfunk heute erstmalig ab etwa 1800MEZ mit Splatter (Blecheimermodulation) so richtig unangenehm aufgefallen auf 137kHz. Das selbstgebaute Vorfilter (nach einem Entwurf von DJ2EY gefertigt)ist eingeschaltet. Empfang unter- oder oberhalb des 137kHz-Bandes bei eingeschaltetem Filter gleich null. Hast Du schon mit dem Betriebsing in Donebach gesprochen? lass es mich bitte wissen. vy 73 Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6423 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 13:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 13:25:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13727 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 13:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 13:25:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Hm5R-00084a-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:21:13 +0000 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Hm5P-00084O-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:21:11 +0000 Received: from fwd10.sul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 16Hm4f-00080h-02; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:20:25 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.157.30.204]) by fwd10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16Hm4O-0hqCRsC; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:20:08 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002301c18a46$ba9ed600$3866883e@g3aqc> Subject: LF: G3AQC art X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090306030200070600080804" Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:20:08 +0100 Message-ID: <16Hm4O-0hqCRsC@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090306030200070600080804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 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--------------090306030200070600080804-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22677 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 10:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 10:30:47 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19685 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 10:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 10:30:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HjNL-0007k0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:27:31 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HjNK-0007jv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:27:30 +0000 Received: from ldsas11-75-126-75.cw-visp.com ([212.137.126.75] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16HjCL-0004hf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:16:10 +0000 Message-ID: <3C245F50.14C040D2@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:24:16 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: SNOW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: The QTH is buried in snow this morning, about 4 inches so far and it does not seem to effect the antenna system, no changes in resonance, exactly the same before the snow arrived. No sign of CFH this morning, looks like it has been switched off again. Merry Xmas to all LF operators and hope Santa brings you even bigger and better Amplifiers, or even better a Big Antenna. G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11673 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 10:17:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 10:17:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14515 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 10:17:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 10:17:55 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HjCA-0007ho-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:15:58 +0000 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.163]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HjC9-0007hj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:15:57 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.16.176df8eb (16782) for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 05:15:04 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <16.176df8eb.2955b727@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 05:15:03 EST Subject: Re: LF: cfh To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit The 2FSK-Signal centered on 137 kHz with 75 Hz shift also very strong in DL yesterday evening. It is really FSK modulated, not PSK, as can be seen on a very fast scrolling waterfall display.

But no copy on Andy's transmission (no, I won't say "QRM" and "QRN" again :-)

Btw the WX here is lousy, many people got trapped in their cars on the highway for 18 hours(!) after heavy snow.

73 Wolf DL4YHF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16805 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 09:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 09:28:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 21089 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 09:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 09:28:45 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HiPv-0007al-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 09:26:07 +0000 Received: from imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.181]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HiPu-0007ag-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 09:26:06 +0000 Received: from modem-119.anarrima.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.107.119] helo=g3aqc) by imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16HiPA-00080F-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 09:25:20 +0000 Message-ID: <002b01c18aca$b189a7a0$776b883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. 7FSK Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 09:25:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I saw Andys signals last night and decoded them successfully once I had realised that the best way to do it, is as the dots emerge from the right hand side of the screen. Trying to decode a screen full is difficult but a moveable vertical cursor would help. Perhaps it would be better to close the dots up even more say 0.2Hz or even 0.1Hz ,it would be easier to establish a vert line. Actually I found it just as easy to read 7FSK as ordinary QRSS. So congrats to Rik and Andy for an interesting new mode. 73s Laurie From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6163 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 07:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 07:53:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8259 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 07:53:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 07:53:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Hgro-0007P9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 07:46:48 +0000 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.136] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Hgrm-0007P4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 07:46:46 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p1183.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.203.164]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBM7jmV02992 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 08:45:48 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112220745.fBM7jmV02992@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 7:45:53 +0000 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 136kHz tests X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] X-FoxAttach: C:\My Documents\Morning.gif, C:\My Documents\Night.gif MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000500070202090803090602" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000500070202090803090602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 12/21/01 5:40:00 PM, you wrote: >Hi All, >I am proposing to transmit on 136 tonight. I will be using 10sec. DFCW just >below my old T/A frequency. 135.921 dashes and 135.920.25 dots. This should >leave plenty of room for Rich OM2TW who is using 135.922.Hopefully my >transmission will show up on 60dot Argo but of course it will be much better >on the 10sec. mode. >I am interested in seeing wether the propagation will support >3sec/10sec QRS and DFCW now, compared to earlier this year. >Reports welcome 73s Laurie. Laurie.. 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rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 00:24:37 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HZxs-0006Yu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 00:24:36 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:23:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3C23D299.5E90800D@att.net> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 00:23:53 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: G3AQC on 135.920 References: <3C23BBF0.B2A01C3D@usa.net> <001001c18a7a$8448eee0$0300a8c0@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I think I saw a few dots around 2330. I have a loran line very close to 921 so no dashes seen. Dex > John Andrews wrote: > > I had Laurie briefly around 2300 -- unfortunately, I had left Argo set > for 20 second dots, so it's a little choppy: > > > > I switched to 10 second dots right after that, but the signal has > since disappeared. > > John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16033 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 23:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 23:57:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 199 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 23:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 23:57:00 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HZTb-0006PE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:53:19 +0000 Received: from dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.14] helo=dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HZTZ-0006P9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:53:17 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 11018457 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:58:51 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c18a7a$8448eee0$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C23BBF0.B2A01C3D@usa.net> Subject: LF: Re: G3AQC on 135.920 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:52:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070105020709060100020004" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070105020709060100020004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I had Laurie briefly around 2300 -- unfortunately, I had left Argo set for 20 second dots, so it's a little choppy:
 
 
I switched to 10 second dots right after that, but the signal has since disappeared.
 
John Andrews, W1TAG
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from e31.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.129]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HYRE-0006Fk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 22:46:48 +0000 Received: from westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.140.22]) by e31.co.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA262992 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:42:59 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss4.pok.socks.ibm.com [9.14.3.69]) by westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBLMjco71664 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:45:39 -0700 Message-ID: <3C23BBF0.B2A01C3D@usa.net> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:47:12 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: G3AQC on 135.920 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060401050905020204020804" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060401050905020204020804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good copy of Laurie in DFCW at 135.920 kHz (25 - 30dB S/N)

No traces of OM2TW, nor of G4JNT at 137.790 (but a few uW ERP aren't enough
to reach Italy from Andy's QTH).

73  Alberto  I2PHD
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unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 22:44:29 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HYMB-0006Eq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 22:41:35 +0000 Received: from mta4-svc.virgin.net ([62.253.164.44]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HYMA-0006El-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 22:41:34 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.132.135]) by mta4-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20011221224049.ICXZ299.mta4-svc.virgin.net@ian> for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 22:40:49 +0000 Message-ID: <007f01c18a70$7da7be40$8784fc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73KHZ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 22:39:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: HI all and seasons greetings, what a wonderful time these last weeks have been. Despite my best endeavours, due to a concatenation of minor troubles it has proved impossible to fulfil my promise that GI would be active before the end of 2001. However I can at last see a light at the end of the tunnel and as long as that light doesn't turn out to be another train coming the other way I should be able to get QRV before the season goes completely. Being shackless for many weeks more than reckoned has proved to be the final straw. As and when things get together I'll keep you all posted. I find the recent successes in extending LFDX very exciting indeed and bitterly regret not being able to add my three ha'pence worth (pace to Andy and those other metric maniacs who don't know that phrase) to the proceedings. 73 de, Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28079 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 20:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 20:06:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 3737 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 20:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 20:06:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HVtT-0005rG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:03:47 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HVtS-0005r9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:03:46 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.11.208]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:03:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3C23DC4C.70C60D62@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:05:16 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 136kHz tests References: <002301c18a46$ba9ed600$3866883e@g3aqc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: hi Laurie I will be looking for you es Rich 73 de john VE1ZJ Laurie Mayhead wrote: > Hi All, > I am proposing to transmit on 136 tonight. I will be using 10sec. DFCW just > below my old T/A frequency. 135.921 dashes and 135.920.25 dots. This should > leave plenty of room for Rich OM2TW who is using 135.922.Hopefully my > transmission will show up on 60dot Argo but of course it will be much better > on the 10sec. mode. > I am interested in seeing wether the propagation will support > 3sec/10sec QRS and DFCW now, compared to earlier this year. > Reports welcome 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9188 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 20:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 20:04:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12544 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 20:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 20:04:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HVr2-0005qz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:01:16 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HVr1-0005qr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:01:15 +0000 Received: from ldsas14-78-129-173.cw-visp.com ([212.137.129.173] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16HVg0-0007ci-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:49:53 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2394D5.BDA66CA1@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:00:21 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: dx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Possibly a good night for dx. CFH booming in at present on 137 khz. 1950 utc. For those that cannot sleep to night could be your chance for the big time. G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27285 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 19:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 19:48:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 24568 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 19:48:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 19:48:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HVcD-0005mR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:45:57 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HVcB-0005mM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:45:56 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp167.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.167]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA21870 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 06:45:08 +1100 Message-ID: <009201c18a58$bb607320$a79a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <195.af5e4.29539b76@aol.com> Subject: LF: Re: Re^n: long haul QSO's .. >> programming Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 06:43:46 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Wolf and Alberto, Thanks for the info on port driving under Win9x. > >If you only need TWO output lines at the COM port (RTS and DTR), there is a way to control these lines via the Windoze API. One could use one line as clock, >the other as a data line to drive a simple shift register. The shift clock can be the leading clock edge, and the output strobe can be the falling edge with a logic "1" >on the data line (thinking of I2C-bus). > I thought there was. I will try and dig it out as it would be a way of driving up to 4 tone control lines for those not into soundcard interfacing. Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26959 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 19:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 19:02:23 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29514 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 19:02:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 19:02:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HUrh-0005eA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:57:53 +0000 Received: from [204.202.140.199] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HUrg-0005e5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:57:52 +0000 Received: from gomailjtp05 ([10.212.0.165]) by mta07.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0GOP00LOHIQGWR@mta07.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:44:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:44:47 -0800 (PST) From: "John Sexton" Subject: LF: Re: 7FSK To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <4871572.1008960287232.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Andy, This game is too easy. Also would be better if the message were a bit more festive. Couple of drawbacks: 1) No word framing, so can be 180 degrees out of sync. 2) Not very robust to knockouts, since codes not arranged to give optimum chance of recovery. Nevertheless great fun. Won't say what the message is so that others can enjoy the challenge too. Now we need one of the QRO guys to start sending automatically overnight so that the W/VE enthusiasts can try to detect it. 73, John, G4CNN and a Merry Christmas to one and all. ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29057 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 17:47:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 17:47:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 17663 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 17:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 17:47:53 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HTfl-0005SO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:41:29 +0000 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.23]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HTfk-0005SJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:41:28 +0000 Received: from modem-56.almaren.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.102.56] helo=g3aqc) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16HTf1-0007N0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:40:43 +0000 Message-ID: <002301c18a46$ba9ed600$3866883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136kHz tests Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:40:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, I am proposing to transmit on 136 tonight. I will be using 10sec. DFCW just below my old T/A frequency. 135.921 dashes and 135.920.25 dots. This should leave plenty of room for Rich OM2TW who is using 135.922.Hopefully my transmission will show up on 60dot Argo but of course it will be much better on the 10sec. mode. I am interested in seeing wether the propagation will support 3sec/10sec QRS and DFCW now, compared to earlier this year. Reports welcome 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2881 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 16:43:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 16:43:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 29922 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 16:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 16:43:23 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HSit-0005I8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:40:39 +0000 Received: from smtp-1.visp.telinco.net ([212.1.130.1]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HSis-0005I3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:40:38 +0000 Received: from [212.1.136.225] (helo=g4jnt) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16HSe4-0005w9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:35:40 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c18a3e$3978ad60$e18801d4@g4jnt> From: "Andrew Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Re: Multi Tone signalling / Long haul QSO's Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:40:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: OK, you're probably right, but as I've practically never operated CW in my life outside of microwaves, and only occasionally on SSB (then mostly just in the occasional VHF contest), the use of Q codes doesn't come naturally :-( Anyway, the transmission has been running since 1500z and will go on until I go to bed at 2300z or even later. It is running about 5 W out now, and I'll use the high power Tx tomorrow. Will post the times on this reflector as I'm not sure of tomorrow's programme of activity domestic wise ! Andy G4JNT The point, a feeble one, admittedly, is, at least for me, to try to not forget altogether >that Q code learnt the hard way when I was daily active in CW (more than 20 years >ago From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4178 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 16:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 16:38:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13072 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 16:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 16:38:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HSdp-0005GQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:35:25 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HSdo-0005GK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:35:24 +0000 Received: from ldsas17-81-132-54.cw-visp.com ([212.137.132.54] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16HSSp-00077a-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:24:03 +0000 Message-ID: <3C236478.1376720A@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:34:00 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: cfh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This morning around 0900 utc CFH was 15 db sig over noise here with a shift of 75 hz. No baud speed measurements. When I checked later at 1100 utc the sig had gone. I suppose this was CFH. G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24358 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 14:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 14:46:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 3598 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 14:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 14:46:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HQqz-0004yt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 14:40:53 +0000 Received: from e2.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.102]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HQqy-0004yo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 14:40:52 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e2.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA189268 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:36:39 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss5.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.70]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBLEcDR276344 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:38:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3C234952.2AB026AC@usa.net> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:38:10 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Multi Tone signalling / Long haul QSO's References: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C67B@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Talbot Andrew wrote: > I guess QTR means frequency, have never seen the point of using Q codes in > normal text :-( > No, QTR means time, I was asking when you will start and stop your transmissions. The point, a feeble one, admittedly, is, at least for me, to try to not forget altogether that Q code learnt the hard way when I was daily active in CW (more than 20 years ago...) 73 Alberto I2PHD . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20079 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 12:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 12:54:40 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 12094 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 12:54:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 12:54:33 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HP4y-0004fM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:47:12 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HP4w-0004fF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:47:11 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id MAA05335; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:55:33 GMT Received: (qmail 16820 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 13:36:22 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 13:36:22 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id NAA19583; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:07:58 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma019571; Fri, 21 Dec 01 13:07:33 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:51:29 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:45:55 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C67B@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Re: Multi Tone signalling / Long hau l QSO's Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:45:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I will keep with the 5 watt transmission this evening, but may go to high power on Saturday afternoon or evening. Frequency in all cases will be 137790.00 I guess QTR means frequency, have never seen the point of using Q codes in normal text :-( Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: Alberto di Bene [mailto:dibene@usa.net] Sent: 21 December 2001 12:13 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Multi Tone signalling / Long haul QSO's Andrew Talbot wrote: > The S/W worked first time I connected it to the DDS source, and there is now a > 5 Watt test transmission going out on 137790.00 Hz which will continue the > rest of this evening. Andy, are you planning to transmit QRO this evening (Friday) and tomorrow ? If so, which QTR ? Thanks. 73 Alberto I2PHD -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15464 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 12:52:39 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 12:52:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10505 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 12:52:33 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 12:52:33 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HOzz-0004dR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:42:03 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HOzx-0004dL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:42:02 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBLCfCt09793 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:41:12 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA04490 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:41:04 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:41:01 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C10C@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" Subject: LF: X-mas... Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:40:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: A Merry Christmas and Happy New Year 2002 to all LF-ers... ps. I'm out of office until 2.1.2002. I'll continue in the T/A tests. If you want, contact me on mailto:om2tw@nextra.sk Best regards... 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13907 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 12:39:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 12:39:58 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 112 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 12:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 12:39:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HOrO-0004c3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:33:10 +0000 Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com ([32.97.136.229] helo=outside) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HOrN-0004bx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:33:09 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by outside (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA138242 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:28:44 -0600 Received: from usa.net (ss4.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.69]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBLCU4R212060 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:30:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3C232B49.24253C5A@usa.net> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:30:01 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re^n: long haul QSO's .. >> programming References: <195.af5e4.29539b76@aol.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: DL4YHF@aol.com wrote:

[...]
IMO, the serial port will exist a bit longer than the "LPT" port, and if not, there are a couple of USB->"COM" interface chips available which do not require advanced programming because they look like ordinary "COM" ports to an application. Or, as suggested earlier, use a PIC16F628 which has a nice UART and (in a PIC programmer's world) a large RAM and code memory. You can even program PICs in "C" these days as I saw on SM6LKM's page.
 
Wolf,
   yes, if I recall correctly, the WinIO utility did work only with the home versions of Windows
(95, 98, 98SE, ME), not with the 32-bit versions.

About the ports, maybe the best solution for those who plan to write Windows code to support
new weaksignal modes is to isolate the last layer of the actual interfacing with the port to a well
defined module, with a clearly defined interface with the rest of the program, such that it will be
possible to substitute the parallel version for the serial one, and viceversa. In this way everybody
will be happy.

73  Alberto  I2PHD
  From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28656 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 12:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 12:27:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18116 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 12:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 12:27:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HOkM-0004Z3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:25:54 +0000 Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com ([32.97.136.229] helo=outside) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HOkK-0004Yx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:25:53 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by outside (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA94948 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:20:49 -0600 Received: from usa.net (ss4.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.69]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBLCLYR279590 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:21:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3C23294B.7ED6B0A3@usa.net> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:21:31 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: long haul QSO's References: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc><5.1.0.14.0.20011217162715.00abb350@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3.0.1.16.20011218145846.2b378612@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007001c18807$c3f5d0a0$fb9a17d2@steve> <3C2083F3.E716ECC@usa.net> <01c301c1898b$23bc7fa0$f39a17d2@steve> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Steve Olney wrote: > Alberto, > > Don't we still have the problem with Win95/98 very helpfully changing the > port output not-so-periodically if you have a printer driver assigned to the > port. I think, from memory, you need a VXD so that your program > "captures" the port. There was some program/component called something > like "TVich32" kicking around a while ago for this. > [...] Steve, yes, to properly drive a peripheral from inside your code with the true 32-bit Windows (NT, 2000, XP) you need a VxD, but, as I said in a previous message, there are around freeware or shareware DLLs that save you the time and the headache of writing your own VxD (the admission task for the hell...). You cand find them for the most popular programming environment, Delphi, C++Builder, etc. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7648 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 12:22:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 12:22:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15776 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 12:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 12:22:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HOcD-0004Wt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:17:29 +0000 Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.101]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HOcB-0004Wo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:17:27 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA136060 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:13:13 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss4.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.69]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBLCCwR214402 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:12:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3C232747.D91393E8@usa.net> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:12:55 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Multi Tone signalling / Long haul QSO's References: <002301c1897c$b0ef3020$0b8701d4@g4jnt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Andrew Talbot wrote: > The S/W worked first time I connected it to the DDS source, and there is now a > 5 Watt test transmission going out on 137790.00 Hz which will continue the > rest of this evening. Andy, are you planning to transmit QRO this evening (Friday) and tomorrow ? If so, which QTR ? Thanks. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25130 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 12:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 12:01:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24346 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 12:01:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 12:01:39 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HOHD-0004Ql-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:55:47 +0000 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.136] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HOHC-0004Qd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:55:46 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p1174.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.203.155]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBLBswV19787 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:54:58 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112211154.fBLBswV19787@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:55:3 +0000 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: OM2TW 135.922 X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Rich.. Received ur signal last night 01:13z -50.3dB peaks to not visible from Qsb Spectran showed your frequency as 135922.41Khz 73 de Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25039 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 12:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 12:01:37 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24321 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 12:01:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 12:01:36 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HOHE-0004Qr-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:55:48 +0000 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.136] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HOHD-0004Qg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:55:47 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p1174.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.203.155]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBLBt0V19821 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:55:00 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112211155.fBLBt0V19821@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:55:4 +0000 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Season Greetings X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: To all on the list A merry christmas and a Happy New year 2002. Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19772 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 11:35:38 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 11:35:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2535 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 11:35:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 11:35:32 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HNqs-0004M3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:28:34 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HNqq-0004Ly-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:28:32 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16HNq7-0001dw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:27:47 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16HNq7-0000gV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:27:47 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011221110135.00ab16a8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:22:10 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: G4JNT's sigs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Andy, LF group, Your beacon signal was "O" copy here last night, and the message was decoded without difficulty. I am currently putting together a "7FSK" generator here based on a VCXO to drive the external reference input of my synthesiser - something to do over Xmas! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25858 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 09:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 09:13:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1521 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 09:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 09:13:29 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HLh2-00040x-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:10:16 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HLh1-00040s-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:10:15 +0000 Received: from ldsas17-81-132-41.cw-visp.com ([212.137.132.41] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16HLW0-0006xK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:58:53 +0000 Message-ID: <3C22FB8D.2083F56E@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:06:21 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: CFH/137 KHZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: It looks like CFH is back on 137 khz this morning. G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22919 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 08:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 08:42:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 12113 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 08:42:21 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 08:42:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HL6y-0003ua-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:33:00 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HL6w-0003uS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:32:59 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id IAA16253; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:41:16 GMT Received: (qmail 4532 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 09:22:06 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 09:22:06 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id IAA04054; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:53:43 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma004036; Fri, 21 Dec 01 08:53:23 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:37:15 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:31:40 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C673@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 7FSK tests Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:31:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

It will be going again this evening, hopefully starting quite early.  The message will be a bit longer this time and I will also close up the tone spacing a bit.  0.5Hz spacing, when used with Argo on 60s dots, used up the entire top to bottom span frequency which is a bit unnecessary, so this time will go for 0.3Hz spacing, again with 60s dots.
 
Andy  G4JNT
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Sent: 20 December 2001 19:27
To: LF Group
Subject: LF: Andy's test
Andy.
Message decoded OK. "O" copy. I won't publish it and spoil the contest..
I think I need a graticule to stick over the monitor!



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 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22053 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 08:26:26 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 08:26:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 3061 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 08:26:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 08:26:20 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HKsu-0003sd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:18:28 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HKsq-0003sX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:18:25 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBL8HZt24717 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:17:35 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA10546 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:17:26 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:17:23 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C10B@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Re: DDS calibration... Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:17:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Johan and all LF-ers... It's working fine. I calibrated my DDS with the reference frequency of DCF39 on 138.830 and it looks good. On Albertos (I2PHD) spectrogram is my frequency exact on 135.922 kHz. Just received an E-mail from CT1DRP, he detected a short sequence unfortunately not readable easily but on the frequency. So, thanks all for the help. I'll continue in my test. Best regards... 73 de Rich OM2TW -----Original Message----- From: Johan Bodin [mailto:sm6lkm.jbeab@swipnet.se] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 5:28 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: DDS calibration... Rich, >It's possible to save this calibration in EEPROM ? >Anybody knows how to do it ? Yes, I wrote the firmware... 1. If the CAL switch is held down at power-on, the default calibration value (corresponding to 25.0000... MHz clock) is loaded into EEPROM and the display will show "CAL=Default" for a few seconds. 2. If the CAL switch is pressed temporarily during operation, the software enters calibration mode and the calibration constant can be changed with the VFO knob. Just press the CAL switch again to store the new calibration in EEPROM and resume normal operation. If you see "CAL=Default" on the display every time you start the DDS, there is a problem with the CAL switch. The CAL switch should be a normally open momentary pushbutton that connects PIC pin 11 (RB5) to ground via a 470-820 ohm resistor. 73 de Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12924 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 22:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 22:50:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26445 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 22:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 22:50:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HByK-0002en-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:47:28 +0000 Received: from e31.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.129]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HByG-0002eh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:47:24 +0000 Received: from westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.140.22]) by e31.co.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA49364 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:42:34 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss2.pok.socks.ibm.com [9.14.3.67]) by westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBKMjHJ170158 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:45:18 -0700 Message-ID: <3C226A5A.78B47E3@usa.net> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 23:46:50 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 135.922 References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C108@btss103a.swh.sk> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020109030908040302040304" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020109030908040302040304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gasparik Richard wrote:
Hi Paul...

        I'll start at 2100Z and I'll QRT at 0600Z. I'll transmitt everyday
until 26.12.2001 on 135.922kHz QRSS60.

73 de Rich OM2TW

Rich,
    very strong copy of your signal just a few minutes ago.
More than 30 dB S/N. And the QRG was right on the spot.
Here is a clip :

73  Alberto  I2PHD
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--------------020109030908040302040304-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9331 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 20:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 20:49:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 22842 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 20:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 20:49:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HA4w-0002Fs-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:46:10 +0000 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HA4v-0002Fn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:46:09 +0000 Received: from host217-35-44-187.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.44.187] helo=dellboy) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16HA4C-0004we-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:45:24 +0000 Message-ID: <005e01c18997$3bfeb5e0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Subject: LF: Andy's test Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:27:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Andy.

Message decoded OK. "O" copy. I won't publish it and spoil the contest..

I think I need a graticule to stick over the monitor!

Dave 'YXM.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Talbot" <G4JNT@thersgb.net>
To: "LF Group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 5:34 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Multi Tone signalling / Long haul QSO's


> Update to previous message.
>
> The S/W worked first time I connected it to the DDS source, and there is
now a
> 5 Watt test transmission going out on 137790.00 Hz which will continue the
> rest of this evening.
> Use Argo on 60s dot interval centred on this frequency.   To decode, refer
to
> My and RIk's previous postings
>
> Andy  G4JNT
>
>
>
>
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1977 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 20:18:56 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 20:18:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6488 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 20:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 20:18:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H9bV-00023l-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:15:45 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H9bU-00023g-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:15:44 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16H9am-00023g-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:15:00 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16H9al-0001hn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:15:00 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011220201035.00b0e800@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:14:57 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: Multi Tone signalling / Long haul QSO's In-reply-to: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C672@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.go v.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Andy, LF group, At 16:15 20/12/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Any ideas for a name for this mode ?. And lets stay away from Q codes :-( How about 7FSK? you could then extend it to specify dot periods, like 7FSK60 or whatever. Or would that be too boring? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24327 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 20:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 20:00:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 23339 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 20:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 20:00:17 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H9G0-0001rt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:53:32 +0000 Received: from smtp-1.visp.telinco.net ([212.1.130.1]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H9Fz-0001ro-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:53:31 +0000 Received: from [212.1.152.172] (helo=g4jnt) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16H9BG-0003na-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:48:39 +0000 Message-ID: <002201c18990$00a82500$ac9801d4@g4jnt> From: "Andrew Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Re: Long haul, suggestions Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:53:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
This is one of the arguments that have appeared on this reflector from time to time.  Producing the tones in a coherent manner as you suggest would have athe advantages you mention for ultra narrow detection, but this technique is using the signalling waveform in a way it was not intended !  To produce seven phase coherent on-off keyed tones would require seven locked oscillators - trivial when using a DSP approach to generate the waveform by just maintaining seven Numerical Controlled Oscillators in software and switching between their outputs, but very complicated to do with a direct RF generated carrier. 
 
I will run this again tomorrow and over part of teh weekend with a longer more meaningful message; the phase coherent GPS locked signalling is on hold for a couple of days so can carry on with this mode.
 
Andy  G4JNT
 
-----Andy, is it possible to let the TX run tomorrow (friday) evening ?
I would like to try again from the club station where the noise is much lower than here at home.

The strong local noise brought up this idea:

If the seven tones were transmitted in a "coherent" way (for each tone), so one could DETECT THE PRESENCE of such a signal (instead of decoding it) ? This way, if one used a waterfall with say 5-minute scrolling interval and a frequency resolution of a few millihertz, seven lines would grow out of the noise giving a coarse figure how many dBs are missing until DECODING is possible.
I once observed a CW qso between two stations with a very slow ("high-res") waterfall, one station produced a very sharp line on the display while the other (though very stable in frequency) did not. The same effect could be observed on Rik's proposed mode, depending on how the signals are generated... but I don't want anyone trying to key the output of seven independent DDS'es. There must be a smarter way (if the "coherent" transmission makes sense at all
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18379 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 19:57:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 19:57:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23973 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 19:57:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 19:57:13 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H9GC-0001s2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:53:44 +0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H9GB-0001rl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:53:43 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.195.af5e4 (4250) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:52:22 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <195.af5e4.29539b76@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:52:22 EST Subject: LF: Re^n: long haul QSO's .. >> programming To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Steve and Alberto,

in fact there is a bunch of Ring-0 drivers around to do the job.
I used one by Yariv Kaplan called "WinIO" which came along with all the sources and an interface DLL around. It does a nice job in my Windows PIC programmer. But as Windoze XP is knocking at some people's door, even this trick does not work anymore, really a mess... because direct access is the only way to set the TxD signal of the COM port to a constant HIGH- or LOW-level.

If you only need TWO output lines at the COM port (RTS and DTR), there is a way to control these lines via the Windoze API. One could use one line as clock, the other as a data line to drive a simple shift register. The shift clock can be the leading clock edge, and the output strobe can be the falling edge with a logic "1" on the data line (thinking of I2C-bus).

IMO, the serial port will exist a bit longer than the "LPT" port, and if not, there are a couple of USB->"COM" interface chips available which do not require advanced programming because they look like ordinary "COM" ports to an application. Or, as suggested earlier, use a PIC16F628 which has a nice UART and (in a PIC programmer's world) a large RAM and code memory. You can even program PICs in "C" these days as I saw on SM6LKM's page.

73,  Wolf
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6974 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 19:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 19:32:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28322 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 19:32:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 19:32:02 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H8pT-0001m0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:26:07 +0000 Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.102]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H8pS-0001lv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:26:06 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.42.1f60f6d2 (4247) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:25:11 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <42.1f60f6d2.29539516@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:25:10 EST Subject: LF: Re: Long haul, suggestions To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Andy, Rik and the group,

I tried to catch a glimpse of Andy's test transmission but the neighbour's TV, SMPSUs etc were too strong. Just a frew weak traces when the worbly humming carrier was away for a few seconds.

Andy, is it possible to let the TX run tomorrow (friday) evening ?
I would like to try again from the club station where the noise is much lower than here at home.

The strong local noise brought up this idea:

If the seven tones were transmitted in a "coherent" way (for each tone), so one could DETECT THE PRESENCE of such a signal (instead of decoding it) ? This way, if one used a waterfall with say 5-minute scrolling interval and a frequency resolution of a few millihertz, seven lines would grow out of the noise giving a coarse figure how many dBs are missing until DECODING is possible.
I once observed a CW qso between two stations with a very slow ("high-res") waterfall, one station produced a very sharp line on the display while the other (though very stable in frequency) did not. The same effect could be observed on Rik's proposed mode, depending on how the signals are generated... but I don't want anyone trying to key the output of seven independent DDS'es. There must be a smarter way (if the "coherent" transmission makes sense at all).

Hope to see / hear / meet you later,
   merry Christmas to all
         73  Wolf.

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15180 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 19:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 19:17:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 267 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 19:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 19:16:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H8e0-0001id-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:14:16 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H8dy-0001iY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:14:15 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp243.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.243]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA29438 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:13:27 +1100 Message-ID: <01c301c1898b$23bc7fa0$f39a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc><5.1.0.14.0.20011217162715.00abb350@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3.0.1.16.20011218145846.2b378612@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007001c18807$c3f5d0a0$fb9a17d2@steve> <3C2083F3.E716ECC@usa.net> Subject: LF: Re: Re: long haul QSO's Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:18:36 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Alberto, > > If you need parallel output lines, then the printer port seems to be the only choice, > Don't we still have the problem with Win95/98 very helpfully changing the port output not-so-periodically if you have a printer driver assigned to the port. I think, from memory, you need a VXD so that your program "captures" the port. There was some program/component called something like "TVich32" kicking around a while ago for this. Another trick that seems to work is to remove any printer associations via "My Computer". Win95/98 seems to leave the port alone then. Not likely to be practical and even less likely to be popular. In any case it should be possible to latch the the port externally by decoding a sequence of port writes (to distinguish from Win95/98 interference) as the timing for changing tones is pretty relaxed. 73s Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19370 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 18:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 18:54:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 17023 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 18:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 18:54:23 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H8Hk-0001cP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:51:16 +0000 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.210]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H8Hj-0001cK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:51:15 +0000 Received: from modem-11.belfalas.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.139.11] helo=g3aqc) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16H8H0-0006IO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:50:30 +0000 Message-ID: <004b01c18987$4f92de20$f02f893e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. Multi-tone signalling Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:50:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Andy, Very good signals coming in here ! will take me a while to work out how to decode though. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18535 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 18:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 18:24:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 1448 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 18:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 18:24:23 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H7oI-0001Tz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:20:50 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H7oH-0001Tt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:20:49 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp243.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.243]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA27080 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 05:20:02 +1100 Message-ID: <00a201c18983$acce3200$f39a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002301c1897c$b0ef3020$0b8701d4@g4jnt> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Multi Tone signalling / Long haul QSO's Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 05:25:08 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day Andy, Great work on getting this up so quickly ! Bit too far for me, but it will be interesting to see the results of practical tests of Stewart's (KK7KA) proposal. 73s Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15932 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 18:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 18:14:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 23978 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 18:14:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 18:14:55 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H7fB-0001RB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:11:25 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H7f9-0001R0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:11:23 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp243.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.243]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA26573 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 05:10:36 +1100 Message-ID: <008101c18982$5b2e4f80$f39a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc><5.1.0.14.0.20011217162715.00abb350@gemini.herts.ac.uk><3.0.1.16.20011218145846.2b378612@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <3.0.1.16.20011220115706.090f1350@pb623250.kuleuven.be> Subject: Re: LF: Re: long haul QSO's Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 05:12:41 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day Rik, > > I believe that the FDK/Wanjina system is an excellent tool for propagation > tests, where the only goal is to have an identication of a signal. > The main disadvantage I see is the need of a linear TX, but maybe this > could be solved by transmitting the 2 tones sequential. If the tones are > send sequential they get the double of the power but only during half the > time, so SNR will be the same. > Actually you don't need a linear amplifier to generate two tones, Wolf has been transmitted in the US LowFer bands using just an XOR gate. Wanjina/FDK can be generated the same way. Of course, for the European band this would not be suitable. > > But my primary interest goes to a mode that will allow us to have a proper > 2-way QSO within a timeframe of 60-90 minutes. > Assuming that we set the same requirements to have a valid 2-way QSO as for > meteor-scatter or EME than we would need : > 1. exchange of callsigns (official calls, no pseudo-calls) > 2. exchange of some kind of report (T-M-O) > 3. some kind of 'end of QSO' confirmation ('SK') > Yes. I agree. If we limit our experiments to Amateur rules then this is true. However, many of us are almost purely experimentally-minded and are excited by the information provided by, for example, the identification of Bob Vernall's ZL6QH beacon. I don't know about you, but didn't know for sure whether it could be done, but now we have a benchmark which will no doubt spur others to invest in more power or bigger antennas to work towards the formal QSO. For me the exchange of information in the most efficient way is the bottom line - not whether it complies with some set of rules. > > You are right when you state that FDK/Wanjina does not need absolute > frequency calibration, since each character already carries the reference. > If one would send the tones sequential it would mean that a reference tone > is sent, followed by a second tone with a shift unique for each character. > This is the advantage but at the same time the weakness of FDK, because it > means that you need about 40 different shifts what might become very > difficult to decode by eye and also requires a relative large bandwidth > compared to the proposed 7-tone system. > During the Wanjina tests on 22m (2mW EIRP decoded over 15,000km) in the QRM-ridden ISM bands before I could write the decoding software, the Wanjina signal was decoded by eye by the two people who became aware of the tests. They simply used the cursor to mark the two lines and looked up a table I gave them. As far as sequential tones, the IFK method I proposed way back is a contraction of this (on my web-site), but both sequential systems suffer from the either twice as slow (reference then data) or ambiguity (IFK) between tones. But the point about the large bandwidth is a weakness for sure. > > Regarding SQUID : it sounds rather tempting and might an be interesting > step between simple one-way identication of a beacon and a full 2-way QSO. > I have about four or five different variants of SQUID in my head. I will try and sort them out over the next couple of weeks and present them for scrutiny. Basically they are different balances of bit-length and number of tones. Also either one part for station ID and a trailing part for operationalmode/signal report or a composite code (in micro-encoding terms - like one byte for an opcode and then one byte for the operand, or the opcode and operand combined in one byte). > > But I feel that making a QSO really involves the exchange of regular > callsigns. > You are not alone in feeling this, but the question I honestly don't understand is - why ? BTW, the great thing about the ISM band (and at the moment the US LowFer and the VK Scientific Licence) is that they are NOT Amateur bands so you don't have a horde of hyperventilating hamsters hammering you for utilising a couple of hertz of unoccupied spectrum space using some non-kosher mode/protocol. Look what happened on 160m when narrowband tests were attempted there. The ZLs don't seem to have this problem. They have been engaging in experiments in their Amateur LF band for longer than most without any angst. Very sensible and practical people the Kiwis are. Like the Aussies were before we starting aping foreign influences and started wearing our caps back to front. But I digress. 73s Steve Olney (VK2ZTO/AXSO - QF56IK : Lat -33 34 07, Long +150 44 40) ============================================= HomePage URL: http://www.zeta.org.au/~ollaneg Containing:- ULF, ELF, VLF & LF Experimentation MF 22m Experimentation InfraSonic Experimentation Laser Comms DX ============================================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28728 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 18:14:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 18:14:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 24117 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 18:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 18:14:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H7fA-0001R7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:11:24 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H7f7-0001Qz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:11:22 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp243.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.243]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA26565 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 05:10:33 +1100 Message-ID: <007f01c18982$59a4a240$f39a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc><5.1.0.14.0.20011217162715.00abb350@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3.0.1.16.20011218145846.2b378612@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007001c18807$c3f5d0a0$fb9a17d2@steve> <004301c188cb$86ba9d00$f39a17d2@steve> <008d01c188cf$bfb061e0$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> Subject: Re: LF: Re: long haul QSO's - SQUID... Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 04:20:40 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day John, > > >Taking the LWCA list as an indicator, > >the LowFer list has some 60 odd participants. > > Some of us are very odd. But proud of it! > Mmmmm... my wife very kindly describes what interests us as "different". Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9222 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 17:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 17:39:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 22695 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 17:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 17:39:05 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H76E-0001Ea-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:35:18 +0000 Received: from smtp-1.visp.telinco.net ([212.1.130.1]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H76D-0001EV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:35:17 +0000 Received: from [212.1.135.11] (helo=g4jnt) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16H71V-0003Ry-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:30:26 +0000 Message-ID: <002301c1897c$b0ef3020$0b8701d4@g4jnt> From: "Andrew Talbot" To: "LF Group" Subject: LF: Re: Multi Tone signalling / Long haul QSO's Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:34:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Update to previous message. The S/W worked first time I connected it to the DDS source, and there is now a 5 Watt test transmission going out on 137790.00 Hz which will continue the rest of this evening. Use Argo on 60s dot interval centred on this frequency. To decode, refer to My and RIk's previous postings Andy G4JNT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7755 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 17:31:21 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 17:31:21 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14859 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 17:31:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 17:31:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H6yp-0001Ar-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:27:39 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H6yn-0001Ad-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:27:37 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16H6y4-00001h-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:26:52 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16H6y3-0000HX-02 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:26:52 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011220172640.00a87ce8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:26:50 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: Merry Christmas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, My workplace (where my E-mail facilities are located) closes down from tomorrow (Friday) afternoon until 2nd January. I hope to be QRV on LF at odd times over Christmas,so hope to see you then. But I will not be able to receive any E-mails after tomorrow afternoon until the new year. So until then, I wish everybody on the reflector a very happy Christmas and all the best for 2002! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7145 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 17:31:07 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 17:31:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23152 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 17:31:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 17:31:02 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H6yp-0001Aq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:27:39 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H6yn-0001Ab-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:27:37 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16H6y4-00001Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:26:52 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16H6y3-0000HX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:26:51 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011220163443.00a9ca20@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:13:22 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: Merry Christmas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, My workplace (where my E-mail facilities are located) closes down from tomorrow (Friday) afternoon until 2nd January. I hope to be QRV on LF at odd times over Christmas,so hope to see you then. But I will not be able to receive any E-mails after tomorrow afternoon until the new year. So until then, I wish everybody on the reflector a very happy Christmas and all the best for 2002! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7056 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 17:31:04 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 17:31:04 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23123 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 17:31:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 17:31:00 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H6yp-0001As-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:27:39 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H6yn-0001Ac-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:27:37 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16H6y4-00001c-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:26:52 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16H6y3-0000HX-01 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:26:51 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011220171554.00a90128@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:16:32 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: Merry Xmas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, My workplace (where my E-mail facilities are located) closes down from tomorrow (Friday) afternoon until 2nd January. I hope to be QRV on LF at odd times over Christmas,so hope to see you then. But I will not be able to receive any E-mails after tomorrow afternoon until the new year. So until then, I wish everybody on the reflector a very happy Christmas and all the best for 2002! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20280 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 17:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 17:16:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11497 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 17:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 17:16:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H6lT-00014b-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:13:51 +0000 Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.176]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H6lS-00014U-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:13:50 +0000 Received: from [195.92.198.123] (helo=mail17.svr.pol.co.uk) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16H6kj-0008Ed-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:13:05 +0000 Received: from modem-184.elendur.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.184.184]) by mail17.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16H6ki-0007uA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:13:05 +0000 From: "Nick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Attachments - hyperlinks Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:13:03 +0000 Message-ID: <55p32use52lpm6te5oa52pn0luohnvt4io@4ax.com> References: <003f01c18933$56dac5c0$dc2a073e@dave> In-reply-to: <003f01c18933$56dac5c0$dc2a073e@dave> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:48:54 -0000, you wrote: >2. Only OE and Outlook appear to highlight hyperlinks and email addresses properly. Agent is perfectly happy with or without the HTTP Nick From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17611 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 16:32:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 16:32:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 18893 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 16:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 16:32:25 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H63z-0000uM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:28:55 +0000 Received: from fep01.swip.net ([130.244.199.129] helo=fep01-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H63x-0000uG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:28:53 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([212.151.13.10]) by fep01-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20011220162805.GIRQ7380.fep01-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:28:05 +0100 Message-ID: <01a801c18973$58e91840$0a0d97d4@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C105@btss103a.swh.sk> Subject: LF: Re: DDS calibration... Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:27:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Rich, >It's possible to save this calibration in EEPROM ? >Anybody knows how to do it ? Yes, I wrote the firmware... 1. If the CAL switch is held down at power-on, the default calibration value (corresponding to 25.0000... MHz clock) is loaded into EEPROM and the display will show "CAL=Default" for a few seconds. 2. If the CAL switch is pressed temporarily during operation, the software enters calibration mode and the calibration constant can be changed with the VFO knob. Just press the CAL switch again to store the new calibration in EEPROM and resume normal operation. If you see "CAL=Default" on the display every time you start the DDS, there is a problem with the CAL switch. The CAL switch should be a normally open momentary pushbutton that connects PIC pin 11 (RB5) to ground via a 470-820 ohm resistor. 73 de Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19069 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 16:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 16:19:26 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 23968 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 16:19:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 16:19:22 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H5sR-0000rf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:16:59 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H5sQ-0000ra-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:16:58 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id QAA08540; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:25:22 GMT Received: (qmail 25271 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 17:06:14 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 17:06:14 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id QAA14693; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:37:56 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma014600; Thu, 20 Dec 01 16:37:25 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:21:08 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:15:40 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C672@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: "LF Group \(E-mail\)" Cc: "Holtby Linda C" Subject: LF: Multi Tone signalling / Long haul QSO's Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:15:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Software to generate two tone visual signalling is written and just needs final testing, then I should be able to put out some test transmissions within a day or so for evaluation of the technique. Are there any preferred freqencies for these tests ? If not I'll go for the top end of the band, centred on 137790.00Hz Since this mode has close to a 100% duty cycle, transmitters will have to be wound back a bit so tests will be either at 5 Watts from a small test PA (approx. 300uW ERP) or 400 Watts from the biggie, (24mW ERP) Initially, parameters will be something like 1 minute per tone with a tone spacing of 0.5Hz, giving a bandwidth of 3Hz, 1.5Hz above and below the nominated frequency. Coding will be as per Rik's posting, viz : (1 = lowest tone .. 7 = highest tone) : A = 11 H = 21 O = 31 V = 41 0 = 51 7 = 61 space = 71 B = 12 I = 22 P = 32 W = 42 1 = 52 8 = 62 report 'O' = 72 C = 13 J = 23 Q = 33 X = 43 2 = 53 9 = 63 report 'M' = 73 D = 14 K = 24 R = 34 Y = 44 3 = 54 report 'T' = 74 E = 15 L = 25 S = 35 Z = 45 4 = 55 'CQ' = 75 F = 16 M = 26 T = 36 5 = 56 / = 66 final 'K' = 76 G = 17 N = 27 U = 37 6 = 57 ? = 67 final 'SK' = 77 Any ideas for a name for this mode ?. And lets stay away from Q codes :-( Andy G4JNT -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28164 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 16:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 16:01:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 6037 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 16:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 16:01:02 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H5Xz-0000kY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:55:51 +0000 Received: from mta1.snet.net ([204.60.203.70]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H5Xy-0000kS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:55:50 +0000 Received: from cianciolo (97.79.252.64.snet.net [64.252.79.97] (may be forged)) by mta1.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with SMTP id fBKFrt1u003452 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:53:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801c1896e$92a9e460$6901a8c0@cianciolo> From: "PC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C108@btss103a.swh.sk> Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: 135.922 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:54:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thank you Rich!!! I will start looking tonight! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gasparik Richard" To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 10:25 AM Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: 135.922 > Hi Paul... > > I'll start at 2100Z and I'll QRT at 0600Z. I'll transmitt everyday > until 26.12.2001 on 135.922kHz QRSS60. > > 73 de Rich OM2TW > > -----Original Message----- > From: PC [mailto:paulc@snet.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 3:42 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: RE: 135.922 > > > Rich, > > Sorry for the intrusion here but what modeand time will you be operating > this eve? > > I would like to look for you aswell. I am on the east coast of US > > Thank you sir > > PaulC > W1VLF > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gasparik Richard" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:19 AM > Subject: LF: RE: 135.922 > > > > Hi John... > > > > Sri for the mistake, but I finished my DDS one week ago. It needs > > callibration. But I'll do it afternoon and I'll be on 135.922 kHz, no > > problem. So, thank you very much for patient. > > > > Best regards... > > > > 73 de Rich OM2TW > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: john currie [mailto:john.currie@ns.sympatico.ca] > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:10 PM > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: 135.922 > > > > > > Hi Rich, If you can't recalibrate, I can look for you on > > 135.927 kHz. Just let me know what you will do > > I looked all night. My receiver didn't go as high as135.927 > > 73 de John VE1ZJ > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10700 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 15:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 15:54:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 5244 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 15:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 15:54:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H5R0-0000hc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:48:38 +0000 Received: from tomts17.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.71] helo=tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H5Qz-0000hQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:48:37 +0000 Received: from server1 ([216.209.110.168]) by tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20011220154721.HDDL10118.tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1> for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:47:21 -0500 Message-ID: <00df01c1896d$8864ea00$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> From: "Larry Kayser" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C106@btss103a.swh.sk> Subject: LF: Re: RE: 135.922 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:29:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Richard: > Sri for the mistake, but I finished my DDS one week ago. It needs > callibration. Not sure if you are aware of it or not but what needs calibration is your real Reference frequency. If anyone can give you an excellent frequency read out of your tx frequency then you can work backwards easily to adjust the reference frequency so that your dial will read right. OK? Larry VA3LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10601 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 15:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 15:54:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 29999 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 15:53:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 15:53:59 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H5Qv-0000hV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:48:33 +0000 Received: from tomts17.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.71] helo=tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H5Qu-0000hO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:48:32 +0000 Received: from server1 ([216.209.110.168]) by tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20011220154715.HDBS10118.tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1> for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:47:15 -0500 Message-ID: <00de01c1896d$849f2f70$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> From: "Larry Kayser" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C66D@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: long haul QSO's Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:19:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Greetings All: A new > PIC device, the 16F628, has come along as a replacement for that old PIC > workhorse, the 16F84. It is pin and functionaly compatible with the 16F84, > has more memory and its greatest advantage, a built in UART. So now even > simpler serial comms becomes possible in a PIC without tying up the code > just polling or sending RS232 characters. The 16F628 is also cheaper than > the 16F84 ! Yes, this is a wonderful device, I have been using them here for some months now. There are some limitations on the serial port clocking accuracy with certrain crystal oscillator selections, the good news is that I have one working at 19,200 using the internal 4 MHz RC oscillator. They work especially easily with the G4JNT DDS board... Larry VA3LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8837 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 15:32:57 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 15:32:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13396 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 15:32:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 15:32:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H55k-0000e0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:26:40 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H55h-0000dv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:26:38 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBKFPct02102 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:25:38 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA28513 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:25:30 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:25:27 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C108@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: 135.922 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:25:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Paul... I'll start at 2100Z and I'll QRT at 0600Z. I'll transmitt everyday until 26.12.2001 on 135.922kHz QRSS60. 73 de Rich OM2TW -----Original Message----- From: PC [mailto:paulc@snet.net] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 3:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: 135.922 Rich, Sorry for the intrusion here but what modeand time will you be operating this eve? I would like to look for you aswell. I am on the east coast of US Thank you sir PaulC W1VLF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gasparik Richard" To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: LF: RE: 135.922 > Hi John... > > Sri for the mistake, but I finished my DDS one week ago. It needs > callibration. But I'll do it afternoon and I'll be on 135.922 kHz, no > problem. So, thank you very much for patient. > > Best regards... > > 73 de Rich OM2TW > > -----Original Message----- > From: john currie [mailto:john.currie@ns.sympatico.ca] > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:10 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: 135.922 > > > Hi Rich, If you can't recalibrate, I can look for you on > 135.927 kHz. Just let me know what you will do > I looked all night. My receiver didn't go as high as135.927 > 73 de John VE1ZJ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15392 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 14:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 14:47:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 5063 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 14:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 14:47:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H4QP-0000UH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:43:57 +0000 Received: from mta2.snet.net ([204.60.203.71]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H4QO-0000UC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:43:56 +0000 Received: from cianciolo (97.79.252.64.snet.net [64.252.79.97] (may be forged)) by mta2.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with SMTP id fBKEhARX027984 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:43:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000401c18964$889fe640$6901a8c0@cianciolo> From: "PC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C106@btss103a.swh.sk> Subject: LF: Re: RE: 135.922 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:42:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Rich, Sorry for the intrusion here but what modeand time will you be operating this eve? I would like to look for you aswell. I am on the east coast of US Thank you sir PaulC W1VLF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gasparik Richard" To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: LF: RE: 135.922 > Hi John... > > Sri for the mistake, but I finished my DDS one week ago. It needs > callibration. But I'll do it afternoon and I'll be on 135.922 kHz, no > problem. So, thank you very much for patient. > > Best regards... > > 73 de Rich OM2TW > > -----Original Message----- > From: john currie [mailto:john.currie@ns.sympatico.ca] > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:10 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: 135.922 > > > Hi Rich, If you can't recalibrate, I can look for you on > 135.927 kHz. Just let me know what you will do > I looked all night. My receiver didn't go as high as135.927 > 73 de John VE1ZJ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22153 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 14:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 14:43:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 2257 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 14:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 14:43:38 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H4HE-0000S1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:34:28 +0000 Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.188]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H4HD-0000Rt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:34:27 +0000 Received: from comrex (207-172-245-136.s898.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.245.136]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n20340/mtc.v2) with SMTP id JAA31225 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:33:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001901c18963$7635f5e0$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C2237EC.AC6E4114@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: 73 kHz last night Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:34:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Saw some pieces of Laurie's signal between 2300 and 0000 last night, but nothing useful after that, though my checks were only occasional. Also looked on 135.922, with nothing seen, but OM2TW's actual frequency would have been off my screen. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27154 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 14:25:19 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 14:25:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18394 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 14:25:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 14:25:15 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H43n-0000Oa-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:20:35 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H43l-0000OV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:20:33 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBKEJet30019 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:19:40 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA23040 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:19:32 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:19:29 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C106@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 135.922 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:19:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John... Sri for the mistake, but I finished my DDS one week ago. It needs callibration. But I'll do it afternoon and I'll be on 135.922 kHz, no problem. So, thank you very much for patient. Best regards... 73 de Rich OM2TW -----Original Message----- From: john currie [mailto:john.currie@ns.sympatico.ca] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:10 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 135.922 Hi Rich, If you can't recalibrate, I can look for you on 135.927 kHz. Just let me know what you will do I looked all night. My receiver didn't go as high as135.927 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14380 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 14:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 14:11:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14042 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 14:11:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 14:11:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H3tD-0000Kg-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:09:39 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H3tC-0000Ka-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:09:38 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.90.35]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:10:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3C2237EC.AC6E4114@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:11:40 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all Last night i looked at 135.922 for OM2TW. Saw nil I will look agsin tonight for Rich 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23578 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 14:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 14:10:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7032 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 14:10:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 14:10:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H3ra-0000KY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:07:58 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H3rZ-0000KT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:07:57 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.90.35]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:08:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3C22377D.5128643E@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:09:50 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 135.922 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Rich, If you can't recalibrate, I can look for you on 135.927 kHz. Just let me know what you will do I looked all night. My receiver didn't go as high as135.927 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22443 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 13:11:28 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 13:11:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14227 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 13:11:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 13:11:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H2vv-00009w-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:08:23 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H2vd-00009r-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:08:10 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBKD7Ct24763 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:07:12 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA16782 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:07:04 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:07:01 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C105@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" Subject: LF: DDS calibration... Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:06:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi LF-ers... I have here the DDS (G0MRF project) with G0MRF firmware 1.00. I need to calibrate it. The DDS starting with calibration routime and it's possible to calibrate it. But I must do it each time I start the DDS. It's possible to save this calibration in EEPROM ? Anybody knows how to do it ? Thank you... 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1881 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 12:01:25 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 12:01:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8882 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 12:01:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 12:01:23 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H1qm-0008TN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:59:00 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H1qk-0008TE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:58:58 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBKBw4t20084 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:58:04 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA11017 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:57:55 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:57:52 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C101@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" Subject: LF: DDS callibration, T/A tests continuing Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:57:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John and all LF-ers... Now I know that my DDS frequency isn't acurate, so I'll calibrate my DDS today and will continue in the T/A test on 135.922kHz, still in QRSS60mode and starting 2100Z until 0600Z. Thank you all for the informations. Best regards and enjoy LF... 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11590 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 11:54:51 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 11:54:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2362 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 11:54:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 11:54:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H1jq-0008R4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:51:50 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H1jo-0008Qz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:51:49 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBKBoxt19612 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:50:59 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA10517 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:50:43 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:50:40 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C100@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: who was it ? Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:50:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Uwe, Alberto and all LF-ers... It was me OM2TW....now I know, that my DDS is not acurate. DDS displays 135.922 but my TX freq is around 135.927kHz. So I'll make some calibrations. Today I'll start again my test on 135.922 kHz in QRSS60 mode at 2100Z until 0600Z. Thank you all for the help. 73 de Rich OM2TW -----Original Message----- From: 0482183881-0001@t-online.de [mailto:0482183881-0001@t-online.de] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 12:45 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: who was it ? Hi all, somebody has had trouble with the PA at 2230Utc on 18.12.2001. searching through my last days captures I did finde the attached one. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17134 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 11:05:37 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 11:05:37 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12415 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 11:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 11:05:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H0wt-0008Hv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:01:15 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H0wr-0008Ge-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:01:13 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fBKAxuAS059326 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:59:56 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20011220115706.090f1350@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:57:06 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Re: long haul QSO's In-reply-to: <007001c18807$c3f5d0a0$fb9a17d2@steve> References: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc> <5.1.0.14.0.20011217162715.00abb350@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3.0.1.16.20011218145846.2b378612@pb623250.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Steve, I believe that the FDK/Wanjina system is an excellent tool for propagation tests, where the only goal is to have an identication of a signal. The main disadvantage I see is the need of a linear TX, but maybe this could be solved by transmitting the 2 tones sequential. If the tones are send sequential they get the double of the power but only during half the time, so SNR will be the same. But my primary interest goes to a mode that will allow us to have a proper 2-way QSO within a timeframe of 60-90 minutes. Assuming that we set the same requirements to have a valid 2-way QSO as for meteor-scatter or EME than we would need : 1. exchange of callsigns (official calls, no pseudo-calls) 2. exchange of some kind of report (T-M-O) 3. some kind of 'end of QSO' confirmation ('SK') You are right when you state that FDK/Wanjina does not need absolute frequency calibration, since each character already carries the reference. If one would send the tones sequential it would mean that a reference tone is sent, followed by a second tone with a shift unique for each character. This is the advantage but at the same time the weakness of FDK, because it means that you need about 40 different shifts what might become very difficult to decode by eye and also requires a relative large bandwidth compared to the proposed 7-tone system. Regarding SQUID : it sounds rather tempting and might an be interesting step between simple one-way identication of a beacon and a full 2-way QSO. But I feel that making a QSO really involves the exchange of regular callsigns. 73, Rik ON7YD At 08:04 19/12/01 +1100, you wrote: >G'day All, > >Having had some time to think about the 7-tone scheme (I travel 3 hours a >day to work), I must confess to having gone a little cold on the idea. >There are a number of things, but they basically arise from the observation >of conditions which exist at the bleeding edge of long haul efforts. Using >the example of the furthest positive "identification" (carefully >side-stepping the QSO minefield) of Bob Vernall's (ZL2CA) 136kHz >transmissions, the "opening" time available is well below the 60-80 minutes >needed for a QSO. There is simply no time to calibrate on a space as was >suggested. When I consider all the prerequisites and calibration >requirements of the 7-tone scheme, then I look at Wanjina (FDK), where >absolute calibration is not required and "bang", in one 60 second burst of >two simultaneous tone, you get the character, I remember why I have >persisted with my Wanjina system for so long. OK, so I am biassed :-) >However, having successfully had a 2mW EIRP signal decoded over a distance >of 15,000km using Wanjina in the noisy and QRM ridden ISM band >(13.555450Mhz) I think I am entitled to be biassed. The signal was only >known to be be in a range of +/-10Hz, no time synchronisation was used, no >super accurate calibration of the soundcard was required apart from ensuring >that the Wanjina signal was contained somewhere on the Argo screen. > >I have a further suggestion to make. I preface this suggestion with Rik's >clarification. The suggestion is not a replacement for the tried and true >methods, but a tool to search out the limits of the medium we are playing >with. For those pioneering efforts (like Bob Vernall's (ZL2CA) crossing of >the Pacific on 136kHz) a super specialised scheme is justified. Here goes. > >The first stage of laying the tracks down for others to follow in any >pioneering effort is not to lay down a highway, but simply to establish a >link, however tenuous. Explorers, to establish that they had indeed made >the journey often just left a marker (sometimes just a pile of stones) to >verify the feat. > >Most of these pioneering efforts (but not all) have used beacons to >establish the parameters. The first stage of receiving a beacon is to >simply unequivocably identify it. This technique has long been used in >navigation. Lighthouses don't send morse code or a callsign, they send a >unique flash pattern which unambiguously identifies that "beacon". > >I suggest that we adopt the same idea. I propose a three "dot" 3-tone >sequential protocol which does not attempt to transmit the alphabet, but >simply to identify the transmitting station plus the TMO reporting system. >Beacons would only transmit the the ID part, those calling for a QSO could >transmit the ID plus a CQ code, those engaged in a QSO could transmit the ID >part plus a TMO part. The sequences must be chosen such that when they are >run end to end (no spaces anywhere) they can be unambiguously identified. >This ambiguity should extend to both beaconing sequences and QSO sequences. >This would mean having to throw away some sequences. This may mean that a >three "dot" 3-tone protocol may not have enough unique sequences to cover >the expected number of participating stations plus TMO and CQ codes and >would have to be extended to either more "dots" or more tones. The >barest minimum should be aimed for to allow wider spacing of tones on a >given resolution Argo screen and to minimise elapsed time for the unique >identification of the station (to take advantage of the short opening times >on the long hauls). The codes should still be much easier to decode by >eye than a 7-tone system. > >I haven't had time to do the necessary evaluation to see how many unique and >also sequentially unambiguous codes are available from a 3 "dot" 3-tone >system, but it would need to cover 4-info codes (TMO + CQ) and a limited >number of station IDs (5, 10, 15... ?). I will try and do this on the >weekend or before. I suspect a 3 "dot" 3-tone scheme will not have enough >unique sequences. However, even a 4 "dot" scheme would only take 8 minutes >to send the an ID plus TMO or CQ code using 60 second dots. > >I will call this scheme "SQUID" for "Super QUick ID" :-) > >Comments ? > >Alberto - a question for you. How many lines can you set/reset reliably >from a serial port ? This would set the maximum number of tone >frequencies. > >73s Steve Olney (VK2ZTO/AXSO - QF56IK : Lat -33 34 07, Long +150 44 40) >============================================= >HomePage URL: http://www.zeta.org.au/~ollaneg >Containing:- >ULF, ELF, VLF & LF Experimentation >MF 22m Experimentation >InfraSonic Experimentation >Laser Comms DX >============================================= > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9235 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 11:05:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 11:05:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 12334 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 11:05:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 11:05:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H0yG-0008I6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:02:40 +0000 Received: from phobos.unica.co.uk ([208.239.240.147]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16H0yF-0008I1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:02:39 +0000 Received: from [32.97.110.129] (helo=e31.co.us.ibm.com) by phobos.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 16H0xW-0007c2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 06:01:54 -0500 Received: from westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.140.22]) by e31.co.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA110224 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 05:55:12 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss7.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.72]) by westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBKAw3J124096 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 03:58:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3C21C439.27901297@usa.net> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:58:01 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: List restrictions References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011219180500.00b14008@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: James Moritz wrote: > Dear Alberto, LF Group > I think the limit is only about 30kB. > Jim and Alan, thanks for the information. At this point I have put up a small page on my Web site that shows the captures of OM2TW the evening of the 18th, and of G3LDO and DF6NM the evening of the 15th. Good signals, G3LDO and DF6NM received with an untuned string of wire 40m long, while OM2TW was received with a tuned loop, 2m each side, with a preamplifier. URL is : http://www.qsl.net/i2phd/spectran/captures.html 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1739 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 08:56:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 08:56:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 5825 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 08:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 08:56:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GyuD-0007r9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:50:21 +0000 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GyuC-0007r4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:50:20 +0000 Received: from host62-7-42-220.btinternet.com ([62.7.42.220] helo=dave) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16GytR-0002H1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:49:33 +0000 Message-ID: <003f01c18933$56dac5c0$dc2a073e@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: LF: Attachments - hyperlinks Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:48:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From Dave G3YMC Note the change of thread name..... 1. I would personally be very happy if the attachment size limit was reduced even more. Most of the recent .gif attachments have no interest for me, and with the current wave of viruses any attachment must be considered suspicious. Note also that sending large attachments via email is very inefficient, as the mime encoding increases the size by up to 50%. Putting these on a website where those interested can access it is by far the better way. 2. Only OE and Outlook appear to highlight hyperlinks and email addresses properly. Other clients either need the http:// bit or only highlight web addresses (not email addresses). Non MS users must be prepared to do a copy/paste (no great hardship). Having in the past couple of weeks sampled both Eudora and Opera mail clients I have come back to OE - it has the great advantage that you can view the original message source before opening the mail, something nobody else seems to do. OE is fine for those who know how to use and configure it, dangerous for Jo Public who doesn't. 3. We received an item of junk mail through the reflector the other day - something about mortages I recall. It seems this reflector is configured so that anyone can post, you only have to subscribe in order to receive mails. Perhaps this ought to be changed. 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9052 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 06:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 06:43:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 8733 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 06:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 06:43:07 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gwp3-0007Xh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 06:36:53 +0000 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.132]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gwp1-0007Xc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 06:36:52 +0000 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.181.186]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20011220063533.FTAB25411.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:35:33 +1300 Message-ID: <003701c18921$154739c0$bab51bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C212A07.D3130C2C@ns.sympatico.ca> <000701c188e7$fbf8e420$5eca28c3@erica> Subject: LF: Claim of LF DX ZL6QH to VE1ZJ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:34:49 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: CLAIM OF ZL TO VE1 AMATEUR LF DX 20 December 2001 On Saturday 15 December ZL6QH transmitted a low speed frequency shift keyed test signal in the 136 kHz band, as a beacon transmission for all hours of local darkness. John VE1ZJ managed to receive and positively identify signals from ZL6QH. The path length from ZL6QH near Wellington to VE1ZJ in Sydney, Nova Scotia has been calculated as being 15,645 km. VE1ZJ received the LF signal using a 10 metre vertical with top loading, high impedance pre-amplifier, low pass filter and a TS-850 receiver. The demodulated audio was fed to a computer sound card for filtering and display of the signal using Argo software. Weak signals were first received by VE1ZJ at 0845 UTC, which was some 40 minutes after ZL sunset at 0806 UTC and some three hours before VE1 sunrise at 1150 UTC. Best reception was from 1045 to 1138 UTC. Previous best DX for ZL6QH was confirmed reception by Dexter W4DEX two weeks earlier, over a distance of 13,633 km. W4DEX received ZL6QH again but generally not as well as the previous time. In June and September ZL6QH was received by VE7SL, when the test frequency was 184.4 kHz, but since then the ZL6QH signal has not been received at all, despite operators being ready to try for an LF/HF cross-band contact if propagation was satisfactory at the time. The ZL6QH transmitted signal used frequency shift keying, with 0.4 Hz frequency shift. The uniquely coded transmission consisted of repetitive sending of QQQQQ. sent as 137.7900, 137.7900, 137.7896, 137.7900 and then a gap, with all elements being of 120 seconds (2 minutes) duration. This means sending a single Q takes ten minutes. The ZL6QH LF signal was generated using a modified TS-850SAT, in SSB mode, fed with audio from a lap top PC, using soundcard software developed by Steve VK2ZTO. TS-850 frequency control was by means of a high performance TCXO master oscillator. The low level LF signal from the TS-850 transverter port was fed to an external LF power amplifier, and the output power was around 500 watts. The radiated power is estimated to be 4 watts. The antenna was a long wire at the Quartz Hill club station, which is run by the Wellington Amateur Radio Club. The ZL6QH operator was Mike ZL4OL. The next test from ZL6QH in the 136 kHz band will likely be in mid January. Bob Vernall ZL2CA Organiser of the ZL LF DX tests From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3455 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 03:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 03:58:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6940 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 03:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 03:58:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GuK4-0007Bu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 03:56:44 +0000 Received: from out1.prserv.net ([32.97.166.31] helo=prserv.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GuK4-0007Bp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 03:56:44 +0000 Received: from ieee.org (slip-32-103-10-212.md.us.prserv.net[32.103.10.212]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2001122003555120100s1gehe>; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 03:55:52 +0000 Message-ID: <3C20B554.7AA7F5C3@ieee.org> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:42:12 -0500 From: "Andre Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: long haul QSO's References: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C66D@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> <3C20A8C3.36F3AD6E@usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Alberto di Bene wrote: > I am afraid the biggest threat for serial comms is coming not from Bill, > but from laptop manufacturers... > I have recently seen laptops of the low end of the price range which > didn't have a serial port... yes, more and more laptops have a USB port only André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17107 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 01:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 01:00:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10825 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 01:00:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 01:00:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GrXM-0006ox-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:58:16 +0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GrXL-0006ol-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:58:15 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.50.3ac43dc (2613) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:56:52 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <50.3ac43dc.29529152@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:56:50 EST Subject: Re: LF: List restrictions To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 12/19/01 5:12:14 PM GMT Standard Time, dibene@usa.net writes:


Is there a maximum size for the messages sent to this list ?
I posted a few hours ago a message with a clip of the
capture of the transmission of OM2TW yesterday evening,
and of that of G3LDO the other evening, but nothing
has shown up until now.
The message size was about 47 kB.

73  Alberto  I2PHD
Probably too big for the reflector.
In fact it may be best to put attachments onto a web site. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28426 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 00:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 00:57:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5080 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 00:57:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 00:57:00 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GrT8-0006ny-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:53:54 +0000 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.163]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GrT7-0006nt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:53:53 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.6d.1f6a2357 (2613) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:53:02 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.1f6a2357.2952906e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:53:02 EST Subject: Re: LF: Re: long haul QSO's To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 12/19/01 12:43:15 PM GMT Standard Time, dibene@usa.net writes:


Hi David and the group,
 may I make a small and humble suggestion for all the group?
When writing URLs in an email message, please prefix them with http://
Look here the difference :
                                      www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/dds.htm
                                      http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/dds.htm

the second row is a live link, while the first isn't. This makes a snap to go there...

73  Alberto  I2PHD





Hi Alberto.

Sadly neither appear as a link on this machine, but could be a characteristic of the AOL software.
Actually, I hadn't realised that the http:// would generate a 'clickable' link to the URL on other people's software.......You learn something new every day.

Thanks for the tip

73  es merry Christmas

David From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7578 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 23:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 23:50:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 15944 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 23:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 23:50:45 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GqSd-0006ZT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:49:19 +0000 Received: from lycee.ns.uk.easynet.net ([195.40.1.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GqSc-0006ZO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:49:18 +0000 Received: from erica (tnt-3-94.easynet.co.uk [195.40.202.94]) by lycee.ns.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 751769FF2 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:48:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000701c188e7$fbf8e420$5eca28c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C212A07.D3130C2C@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: Re: Christmas Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:50:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John > CFH transmitting now on73.8 kHz No chance of hearing it here in the UK due to the monster on 73.3 and its sidebands. Transmitting on 72.4005, QRSS90 I am going on a short vacation from Friday, over Christmas. Have made a New Year's resolution to get the third module working on the Decca and find a better power supply. I think a string of car batteries and my present power supply should do the trick! All the best for Christmas to all LFers Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10294 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 23:48:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 23:48:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14108 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 23:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 23:48:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GqPk-0006Z7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:46:20 +0000 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GqPi-0006Z2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:46:18 +0000 Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 16GqOz-0007Kp-01; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:45:33 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.227.109.59]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16GqOZ-0niYFcC; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:45:07 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0F1@btss103a.swh.sk> Subject: LF: who was it ? 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Dec 2001 22:01:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 3268 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 22:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 22:01:38 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GojX-0006Gm-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:58:39 +0000 Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.177]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GojW-0006Gh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:58:38 +0000 Received: from modem-191.keyhole-butterfly.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.35.191] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Goil-0004D5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:57:52 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c188d8$50776540$bf23893e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73kHz Beacon Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:57:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I'm running 90sec dots DFCW on 72,401.2/3 until 0800utc. 73s Laurie.. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26085 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 21:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 21:52:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 4917 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 21:52:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 21:52:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GoaL-0006Di-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:49:09 +0000 Received: from e22.nc.us.ibm.com ([32.97.136.228]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GoaK-0006Dd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:49:08 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e22.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10590 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:45:13 -0600 Received: from usa.net (ss10.pok.socks.ibm.com [9.14.3.75]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBJLm3S206054 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:48:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3C210B6D.BEB2F43B@usa.net> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:33 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: long haul QSO's References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Bob Eldridge wrote: > Using an old Netscape I have been in the habit of not typing either the http > or the www, assuming the software fills in those prefixes. Have I been > missing something? > > Bob VE7BS Yes, Netscape tries, when otherwise unable to resolve the address, to add a www. in front of the URL. This consumes some time, but the point is another. Unless you use the latest Outlook, as Dave Pick has pointed out, you have to copy-and-paste the URL into the address bar of the browser, unless it is a live link, in which case you just single-click over it, and a browser window is opened for that URL. To make it a live link, you need the full URL, complete with the initial http. At least this is true with Netscape 4.76, the version I am using. But all this is utterly off topic, so let's stop here (and I am the culprit, having started the sub-thread...) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27802 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 20:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 20:58:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 25792 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 20:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 20:58:51 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gnm4-00064W-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:57:12 +0000 Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.188]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gnm3-00064R-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:57:11 +0000 Received: from comrex (207-172-216-161.s669.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.216.161]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n20340/mtc.v2) with SMTP id PAA17042 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:56:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008d01c188cf$bfb061e0$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc><5.1.0.14.0.20011217162715.00abb350@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3.0.1.16.20011218145846.2b378612@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007001c18807$c3f5d0a0$fb9a17d2@steve> <004301c188cb$86ba9d00$f39a17d2@steve> Subject: Re: LF: Re: long haul QSO's - SQUID... Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:56:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Steve: >Taking the LWCA list as an indicator, >the LowFer list has some 60 odd participants. Some of us are very odd. But proud of it! John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16221 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 20:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 20:45:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 4514 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 18:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 18:06:56 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gl3i-0005VO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:03:14 +0000 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gl3g-0005VJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:03:12 +0000 Received: from host217-35-44-187.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.44.187] helo=dellboy) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16Gl2u-0001Ki-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:02:24 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c188b7$4dbcdc20$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3c.16616b1e.29513727@aol.com> <3C2089B0.8ED33C67@usa.net> Subject: LF: Re: Re: long haul QSO's Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:02:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Alberto et al The newer versions of Outlook / IE respond to just the www prefix so both links in your example below work fine for me. At least Bill got something right! Dave G3YXM. > Hi David and the group, > may I make a small and humble suggestion for all the group? > When writing URLs in an email message, please prefix them with http:// > Look here the difference : > www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/dds.htm > http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/dds.htm > > the second row is a live link, while the first isn't. This makes a snap to go there... > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 347 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 20:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 20:40:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12508 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 20:40:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 20:40:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GnQn-0005yh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:35:13 +0000 Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.165]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GnQm-0005yb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:35:12 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.63.3b2b5b0 (16783) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:34:24 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <63.3b2b5b0.295253d0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:34:24 EST Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: long haul QSO's To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In a message dated 12/19/01 1:06:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, g3yxm@wireless.org.uk writes: << The newer versions of Outlook / IE respond to just the www prefix so both links in your example below work fine for me. >> And some of us are using e-mail clients that don't treat anything as a live link. Which, given some of the nasty bugs circulating out there lately, is probably just as well. I'd rather have to copy and paste a URL deliberately than to risk accidentally clicking on one that may not be what it pretends to be. I don't think anyone here would do such a thing deliberately, but some of the Trojans and worms out there certainly would. 73, John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22744 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 20:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 20:28:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 4084 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 20:28:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 20:28:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GnEi-0005wO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:22:44 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GnEh-0005wJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:22:43 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp243.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.243]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA31269 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:21:53 +1100 Message-ID: <004301c188cb$86ba9d00$f39a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc><5.1.0.14.0.20011217162715.00abb350@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3.0.1.16.20011218145846.2b378612@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007001c18807$c3f5d0a0$fb9a17d2@steve> Subject: Re: LF: Re: long haul QSO's - SQUID... Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:26:44 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day All, Having done a quick scratchpad analysis of SQUID, it would seem that a 3-bit, 3-tone protocol won't produce enough unique codes. Will try 4-bit, 3-tone next. The criteria I set for the sequences are pretty severe. If someone is, say, transmitting a sequence of ABC then running this continuously produces a sequence of ...ABCABCABCABCA... This means that if someone only gets a three-tone snippet of the transmission, then sequences CAB and BCA can't be used by other transmitters as they would be ambiguous with the ABC sequence. This rapidly eliminates candidate sequences. I was discussing this idea with my son (trying to get him intrigued enough so that he would write some program to allow automatic generation and selection of sequences :-) and he remarked that it was like trying to assign an unique "genetic" sequence to each transmitter and "splicing" an operational/signal report mode sequence onto that transmitter "genetic" sequence. Good analogy. Maybe it should be called GENIE - for GENetic IdEnt :-) He also suggested that instead of "splicing" two sequences for station ID and operational/signal report mode together, it might shorten the sequences to combine them into one unique sequence. Mmmm.... Good idea, except I remarked to him that I am already in territory that few will want to go and that extra step in decoding would not be attractive. As Bob Vernall has indicated a "temporary" call register for ID sequences should not cause too much angst. On the LWCA site there has been information about beacons for LowFer, MedFer and HiFer beacon for a long time giving information about location, frequency, mode, operator, one to five character ID, etc. A similar table maintained somewhere on the Web with an extra field giving the n-bit, n-tone sequence shouldn't be onerous. Bob also points out that this idea is not without precedent if you consider the single "Q" sent by himself instead of "ZL6QH" as a station ID. That transmission took 5-bits. I hope to get a total of 8-bits to transmit an unique station ID and operational/signal report mode. If this idea is feasible one of the things that might need to be decided is the number of required station IDs. Taking the LWCA list as an indicator, the LowFer list has some 60 odd participants. So the absolute upper limit would be, say, 60. Accounting for willingness to move away from QRSSS and other modes would surely reduce that to less than half (30). Taking into account interest, motivation, inertia, NIH and difficulty factors - I would be surprised if there was a need for more than 15 (more likely 10) as a maximum. I will initially try for sequences assuming 20 station IDs (these could be re-used or re-assigned for different bands). 73s Steve Olney (VK2ZTO/AXSO - QF56IK : Lat -33 34 07, Long +150 44 40) ============================================= HomePage URL: http://www.zeta.org.au/~ollaneg Containing:- ULF, ELF, VLF & LF Experimentation MF 22m Experimentation InfraSonic Experimentation Laser Comms DX ============================================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8456 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 20:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 20:24:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14449 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 19:00:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 19:00:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gluq-0005gZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:58:08 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Glup-0005gU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:58:07 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.110.6]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:58:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3C212A07.D3130C2C@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:00:08 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73.8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: CFH transmitting now on73.8 kHz 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16931 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 20:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 20:16:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 13011 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 18:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 18:30:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GlM0-0005ZL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:22:08 +0000 Received: from mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.138]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GlLz-0005Z9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:22:07 +0000 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.178.106]) by mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20011219182048.GQMD21293.mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:20:48 +1300 Message-ID: <001f01c188ba$6fd7e900$6ab21bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc> <5.1.0.14.0.20011217162715.00abb350@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <007101c1873f$8cf461c0$e09a17d2@steve> Subject: Re: LF: long haul QSO's Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:23:58 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, I have not had time to go over all bulletins in detail, but I have a summary contribution to make from what I have seen: - for hardware, there are attractions in having only one tone transmitted at any time (more ways of making modulators and PAs). - having a succinct QSO format is essential - having a register of (short) call sign IDs saves much time (at ZL6QH, sending Q is obviously more effective than sending ZL6QH, in any code) - a call sign register could be "temporary" as a way of satisfying demand from say 3 or 4 bit ID codes. - having a "sticky beak" mode for Argo monitoring by other than the QSO participants gives more interest to LF DXing 73, Bob From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16276 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 20:11:32 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 20:11:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7784 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 18:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 18:24:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GlLM-0005Z6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:21:28 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GlLL-0005Z1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:21:27 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16GlKb-0006d2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:20:41 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16GlKb-0002Wd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:20:41 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011219180500.00b14008@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:20:39 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: List restrictions In-reply-to: <3C20C9C3.8AFFC6B4@usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Alberto, LF Group I think the limit is only about 30kB. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU At 18:09 19/12/2001 +0100, you wrote: >Is there a maximum size for the messages sent to this list ? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9193 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 20:05:34 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 20:05:34 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: High Received: (qmail 9725 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 16:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 16:02:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gj8C-00058g-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:59:44 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gj8A-00058b-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:59:43 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBJFwtt12535 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:58:55 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA04667 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:58:47 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:58:45 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0FD@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: lf Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:58:43 +0100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John.... OK, confirm...I'll run my station from 2200Z until 0600Z. I'll transmitt a serial of "TW". Good luck... 73 de Rich -----Original Message----- From: John Currie [mailto:john.currie@ns.sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 4:52 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: lf Hi Rich Sri Last night was watching 72.4 Tonight starting 2200Z will watch 135.922 60 sec dots. That is in about 7 hours . Time now 1600Z 19 dec 73 de John VE1ZJ Gasparik Richard wrote: > Hi John.... > > I'll be transmitting tonight on 135.922kHz starting 2300Z until > 0600Z QRSS60. > > Best regards... > > 73 de Rich OM2TW > > -----Original Message----- > From: john currie [mailto:john.currie@ns.sympatico.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:46 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: lf > > Hi Will anyone be transmitting tonight? > 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24564 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 19:40:20 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 19:40:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26095 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 19:09:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 19:09:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gm4h-0005k6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:08:19 +0000 Received: from rabacal.direct.ca ([199.60.229.8]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gm4f-0005k0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:08:18 +0000 Received: from bc-van-mut-a53-10-184.look.ca ([216.66.146.184]) by rabacal.direct.ca with smtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 16Gm3r-0000S4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:07:27 -0800 X-Sender: eldridge@direct.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Bob Eldridge " Subject: Re: LF: Re: long haul QSO's Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:07:27 -0800 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >When writing URLs in an email message, please prefix them with http:// >Look here the difference : > www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/dds.htm > http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/dds.htm > >the second row is a live link, while the first isn't. This makes a snap to go there... Using an old Netscape I have been in the habit of not typing either the http or the www, assuming the software fills in those prefixes. Have I been missing something? Bob VE7BS From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17682 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 18:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 18:07:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8590 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 15:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 15:51:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GitE-000541-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:44:16 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GitC-00053i-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:44:15 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.96.4]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:43:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3C20B78B.6E0E0E88@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:51:40 -0400 From: "John Currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: lf References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0FC@btss103a.swh.sk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Rich Sri Last night was watching 72.4 Tonight starting 2200Z will watch 135.922 60 sec dots. That is in about 7 hours . Time now 1600Z 19 dec 73 de John VE1ZJ Gasparik Richard wrote: > Hi John.... > > I'll be transmitting tonight on 135.922kHz starting 2300Z until > 0600Z QRSS60. > > Best regards... > > 73 de Rich OM2TW > > -----Original Message----- > From: john currie [mailto:john.currie@ns.sympatico.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:46 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: lf > > Hi Will anyone be transmitting tonight? > 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26910 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 17:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 17:53:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2210 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 17:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 17:12:29 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GkET-0005L6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:10:17 +0000 Received: from e31.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.129]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GkES-0005Kz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:10:16 +0000 Received: from westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.140.22]) by e31.co.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA59534 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:06:38 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss4.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.69]) by westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBJH9PJ137882 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:09:25 -0700 Message-ID: <3C20C9C3.8AFFC6B4@usa.net> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:09:23 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LF Mailing List" Subject: LF: List restrictions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Is there a maximum size for the messages sent to this list ? I posted a few hours ago a message with a clip of the capture of the transmission of OM2TW yesterday evening, and of that of G3LDO the other evening, but nothing has shown up until now. The message size was about 47 kB. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19803 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 17:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 17:50:04 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27016 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 15:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 15:51:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Giui-00054Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:45:48 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Giuh-00054I-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:45:47 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.96.4]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:45:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3C20B82A.ECA4166A@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:54:19 -0400 From: "John Currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: F6BWO loc ? References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0E5@btss103a.swh.sk> <3C207A39.3ED57724@netscapeonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Mal, Jack VE1ZZ is still QRV 136 kHz. His fone # 1-902 889 2859 73 de John VE1ZJ gii3kev wrote: > Hello Rich > Loc for F6BWO - JN28NC > 73 De Mal/G3KEV > > Gasparik Richard wrote: > > > Hi LF-ers... > > > > Anybody knows F6BWO locator ? > > > > Thanks... > > > > 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21274 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 15:16:53 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 15:16:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8213 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 15:16:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 15:16:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GiEG-0004wS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:01:56 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GiEE-0004w9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:01:54 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBJF0wt09821 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:00:58 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA00731 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:00:49 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:00:47 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0FC@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: lf Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:00:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John.... I'll be transmitting tonight on 135.922kHz starting 2300Z until 0600Z QRSS60. Best regards... 73 de Rich OM2TW -----Original Message----- From: john currie [mailto:john.currie@ns.sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:46 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: lf Hi Will anyone be transmitting tonight? 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20404 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 14:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 14:57:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22316 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 14:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 14:57:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gi3O-0004si-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:50:42 +0000 Received: from e24.nc.us.ibm.com ([32.97.136.230] helo=outside) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gi3M-0004sd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:50:41 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by outside (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10698 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:47:00 -0600 Received: from usa.net (ss4.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.69]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBJEnlS53030 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:49:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3C20A8C3.36F3AD6E@usa.net> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:48:35 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: long haul QSO's References: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C66D@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Talbot Andrew wrote: > [...] > So let Windoze just drive the serial port as it seems to still be able to do > (how long will that last ?) and use a PIC to turn the 8 bit words into > useful functions. > [...] I am afraid the biggest threat for serial comms is coming not from Bill, but from laptop manufacturers... I have recently seen laptops of the low end of the price range which didn't have a serial port... in the sake of pennies saving, I suppose... In this moment the most sure bet seems to be that on the printer port... which moreover gives the 8 bit words without resorting to a PIC, though some logic glue will nevertheless be required. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24771 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 14:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 14:36:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5288 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 14:36:29 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 14:36:29 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Ghke-0004oZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:31:20 +0000 Received: from cmailenv1.svr.pol.co.uk ([213.218.77.53]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Ghkd-0004oU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:31:19 +0000 Received: from [62.21.148.76] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16Ghjr-0006Yt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:30:33 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011219152745.009e53c0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:31:41 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" Subject: LF: Lost message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear OM,

Some days ago I received a message with a question on a German spy set. Unfortunately I lost the message due to a breakdown of my computer.
I don't remember wether it came direct or via the reflector. If the sender of the message reads this please repeat your request.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3952 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 14:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 14:29:35 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 16884 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 14:29:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 14:29:36 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GhdC-0004mu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:23:38 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GhdA-0004mp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:23:36 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id OAA20545; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:31:55 GMT Received: (qmail 17873 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 15:12:51 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 15:12:51 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id OAA20733; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:44:38 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma020731; Wed, 19 Dec 01 14:44:27 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:28:04 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:22:38 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C66D@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Re: long haul QSO's Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:22:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: But for every annoyance Gates and Co. introduce to operating systems, some other hardware manufacturer comes along with a new device to help. A new PIC device, the 16F628, has come along as a replacement for that old PIC workhorse, the 16F84. It is pin and functionaly compatible with the 16F84, has more memory and its greatest advantage, a built in UART. So now even simpler serial comms becomes possible in a PIC without tying up the code just polling or sending RS232 characters. The 16F628 is also cheaper than the 16F84 ! So let Windoze just drive the serial port as it seems to still be able to do (how long will that last ?) and use a PIC to turn the 8 bit words into useful functions. There is another PIC device, the 16C745 which has a USB core included, ready for when even the serial port becomes obsolete on PCs. The data sheet for this device is available from the Microchip website, but when I enquired of it about a year ago, the devices themselves did not seem to be available yet. Andy G4JNT >From Alberto ....... I don't have handy in this moment the API Reference, but I am afraid that the old trick used with the good, old DOS of using the status lines of the serial port as parallel output lines is not available when working with Windows. With Bill's baby, the only possible use of the serial port is that of, well, a "serial port" :-) , unless I stand corrected after having perused the APIs. If you need parallel output lines, then the printer port seems to be the only choice, unless you put an UART or a shift register connected to the serial port. I don't have enough info on the USB port to be able to comment on this latter. But, if you don't need to transmit more than one frequency at the same time, the 8 data bits of the parallel port allow for 256 tones, which should suffice. -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26353 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 12:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 12:44:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 111 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 12:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 12:43:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gfz6-0004Y1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:38:08 +0000 Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com ([32.97.136.229] helo=outside) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gfz4-0004Xw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:38:06 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by outside (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA122752 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 06:34:27 -0600 Received: from usa.net (ss4.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.69]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBJCbCS85212 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:37:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3C2089B0.8ED33C67@usa.net> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:36:00 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: long haul QSO's References: <3c.16616b1e.29513727@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G0MRF@aol.com wrote: > Hi. If you want to save a lot of frustration, I had a local company make some boards based on > Johan's design. We also added a simple BPSK modulator. > > www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/dds.htm > Hi David and the group, may I make a small and humble suggestion for all the group? When writing URLs in an email message, please prefix them with http:// Look here the difference : www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/dds.htm http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/dds.htm the second row is a live link, while the first isn't. This makes a snap to go there... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20789 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 12:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 12:36:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9528 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 12:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 12:18:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gfbk-0004UY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:14:00 +0000 Received: from e22.nc.us.ibm.com ([32.97.136.228]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gfbh-0004UT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:13:58 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e22.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA58466 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 06:10:07 -0600 Received: from usa.net (ss4.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.69]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBJCCgS179382 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:12:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3C2083F3.E716ECC@usa.net> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:11:31 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: long haul QSO's References: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc><5.1.0.14.0.20011217162715.00abb350@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3.0.1.16.20011218145846.2b378612@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007001c18807$c3f5d0a0$fb9a17d2@steve> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Steve Olney wrote: > [....] > Alberto - a question for you. How many lines can you set/reset reliably > from a serial port ? This would set the maximum number of tone > frequencies. > > 73s Steve Olney (VK2ZTO/AXSO - QF56IK : Lat -33 34 07, Long +150 44 40) Steve and the group, I don't have handy in this moment the API Reference, but I am afraid that the old trick used with the good, old DOS of using the status lines of the serial port as parallel output lines is not available when working with Windows. With Bill's baby, the only possible use of the serial port is that of, well, a "serial port" :-) , unless I stand corrected after having perused the APIs. If you need parallel output lines, then the printer port seems to be the only choice, unless you put an UART or a shift register connected to the serial port. I don't have enough info on the USB port to be able to comment on this latter. But, if you don't need to transmit more than one frequency at the same time, the 8 data bits of the parallel port allow for 256 tones, which should suffice. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23561 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 12:08:05 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 12:08:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9440 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 11:49:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 11:49:25 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gf99-0004OL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:44:27 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Gf8z-0004OF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:44:18 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBJBhTt30600 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:43:29 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA14544 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:43:21 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:43:18 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0F4@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: F6BWO loc ? Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:43:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thanks to all for informations... 73 de Rich OM2TW -----Original Message----- From: gii3kev [mailto:gii3kev@netscapeonline.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:30 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: F6BWO loc ? Hello Rich Loc for F6BWO - JN28NC 73 De Mal/G3KEV Gasparik Richard wrote: > Hi LF-ers... > > Anybody knows F6BWO locator ? > > Thanks... > > 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17303 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 11:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 11:39:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1273 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 11:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 11:39:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GevK-0004LK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:30:10 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GevJ-0004LE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:30:09 +0000 Received: from ldsas02-66-117-55.cw-visp.com ([212.137.117.55] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16GekO-000304-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:18:53 +0000 Message-ID: <3C207A39.3ED57724@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:30:01 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: F6BWO loc ? References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0E5@btss103a.swh.sk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Rich Loc for F6BWO - JN28NC 73 De Mal/G3KEV Gasparik Richard wrote: > Hi LF-ers... > > Anybody knows F6BWO locator ? > > Thanks... > > 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9178 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 11:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 11:26:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 11235 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 11:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 11:21:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Geh8-0004HQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:15:30 +0000 Received: from fep02.swip.net ([130.244.199.130] helo=fep02-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Geh7-0004HK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:15:29 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([212.151.13.77]) by fep02-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20011219111443.DSUL12467.fep02-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:14:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c1887e$685bfb80$4d0d97d4@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C66B@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> Subject: LF: Re: Re: long haul QSO's Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:34:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Andy, it sounds like you are preparing to receive UTC synchronized BPSK QRPppp... LF signals from Sweden? :-) > I'm in the midde of some low power, coherent, GPS locked >signalling tests on LF at the moment. Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10776 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 11:15:03 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 11:15:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8691 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 11:14:53 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 11:14:53 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GeUT-0004G0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:02:25 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GeUP-0004Fv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:02:21 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBJB1Xt28041 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:01:33 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA11002 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:01:24 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:01:22 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0F1@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" Subject: LF: Any copy ? Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:01:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John and LF-ers... I transmitted last nigth on 135.922 kHz with QRSS60 since 2130Z until 0600Z. Anybody copied my signal ? Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8382 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 00:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 00:24:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21765 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 00:24:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 00:24:46 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GUTd-000364-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 00:20:53 +0000 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.36]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GUTc-00035z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 00:20:52 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.3c.16616b1e (4530) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:19:51 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.16616b1e.29513727@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:19:51 EST Subject: Re: LF: Re: long haul QSO's To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 12/18/01 7:09:21 PM GMT Standard Time, DL4YHF@aol.com writes:


Johan (SM6LKM) has a nice and simple DDS board which looks perfect for this job, and -much to my surprise- the AD9832 is easily available in this country, about 10 Euro's per chip. Unfortunately, the AD9832 is only available in SMD TSSOP(!) case which is not very "veroboard-friendly".
A first attempt to make a home-etched PCB failed because the copper strips are too thin (and my printer too bad). Making a few cuts into the copper with a knife may be a better solution, I will try this in the short xmas vacation.



Hi.  If you want to save a lot of frustration, I had a local company make some boards based on Johan's design. We also added a simple BPSK modulator.

www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/dds.htm

73

David  G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17503 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 22:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 22:51:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 3503 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 22:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 22:51:31 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GT2V-0002lm-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:48:47 +0000 Received: from tvout.mail.uk.easynet.net ([194.6.96.5]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GT2T-0002lf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:48:45 +0000 Received: from erica (tnt-6-43.easynet.co.uk [195.40.201.43]) by tvout.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D9AF362D72 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:47:58 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000f01c18816$5b5771c0$2eca28c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C1FE33F.3E59E9C1@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: Re: lf Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:49:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: > Hi Will anyone be transmitting tonight? > 73 de John VE1ZJ I have just put the transmitter on QRSS90. The frequency counter reports 72.4008kHz. will stay on until after 2359 and later if I get any encouraging feedback. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7161 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 22:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 22:30:47 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21814 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 22:30:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 22:30:38 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GShc-0002gl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:27:12 +0000 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.161]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GShb-0002gg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:27:11 +0000 Received: from DJ1RL@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.a0.1f55b110 (4355) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:26:15 -0500 (EST) From: DJ1RL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:26:14 EST Subject: Re: LF: Re: F6BWO loc ? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit The Locator from F6BWO is JN28NC
73 DJ1RL Theo From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18627 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 21:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 21:23:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 11084 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 21:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 21:23:28 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GRcC-0002V7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:17:32 +0000 Received: from [212.204.115.10] (helo=hugo.fen-net.de ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GRcA-0002V2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:17:31 +0000 Received: from DEFAULT (dialin-nbg-081.fen-net.de [212.204.116.81]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA07163 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:18:44 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <008501c1880a$32e1e4c0$5174ccd4@DEFAULT> From: "Walter" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 73k/136k Last night Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:43:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id WAA07163 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Lieber Fabian, danke für die Info. Habe wohl die Zugehörigkeiten falsch gesehen. Macht nichts, werde den Ali direkt anschreiben. Schade, dass es mit QRSS3 nicht geklappt hat und dass ich wohl nicht aufmerksam genug war. Wo ist Dein QTH? Ich meine, es müsste mit 10mW EIRP gehen. Wenn Du gern einen Test hättest, rufe mich doch einfach an: 09134-7568 73 Walter -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fabian Kurz An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Montag, 17. Dezember 2001 16:53 Betreff: Re: LF: 73k/136k Last night >Moin Walter, > >ich bin (leider) nicht bei DF2BC/P dabeigewesen! Der Alfred ist nochmal knapp >200km nördlich von mir ;) > >73, Fabian dj1yfk > >ps.: hab dich letztes wochenende in QRSS3 gesehen, leider keine antwort auf >meinen ruf (hr ca. 10mW erp nur).. awds! > >Walter schrieb: > >> Lieber Fabian, >> im Zusammenhang mit Euren Leuchtturm-Versuchen kam mir eine Idee. Euer >> starkes Signal, Eure Lage weit nordwestlich in DL, Eure excellente Antenne >> sowie Eure "Füsse im Wasser" prädestinieren Euch für Transatlantikversuche. >> Wie denkt Ihr darüber? Ich weiß nicht, wieviel Leistung Ihr habt, vielleicht >> kann man noch mehr aufbringen und die Antenne noch verlängern usw. Wäre doch >> toll, wenn wir das von DL aus auch schaffen würden. >> 73 Walter DJ2LF >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Fabian Kurz >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Datum: Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2001 14:07 >> Betreff: Re: LF: 73k/136k Last night >> >> >Ko Versteeg schrieb: >> > >> >> Peter, Laurie, Jim and all >> >> >> >> 136480 Cw: OM2TW 559 >> >> 135920 Qrss: G3LDO -23.6dB >> >> 135923 Qrss: No Id -33.1dB >> >> >> > >> >I also saw the signal without ID at 135,923, keying rows of dahes, "__ >> >___ ____", a little weaker than G3LDO (he was audible here). >> >Also hrd OM2TW (weak but copyable), M0BMU, ON7YD, PA0BWL yesterday >> >evening and worked DJ5DI in normal-CW today. Still waiting for DF2BC/p >> >... >> >Nothing seen on 72 so far.. >> > >> >73, Fabian dj1yfk >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10999 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 21:09:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 21:09:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 14424 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 21:09:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 21:09:09 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GRRR-0002Sg-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:06:25 +0000 Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.175]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GRRQ-0002Sb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:06:24 +0000 Received: from modem-123.lyre-tailed-anthias.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.39.123] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16GRQh-0000Ma-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:05:39 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c18807$da0cb8e0$7b27893e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73kHz Beacon Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:05:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I wont be transmitting tonight, need some sleep Hi !. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 400 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 21:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 21:06:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 1419 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 21:06:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 21:06:39 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GRMd-0002RW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:01:27 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GRMb-0002RR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:01:25 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp251.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.251]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA19748 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:00:37 +1100 Message-ID: <007001c18807$c3f5d0a0$fb9a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc><5.1.0.14.0.20011217162715.00abb350@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3.0.1.16.20011218145846.2b378612@pb623250.kuleuven.be> Subject: Re: LF: Re: long haul QSO's Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:04:54 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day All, Having had some time to think about the 7-tone scheme (I travel 3 hours a day to work), I must confess to having gone a little cold on the idea. There are a number of things, but they basically arise from the observation of conditions which exist at the bleeding edge of long haul efforts. Using the example of the furthest positive "identification" (carefully side-stepping the QSO minefield) of Bob Vernall's (ZL2CA) 136kHz transmissions, the "opening" time available is well below the 60-80 minutes needed for a QSO. There is simply no time to calibrate on a space as was suggested. When I consider all the prerequisites and calibration requirements of the 7-tone scheme, then I look at Wanjina (FDK), where absolute calibration is not required and "bang", in one 60 second burst of two simultaneous tone, you get the character, I remember why I have persisted with my Wanjina system for so long. OK, so I am biassed :-) However, having successfully had a 2mW EIRP signal decoded over a distance of 15,000km using Wanjina in the noisy and QRM ridden ISM band (13.555450Mhz) I think I am entitled to be biassed. The signal was only known to be be in a range of +/-10Hz, no time synchronisation was used, no super accurate calibration of the soundcard was required apart from ensuring that the Wanjina signal was contained somewhere on the Argo screen. I have a further suggestion to make. I preface this suggestion with Rik's clarification. The suggestion is not a replacement for the tried and true methods, but a tool to search out the limits of the medium we are playing with. For those pioneering efforts (like Bob Vernall's (ZL2CA) crossing of the Pacific on 136kHz) a super specialised scheme is justified. Here goes. The first stage of laying the tracks down for others to follow in any pioneering effort is not to lay down a highway, but simply to establish a link, however tenuous. Explorers, to establish that they had indeed made the journey often just left a marker (sometimes just a pile of stones) to verify the feat. Most of these pioneering efforts (but not all) have used beacons to establish the parameters. The first stage of receiving a beacon is to simply unequivocably identify it. This technique has long been used in navigation. Lighthouses don't send morse code or a callsign, they send a unique flash pattern which unambiguously identifies that "beacon". I suggest that we adopt the same idea. I propose a three "dot" 3-tone sequential protocol which does not attempt to transmit the alphabet, but simply to identify the transmitting station plus the TMO reporting system. Beacons would only transmit the the ID part, those calling for a QSO could transmit the ID plus a CQ code, those engaged in a QSO could transmit the ID part plus a TMO part. The sequences must be chosen such that when they are run end to end (no spaces anywhere) they can be unambiguously identified. This ambiguity should extend to both beaconing sequences and QSO sequences. This would mean having to throw away some sequences. This may mean that a three "dot" 3-tone protocol may not have enough unique sequences to cover the expected number of participating stations plus TMO and CQ codes and would have to be extended to either more "dots" or more tones. The barest minimum should be aimed for to allow wider spacing of tones on a given resolution Argo screen and to minimise elapsed time for the unique identification of the station (to take advantage of the short opening times on the long hauls). The codes should still be much easier to decode by eye than a 7-tone system. I haven't had time to do the necessary evaluation to see how many unique and also sequentially unambiguous codes are available from a 3 "dot" 3-tone system, but it would need to cover 4-info codes (TMO + CQ) and a limited number of station IDs (5, 10, 15... ?). I will try and do this on the weekend or before. I suspect a 3 "dot" 3-tone scheme will not have enough unique sequences. However, even a 4 "dot" scheme would only take 8 minutes to send the an ID plus TMO or CQ code using 60 second dots. I will call this scheme "SQUID" for "Super QUick ID" :-) Comments ? Alberto - a question for you. How many lines can you set/reset reliably from a serial port ? This would set the maximum number of tone frequencies. 73s Steve Olney (VK2ZTO/AXSO - QF56IK : Lat -33 34 07, Long +150 44 40) ============================================= HomePage URL: http://www.zeta.org.au/~ollaneg Containing:- ULF, ELF, VLF & LF Experimentation MF 22m Experimentation InfraSonic Experimentation Laser Comms DX ============================================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28484 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 20:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 20:35:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9601 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 20:35:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 20:35:49 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GQuE-0002Jn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:32:06 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GQuD-0002Ji-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:32:05 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.6.47]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:44:54 -0400 Message-ID: <3C1FE33F.3E59E9C1@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:45:51 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: lf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Will anyone be transmitting tonight? 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18438 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 19:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 19:39:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 2313 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 19:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 19:39:07 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GQ1M-0002A5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:35:24 +0000 Received: from excalibur.skynet.be ([195.238.3.135]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GQ1L-00029z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:35:23 +0000 Received: from mh70i ([62.4.217.29]) by excalibur.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.16) with SMTP id fBIJY2805527 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:34:03 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <000701c187fb$213ef640$1dd9043e@mh70i> From: "DE BONDT WERNER" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0E5@btss103a.swh.sk> Subject: LF: Re: F6BWO loc ? Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:35:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Rich The locator for F6BWO is JN28NC from QSL MARRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL ON6ND Werner ----- Original Message ----- From: Gasparik Richard To: Rsgb_Lf_Group (E-mail) Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:04 AM Subject: LF: F6BWO loc ? > > Hi LF-ers... > > Anybody knows F6BWO locator ? > > Thanks... > > 73 de Rich OM2TW > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22009 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 19:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 19:10:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12869 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 19:10:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 19:10:03 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GPYo-00025b-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:05:54 +0000 Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.106]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GPYn-00025W-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:05:53 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.49.15893128 (18404) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:05:05 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <49.15893128.2950ed60@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:05:04 EST Subject: LF: Re: long haul QSO's To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10504 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi group,

How about using a simple AD9832 DDS programmed directly via serial interface from the PC, and -if necessary- a PIC to convert standard RS232 frames into the DDS's format ?

Johan (SM6LKM) has a nice and simple DDS board which looks perfect for this job, and -much to my surprise- the AD9832 is easily available in this country, about 10 Euro's per chip. Unfortunately, the AD9832 is only available in SMD TSSOP(!) case which is not very "veroboard-friendly".
A first attempt to make a home-etched PCB failed because the copper strips are too thin (and my printer too bad). Making a few cuts into the copper with a knife may be a better solution, I will try this in the short xmas vacation.

A PC program (in Basic, Pascal, "C", under DOS, Windoze or whatever) could be easily made because re-programming the DDS would not be time-critical as I see it (or are we talking about a very "coherent" mode ?)

Looking forward to meet you on air soon.


GL, and merry Christmas

 Wolf  DL4YHF.

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28815 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 18:44:55 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 18:44:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6142 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 18:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 18:44:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GPA6-00020j-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:40:22 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GPA5-00020e-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:40:21 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16GP9M-0001cB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:39:36 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16GP9M-0005AZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:39:36 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011218171734.00afc740@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:39:31 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: Weekend activity In-reply-to: <3C1E8B80.19B8A196@ns.sympatico.ca> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011217150947.00ab6848@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 19:19 17/12/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Jim I am planning my transmitting station . Could you send me details >of your >ant? > Is it end Fed/ Is it a vertical? What is ground system > I could set up a long sloping wire 4 meters high at fed end 13 > mtr high >at far end es 80 meters long. How does that sound? Dear John, In the daytime, my ant is a simple inverted L about 8.5m high on average and with a 40m long single top wire. At night, when the neighbors can't see, I prop it up in the middle with a 13m pole to produce an inverted V 13m high in the middle, 10m at the ends. This increases the radiated signal by about 4dB. The downlead is still connected to the end of the V; I don't think it matters terribly much where it is fed. The loading coil lives in a shelter with a timber frame covered in polythene sheeting at the bottom end of the downlead. After some experiments, I found that having the loading coil outside several yards from the house reduced the losses by a dB or two. The ground system is currently about 8 x I metre long ground rods scattered around the feed end, plus the house wiring and plumbing. More than about 6 rods seems to make very little difference - the ground here is wet clay, and seems to be fairly easy to make a good connection to; probably the same would not be true of sand or rocky soils. The desirable objective with LF antennas is to get the high current parts as high up as possible - a concern with your proposed wire the part that is 4m high will effectively rob current from the higher part of the wire, and will increase losses while reducing the radiated signal. A couple of suggestions are: -Use some kind of temporary support at the 4m end - even using a simple length of timber as a temporary way to increase the height by a few meters will help a lot. -Have the downlead in the middle of the span, replace the 4m high end of the wire with rope, and have a shorter top loading wire section from the middle of the span to the higher support. This will increase the effective height, and in theory should give about 2-3dB more radiated signal, although you will need a bigger loading coil to make up for the reduced capacitance, and the feed point will be in a less convenient place, so you would need to put the loading coil in a box with some sort of remote tuning. Or do both of course - Having said all that, my first LF antenna was only about 5m high on average, and using 100W I was able to get around Europe on QRSS fairly easily, so it would definitely be worth your going ahead if you end up using the wire as originally suggested. Good luck, I'm sure you will have plenty of people looking for your signal. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17629 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 17:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 17:19:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 19775 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 17:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 17:19:46 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GNjw-0001qx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:09:16 +0000 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.211]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GNju-0001qs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:09:14 +0000 Received: from modem-53.longnose-hawk.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.38.53] helo=g3aqc) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16GNjB-0003gh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:08:29 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c187e6$b8044540$3526893e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. Long Haul QSOs Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:08:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, I am very interested in Riks proposal and look foreward to the formulation of a code. Meanwhile I am going to modify my DFCW generator to include a vari-cap diode to shift the frequency. I will then be able to adjust my dot-dash separation and hopefully be in a position to accept a 7 level code input at a later date. I am sure that with a 60/80 min QSO time there will be many opportunities on 136 . 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18741 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 16:01:33 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 16:01:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7573 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 16:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 16:01:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GMbK-0001fp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:56:18 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GMbI-0001fk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:56:17 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16GMaZ-0000Fy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:55:31 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16GMaY-00032h-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:55:30 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011218144613.00a88f00@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:55:28 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: Re: long haul QSO's In-reply-to: <3C1F2BA3.77F542DE@usa.net> References: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc> <5.1.0.14.0.20011217162715.00abb350@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 12:42 18/12/2001 +0100, you wrote: >Hello James and the group, > what you all think about the best method of generating multiple, > sequential >frequencies from an LF transmitter? It depends what your starting point is... There seems to be essentially 3 types of 136kHz TX exciter around: 1) Oscillator/Synthesiser/DDS etc generating output direct on 136kHz - in this case a simple hardware interface makes it easy to home-brew a suitable modulator. 2) Some people have linear transverter systems, eg. using an existing HF SSB rig with or without an external frequency conversion - in which case generating the multiple FSK tones at some convenient audio frequency using the sound card would be the simplest implementation. 3)Several people use the HF rig as an LF VFO by dividing the output frequency digitally from say 13.6MHz to 136k. In this case, the sound card could again be used; to get 0.1Hz spacing at LF, the spacing between tones fed into the mic input would then be increased to 10Hz. Personally, I would be biased towards 1 - since I don't have a synthesised HF transceiver, and am happy to build the necessary hardware, which experience shows will probably give the best possible performance with the minimum overall cost and complexity. The hardware interface gives the maximum flexibility to the radio equipment designer - if you wanted to make your own LF synthesiser, it would be easy to use, while trying to do something with some audio tones coming from a sound card would be difficult and messy. It also avoids all the headaches of trying to calibrate out frequency errors caused by sound card and HF rig, which has been such a hassle for many people with WOLF. However, I'm sure those who are happily using the HF rigs they already have as LF exciters will see it differently. I'm sure both methods would be used. >P.S. Which is more correct in English : "thanks for any >reply" or "thanks for >any replies" ?? The two forms seem to be both used... I'm not sure, but I think "replies" is better, since you would be hoping for more than one reply! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU P.S. While on this subject, can anybody suggest PSK31 software that has the phase keying signal as a hardware output? I'd quite like to try this with my TX in BPSK mode. 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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7274 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 15:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 15:14:12 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 19935 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 15:13:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 15:13:00 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GLtD-0001Yv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:10:43 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GLtC-0001Yq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:10:42 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id PAA03090; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:19:02 GMT Received: (qmail 18185 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 16:00:02 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 16:00:02 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id PAA06235; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:31:53 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma006220; Tue, 18 Dec 01 15:31:29 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:14:57 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:09:33 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C66B@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: long haul QSO's Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:09:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: It's code is as good as anything, at least to start with ! I've started writing the software to drive the DDS based transmitter for this mode, just a straightforward case of adapting my SMT Hell code, bit timing and frequency spacing can be set arbitrarily. The most difficult part of writing this will be parsing the input string of ASCII characters to generate the 'special' report codes. I may just cheat and use some unused ASCII characters but it would be nice to properly translate appropriately placed 'T / M / O' 'K' 'SK' and 'CQ' entries. There will be a delay of a few days before I can transmit anything, I'm in the midde of some low power, coherent, GPS locked signalling tests on LF at the moment. Suggest people start learning the code at the moment. Reading this at 6 words per hour without resorting to a printed lookup table could be an alternative to the Muss code test for upgrading to a class A licence ! Andy G4JNT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ For example (1 = lowest tone .. 7 = highest tone) : A = 11 H = 21 O = 31 V = 41 0 = 51 7 = 61 space = 71 B = 12 I = 22 P = 32 W = 42 1 = 52 8 = 62 report 'O' = 72 C = 13 J = 23 Q = 33 X = 43 2 = 53 9 = 63 report 'M' = 73 D = 14 K = 24 R = 34 Y = 44 3 = 54 report 'T' = 74 E = 15 L = 25 S = 35 Z = 45 4 = 55 'CQ' = 75 F = 16 M = 26 T = 36 5 = 56 / = 66 final 'K' = 76 G = 17 N = 27 U = 37 6 = 57 ? = 67 final 'SK' = 77 -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1261 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 14:06:47 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 14:06:47 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26060 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 14:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 14:06:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GKpX-0001PA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:02:51 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GKpW-0001P2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:02:50 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fBIE1ZQZ112560 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:01:35 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20011218145846.2b378612@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:58:46 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Re: long haul QSO's In-reply-to: <3C1F2BA3.77F542DE@usa.net> References: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc> <5.1.0.14.0.20011217162715.00abb350@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello group, It is a pleasant surprise to see the positive reactions on the suggested "7 tone" coding. To keep things clear, this new coding is not meant to be a replacement for QRSS or DFCW, just as these modes are not a replacement for good old CW. It is just that in the recent transatlantic and transpacific tests we seem to have come to the practical limits of QRSS / DFCW, so to have succesfull QSO's at these ranges we need something more efficient. I believe that using this '7 tone' coding and a 60 sec dotlength a QSO can be completed with a period of 60 to 80 minutes. Now some suggestions : 1. Taking 2 bits/character we can code 49 characters. Beyond the obvious A-Z, 0-9 and space we might need '/' and eventually '?' (39 characters). Further efficiency can be increased is we have special codes for the report (TMO so far), for 'CQ' and for the 'K' and 'SK' at the message end (5 extra codes). For example, assume use special codes for the report 'M' and the terminating 'K' (here shown as '#' resp. '$') the transmitted text BMU TAG MM K (= 12 characters) would become BMU TAG##$ (= 10 characters, spaces before and after the report and before the final 'K' can be omitted). It would also avoid possible confusion for stations with 'MM', 'TT', 'OO', 'SK', 'CQ' etc.. in the suffix. So this comes to 44 codes (39 characters + 5 special codes) leaving still 5 possibilities open. 2. A certain 'time synchronisation' is very usefull since this makes the inter-character spacing redundant (so each character will only take 2 bits instead of 3, a 33% saving !). Assuming the this 7 tone code will be used with dotlengths of 1 minute it should not be so difficult to start a transmision always at an even minute, so any RX station knows that during the even minute the 1st bit is transmitted and during the odd minute the second bit. Alternatively 120 sec/dot can be used, starting at a multiple of 4 minutes. 3. Regarding the coding, apart from the space (= most frequent character) that would get a code that includes both the lowest an highest tone I would keep as certain 'logic' in the other codes. For example (1 = lowest tone .. 7 = highest tone) : A = 11 H = 21 O = 31 V = 41 0 = 51 7 = 61 space = 71 B = 12 I = 22 P = 32 W = 42 1 = 52 8 = 62 report 'O' = 72 C = 13 J = 23 Q = 33 X = 43 2 = 53 9 = 63 report 'M' = 73 D = 14 K = 24 R = 34 Y = 44 3 = 54 report 'T' = 74 E = 15 L = 25 S = 35 Z = 45 4 = 55 'CQ' = 75 F = 16 M = 26 T = 36 5 = 56 / = 66 final 'K' = 76 G = 17 N = 27 U = 37 6 = 57 ? = 67 final 'SK' = 77 The above is just a suggestion, maybe there are good reasons to change this coding. 4. Maybe it is usefull to agree on a certain inter-tone spacing (frequency shift), especially if we want to try machine decoding. Assuming a stability of 0.1ppm over a period of 2 hours, what is not so hard to achieve using a PLL of DDS signal source, this comes to stability of better than 0.02Hz per 2 hours on 137kHz. Further assuming a minimal dotlength of 30 seconds a minimal spacing of 0.033Hz is required. To be on the save side we could agree on a inter-tone spacing of 0.1Hz, making the signal only 0.6Hz wide. 5. In order to do some first tests, all we need it to (temporary) agree on a code, inter-tone spacing and dotlength. Further we need one (or two) brave souls who are able to adapt their transmitters and put some low power tests in the air. (hint to Andy ;-) The rest of us can use Argo or other software and try to copy and decode the test transmisions. Any comments and/or suggestions most welcome 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29825 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 13:38:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 13:38:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 520 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 13:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 13:38:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GKOO-0001K6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:34:48 +0000 Received: from e22.nc.us.ibm.com ([32.97.136.228]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GKOE-0001K0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:34:38 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e22.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19768 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:30:45 -0600 Received: from usa.net (ss2.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.67]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBIDXZA151490 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:33:35 -0500 Message-ID: <3C1F4567.5A3FA362@usa.net> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:32:23 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: long haul QSO's References: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C669@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Talbot Andrew wrote: > The parallel port would enable simple hardware to allow a crude D/A > converter for driving a VCXO, but isn't the LPT port difficult to drive > under Windoze programming ? Direct I/O to peripherals is a no-no (impossible to do, anyway...) in Windows NT, Windows 2000 and XP. But there are DLLs around that contain a VxD inside, that allow to do that, acting as proxies on the behalf of your code. > What coding are you going to use - ie. the code table and timings, - then I > can write something for driving my DDS board. > I didn't say I am going to write code just now... :-) I have a few sheets of paper filled with possible coding schemes, but still have to make up my mind, there are many variables in the whole picture... but will keep you informed. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 681 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 13:15:39 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 13:15:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4574 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 13:11:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 13:11:23 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GJug-0001Fd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:04:06 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GJuf-0001FM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:04:05 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fBID2nQZ079088 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:02:49 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20011218140000.08b7d00e@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:00:00 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: testgear recovery In-reply-to: <000d01c187b2$2ad64b20$aa28fc3e@p.cleal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >All the electronics has a mixture of rust from the case and white deposit >from the battery on some components and eating into the Ali chassis. Does >anyone have any useful recovery actions I can use. >thanks Peter, I have read somewhere that the white powder that comes from a leaking battery becomes even more agressive in contact with water. I suggest to remove as much of this powder as possible using a fan (hairdryer), best done in the open. Then remove the remaining powder with a solvent (ethanol ?). For what it is worth .. 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10064 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 13:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 13:09:46 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 16643 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 12:53:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 12:53:06 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GJdm-0001BM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:46:38 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GJdl-0001BH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:46:37 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id MAA08751; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:54:57 GMT Received: (qmail 13011 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 13:35:58 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 13:35:58 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id NAA28547; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:07:49 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma028522; Tue, 18 Dec 01 13:07:25 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:50:52 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:45:29 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C669@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Re: long haul QSO's Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:45:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: The parallel port would enable simple hardware to allow a crude D/A converter for driving a VCXO, but isn't the LPT port difficult to drive under Windoze programming ? The COM port is much easier and I suggest you do both to enable someone to use a UART or shift register for times when the LPT is not available. What coding are you going to use - ie. the code table and timings, - then I can write something for driving my DDS board. Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: Alberto di Bene [mailto:dibene@usa.net] Sent: 18 December 2001 11:42 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: long haul QSO's James Moritz wrote: > -Simple TX hardware; The 7 tone multi-FSK signal could be generated using a > VCXO circuit keyed by an extremely simple interface from an 8 bit printer > port; for example, an extension of G3AQC's DFCW generator. > [...] Hello James and the group, what you all think about the best method of generating multiple, sequential frequencies from an LF transmitter? The parallel port method, just suggested by Jim Moritz, or a sine signal generated by the sound card ? Or maybe another, simpler, method ? Just asking, as you all have much greater experience than I have on putting together an LF TX. Thanks for any reply. 73 Alberto I2PHD P.S. Which is more correct in English : "thanks for any reply" or "thanks for any replies" ?? The two forms seem to be both used... -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 353 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 12:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 12:26:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12703 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 12:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 12:26:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GIfq-00010a-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:44:42 +0000 Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com ([32.97.136.227] helo=e21) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GIfp-00010V-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:44:41 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e21 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA87536 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:40:21 -0600 Received: from usa.net (ss2.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.67]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBIBhgI103300 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 06:43:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3C1F2BA3.77F542DE@usa.net> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:42:27 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: long haul QSO's References: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc> <5.1.0.14.0.20011217162715.00abb350@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: James Moritz wrote: > -Simple TX hardware; The 7 tone multi-FSK signal could be generated using a > VCXO circuit keyed by an extremely simple interface from an 8 bit printer > port; for example, an extension of G3AQC's DFCW generator. > [...] Hello James and the group, what you all think about the best method of generating multiple, sequential frequencies from an LF transmitter? The parallel port method, just suggested by Jim Moritz, or a sine signal generated by the sound card ? Or maybe another, simpler, method ? Just asking, as you all have much greater experience than I have on putting together an LF TX. Thanks for any reply. 73 Alberto I2PHD P.S. Which is more correct in English : "thanks for any reply" or "thanks for any replies" ?? The two forms seem to be both used... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19945 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 12:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 12:26:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12729 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 12:26:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 12:26:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GItT-00012f-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:58:47 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GItS-00012Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:58:46 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.113.158]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:59:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3C1F7634.8C7A422F@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:00:36 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 72.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Laurie saw you last night from 0300. Only bits es pieces until 0530Z . Then could read sigs for almost an hour. CFH at 73.8 qrt last night at around 0300. Back on this AM. Will try to get more info. Larry do You have info on this station? 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6024 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 11:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO guinness.servers.plus.net) (212.159.3.230) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 11:13:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 23919 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 11:00:43 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (212.172.148.70) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 11:00:43 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GI5z-0000uv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:07:39 +0000 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GI5x-0000uq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:07:37 +0000 Received: from host217-35-44-187.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.44.187] helo=dellboy) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16GI5E-00016Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:06:52 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c187b4$184c4840$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Subject: LF: CFH? Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:06:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear all.
 
Rugby on 73.3 seems to be off the air today and at 1100 gmt I see (and hear) a data signal centred on 73.8kHz. I's about 120Hz wide and would be readable by ear as CW, even with the antenna tuned to 136kHz. I assume this is CFH?
 
Dave Pick
G3YXM.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2821 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 10:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO guinness.servers.plus.net) (212.159.3.230) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 10:59:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 12052 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 10:46:49 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (212.172.148.70) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 10:46:49 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GHrm-0000ra-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:52:58 +0000 Received: from mta4-svc.virgin.net ([62.253.164.44]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GHri-0000rU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:52:55 +0000 Received: from p.cleal ([62.252.40.170]) by mta4-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20011218105142.JQIL299.mta4-svc.virgin.net@p.cleal> for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:51:42 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c187b2$2ad64b20$aa28fc3e@p.cleal> From: "Peter Cleall" To: "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: LF: testgear recovery Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:52:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I have just opened a piece of test gear to find that the PP3 batteries inside have disintegrated. All the electronics has a mixture of rust from the case and white deposit from the battery on some components and eating into the Ali chassis. Does anyone have any useful recovery actions I can use. thanks Hope you all have a good rest next week and a good new year. regards to all Peter G8AFN From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7840 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 09:23:51 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 09:23:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21962 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 09:23:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 09:23:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GGPl-0000e0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:19:57 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GGPj-0000dv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:19:56 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBI9J3t04831 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:19:04 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA08071 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:18:55 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:18:52 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0E7@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Re: F6BWO loc ? Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:18:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thank you Laurie and Rik... JN28NC should be OK, JN36PT is ASB. See you on... 73 de Rich OM2TW -----Original Message----- From: Rik Strobbe [mailto:rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 11:02 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: F6BWO loc ? JN36PT is HB9ASB, I believe Jeff is in JN28NC. 73, Rik ON7YD At 08:51 18/12/01 -0000, you wrote: >I have him at JN36PT. 73s Laurie. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gasparik Richard" >Hi LF-ers... >> >> Anybody knows F6BWO locator ? >> >> Thanks... >> >> 73 de Rich OM2TW >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29660 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 09:22:31 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 09:22:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26724 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 09:22:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 09:22:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GGNj-0000di-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:17:51 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GGNh-0000dd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:17:49 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBI9Gkt04626 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:16:46 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA07881 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:16:37 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:16:34 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0E6@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" Subject: LF: Another test... Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:16:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John and LF-ers... Today I'll transmitt again for the T/A test on 135.922kHz. Europeans, please check the frequency if it's realy 135.922 or I'm off the frequency ? Starting 2100Z with QRSS60. 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2951 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 09:09:30 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 09:09:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14308 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 09:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 09:09:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GGCV-0000bD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:06:15 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GGCU-0000b8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:06:14 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fBI94tQZ033158 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:04:55 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20011218100205.2bbfa226@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:02:05 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Re: F6BWO loc ? In-reply-to: <001501c187a1$4c271a40$c990883e@g3aqc> References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0E5@btss103a.swh.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: JN36PT is HB9ASB, I believe Jeff is in JN28NC. 73, Rik ON7YD At 08:51 18/12/01 -0000, you wrote: >I have him at JN36PT. 73s Laurie. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gasparik Richard" >Hi LF-ers... >> >> Anybody knows F6BWO locator ? >> >> Thanks... >> >> 73 de Rich OM2TW >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29140 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 08:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 08:54:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 639 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 08:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 08:54:56 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GFz2-0000WJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:52:20 +0000 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.171]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GFz1-0000WD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:52:19 +0000 Received: from modem-73.camlost.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.144.201] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16GFyH-0001gN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:51:34 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c187a1$4c271a40$c990883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0E5@btss103a.swh.sk> Subject: LF: Re: F6BWO loc ? Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:51:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I have him at JN36PT. 73s Laurie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gasparik Richard" Hi LF-ers... > > Anybody knows F6BWO locator ? > > Thanks... > > 73 de Rich OM2TW > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22395 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 08:51:55 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 08:51:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28058 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 08:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 08:51:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GFvq-0000VX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:49:02 +0000 Received: from rhun.esoterica.pt ([195.22.0.26]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GFvp-0000VP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:49:01 +0000 Received: from srv17slx.esoterica.pt (srv17slx.esoterica.pt [195.22.0.47]) by rhun.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBI8l9R14165 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:47:09 GMT Received: from slave-6 (por105.esoterica.pt [195.22.5.105]) by srv17slx.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fBI8l8R03749 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:47:08 GMT Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011218084755.00976c70@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Sender: brian@pop3.esoterica.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:47:55 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" Subject: Re: LF: CFH at 73.8 kHz In-reply-to: <3C1ED9FA.4E31E3B8@ns.sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John, At 00:54 18/12/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all I hope some one in Eu has been able to check out 73.8. I'm still >seeing what I suspect is another CFH at 73.8 kHz I have been seeing it >continuously for 3 hours. I tseems to be as big as CFH was last year at >137 kHz. On my web pages you will find, computer crashes allowing, spectrograms generated by SpecLab of both the 136KHz and 73KHz bands. There are also field strength and frequency of peak amplitude plots of the signals that appear regularly. Today both Rugby and CFH? (which is not a continuous signal) appear on the gram and the plots. 73, Brian 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21977 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 08:09:35 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 08:09:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25090 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 08:09:41 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 08:09:41 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GFGC-0000P9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:06:00 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GFGA-0000P4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:05:59 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBI856t32152 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:05:06 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA01709 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:04:57 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:04:54 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0E5@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" Subject: LF: F6BWO loc ? Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:04:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi LF-ers... Anybody knows F6BWO locator ? Thanks... 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28598 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 08:06:17 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 08:06:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17229 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 08:06:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 08:06:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GFDG-0000Oy-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:02:58 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GFDE-0000Ot-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:02:57 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBI821t31949 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:02:01 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA01465 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:01:53 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:01:50 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0E4@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 136 last night Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:01:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John and all LF-ers... I was QRV only very short time from saturday 1600Z until sunday 1100Z. I had some problems with the long QRSS (120s)during the T/A test on 135.922kHz. After about 2-3 minutes swithed the protection circuit my transmitter off. I don't know why, temperature, SWR and drain current was stable. Maybe some pulses from 230V...I realy don't know. Other thing...maybe I was a little bit of the frequency, because my DDS was still not calibrated. And WX ? I started with -13 Celsius outside and around 5 Celsius inside. In about 5 hours was about 15 Celsius. Sunday morning was much better weather...only -7 Celsius. I worked some new stations on CW - DK5PT, M0BMU, OH1TN, PA0BWL and F6BWO as a new one and the first ever QSO between OM and F. TX: G0MRF TX 10A at 45V with DDS driver (G0MRF project) Ant: 21m vertical with 2x26m cap. hat Thank you all for the QSOs on 136kHz. My tests will continue...dont' worry... Best dx 73 de Rich OM2TW -----Original Message----- From: john currie [mailto:john.currie@ns.sympatico.ca] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 4:57 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 last night Hi all I stayed on 136 all night looking for OM2TW . Saw nil was using 120 sec dots and didn't know Peter was on til after he shut off . I was using 120 sec dots so didn't have Peter's freq on tube. At 0300 went to 90 sec dots in case OM2tw was off freq Never saw him time now 2256 Z just saw John's prop note will look at 72.4 tonight 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25453 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 04:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 04:04:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23417 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 04:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 04:04:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GBM8-0008Se-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 03:55:52 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16GBM7-0008SZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 03:55:51 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:55:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3C1EBE1B.18BDA650@att.net> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 03:55:07 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 73 kHz 17 Dec References: <3C1ED9FA.4E31E3B8@ns.sympatico.ca> <001b01c18767$bedcb0c0$0300a8c0@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie's signal is detectable here in NC tonight. I arrived home several hours after dark so I got a late start. Noise is running about 5 db above the level I noted when Laurie's signal was Q5. A fast moving front with heavy rain just passed but there is very little QRN, just higher noise. If the noise would drop by 5 db I think Laurie's signal would be Q5. Dexter John Andrews wrote: > > Have been seeing Laurie all evening -- not overpowering, but copyable with > Argo's 120 sec/dot screen. Am presently set so that Peter would be visible, > but nothing has shown thus far. We have an ice storm in progress here, so > receiving conditions may not be optimal. Will leave it running overnight. > > John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14608 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 02:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 02:03:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 23983 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 02:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 02:03:15 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G9ZH-0008HM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:01:19 +0000 Received: from dc-mx08.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.18] helo=dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G9ZG-0008HH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:01:19 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 60197595 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:08:16 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c18767$bedcb0c0$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C1ED9FA.4E31E3B8@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: 73 kHz 17 Dec Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:00:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Have been seeing Laurie all evening -- not overpowering, but copyable with Argo's 120 sec/dot screen. Am presently set so that Peter would be visible, but nothing has shown thus far. We have an ice storm in progress here, so receiving conditions may not be optimal. Will leave it running overnight. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3768 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 01:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 01:39:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 22107 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 01:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 01:39:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G9Bl-0008Ci-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:37:02 +0000 Received: from dc-mx01.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.11] helo=dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G9Bl-0008Cd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:37:01 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 55916775 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:43:43 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c18764$57d46060$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C1ED9FA.4E31E3B8@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: Re: CFH at 73.8 kHz Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:35:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John Currie, > Hi all I hope some one in Eu has been able to check out 73.8. I'm still > seeing what I suspect is another CFH at 73.8 kHz I have been seeing it > continuously for 3 hours. I tseems to be as big as CFH was last year at > 137 kHz. I have a very loud signal here in Massachusetts, which I believe is CFH. It is centered on 73.600 kHz, with prominent lines at 73.560 and 73.640. Looks like railroad tracks on Spectran. The BW is wider than 80 Hz, but most of the signal is between those lines. W4DEX has seen the same thing. It isn't present every night -- sometimes we've only seen it in the early evening, eastern U.S. time. When it runs, I cannot use my noise blanker on 72.401, as it gets all fouled up. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18724 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 00:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 00:56:58 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2029 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 00:56:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 00:56:56 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G8Uq-00086C-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:52:40 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G8Up-000867-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:52:39 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.105.23]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:52:26 -0400 Message-ID: <3C1ED9FA.4E31E3B8@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:54:03 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: CFH at 73.8 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all I hope some one in Eu has been able to check out 73.8. I'm still seeing what I suspect is another CFH at 73.8 kHz I have been seeing it continuously for 3 hours. I tseems to be as big as CFH was last year at 137 kHz. I would like to repeat this year LF signals are not as reliable as they were last year. I believe that is because the sunspot numbers and, especially, the solar flux are far higher this december and the number of flares and K index days over 3 are more. This I believe is causing the unreliability we are seeing. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21483 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 23:13:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 23:13:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 19448 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 23:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 23:13:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G6qc-0007qV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:07:02 +0000 Received: from chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.1.67]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G6qb-0007qQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:07:01 +0000 Received: from ericadodd (tnt-13-112.easynet.co.uk [212.134.22.112]) by chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E6D31C5C5A for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:06:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000c01c18750$04708160$701686d4@ericadodd> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001501c18685$c72752e0$1f9b883e@g3aqc> <001601c1868a$9d1b37a0$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000301c18695$d3c90420$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000401c18737$3449fe20$abe186d4@ericadodd> <004c01c18741$2d542dc0$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> Subject: LF: Re: Re: 73kHz propagation monitoring Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:09:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John > It certainly could, providing that I get around to doing it on a regular > basis! Assuming that I am identifying the Rugby station properly, it > occupies about 100 Hz BW from 73.2 to 73.3 kHz. That sounds like it. It is rather wide and dirty if you live within 200miles of it. >I'll start paying more > attention to it. Unfortunately, I don't have a separate receiver to dedicate > to the task. Very few of us have!. I used a sort of slow manual time division multiplex with CFH and a wanted signal and switched to the wanted signal as and when. Some procedure for fast notification is necessary. With VE1JZ and VE1ZZ we used e-mail, telephone and HF radio. You could make a comparison say with Lauries signal and Rugby and see if they came up together. .I guess the process could be automated. Any of the LF gang got any suggestions? Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 445 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 22:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 22:15:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 26950 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 22:15:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 22:15:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G5wE-0007iY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:08:46 +0000 Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.175]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G5wD-0007iS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:08:45 +0000 Received: from modem-67.dungortheb.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.160.67] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16G5vS-0005tq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:07:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c18747$63eba560$43a0883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73kHz Beacon Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:08:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I am running tonight, I should like to see wether there is any propagation,the figures still look OK to me. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22347 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 21:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 21:28:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 24532 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 21:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 21:29:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G5FD-0007bW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:24:19 +0000 Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.188]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G5FC-0007bP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:24:18 +0000 Received: from comrex (207-172-245-7.s769.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.245.7]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n20340/mtc.v2) with SMTP id QAA14516 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:23:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004c01c18741$2d542dc0$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001501c18685$c72752e0$1f9b883e@g3aqc> <001601c1868a$9d1b37a0$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000301c18695$d3c90420$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000401c18737$3449fe20$abe186d4@ericadodd> Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz propagation monitoring Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:23:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Peter, > Could this transmission be used to monitor 73.3kHz on a regular basis? > Perhaps it has and it has somehow passed me by! It certainly could, providing that I get around to doing it on a regular basis! Assuming that I am identifying the Rugby station properly, it occupies about 100 Hz BW from 73.2 to 73.3 kHz. I'll start paying more attention to it. Unfortunately, I don't have a separate receiver to dedicate to the task. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15143 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 21:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 21:10:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 2995 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 21:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 21:10:40 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G4zj-0007YU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:08:19 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G4zh-0007YP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:08:18 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp224.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.224]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA21451 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:07:29 +1100 Message-ID: <007101c1873f$8cf461c0$e09a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc> <5.1.0.14.0.20011217162715.00abb350@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: Re: LF: long haul QSO's Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:12:05 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day Stewart, Your 7-tone suggestion is appealing to me as it is a neat hybrid of AFK (Piccolo), FDK (Wanjina) and IFK modes that I have been playing with for a couple of years now. While it uses the IFK method of transmitting two sequential tones it also uses the frequency step direction to encode information (e. g. going from tone #1 to tone #2 encodes a different character than going from tone #2 to tone #1) which IFK does not. Neat. Also, although the information is contained in the frequency difference of two tones like FDK (although sequential), an absolute reference is required (like AFK). This is necessary to distinguish between, say sequential tone pairs #2 and #3 and sequential tones #3 and #4. If the stability of the transmission (and reception) is sufficient the system could be calibrated by a space character, but I think it would be difficult to do this by eye as stated, although easy for a machine decoded system. The frequency difference nature of the protocol allows that (calibrated by, say, recognising the seqential transmission of tones #1 and #7). Anyway, go for it. If it works, set a standard (I think spacing and timing are the only parameters which need to be established) so others can develop S/W and H/W to take it forward. Good work Stewart ! 73s Steve Olney (VK2ZTO/AXSO - QF56IK : Lat -33 34 07, Long +150 44 40) ============================================= HomePage URL: http://www.zeta.org.au/~ollaneg Containing:- ULF, ELF, VLF & LF Experimentation MF 22m Experimentation InfraSonic Experimentation Laser Comms DX ============================================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16124 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 20:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 20:24:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 20182 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 20:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 20:24:45 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G4FH-0007QO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:20:19 +0000 Received: from tvrelay.mail.uk.easynet.net ([194.6.96.11]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G4FG-0007QJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:20:18 +0000 Received: from ericadodd (unknown [195.40.127.13]) by tvrelay.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B4DBE66CB5 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:19:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <001601c18738$b8c32680$abe186d4@ericadodd> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C1E8DC1.4F425E55@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: Re: 74 or 136 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:22:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: > Will anyone be transmittimg on 74 or 136 tonight? > 73 de John VE1ZJ I will transmit on 72.4005kHz, QRSS90 from 2200 to 2359UTC Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23136 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 20:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 20:16:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 10463 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 20:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 20:16:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G44t-0007OQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:09:35 +0000 Received: from tvrelay.mail.uk.easynet.net ([194.6.96.11]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G44r-0007OL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:09:34 +0000 Received: from ericadodd (tnt-18-427.easynet.co.uk [212.134.225.171]) by tvrelay.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B343C66EE1 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:08:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000401c18737$3449fe20$abe186d4@ericadodd> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001501c18685$c72752e0$1f9b883e@g3aqc> <001601c1868a$9d1b37a0$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000301c18695$d3c90420$0300a8c0@charter.net> Subject: LF: 73kHz propagation monitoring Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:12:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John Andrews, W1TAG, said: > Laurie disappeared over an hour ago, and there was no convincing sign of > Peter by that time, so I'll assume that the ionosphere has moved on to deeds > of more exalted usefulness. We just don't seem to get more than one > spectacular night at a time, which may be valuable information in its own > right. Our knowledge of propagation for 73kHz is not as good as it was for 136kHz. On the tests with John, VE1ZJ, on 136kHz we had the advantage of the CFH transmitter, which was close in frequency and path direction and length. By monitoring CFH, Alan was able to make some good predictions. In addition we were able to monitor this and inform John by HF link and therefore were able obtain instant feedback of when a good propagation peak was approaching. Laurie provides good beacon on 73kHz but only tell us what is going on above a certain level. In addition it requires considerable transmitting effort by Laurie - there might be a better way. When I switched off my transmitter last night at 0115 I received Lauries beacon at S9+5dB on the S meter. I tuned to the Rugby RTTY and it was coming in at S9+45dB. Laurie is about 15 miles to the West of me; Rugby is 100miles to the North - this will give the North American and Canadian guys some idea of the strength of the 73.3kHz transmission from Rugby. Could this transmission be used to monitor 73.3kHz on a regular basis? Perhaps it has and it has somehow passed me by! Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16877 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 19:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 19:28:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11809 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 19:28:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 19:28:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G3Ph-0007Hc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:27:01 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G3Pg-0007HX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:27:01 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.113.127]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:27:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3C1E8DC1.4F425E55@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:28:49 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 74 or 136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Will anyone be transmittimg on 74 or 136 tonight? 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3268 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 19:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 19:19:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22040 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 19:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 19:19:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G3GR-0007Fh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:17:27 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G3GQ-0007Fc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:17:26 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.113.127]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:17:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3C1E8B80.19B8A196@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:19:12 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Weekend activity References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011217150947.00ab6848@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Jim I am planning my transmitting station . Could you send me details of your ant? Is it end Fed/ Is it a vertical? What is ground system I could set up a long sloping wire 4 meters high at fed end 13 mtr high at far end es 80 meters long. How does that sound? I have license but no tx es no antenna hi 73 de John VE1ZJ James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > Was very pleased on arriving at work this morning to see that W1TAG and > W4DEX had been able to copy my 73k beacon on Saturday night - and also a > bit relieved, since my temporary mast threatens to collapse entirely at any > moment! Thanks for all the reports over the weekend and the hours people > have put in looking for signals; for the record, the set-up here was: > > TX - Homebrew 1kW, modelled on "Decca" PA module > Antenna - inv V, 40m overall length, 10m high at ends, 13m high in middle > Antenna current 3.2A, estimated ERP 110mW > Mode - QRSS120, 2:1 dash/dot ratio > Location - nr Hatfield, 25km north of London, IO91VR > > I also had a few CW QSOs on Saturday - OM2TW and DL1SAN were new ones for me. > > I stared long and hard at the spectrogram display, trying to see ZL6QH; at > one point on Saturday afternoon I thought I could see a possible signal at > the nominal dash frequency +0.05Hz, but when I looked again later I decided > it was just wishful thinking on my part. > > So as others have said, it has been a pretty good end to the year on LF, > although on the negative side, the QRM level at my QTH is noticeably worse > than at this time last year. Still, I am looking forward to the arrival of > Father Christmas, and all I need now is a 50ft long stocking for my > presents (well, there's always hope!). > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16044 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 18:05:14 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 18:05:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24881 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 18:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 18:05:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G23E-00071Y-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:59:44 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G23D-00071S-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:59:43 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16G22U-0003i0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:58:58 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16G22T-0005A0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:58:58 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011217162715.00abb350@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:58:58 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: long haul QSO's In-reply-to: <3.0.1.16.20011217144251.2d379fd6@pb623250.kuleuven.be> References: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >...Since we now have shown that is technical possible to copy our signals over >10000km and more the time might be right to develop a mode that will allow >us to make QSO's over these distances. > >73, Rik ON7YD Dear LF Group, I think this is a good idea for what could be a useful and easily implemented mode. Consider the advantages: -Potential for significant speed increase, to facillitate 2-way QSOs -"Backwards compatible" with QRSS/DFCW modes - could be copied using existing "visual"spectrogram techniques. At the same time, machine decoding could presumably be applied, perhaps enhancing reception. -Bandwidth not much greater than existing QRSS/DFCW, so easy to fit lots of signals into the band, dodge QRM etc. -Simple TX hardware; The 7 tone multi-FSK signal could be generated using a VCXO circuit keyed by an extremely simple interface from an 8 bit printer port; for example, an extension of G3AQC's DFCW generator. Since only one tone would be transmitted at a time, there would be no need for linear amplifiers or envelope shaping other than the normal click suppression. Then again, more sophisticated DSP techniques could be used if desired, or both tones transmitted simultaneously, at the expense of greater complexity. For visual copy, the frequency stability requirement would be comparable to current QRSS; provided the centre frequency of the signal drifted less than 1/2 of the tone spacing during one over there would be no ambiguity. So 0.1Hz tone spacing should be practical for most stations, judging by the signals currently seen on LF. Errors of a similar order in the individual frequency shifts could also be tolerated - for visual interpretation, the exact dot length and tone spacings would not be important, provided that care was taken to design the code so that the maximum and minimum frequencies could be identified, eg. by using the space symbol as a reference, as Rik suggests. A machine decoding system might require better accuracy for optimum performance - but could still be copied by someone using the more basic visual method. I think VK2ZTO has done work on this type of system before, including using a larger number of tones with an individual tone for each character. I guess this might give a 3dB advantage, but would make the transmitter more difficult, and I imagine trying to pick out one of 40 or 50 possible tones on the screen might be tricky for visual reception. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28217 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 16:35:03 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 16:35:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27499 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 16:35:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 16:35:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G0Yz-0006e9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:24:25 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16G0Yy-0006e4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:24:24 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16G0YG-0001Zq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:23:40 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16G0YF-0003zE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:23:39 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011217150947.00ab6848@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:23:39 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: Weekend activity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Was very pleased on arriving at work this morning to see that W1TAG and W4DEX had been able to copy my 73k beacon on Saturday night - and also a bit relieved, since my temporary mast threatens to collapse entirely at any moment! Thanks for all the reports over the weekend and the hours people have put in looking for signals; for the record, the set-up here was: TX - Homebrew 1kW, modelled on "Decca" PA module Antenna - inv V, 40m overall length, 10m high at ends, 13m high in middle Antenna current 3.2A, estimated ERP 110mW Mode - QRSS120, 2:1 dash/dot ratio Location - nr Hatfield, 25km north of London, IO91VR I also had a few CW QSOs on Saturday - OM2TW and DL1SAN were new ones for me. I stared long and hard at the spectrogram display, trying to see ZL6QH; at one point on Saturday afternoon I thought I could see a possible signal at the nominal dash frequency +0.05Hz, but when I looked again later I decided it was just wishful thinking on my part. So as others have said, it has been a pretty good end to the year on LF, although on the negative side, the QRM level at my QTH is noticeably worse than at this time last year. Still, I am looking forward to the arrival of Father Christmas, and all I need now is a 50ft long stocking for my presents (well, there's always hope!). Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14697 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 15:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 15:45:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26073 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 15:45:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 15:45:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FzvC-0006XN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:43:18 +0000 Received: from mout02.kundenserver.de ([195.20.224.133]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FzvB-0006XI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:43:17 +0000 Received: from [172.19.20.61] (helo=mrvdomng0.kundenserver.de) by mout02.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16FzuP-0003Q1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:42:29 +0100 Received: from p3e9e9cee.dip.t-dialin.net ([62.158.156.238] helo=diolog.de) by mrvdomng0.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 16FzuO-0008PA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:42:28 +0100 Message-ID: <3C1DFDAE.93D57EE@diolog.de> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:14:07 +0100 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 73k/136k Last night References: <006501c1870a$4f184d60$2474ccd4@DEFAULT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Moin Walter, ich bin (leider) nicht bei DF2BC/P dabeigewesen! Der Alfred ist nochmal knapp 200km nördlich von mir ;) 73, Fabian dj1yfk ps.: hab dich letztes wochenende in QRSS3 gesehen, leider keine antwort auf meinen ruf (hr ca. 10mW erp nur).. awds! Walter schrieb: > Lieber Fabian, > im Zusammenhang mit Euren Leuchtturm-Versuchen kam mir eine Idee. Euer > starkes Signal, Eure Lage weit nordwestlich in DL, Eure excellente Antenne > sowie Eure "Füsse im Wasser" prädestinieren Euch für Transatlantikversuche. > Wie denkt Ihr darüber? Ich weiß nicht, wieviel Leistung Ihr habt, vielleicht > kann man noch mehr aufbringen und die Antenne noch verlängern usw. Wäre doch > toll, wenn wir das von DL aus auch schaffen würden. > 73 Walter DJ2LF > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Fabian Kurz > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Datum: Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2001 14:07 > Betreff: Re: LF: 73k/136k Last night > > >Ko Versteeg schrieb: > > > >> Peter, Laurie, Jim and all > >> > >> 136480 Cw: OM2TW 559 > >> 135920 Qrss: G3LDO -23.6dB > >> 135923 Qrss: No Id -33.1dB > >> > > > >I also saw the signal without ID at 135,923, keying rows of dahes, "__ > >___ ____", a little weaker than G3LDO (he was audible here). > >Also hrd OM2TW (weak but copyable), M0BMU, ON7YD, PA0BWL yesterday > >evening and worked DJ5DI in normal-CW today. Still waiting for DF2BC/p > >... > >Nothing seen on 72 so far.. > > > >73, Fabian dj1yfk > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5494 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 14:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO guinness.servers.plus.net) (212.159.3.230) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 14:51:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 27087 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 14:39:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (212.172.148.70) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 14:39:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fz1f-0006On-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:45:55 +0000 Received: from [212.204.115.10] (helo=hugo.fen-net.de ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fz1d-0006Oi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:45:54 +0000 Received: from DEFAULT (dialin-nbg-008.fen-net.de [212.204.116.8]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA12208 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:47:03 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <006501c1870a$4f184d60$2474ccd4@DEFAULT> From: "Walter" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 73k/136k Last night Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:49:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id PAA12208 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Lieber Fabian, im Zusammenhang mit Euren Leuchtturm-Versuchen kam mir eine Idee. Euer starkes Signal, Eure Lage weit nordwestlich in DL, Eure excellente Antenne sowie Eure "Füsse im Wasser" prädestinieren Euch für Transatlantikversuche. Wie denkt Ihr darüber? Ich weiß nicht, wieviel Leistung Ihr habt, vielleicht kann man noch mehr aufbringen und die Antenne noch verlängern usw. Wäre doch toll, wenn wir das von DL aus auch schaffen würden. 73 Walter DJ2LF -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fabian Kurz An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2001 14:07 Betreff: Re: LF: 73k/136k Last night >Ko Versteeg schrieb: > >> Peter, Laurie, Jim and all >> >> 136480 Cw: OM2TW 559 >> 135920 Qrss: G3LDO -23.6dB >> 135923 Qrss: No Id -33.1dB >> > >I also saw the signal without ID at 135,923, keying rows of dahes, "__ >___ ____", a little weaker than G3LDO (he was audible here). >Also hrd OM2TW (weak but copyable), M0BMU, ON7YD, PA0BWL yesterday >evening and worked DJ5DI in normal-CW today. Still waiting for DF2BC/p >... >Nothing seen on 72 so far.. > >73, Fabian dj1yfk > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11223 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 13:49:42 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 13:49:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1210 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 13:49:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 13:49:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fy6h-0006GT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:47:03 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fy6d-0006GO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:46:59 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fBHDjciK040854 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:45:42 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20011217144251.2d379fd6@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:42:51 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: LF: long haul QSO's In-reply-to: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello group, Recent test on 136kHz and 73kHz have shown that amateur signals can be copied over distances up to 6000km (73kHz) or even 13000km (136kHz). So far most tests have been done using 'traditional' QRSS or a-bit-less-traditional DFCW. These modes have the advantage that they are still based on the CW code (and thus easy to read) but their disadvantage (especially for QRSS) is the rather inefficient data rate. CW code is optimized for copy by ear and transmission of plain text, what we want to do is copy by eye (or even machine) and transmittion mainly callsign where characters appear pretty random. A basic check on common callsign reveals that the average callsign has 1 figure and 4 / 5 letters, so one could assume that a QSO between a LLFLL (or LFLLL) ans a LLFLLL callsign is average (where L stand for a random letter, F for a random figure). Going through the alphabet show that the average letter (including inter-character spacing) has a length of 11.23 dots in CW (QRSS) and 4.15 dots in DFCW. The average figure is 17 dots in QRSS and 6 dots in DFCW. A typical QSO could be (L = random letter, F = random figure) : cq LLFLL k LLFLL LLFLLL k LLL LL mm k LL LLL oo sk sk This QSO would have a length of 519 dots in QRSS and 166 dots in DFCW (eg. assuming 60 sec dotlength the QSO would take 8h39m in QRSS and 2h46m in DFCW) A QSO on sked would be a bit shorter : LLFLL LLFLLL k LLFLLL LLFLL mm k LL LLL oo sk sk This QSO would take 443 dots (7h23m) in QRSS and 149 dots (2h29m) in DFCW. If we want to proceed faster we do have to leave the traditional CW code. A very interesting suggestion was recently done by Stewart, KK7KA : a 7 tone code. This code would allow us to have a set of 49 characters, sufficient for our purpose (A-Z, 0-9, / and ? would do). Using this code each character would only take 2 dots, meaning that the first example (QSO starting with CQ) would only take 94 dots (1h34m at 60sec/dot). This assumes that a character starts at a known time, so no need for inter-character spaces, but at 60 sec/dot or slower this should be no problem (eg. using 60 sec/dot any character would always start exactly at an even minute). Some additional time can be won if we assign special characters for the T, M, O in the report and for the K, SK at the end of a transmission. If the 'M' of the report or the 'K' at the end cannot be mixed up with a M or T in a call we can omit the spaces before and after the report and before the K/SK at the end. This would speed up things a bit, making the QSO on sked taking 68 dots (or 1h08m) long. Remember, in QRSS it would take 7h23m. The main problem of the 7 tone code would be the frequency calibration at the RX side, but using smart coding this could be solved. One way would be by assigning a code that contains the highest and lowest frequency to space (the most frequent character), this would reveal both the base frequency and the frequency shift at least once per transmission. I am well aware that there will be strong objection against leaving the CW code. But there was also a lot of protest against the first QRSS QSO and when DFCW was introduced. Meanwhile both systems proved that they were a significant improvement in weak signal communication. I believe that moving on to a more efficient code is just a mather of the 'state of mind', CW code is just a convention and no convention is secret. Since we now have shown that is technical possible to copy our signals over 10000km and more the time might be right to develop a mode that will allow us to make QSO's over these distances. 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21259 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 10:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 10:54:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 10105 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 10:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 10:54:11 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FvNN-0005uf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:52:05 +0000 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.174]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FvNM-0005ua-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:52:04 +0000 Received: from modem-31.dunlendings.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.161.159] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16FvMb-00064f-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:51:17 +0000 Message-ID: <003301c186e8$dabdefe0$9fa1883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. 73kHz last night. Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:50:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thanks Dex and John for the reports. Dex said "You dont seem to get more than one spectacular night at a time" but I should like to add, that night seems to be almost one Solar rotation after the previous one,so that could also be useful information. By the way there is an explanation for my fading and jumbled signal between 2130 and 2230. I was trying to cure the dot freq. instability (looks like it was me after all, so appologies) For much of that time I was keying by hand and running only 2A so 50mW erp. Guess we can all take a break while the ionosphere sorts itself out! But as Alan said" This has certainly been a terrific way to end the Marconi Centenary year " Trans-Atlantic and Trans-Pacific, congratulations. Happy Christmas all , Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4410 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 10:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 10:40:04 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9272 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 10:21:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 10:21:37 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fup3-0005oh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:16:37 +0000 Received: from [204.202.140.198] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fup1-0005oc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:16:36 +0000 Received: from gomailjtp05 ([10.212.0.165]) by mta06.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0GOH00KABGGG7J@mta06.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 02:14:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 02:14:42 -0800 (PST) From: "John Sexton" Subject: LF: RE: ZL6QH To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <8343186.1008584082470.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, Despite my best efforts, nothing seen of ZL6QH here in southern England. I think the fact that there is little or no dark path is working against us here. Congrats to John VE1ZJ on receiving his signal. This is quite remarkable and must surely be a distance record? Congrats too to the boys on 73kHz. This is becoming a regular achievement when the conditions are right. Heard a good strong signal from DF2BC/P on Saturday and OM2TW on Sunday morning, about 349 here, but I have competion from a lot of TVs that are now working overtime in the neighbourhood. Hopefully January will be a bit quieter. 73 John, G4CNN ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7131 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 10:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 10:12:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 353 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 10:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 10:12:15 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FufX-0005nJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:06:47 +0000 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FufT-0005nE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:06:43 +0000 Received: from host213-122-240-11.btinternet.com ([213.122.240.11] helo=default) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16FueY-00053r-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:05:47 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c186e2$62743b80$0bf07ad5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: A Matching LPF Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:29:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020107060007030309040109" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020107060007030309040109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, by way of a Christmas present to the group, I have attached a diagram of an L-Pi LPF design. The idea is that the filter offers both low pass filtering and also will match a PA output impedance (quite often in the 4 to 10 ohms range) to 50 ohms as well. This approach can avoid one transformer and one more variable in the tune-up process. If anyone wants to play the design is done using the disc in Wes Haywards "Intro to RF Design" with the program ZMAT I have used it in a successful Class E stage lash-up, so it does work. It is suggested that air cored coils and pulse rated capacitors are used. I used ordinary 400v caps and iron-dust cores and they did get warm at 150 watts. Also a Smith Chart simulation confirms that a few switched caps on the output (C2) could help to tweak it for best match to an aerial that is not exactly 50 ohms. 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wGu1Cgl3xFu4YyuIN5srySWjMJqhsCu900u91Wu914u92btBBQAAADs= --------------020107060007030309040109-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13234 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 08:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 08:53:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15417 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 08:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 08:53:29 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FtQ9-0005bf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:46:49 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FtQ7-0005bZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:46:47 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fBH8jViK062766 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:45:32 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20011217094243.2b27210c@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:42:43 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: 73k/136k Last night In-reply-to: <3C1C7268.A43BE272@diolog.de> References: <200112161013.fBGAD8816908@smtp.wanadoo.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >Also hrd OM2TW (weak but copyable), M0BMU, ON7YD, PA0BWL yesterday >evening and worked DJ5DI in normal-CW today. Still waiting for DF2BC/p Hallo Fabian, Vielen Dank für den Rapport. Ich würde mich freuen über ein QSO. Ich habe mittlerweile fast 100 Stationen auf 136kHz gearbeitet, da wird es schwierig noch neue Station zu finden. Frohe Weihnachten und einen gute Rutch .. 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25776 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 04:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 04:56:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 14677 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 04:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 04:56:59 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fpgx-0005BZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 04:47:55 +0000 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.131]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fpgw-0005BU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 04:47:54 +0000 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.181.19]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20011217044627.GCDF29263.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:46:27 +1300 Message-ID: <002201c186b6$5437d6c0$13b51bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C1B92B4.45D96A32@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: Path length estimate Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:48:35 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John, See below the original message, with "Sydnay". My atlas suggested the spelling was astray, hi hi. Thanks for the infor on your receiving gear. I will send you TS-850 LF tx notes from another PC. The calculated distance from ZL6QH to 60 E, 46 N is 15,669.4 km. Your QTH is a little closer to ZL than the round number geographic crossing point. You probably have a good map for working out how much to subtract from 15,669.4 km (and rounded to the nearest km) to claim for a distance. I prefer not to go back and ask for another calculation of the substantive path length. So can you please make a suitable correction to the 15,669.4 km figure. OK on working ZL6QH on HF. There are a number of operators and usaually a roster, as it is a club station. Cheers for now, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "john currie" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 7:13 AM Subject: LF: ZL6QH > Hi saw ZL6QH on two occaisions last night. First, weakly, at 0845 and > second from1045Z til 1138Z. My sunrise 1150Z QTH Sydnay. Nova Scotia > FN96 approximately 10 miles SW of 46N es 60W. > 73 all de John VE1ZJ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26651 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 01:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 01:16:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 23413 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 01:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 01:16:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FmKg-0004le-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:12:42 +0000 Received: from tvrelay.mail.uk.easynet.net ([194.6.96.11]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FmKf-0004lZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:12:41 +0000 Received: from ericadodd (tnt-13-20.easynet.co.uk [212.134.22.20]) by tvrelay.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B28B66BA3 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:11:56 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000401c18698$639a6ba0$141686d4@ericadodd> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001501c18685$c72752e0$1f9b883e@g3aqc> <001601c1868a$9d1b37a0$0300a8c0@charter.net> Subject: LF: Re: Re. 73kHz Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:15:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John said: > Things don't look as good as they did last night. Laurie's signal is pretty > choppy, with some longer fades. Now that I've got Peter's frequency correct, > I can only say that something is going on there! Will keep watching. I will > be switching to something else after 0230, in any case. Antenna current went up to 4.2amps before falling back to 4 amps as the PSU sagged. It would have been safe to leave it on because it didn't overheat; but as condx don't look so good shut down at 0115hrs. Checked my frequency with a Phillips high res frequency counter (PM6667) as 72.4006kHz. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25266 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 01:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 01:16:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11528 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 01:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 01:16:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FmJb-0004lV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:11:35 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FmJa-0004lQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:11:34 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 20:10:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3C1D4615.AEBFBEA2@att.net> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:10:45 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re. 73kHz References: <001501c18685$c72752e0$1f9b883e@g3aqc> <001601c1868a$9d1b37a0$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000301c18695$d3c90420$0300a8c0@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Nothing at all seen here so far. Will continue to run overnight. Dex John Andrews wrote: > > Laurie disappeared over an hour ago, and there was no convincing sign of > Peter by that time, so I'll assume that the ionosphere has moved on to deeds > of more exalted usefulness. We just don't seem to get more than one > spectacular night at a time, which may be valuable information in its own > right. > > John Andrews, W1TAG (tuning out...) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2736 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 01:03:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 01:03:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 4381 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 01:03:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 01:03:09 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fm78-0004gx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 00:58:42 +0000 Received: from dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.14] helo=dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fm77-0004gs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 00:58:41 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 8502710 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 20:04:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c18695$d3c90420$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001501c18685$c72752e0$1f9b883e@g3aqc> <001601c1868a$9d1b37a0$0300a8c0@charter.net> Subject: LF: Re: Re. 73kHz Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 19:57:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie disappeared over an hour ago, and there was no convincing sign of Peter by that time, so I'll assume that the ionosphere has moved on to deeds of more exalted usefulness. We just don't seem to get more than one spectacular night at a time, which may be valuable information in its own right. John Andrews, W1TAG (tuning out...) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6067 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 23:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 23:42:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 4132 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 23:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 23:42:53 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FkrR-0004Tc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:38:25 +0000 Received: from dc-mx07.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.17] helo=dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FkrQ-0004TX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:38:25 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 7574191 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:49:00 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c1868a$9d1b37a0$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001501c18685$c72752e0$1f9b883e@g3aqc> Subject: LF: Re. 73kHz Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:37:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Things don't look as good as they did last night. Laurie's signal is pretty choppy, with some longer fades. Now that I've got Peter's frequency correct, I can only say that something is going on there! Will keep watching. I will be switching to something else after 0230, in any case. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13256 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 23:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 23:22:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 3239 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 23:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 23:22:22 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FkY3-0004QR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:18:23 +0000 Received: from chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.1.67]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FkY2-0004QM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:18:22 +0000 Received: from ericadodd (tnt-6-188.easynet.co.uk [195.40.201.188]) by chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 65BF61C5A81 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:17:37 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000a01c18688$6a503480$22ca28c3@ericadodd> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C1C9E4E.96DC4C2A@att.net> <000601c18675$a05c8c80$6ce086d4@ericadodd> <000901c1867a$a5a6f900$0300a8c0@charter.net> Subject: LF: 72.4 kHz received in NC Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:20:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John said > The "W1TAG Propagation Machine" is giving a favourable opinion at this > point. I saw Dex's 177.777 kHz beacon an hour before sunset (about 1000 km). > Laurie is currently sending a "G" which started at 2130 UTC. Looks like this > could be another interesting evening. I have been transmitting on 72.4005kHz QRSS90 since 2300. Transmitting conditions ideal with dry cold crisp weather but its dam cold in the transmitting shack; around -1deg C. Experimented with the a balance between transmitter output and PSU load and now running 3.8amps into the antenna. I think I will leave the transmitter on all night subject to any e-mail reports and final check of the PSU. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1425 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 23:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 23:07:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 8801 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 23:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 23:07:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FkJ0-0004My-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:02:50 +0000 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.23]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FkIz-0004Mt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:02:49 +0000 Received: from modem-31.dimrill.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.155.31] helo=g3aqc) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16FkIG-0004Vy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:02:05 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c18685$c72752e0$1f9b883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. 73kHz Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:01:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Many thanks Dex and John for last nights report,looks like enhancement before the arrival of a big disturbance! Re my dot frequency instability I have been looking at this (odd signal for the last hour !!) and there was a small mechanical problem which I have fixed so hope all now well. I will transmit tonight and monitor my signal here, if there is any propagation, reports would be welcome. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22421 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 23:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 23:04:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25055 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 23:04:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 23:04:44 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FkGX-0004LQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:00:17 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FkGW-0004LL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:00:16 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.65.6]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:55:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3C1D6D1A.5355B5CF@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:57:15 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all I stayed on 136 all night looking for OM2TW . Saw nil was using 120 sec dots and didn't know Peter was on til after he shut off . I was using 120 sec dots so didn't have Peter's freq on tube. At 0300 went to 90 sec dots in case OM2tw was off freq Never saw him time now 2256 Z just saw John's prop note will look at 72.4 tonight 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1817 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 21:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 21:48:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 1974 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 21:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 21:48:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fj4o-0004Cx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:44:06 +0000 Received: from dc-mx05.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.15] helo=dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fj4n-0004Cs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:44:06 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 8521663 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:48:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c1867a$a5a6f900$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C1C9E4E.96DC4C2A@att.net> <000601c18675$a05c8c80$6ce086d4@ericadodd> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?LF:_Re:_Re:_G3AQC_M=D8BMU_72.4_kHz_received_in_NC?= Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:43:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Peter, The "W1TAG Propagation Machine" is giving a favourable opinion at this point. I saw Dex's 177.777 kHz beacon an hour before sunset (about 1000 km). Laurie is currently sending a "G" which started at 2130 UTC. Looks like this could be another interesting evening. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23731 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 21:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 21:12:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 589 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 21:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 21:12:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FiRv-00048H-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:03:55 +0000 Received: from chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.1.67]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FiRu-00048C-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:03:54 +0000 Received: from ericadodd (tnt-18-108.easynet.co.uk [212.134.224.108]) by chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A9781C588C for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:03:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000601c18675$a05c8c80$6ce086d4@ericadodd> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C1C9E4E.96DC4C2A@att.net> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?LF:_Re:_G3AQC_M=D8BMU_72.4_kHz_received_in_NC?= Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:01:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Dex and John et al > Thanks to the W1TAG propagation alert machine I was able for the first > time to receive Q5 copy of Laurie's signal on 72.401 kHz. Laurie's > signal was last seen about 0630 UTC. Argo capture can be seen at: > Thanks to you guys on your reception efforts - there must be some new 73kHz distance reception record in there somewhere. I would like to join in but my Decca transmitter is only firing on two PA modules. In addition my PSU is not up to very long beaconing sessions. Nevertheless I can get 3amps into the antenna for periods of around one and a half hours. If the W1TAG propagation alert machine gives favourable predictions I will transmit tonight on 72.40015, QRSS60. Will be looking on this reflector later for signs of encouragement. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7429 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 17:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 17:38:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 23127 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 17:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 17:38:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FfBS-0003fa-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:34:42 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FfBP-0003fU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:34:40 +0000 Received: from host62-7-105-195.btinternet.com ([62.7.105.195] helo=default) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16FfAe-0002UG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:33:55 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c18657$d8db1e00$c369073e@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: DX Cluster spots 15/16th Dec at GB7DXM Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:55:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all there seems to have been quite a bit of activity around, maybe thanks to Rich and Ali. I monitored the frequency for the ZL transmission by nothing heard (or seen!) No other listening possible here I seem to have three local TVs emitting 34kHz and harmonics 24/7 with three more joining them in daytime or evening. Plus a computer line on, would you believe, 136.960 kHz, which magnetically couples strongly to my loop aerial making it useless. Cluster spots follow:- G3NYK de GB7MRS 16-Dec-2001 1629Z > 136.6 OK1DTN 16-Dec-2001 1510Z cq cq 136.7 G0CBE 16-Dec-2001 1405Z ???? weak cq 136.6 DK5PT 16-Dec-2001 1323Z 539 qso with dk7su 599 136.5 G3KEV 16-Dec-2001 1132Z clg GI3OQR (no cpy) 136.5 GI3OQR 16-Dec-2001 1129Z loud calling g3cv 136.4 OM2TW 16-Dec-2001 1100Z clg cq... 136.5 G3YXM 16-Dec-2001 1045Z david 559 here.... 136.7 DJ5DI 16-Dec-2001 1040Z cq cq 136.5 G3YXM 16-Dec-2001 1039Z 136.6 DK6NI 16-Dec-2001 1013Z 438 cq 137.2 OK1DTN 16-Dec-2001 1011Z 539 cq 136.4 G3KEV 16-Dec-2001 1006Z 559 cq 136.7 DK7SU 16-Dec-2001 0836Z 599 qso with om2tw 519 135.9 G3LDO 16-Dec-2001 0006Z and others in T/A Test 136.8 M0BMU 15-Dec-2001 2223Z clg OM2TW .. pileup ;) 136.8 PA0BWL 15-Dec-2001 2221Z clg OM2TW 136.8 ON7YD 15-Dec-2001 2217Z calling OM2TW 136.8 OM2TW 15-Dec-2001 2211Z vy weak. try in QRSS,rich? 136.5 OM2TW 15-Dec-2001 2133Z 539 cq 137.2 EI0CF 15-Dec-2001 2047Z cq 136.2 EI0CF 15-Dec-2001 2023Z 519 calling df6nm ! 136.8 OM2TW 15-Dec-2001 1755Z cq slow cw 136.4 OK1DTN 15-Dec-2001 1740Z cq... 136.8 OM2TW 15-Dec-2001 1738Z nw cq.... 136.8 OH1BS 15-Dec-2001 1732Z 559 in qso with om2tw.... 136.9 OM2TW 15-Dec-2001 1727Z STRONG! qso with oh1bs 136.7 OK1DTN 15-Dec-2001 1725Z qso with oz8nj 136.3 OK1DTN 15-Dec-2001 1633Z cq... 136.7 OM2TW 15-Dec-2001 1629Z with dk5pt....strong 136.8 OM2TW 15-Dec-2001 1548Z cq cq 136.3 EI0CF 15-Dec-2001 1107Z cq 137.0 OK1DTN 15-Dec-2001 1100Z cq cq 136.6 DF2BC/P 15-Dec-2001 0935Z 559 cq 136.7 DF2BC/P 14-Dec-2001 2130Z wid f6bwo 519 in jo44xm 136.7 DF2BC/P 14-Dec-2001 2128Z QSO with f6bwo G3NYK de GB7MRS 16-Dec-2001 1632Z > Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11919 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 16:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 16:31:37 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18234 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 16:31:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 16:31:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fe8I-0003X1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:27:22 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fe8I-0003Ww-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:27:22 +0000 Received: from ldsas06-70-121-25.cw-visp.com ([212.137.121.25] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16FdxQ-0007G5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:16:08 +0000 Message-ID: <3C1CC91D.AB0D3D1B@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:17:34 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All Using speclab s/ware I checked my antenna gain today. The difference between no antenna connected to my rx and antenna connected is 20 db. I need attenuation sometimes for best signal over noise. The location here out in the country is very quiet, all utility services are underground, no overhead power lines or telephone lines etc. Environmental noise is virtually nil and good for weak signal reception. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5566 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 15:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 15:43:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 3497 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 15:43:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 15:43:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FdOu-0003Qo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:40:28 +0000 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.138] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FdOt-0003Qj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:40:28 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p1163.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.203.144]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBGFdf807753 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:39:41 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112161539.fBGFdf807753@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:39:42 +0000 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Last night signals X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >BTW, what is the difference between "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" and >"rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org" ? > >73 de Markus, DF6NM Markus. You must have had one of my messages gone wrong, i got about 45 strange messages back today and fear more. Switched back to Foxmail and all works again. 73 Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9823 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 15:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 15:38:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23054 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 15:38:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 15:38:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FdJl-0003Pb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:35:09 +0000 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.138] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FdJk-0003PV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:35:08 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p1163.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.203.144]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBGFYC804302 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:34:12 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112161534.fBGFYC804302@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:34:13 +0000 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 73k/136k Last night X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Fabian, and all named.. DF2BC/P~599 was on yesterday 11:55 working M0BMU~589 in Cw.. Also heard a new one [for me] PA0VBR 559 clng Cq DJ9IE~599 [ with a new 350 meter antenna ] and DK9DX~599 both working OZ1KMR~569.. EI0CF~549 was calling DJ9IE at 13:55.. 73 Ko, NL9222. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5205 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 14:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 14:53:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26941 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 14:52:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 14:52:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FcZb-0003Ic-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:47:27 +0000 Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.41]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FcZa-0003IX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:47:26 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.51.15fc9136 (18559) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:46:28 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <51.15fc9136.294e0dc4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:46:28 EST Subject: LF: Deutschlandfunk splatter is back To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi group, it seems that the old problem of spurious emissions on 153 kHz from Donebach has returned this morning. At the moment, the annoying wideband-FM swish and hiss is about 21 dBuV/m, 136km from the TX (25 mW EMRP). It is distributed over a few kHz, depending on the modulation content, and identified best in SSB mode. On average, my noise level is raised by 10 ... 15 dB. These emission had suddenly increased on June 10th 2001 and were especially strong on warm summer afternoons. After a couple of phone conversations with an engineer at the TX site, it became clear that the Dynamic-AM modulation controller of one of their two 250kW transmitters showed a temperature-dependent fault. The problem could be solved on August 16th, when the spurii were reduced to an insignificant level. Until today :-(. Again, I would appreciate observations of others in south-west and south Germany. For comparison, I can send a short .wav file directly to anyone interested. Regards de Markus, DF6NM (JN59NK) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19288 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 14:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 14:52:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26791 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 14:52:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 14:52:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FcZn-0003Ii-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:47:39 +0000 Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.41]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FcZl-0003IW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:47:38 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.8f.1412f64a (18559) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:46:27 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <8f.1412f64a.294e0dc3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:46:27 EST Subject: LF: Re: Last night signals To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Ko, Fabian and group, > 135923 Qrss: No Id -33.1dB these sigs could have been mine: I was transmitting callsigns on 135922.2 / 922.1 Hz narrow DFCW (60s dashes, 20s breaks) between 23:20 and 06:47 UT. Looking out of the roof window into the freezy night sky, I had noticed a new 3rd magnitude blueish star in Ursa Major: A tiny and apparently harmless display of corona from one of the thin wire ends near its insulator. BTW, what is the difference between "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" and "rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org" ? 73 de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4610 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 14:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 14:24:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 9893 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 14:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 14:24:09 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fc8O-0003FJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:19:20 +0000 Received: from dc-mx01.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.11] helo=dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fc8N-0003FE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:19:19 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 55321554 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:26:14 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c1863c$82944780$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C1C9E4E.96DC4C2A@att.net> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?LF:_Re:_G3AQC_M=D8BMU_72.4_kHz_received_in_NC?= Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:18:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Congratulations to Dex on receiving Laurie's signal! I've got to check my Hoover for leaks! Conditions were very good on 73 kHz last night, probably the equal of 21/22 November. G3AQC and M0BMU were visible from the time I tuned in, around 0000, to at least 0740. I saved two screen captures, the first a clean one from around 0130 (Argo, 90 sec/dot): http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/aqcbmu1.jpg I later went to 120 sec/dot to get the complete M0BMU call sign. This is from 0510- 0610: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/aqcbmu2.jpg Dex and I both noted that Laurie's dot frequency was somewhat variable last night, though the dash frequency seems to be constant. Congrats to Jim for getting complete call signs across to Massachusetts! John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18428 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 13:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 13:19:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8140 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 13:19:53 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 13:19:53 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fb90-00037c-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:15:54 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fb8y-00037U-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:15:53 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 08:14:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3C1C9E4E.96DC4C2A@att.net> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:14:54 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?LF:_G3AQC_M=D8BMU_72.4_kHz_received_in_NC?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thanks to the W1TAG propagation alert machine I was able for the first time to receive Q5 copy of Laurie's signal on 72.401 kHz. Laurie's signal was last seen about 0630 UTC. Argo capture can be seen at: http://www.qsl.net/w4dex/72401b16dec01.jpg Argo time is UTC. Frequency scale: Ř = 72401 Hz Thanks for all the effort you guys put into transmitting these signals. Dexter, W4DEX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3959 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 12:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 12:54:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 717 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 12:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 12:54:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Faji-00032T-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:49:46 +0000 Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de ([195.20.224.149]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Fajh-00032O-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:49:46 +0000 Received: from [195.20.224.219] (helo=mrvdom03.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16Faiy-0004lK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:49:00 +0100 Received: from p3e9e9cbd.dip.t-dialin.net ([62.158.156.189] helo=diolog.de) by mrvdom03.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16Faiy-0001wf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:49:01 +0100 Message-ID: <3C1C7268.A43BE272@diolog.de> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:07:36 +0100 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 73k/136k Last night References: <200112161013.fBGAD8816908@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Ko Versteeg schrieb: > Peter, Laurie, Jim and all > > 136480 Cw: OM2TW 559 > 135920 Qrss: G3LDO -23.6dB > 135923 Qrss: No Id -33.1dB > I also saw the signal without ID at 135,923, keying rows of dahes, "__ ___ ____", a little weaker than G3LDO (he was audible here). Also hrd OM2TW (weak but copyable), M0BMU, ON7YD, PA0BWL yesterday evening and worked DJ5DI in normal-CW today. Still waiting for DF2BC/p ... Nothing seen on 72 so far.. 73, Fabian dj1yfk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2691 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 10:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 10:18:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16196 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 10:18:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 10:18:42 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FYIu-0002ko-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:13:56 +0000 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.138] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FYIt-0002kj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:13:55 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p658.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.201.186]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBGAD8816908 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:13:08 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112161013.fBGAD8816908@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:13:24 +0100 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73k/136k Last night X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Peter, Laurie, Jim and all 136480 Cw: OM2TW 559 135920 Qrss: G3LDO -23.6dB 135923 Qrss: No Id -33.1dB 72401.5 DfCw: G3AQC -51.5dB 72402.0 Qrss: MOBMU -51.1dB [Used a 40 turn 3'x3' loop for 73Khz] 73 Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22955 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 00:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 00:39:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 17876 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 00:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 00:39:03 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FPGp-0001qI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 00:35:11 +0000 Received: from dc-mx05.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.15] helo=dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FPGo-0001qD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 00:35:11 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 8201444; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 19:39:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c185c9$61fee520$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@qth.net References: <3C1B92B4.45D96A32@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: 73 kHz is Hot Tonight! Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 19:34:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: As of 0025, excellent signals are coming in from G3AQC and M0BMU. These are the clearest signals I've seen since 21 November. For the U.S. guys, here are the frequencies: G3AQC, DFCW, 120 second elements, 0.1 Hz shift. Dashes are on 72.4013 kHz, and dots on 72.4012 kHz. M0BMU, QRSS60 (or a little longer), 72.4018 kHz. I'd suggest using the Argo 90 second screen, with the center of the screen on 72.401 kHz. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6319 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 21:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 21:07:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 3533 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 21:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 21:07:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FLvr-0001M9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:01:19 +0000 Received: from tvout.mail.uk.easynet.net ([194.6.96.5]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FLvq-0001M4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:01:18 +0000 Received: from ericadodd (tnt-1-186.easynet.co.uk [195.40.206.186]) by tvout.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CA83E62E52 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:00:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <001201c185ac$17c2dc40$bace28c3@ericadodd> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C1B9BA3.D166095C@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: Re: M0BMU Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:03:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John VE1ZJ said > Hi Jim es Peter I saw Jim well last night . Peter what freq are you > transmitting on? Tonight, 135.9205kHz from around 2200 until 0030 Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12502 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 18:16:19 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 18:16:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29343 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 18:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 18:16:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FJHj-00010y-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 18:11:43 +0000 Received: from ns1.tee.gr ([212.70.194.250]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FJHi-00010s-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 18:11:42 +0000 Received: from s9o9f0.eexi.gr (ppp-ath05022.tee.gr [212.70.201.22]) by ns1.tee.gr (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id fBFIBlNk024548 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:11:58 +0200 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011215185836.00aa5710@aurora.eexi.gr> X-Sender: sv1xv@aurora.eexi.gr (Unverified) Disposition-Notification-To: X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 19:00:05 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Costas Krallis SV1XV" Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 in slow-CW on 147.3 kHz In-reply-to: <3C18A282.A312657C@diolog.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.2 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 13:43 13/12/2001 +0100, you wrote: >DDH47 was trasmitting a special bulletin on 147.3 kHz in CW last night, >followed by a QRSS3 message. Their signal was really impressive here, >wonder if anybody from "DX" copied him .. Well, I did copy them, althouh I had not the time yet to compile the report. Do I qualify as DX? I guess not... Costas SV1XV +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Costas Krallis SV1XV * LOC KM18UA | | P.O.Box 3066 * E-Mail: sv1xv@eexi.gr | | GR-10210 Athens * PGP key: 0x3BDBBC34 | | GREECE * http://www.qsl.net/sv1xv/ | | * http://w4u.eexi.gr/~sv1xv/ | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14212 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 16:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 16:39:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17372 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 16:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 16:39:41 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FHnw-0000ja-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:36:52 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FHnv-0000jV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:36:51 +0000 Received: from ldsas16-80-131-225.cw-visp.com ([212.137.131.225] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16FHd5-0002Uf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:25:40 +0000 Message-ID: <3C1B7C1A.F0D1E96F@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:36:42 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011214162455.00ab7318@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > Transmitted last night from 2220 until 0645 on 135.923kHz. Also saw > slow-ish CW from G3KEV and G3JKV's QRP beacon, both a few Hz above my > frequency. Apart from amateur signals, I heard a "digital" signal Jim. I also saw and heard the digital signal at S9 here. There appeared to be two signals side by side. The main signal seemed to be the HF one and the one below maybe spurious. Each signal had two frequency limits. The whole signal took up nearly 500 hz, quite wide. G3KEV > around > 135.8kHz between about 2130 and 2330 - it had multiple tones (about 8 were > visible), the spacing of which changed from time to time. It also has shown > up on CT1DRP's overnight spectrogram > (http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/Gram.htm). > > No reports received so far, but will try the same format again (135.923kHz, > QRSS30) tonight from about 2230 onwards. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23323 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 16:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 16:08:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14325 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 16:08:08 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 16:08:08 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FHHW-0000f0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:03:22 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FHHV-0000ev-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:03:21 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.87.132]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:03:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3C1BBB05.A9270B67@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:05:09 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: lf tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all , I will be looking for OM2TW tonight on135.922 from 2000Z on if all goes well I will switch to 72.4 to look for M0BMU . Peter .... will you be transmitting 136 or 72 tonight? if so freqs? Last night was first night saw got pictures from 2 continents in same night. That shows how good propagation can be . My understanding is that ZL6QH had 4 watts ERP. Probably need 3 or 6 db more erp or better propagation to make for reasonably frequent QSOs at 30 sec dots 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10747 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 14:55:55 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 14:55:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27487 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 14:55:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 14:55:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FGCg-0000UN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:54:18 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FGCf-0000UI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:54:17 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16FGBx-0007PG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:53:33 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16FGBw-0002P5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:53:33 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011215142904.00aea580@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:53:30 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: LF Last night/Tonight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Thanks for the reports and images for the previous 2 nights tests - if nothing else, it confirms 136k is much easier than 73k! I saw nothing from ZL6QH this morning; will try again this afternoon. I had a QSO with DF2BC/P earlier; a good 569 signal here in SE England. No sign of OM2TW here yet though. Since it seems conditions are fairly good at the moment, I will try 73k again tonight - 72.4018kHz, 120s dots, starting about 2230 again. I will try and run the beacon until about 0730, but will have to lower my aerial down about then to avoid complaints. Obviously it would be good if someone could run a 136k beacon too Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25802 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 13:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 13:50:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18381 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 13:50:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 13:50:39 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FFBr-0000Mb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:49:23 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FFBq-0000MW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:49:22 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.105.114]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 09:49:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3C1B9BA3.D166095C@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:51:15 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: M0BMU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Jim es Peter I saw Jim well last night . Peter what freq are you transmitting on? Didn't stay long set rx up for ZL6QH es went to bed. The auto capture is great. 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2813 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 13:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 13:41:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9350 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 13:41:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 13:41:51 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FF3F-0000Ku-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:40:29 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FF3E-0000Kp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:40:28 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:39:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3C1B5299.2D288EE1@att.net> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:39:37 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: ZL6QH test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: The ZL6QH signal was received again in North Carolina last night. Best signal occurred shortly before local sunrise this time. First trace of signal was see shortly after sunset ZL time. Best reception posted at: http://www.qsl.net/w4dex/ZL6QH_15Dec01.jpg Received by W4DEX EM95tg 35 15 22N X 80 22 48W Local sunrise 15DECŘ1 1222 UTC Argo time is UTC Dexter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5806 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 13:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 13:12:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10982 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 13:12:31 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 13:12:31 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FEav-0000GD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:11:13 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FEau-0000G8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:11:12 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.105.114]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 09:11:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3C1B92B4.45D96A32@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:13:08 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: ZL6QH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi saw ZL6QH on two occaisions last night. First, weakly, at 0845 and second from1045Z til 1138Z. My sunrise 1150Z QTH Sydnay. Nova Scotia FN96 approximately 10 miles SW of 46N es 60W. 73 all de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1826 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 13:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 13:12:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10422 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 13:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 13:11:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FEZ5-0000Fh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:09:19 +0000 Received: from mailout00.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FEZ3-0000Fc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:09:17 +0000 Received: from fwd07.sul.t-online.de by mailout00.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 16FEYH-0006KL-00; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:08:29 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.157.30.187]) by fwd07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16FEXz-1jGzvEC; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:08:11 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011214162455.00ab7318@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: G3LDO/M0BMU X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070508020006070001010703" Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:08:11 +0100 Message-ID: <16FEXz-1jGzvEC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070508020006070001010703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Jim 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pNSnTFbwLEfLLNZSvbsabdX8BNf59Fa/DNdyNddzRdd0Vdd1Zdd2DXXXd4XXeJXXec26gAAA Ow== --------------070508020006070001010703-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28144 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 09:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 09:58:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16371 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 09:57:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 09:57:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FBU5-0008SU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 09:51:57 +0000 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.161]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16FBU4-0008SP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 09:51:56 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.a7.187719ca (4463) for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 04:51:06 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 04:51:06 EST Subject: LF: DF2BC/p calling To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10504 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Group,
DF2BC/p from Campen (lighthouse) is just calling CQ on 136.5,
big signal as usual.

73 Wolf. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 19:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 19:55:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 23655 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 19:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 19:55:22 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EyOB-0006fc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:52:59 +0000 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.132]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EyO9-0006fU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:52:58 +0000 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.181.152]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20011214195138.ELPW24850.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:51:38 +1300 Message-ID: <007701c184d9$468e8700$98b51bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C1A89E0.30EA8D49@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: ZL6QH on 136 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:54:38 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, It is reasonably fine weather in Wellington today so there is little doubt that ZL6QH will be able to be set up on LF and transmitting from before ZL sunset (approx 0800 UTC) until after ZL sunrise (approx 1700 UTC) on Saturday. The dual frequency tones will be 137.7890 (hi) and 137.7886 (lo) kHz. These frequencies are 1 Hz lower than those used for the previous test, and give better separation from Loran lines received in Europe. The ZL6QH transmission has the format QQQQ... sent as hi, hi, lo, hi, gap, with 120 second dot length, 0.4 Hz shift. It takes 10 minutes to send each Q. Timing will be such that the first element of a Q will be on or close to the hour If the LF path is open to VE7, a cross-band LF/HF contact could be attempted with VE7SL, with the likes of 20 second dot length, around 1500 UTC, after which 120 second dot sending would resume. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16829 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 19:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 19:34:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 29120 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 19:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 19:34:46 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Ey3t-0006bN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:32:01 +0000 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.171]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Ey3q-0006bG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:31:59 +0000 Received: from modem-104.andunie.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.109.104] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Ey37-0002XY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:31:14 +0000 Message-ID: <001801c184d5$fb653920$686d883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re 73kHz Beacon Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:31:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, Since there appears to be intrest in 136 at the moment I will not run the 73kHz beacon tonight. Thanks for listening. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2050 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 18:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO guinness.servers.plus.net) (212.159.3.230) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 18:24:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23273 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 18:11:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (212.172.148.70) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 18:11:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Ewxe-0006LQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:21:30 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Ewxd-0006LL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:21:29 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.90.112]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:21:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3C1A89E0.30EA8D49@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:23:13 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: this weekend Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: HI Richard Gasparik Will you be able to change to 10 second dots and send complete call so we can have cross band QSO? 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13658 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 18:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO guinness.servers.plus.net) (212.159.3.230) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 18:06:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14298 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 17:53:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (212.172.148.70) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 17:53:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EwXg-0006El-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:54:40 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EwXe-0006Eg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:54:38 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.90.112]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:54:44 -0400 Message-ID: <3C1A8391.90C6FACB@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:56:17 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011214162455.00ab7318@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Last night watched 72.4 from 2130 til 0200 . Saw nil Went to 135 for Jim saw weak es intermittent sigs until 0400 , T copy. Then started getting whole letters. Complete call in one sequencearound 0600. Strongest sigs from 0600 to 0655 when sigs disappeared abruptly at end of call sequence. I suspect tx was shut down . Last week saw G3AQC near your sun rise . You might let it run til sunrise ,if possible Will send picture direct 73 de John VE1ZJ James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > Transmitted last night from 2220 until 0645 on 135.923kHz. Also saw > slow-ish CW from G3KEV and G3JKV's QRP beacon, both a few Hz above my > frequency. Apart from amateur signals, I heard a "digital" signal around > 135.8kHz between about 2130 and 2330 - it had multiple tones (about 8 were > visible), the spacing of which changed from time to time. It also has shown > up on CT1DRP's overnight spectrogram > (http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/Gram.htm). > > No reports received so far, but will try the same format again (135.923kHz, > QRSS30) tonight from about 2230 onwards. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10866 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 17:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO guinness.servers.plus.net) (212.159.3.230) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 17:25:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22775 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 17:12:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (212.172.148.70) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 17:12:59 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Evwq-00066y-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:16:36 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Evwp-00066t-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:16:35 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16Evw4-0003ZO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:15:48 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Evw3-0002NB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:15:47 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011214162455.00ab7318@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:09:38 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: Mime-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear LF Group, Transmitted last night from 2220 until 0645 on 135.923kHz. Also saw slow-ish CW from G3KEV and G3JKV's QRP beacon, both a few Hz above my frequency. Apart from amateur signals, I heard a "digital" signal around 135.8kHz between about 2130 and 2330 - it had multiple tones (about 8 were visible), the spacing of which changed from time to time. It also has shown up on CT1DRP's overnight spectrogram (http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/Gram.htm). No reports received so far, but will try the same format again (135.923kHz, QRSS30) tonight from about 2230 onwards. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17944 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 15:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 15:10:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 12960 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 15:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 15:10:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Etpt-0005d4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:01:17 +0000 Received: from ns1.otenet.gr ([195.170.0.2]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Etpq-0005cy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:01:14 +0000 Received: from 1 (myti530-a020.otenet.gr [212.205.251.148]) by ns1.otenet.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fBEExm206374 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:59:48 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <002001c184af$d319a120$94fbcdd4@1> From: "ALEX DELIGIANNIS" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C18A282.A312657C@diolog.de> Subject: LF: Re: DDH47 in slow-CW on 147.3 kHz Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:56:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090300070105070902040906" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090300070105070902040906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DDW47 received OK -109 DBm with IC-R75 40m loop. Sorry for the bad picture (I took 5 captures and only the QRSS is in bad condition!!!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Fabian Kurz To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: LF: DDH47 in slow-CW on 147.3 kHz > Hello, > > DDH47 was trasmitting a special bulletin on 147.3 kHz in CW last night, > followed by a QRSS3 message. Their signal was really impressive here, > wonder if anybody from "DX" copied him .. > > attachment shows their slow-CW transmission > > 73, fabian dj1yfk > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --------------090300070105070902040906 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="dtwQRSS3.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="dtwQRSS3.jpg" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wBDAP////////////////////////////////////// ////////////////////////////////////////////////2wBDAf////////////////// ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////wAAR CAIwAxYDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAA AgEDAwIEAwUFBAQAAAF9AQIDAAQRBRIhMUEGE1FhByJxFDKBkaEII0KxwRVS0fAkM2JyggkK FhcYGRolJicoKSo0NTY3ODk6Q0RFRkdISUpTVFVWV1hZWmNkZWZnaGlqc3R1dnd4eXqDhIWG h4iJipKTlJWWl5iZmqKjpKWmp6ipqrKztLW2t7i5usLDxMXGx8jJytLT1NXW19jZ2uHi4+Tl 5ufo6erx8vP09fb3+Pn6/8QAHwEAAwEBAQEBAQEBAQAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtREA 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HHrRx60AFFHHrRx60AFFHHrRx60AFFHHrRx60AFFHHrRx60AFFHHrRx60AFFHHrRx60AFFHH rRx60AFFHHrRx60AFFHHrRx60AFFHHrRx60AFFHHrRx60AFFHHrRx60AFFHHrRx60AFFHHrR x60ALn2pM+364o49aOPWgAyOOOnSjj0/Wjj1o49aAEHGOOaUnPajj1o49aAClz7UnHrRx60A Ln2oz7UnHrRx60ALn2oz7UnHrRx60ALn2oz7UnHrRx60ALn2oz7UnHrRx60ALn2oz7UnHrRx 60ALn2pCc0cetHHrQAA4pc0nHrRx60AAx36/5xQDx/Sjj1o49aADPfB/OjI9O2Ovajj1o49a ADI9O2PwozxjFHHrRx60AFFHHrRx60AB6Cig9BRQB//Z --------------090300070105070902040906-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27959 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 11:31:55 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 11:31:55 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29400 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 11:31:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 11:31:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EqWv-0004yd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:29:29 +0000 Received: from tlvsca.vim.tlt.alcatel.it ([194.243.74.245]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EqWt-0004yY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:29:28 +0000 Received: from tlvk7v (tlvk7v.vim.tlt.alcatel.it [151.98.40.9]) by tlvsca.vim.tlt.alcatel.it (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA10822 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:26:18 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:27:59 +0100 From: "Claudio Girardi" Subject: LF: Linux, spectrogram and QRSS To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Z-Mail Pro 6.2, NetManage Inc. [ZM62_16H] X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, some time ago I was looking for a Linux application to control a trasmitter for sending QRSS and, not finding much, I tried to write one myself. After several weeks of late evening coding I ended with a program which includes the QRSS/DFCW transmission functions and a spectrogram display. To be compatible with Rik's QRS it uses the same pins of the serial or parallel port to control the TX, so the hardware interface is the same. If you are interested in trying the current "alpha version", you can find the C source code at http://www.qsl.net/in3otd/glfer.html , together with a longer description and a screenshot. Future versions will (hopefully, hi) have more features, depending also on your feedback; the code is released as open source so you can contribute with your code, if you wish. Happy Linuxing on LF, 73 de Claudio, IN3OTD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22523 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 09:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 09:46:35 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 18669 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 09:46:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 09:46:32 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Eomt-0004az-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:37:51 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Eoms-0004as-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:37:50 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id JAA24191; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:46:05 GMT Received: (qmail 31084 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 10:27:21 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 10:27:21 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id JAA29475; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:59:33 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma029450; Fri, 14 Dec 01 09:59:09 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:41:55 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:36:39 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C662@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: chips Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:36:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Given the choice of three cascaded doublers with all the intermediate filtering needed, using devices based on a circuit topology even older than the CD4046 (the diode ring or Gilbert cell multiplier even if it is in a modern IC package) or a simple two chip PLL solution, I know which one I would use. Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: Tom Boucher [mailto:tom@telemetry.demon.co.uk] Sent: 13 December 2001 19:12 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: chips Just the sort of acknowledgement I expected from this individual. In message <3C190044.93049D9A@netscapeonline.co.uk>, gii3kev writes >Thanks to all that offered information. I was looking for tomorrows >technology and not as one reply indicated something 25 years old >!!!!!!!!! from some old fashioned G3O.. living in the dark ages, still >on spark technology. >Thanks again to those that suggested high tech devices that will be >available next year. >de G3KEV > > > > -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23544 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 09:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 09:37:29 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20150 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 09:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 09:37:33 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Eoei-0004Zj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:29:24 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Eoei-0004Ze-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:29:24 +0000 Received: from ldsas01-65-116-57.cw-visp.com ([212.137.116.57] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16EoTt-0003iX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:18:13 +0000 Message-ID: <3C19C4C8.E64DFF26@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:22:16 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: SPM12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello All Txn agn for all the info to me both private and general Email about the LM spm12 It seems 10 khz is a common last IF for these machines, with the odd exception. I am now able to demodulate cw and ssb with a simple osc/mixer around 10 khz and will build a more elaborate device product det/af stage soon. de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23507 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 09:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 09:37:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20133 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 09:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 09:37:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Eoeg-0004Zc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:29:22 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Eoef-0004ZX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:29:21 +0000 Received: from ldsas01-65-116-57.cw-visp.com ([212.137.116.57] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16EoTp-0003iS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:18:10 +0000 Message-ID: <3C19C3A0.828E3EE2@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:17:20 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: sigs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I heard a couple of qrs sigs last nite on just below 136 khz. M0BMU/Jim was 50 db signal over noise, very strong. The other one I did not wait to see who it was. Qrs at 120 dots takes too long !! I transmitted some qrq at 1 sec dots, slow for me !! Hope someone made it to VE or W last nite/ 73 de G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19179 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 09:03:17 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 09:03:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24254 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 09:03:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 09:03:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Eny7-0004Q3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:45:23 +0000 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.88]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Eny7-0004Pw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:45:23 +0000 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16EnxM-000LPL-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:44:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:09:32 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Tom Boucher" Subject: Re: LF: QRPPPPPPPPP References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011213193820.00a0b030@mail.pncl.co.uk> In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20011213193820.00a0b030@mail.pncl.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Pull the other one Walter. I bet you had a couple of 813s on the end! 73, Tom 'OLB In message <5.1.0.14.2.20011213193820.00a0b030@mail.pncl.co.uk>, Walter Blanchard writes >Real QRP! > Yesterday I >accidentally fed my 136 antenna with the output of the divider instead of >that from the PA (mixed-up cables!) and I was surprised to see it appear on >MB7LF as a perfectly readable signal. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7824 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 08:59:20 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 08:59:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21284 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 08:59:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 08:59:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Eny6-0004Px-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:45:22 +0000 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.88]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Eny5-0004Pr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:45:21 +0000 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16EnxM-000LPU-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:44:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:11:53 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Tom Boucher" Subject: Re: LF: chips References: <3C190044.93049D9A@netscapeonline.co.uk> In-reply-to: <3C190044.93049D9A@netscapeonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Just the sort of acknowledgement I expected from this individual. In message <3C190044.93049D9A@netscapeonline.co.uk>, gii3kev writes >Thanks to all that offered information. I was looking for tomorrows >technology and not as one reply indicated something 25 years old >!!!!!!!!! from some old fashioned G3O.. living in the dark ages, still >on spark technology. >Thanks again to those that suggested high tech devices that will be >available next year. >de G3KEV > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2807 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 23:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 23:59:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 13937 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 23:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 23:59:43 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Efib-000397-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:56:49 +0000 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93] helo=rhenium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EfiZ-000392-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:56:47 +0000 Received: from host62-7-72-148.btinternet.com ([62.7.72.148] helo=default) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16Efhq-0003S1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:56:03 +0000 Message-ID: <002401c18431$be6a8380$f74a073e@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: John W1TAG, no luck ... Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:56:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John no luck with the reply button that bounced too.....its bouncing at my ISP I think as the bounce comes back quickly. Cheers de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17640 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 23:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 23:05:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 16248 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 21:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 21:40:03 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EdWn-0002mM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:36:29 +0000 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EdWl-0002mH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:36:27 +0000 Received: from host213-122-232-124.btinternet.com ([213.122.232.124] helo=default) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16EdW0-00014O-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:35:40 +0000 Message-ID: <003e01c1841e$1ffdda20$7ce87ad5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: John W1TAG...direct main bouncing Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:38:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John I have had a couple of 'non-delivery' reports for messages sent direct in the last few days. I have checked you address and it still seems that I am using the current one. There were no attachments to either of these messages. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4917 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 22:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 22:33:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 21520 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 22:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 22:33:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EeMq-0002vu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:30:16 +0000 Received: from fep04.swip.net ([130.244.199.132] helo=fep04-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EeMp-0002vp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:30:15 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([212.151.10.161]) by fep04-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20011213222930.CLRB23985.fep04-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:29:30 +0100 Message-ID: <009401c18425$ac93ac60$0a0d97d4@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011213193820.00a0b030@mail.pncl.co.uk> Subject: LF: Re: QRPPPPPPPPP Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:29:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Walter, QRP = Quality Replaces Power :-) 73 de Johan, SM6LKM >I was surprised to see it appear on MB7LF as a perfectly readable signal. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11266 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 20:26:15 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 20:26:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2086 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 20:26:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 20:26:17 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EcMt-0002Zt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:22:11 +0000 Received: from k2.pncl.co.uk ([212.35.226.183]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EcMs-0002Zo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:22:10 +0000 Received: from blanch.pncl.co.uk (215.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk [212.35.234.215]) by k2.pncl.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBDKLQq28983 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:21:26 GMT Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011213193820.00a0b030@mail.pncl.co.uk> X-Sender: blanch@mail.pncl.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:21:08 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Walter Blanchard" Subject: LF: QRPPPPPPPPP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Real QRP! My 136 kHz driver is an old IC 720 frigged to tx on all freqs; (usually not simultaneously!). It drives into two 7490's arranged as a divide-by-a-hundred so that I can put it on 13.6......... MHz and get out 136...... kHz. This then drives the rest of the Tx. Yesterday I accidentally fed my 136 antenna with the output of the divider instead of that from the PA (mixed-up cables!) and I was surprised to see it appear on MB7LF as a perfectly readable signal. Usual 74... series maximum power per gate is 10 mW and my ant setup appears to have an efficiency of 0.1% so radiated power maybe 10 microwatts. MB7LF is 17 kms from me! Walter G3JKV. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6349 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 19:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 19:29:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22039 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 19:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 19:29:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EbUP-0002OC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:25:53 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EbUM-0002O7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:25:50 +0000 Received: from ldsas17-81-132-16.cw-visp.com ([212.137.132.16] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16EbJY-0003XM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:14:41 +0000 Message-ID: <3C18FE85.D970BFED@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:16:21 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: EI3CZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello All Worked EI3CZ this afternoon. Nice signal from Rod in Dublin. Heard a very weak signal a couple of days ago during the afternoon but was unable to identify it and because of the speed none of the usual weak signal s/ware made it readable. The qrg was around 136.5 khz. Could it be ZL, W1, VK, or someone down the road qrp. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 985 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 19:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 19:28:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21813 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 19:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 19:28:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EbUR-0002OJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:25:55 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EbUQ-0002OE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:25:54 +0000 Received: from ldsas17-81-132-16.cw-visp.com ([212.137.132.16] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16EbJb-0003Xf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:14:44 +0000 Message-ID: <3C190044.93049D9A@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:23:49 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: chips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thanks to all that offered information. I was looking for tomorrows technology and not as one reply indicated something 25 years old !!!!!!!!! from some old fashioned G3O.. living in the dark ages, still on spark technology. Thanks again to those that suggested high tech devices that will be available next year. de G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6328 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 17:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 17:41:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 527 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 17:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 17:41:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EZjd-00025J-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:33:29 +0000 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EZja-00025E-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:33:26 +0000 Received: from fwd01.sul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 16EZis-0005cw-02; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:32:42 +0100 Received: from 217.2.41.30 (087321565-0001@[217.2.41.30]) by fwd01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16EZij-28C7jVC; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:32:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Just in [too late] From: "Hans-Joachim Brandt" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 4.009 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 13 Dec 2001 17:30 GMT Message-ID: <16EZij-28C7jVC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 087321565-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear all, in Munich we were sparking the "soft way": During a speech by DJ3YB about the development of radio I had the chance to demonstrate a spark transmitter simulator constructed already in the eighties: Two gates of a CMOS 4093B form an RC oscillator which can be tuned by a potentiometer from 200 Hz to 1 kHz, a third gate is keying this oscillator, and the fourth gate is amplifying the rectangular wave form, the slopes of which are pushing (via 22 pF) an LC circuit tunable from 1,8 to 3,6 MHz, with an output link to 50 ohms, thus simulating the spark transmitter as a high-grade frequency multiplier. The power is just sufficient to generate S9 in a R1000 receiver in AM. But by tuning the potentiometer through its range it is possible to demonstrate the sound of different kinds of spark transmitters, from the krrk krrk sound of a Marconi spark up to the tone sound spark pioneered by Telefunken in the following years. For better understanding a drawing of the Telefunken multiple spark gap has been displayed on the wall to discuss the way how this construction would enable a spark repetition rate of up to 1 kHz, generating a sound that could be copied much better in noise and qrn (all history now, of course, but a remarkable difference in those spark years). >From the same QTH the club station of the German Museum in Munich, DL 0 DM, had been active in CW only with usual amateur equipment, with up to 300 QSOs counted up to the early evening, contacting several other memorial stations. After returning home there was still time to copy the Marconi memorial transmission of DDH47 on 147,3 kHz at 22.30 gmt. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Ko Versteeg" schrieb: > >The sound of a spark transmitter was heard once again on an amateur >band to mark the centennial of Guglielmo Marconi's first >transatlantic radio success. It was 100 years ago, on December 12, >1901, that Marconi--at his receiving station in Newfoundland--copied >the three dits of the Morse letter ''S'' transmitted from 2000 miles >away in Cornwall, England. An Amateur Radio on the International >Space Station (ARISS) contact with students in Newfoundland also was >successfully completed. > >David Wilson, VE3BBN, near Niagara Falls, Ontario, built a low-power >rotary spark transmitter and had permission from Industry Canada to >use it December 12 from 9 to 10 PM Eastern Time (0200-0300 December >13 UTC). The operating frequency was approximately 3550 kHz. > >Wilson says the transmitter has a bandwidth of 20 kHz, and AM mode >reception with a wide IF bandwidth works best. He transmitted >''MARCONI S'' every minute during the one-hour period. > >''This is a very low-powered transmitter with 10 W spread over 20 kHz >(3-dB points) and having very broad skirts,'' he said. He said the >spark signal is highly unlikely to interfere with normal amateur >operations, but a test signal was copied at distances of at least >250 km (approximately 155 miles). Wilson used an 80-meter Windom >antenna. > >VE3BBN invites signal reports via e-mail, David Wilson, VE3BBN, >david@computan.on.ca. > >An Amateur Radio on the International Space Station contact December >12 between Frank Culbertson, KD5OPQ--operating NA1SS on the ISS--and >students at the Marconi site in Newfoundland also marked the Marconi >transatlantic centennial. During the contact between NA1SS and >Marconi Radio Project special event station VO1S, 10 students got to >quiz Culbertson about life in space. Culbertson is completing his >tour of duty aboard the ISS this week. The ninth-grade students were >winners of a crystal-set building competition associated with the >centennial observance. > >The contact was arranged with the assistance of Memorial University >of Newfoundland, The Institute of Electrical and Electronics >Engineers, and the Society of Newfoundland Radio Amateurs. > >73 Ko, NL9222 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15428 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 17:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 17:21:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 29307 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 17:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 17:09:58 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EZHI-0001zu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:04:12 +0000 Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.188]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EZHH-0001zp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:04:11 +0000 Received: from comrex (207-172-255-98.s1114.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.255.98]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n20340/mtc.v2) with SMTP id MAA22257 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:03:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301c183f8$244ae260$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011213141304.00a9daf8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: Re: 73k Last night/136k tonight Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:03:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Jim, I'd obviously be happy to be on the WOLF receiving end if anyone wants to try it. I agree with your comments, particularly about the sharp threshold. My guess is that the signal peaks would be long enough to produce periods of clear copy, and we could actually get a complete call sign across. I'll take a look tonight to see if I can find a clear patch not too far from where we have been working. And I'll be in the shack tonight, and will check both 73 and 136 kHz. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2157 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 16:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 16:46:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7029 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 16:16:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 16:16:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EYUS-0001pp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:13:44 +0000 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.138] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EYUR-0001pk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:13:43 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p1006.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.202.243]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBDGCu806933 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:12:56 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112131612.fBDGCu806933@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:13:10 +0100 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Just in [too late] X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: The sound of a spark transmitter was heard once again on an amateur band to mark the centennial of Guglielmo Marconi's first transatlantic radio success. It was 100 years ago, on December 12, 1901, that Marconi--at his receiving station in Newfoundland--copied the three dits of the Morse letter ''S'' transmitted from 2000 miles away in Cornwall, England. An Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) contact with students in Newfoundland also was successfully completed. David Wilson, VE3BBN, near Niagara Falls, Ontario, built a low-power rotary spark transmitter and had permission from Industry Canada to use it December 12 from 9 to 10 PM Eastern Time (0200-0300 December 13 UTC). The operating frequency was approximately 3550 kHz. Wilson says the transmitter has a bandwidth of 20 kHz, and AM mode reception with a wide IF bandwidth works best. He transmitted ''MARCONI S'' every minute during the one-hour period. ''This is a very low-powered transmitter with 10 W spread over 20 kHz (3-dB points) and having very broad skirts,'' he said. He said the spark signal is highly unlikely to interfere with normal amateur operations, but a test signal was copied at distances of at least 250 km (approximately 155 miles). Wilson used an 80-meter Windom antenna. VE3BBN invites signal reports via e-mail, David Wilson, VE3BBN, david@computan.on.ca. An Amateur Radio on the International Space Station contact December 12 between Frank Culbertson, KD5OPQ--operating NA1SS on the ISS--and students at the Marconi site in Newfoundland also marked the Marconi transatlantic centennial. During the contact between NA1SS and Marconi Radio Project special event station VO1S, 10 students got to quiz Culbertson about life in space. Culbertson is completing his tour of duty aboard the ISS this week. The ninth-grade students were winners of a crystal-set building competition associated with the centennial observance. The contact was arranged with the assistance of Memorial University of Newfoundland, The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, and the Society of Newfoundland Radio Amateurs. 73 Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1019 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 16:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 16:18:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16560 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 15:51:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 15:51:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EY50-0001jb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:47:26 +0000 Received: from mout04.kundenserver.de ([195.20.224.89]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EY4w-0001jU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:47:22 +0000 Received: from [172.19.20.61] (helo=mrvdomng0.kundenserver.de) by mout04.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16EY47-0007Ek-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:46:31 +0100 Received: from p3e9d236c.dip.t-dialin.net ([62.157.35.108] helo=diolog.de) by mrvdomng0.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 16EY43-0000fj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:46:27 +0100 Message-ID: <3C18A282.A312657C@diolog.de> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:43:46 +0100 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: DDH47 in slow-CW on 147.3 kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040606000609040706070100" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040606000609040706070100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, DDH47 was trasmitting a special bulletin on 147.3 kHz in CW last night, followed by a QRSS3 message. 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21614 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 16:17:26 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 16:17:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21053 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 15:58:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 15:58:03 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EYAP-0001kW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:53:01 +0000 Received: from [192.108.125.37] (helo=ns3.swh.sk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EYAN-0001kN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:53:00 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBDFowU04114 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:50:58 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA18519 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:50:50 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:50:47 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0E0@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: More info.... Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:50:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John... Yes, no problem. I'll start at 2000Z on 135.922kHz QRSS120. I'll lsn for you on both frequencies, 7025 and 14065 for X-band QSO...best regards and I hope see you later on the band... 73 de Rich OM2TW -----Original Message----- From: john currie [mailto:john.currie@ns.sympatico.ca] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:57 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: More info.... Hi Rich, I will be looking for you. If you could please start at 2000. I saw OK1FIG best at my sunset. Also 40 mtrs better for me could you listen on 7025 for crossband QSO? 73 de john VE1ZJ Gasparik Richard wrote: > Hi LF-ers... > > I have made some corrections in my activity. Look on my web site > http://www.qsl.net/om2tw. I think the 15-16. weekend activity will be very > good. See you later on the band. > > If you want a sked, please use GSM/SMS +421903416609. > > 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17583 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 15:13:49 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 15:13:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13683 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 15:13:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 15:13:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EXSo-0001cp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:07:58 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EXSn-0001ck-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:07:57 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16EXS5-0004Jj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:07:13 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16EXS4-0004t9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:07:12 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011213141304.00a9daf8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:04:56 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: 73k Last night/136k tonight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Thanks for the reports on the 73k Beacon last night. It would appear that Laurie's extra few dB of ERP makes all the difference, and also that QSB is something of a limiting factor with very long dot lengths, as was the case with 136k last winter. Running the 73k TX in Wolf mode should be OK; I have not done it before, but all the necessary circuitry is in place. I am not sure how effective it would be - earlier in the year I compared Wolf to QRSS by adding white noise to locally generated signals and comparing the SNR required to produce usable signals with each mode. The result of this was that Wolf worked at signal levels that would produce readable QRSS with 30 - 60 second dots. At this level, the advantage was with Wolf in that it is much quicker than QRSS30, however there is a fairly sharp threshold between Wolf producing perfect copy and no copy at all. So I suspect that, in it's current form, Wolf would not be able to produce any copy with the signals I can achieve on 73k. However, there are many variables, and if people are interested, I could try running a Wolf beacon on 73k. I would need to know what frequency would be suitable - the bandwidth of the BPSK signal is much wider than QRSS of course, and so a reasonably clear 40Hz or so would have to be identified on the western side of the pond before making a realistic attempt. I like VE1ZJ's idea of simultaneous 73k and 136k tests - So I think I will try a 136kHz beacon tonight, assuming Laurie and/or Peter can be QRV on 73k this evening, hopefully we can take advantage of the current fairly good conditions. I will try 135.923kHz, QRSS30 with approx 1W ERP, from about 2230 onwards, unless anyone has a better idea. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25087 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 14:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 14:08:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16640 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 14:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 14:08:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EWVf-0001T1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:06:51 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EWVe-0001St-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:06:50 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:06:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3C18B5C9.B856A70B@att.net> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:06:01 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: 73k tonight References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011211175540.00a84d00@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <002501c183d3$69de50c0$0300a8c0@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I was beginning to see Jim's signal around 0045 UTC here in NC. Shortly thereafter the band noised up as darkness moved west. There was a line of thunderstorms a few hundred miles west of my location so all I got was a noisy screen the rest of the night. Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23190 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 13:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 13:18:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25413 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 13:18:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 13:18:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EViT-0001L7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:16:01 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EViS-0001L2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:16:00 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.88.43]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:15:46 -0400 Message-ID: <3C18F0AE.86C114B@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:17:18 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73 last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Jim es Laurie , Didn' start until 0100Z so missed first opening. Saw both stations intermitently from 0430 til 0630 Laurie popped up again for short time around 0730. At no time did I get complete calls from either station only individual letters. Laurie was in more often than Jim. Condx this year don't seem as good as last year. Of course the lower freq and poorer ant efficiency dont help. But I feel condx are much poorer. The solar flux this year is running 210 to 240. Six meters has been open to Europe almost every morning around 0930 since mid november. The ionosphere has been very disturbed during this period. Last night there were 2 solar flares one around 2200Z es the other 0640 this morning. The K index was between 1es 5 yesterday. In contrast last year solar flux was around 140, 160 es I had very few 6 meter Eu contacts. The number of flares in Dec was very low. I hope some people start 136 xmissions so we can compare the condx on without the freq effect. 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2899 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 12:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 12:45:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 27960 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 12:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 12:45:56 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EVBV-0001Du-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:41:57 +0000 Received: from dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.14] helo=dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EVBT-0001Dp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:41:56 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 6895295 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:47:28 -0500 Message-ID: <002501c183d3$69de50c0$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011211175540.00a84d00@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: Re: 73k tonight Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:40:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie, Jim, et al: Last evening (13 Dec) was not all that bad down on 73 kHz. There were two periods of decent copy, the first from about 0000 to 0100, and the second from 0430 to 0700. In both cases, Laurie's and Jim's signals both went in and out together. Laurie definitely had the better signal here. Got the end and the beginning of an ID during the first peak, and a complete ID and some pieces in the second. Still could not get a full ID from Jim. The M0 is visible twice, but it sure takes a long time to send! A couple of screen shots may be seen at: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/13-dec-1.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/13-dec-2.jpg There has not been a repeat of evening-long good propagation in three weeks. In the interim, we have been getting periods of 1-2 hours where some signal is present. Laurie has a clear advantage here, with the shorter ID time, to say nothing of the more quickly recognized signal. I wonder if WOLF would be a possibility at this frequency. I would think that the antenna bandwidth might be too narrow, but don't have enough details to make a judgement. Jim's WOLF signal on 136 kHz was excellent here last winter, and I wonder if it is possible for him to transmit in that mode at 73 kHz. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21698 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 12:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 12:16:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2370 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 12:16:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 12:16:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EUiH-00017u-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:11:45 +0000 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.163]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EUiG-00017n-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:11:44 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.7d.1f017deb (3861) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:10:53 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.1f017deb.2949f4cd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:10:53 EST Subject: Re: LF: Chips To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 12/13/01 10:42:12 AM GMT Standard Time, tom@telemetry.demon.co.uk writes:


course is the basis for a synthesiser. I used a CD4046 PLL chip with a
CD 4059 programmable divider but have no idea if these are still
available as it was about 25 years ago!


Yes they are available for about 50 pence and Ł5

Merry Christmas

David G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4767 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 12:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 12:10:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21856 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 12:10:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 12:10:35 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EUdt-000170-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:07:13 +0000 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.136] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EUds-00016v-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:07:12 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p0821.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.202.58]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBDC6RV22111 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:06:27 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112131206.fBDC6RV22111@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:6:39 +0100 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73kHz Beacons X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Jim, Laurie.. group Beacons last night: M0BMU -47.7dB G3AQC -45.4dB 73 Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4254 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 10:42:35 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 10:42:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2549 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 10:42:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 10:42:39 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ETGP-0000sq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:38:53 +0000 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.88]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ETGN-0000sk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:38:52 +0000 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16ETFd-0009cw-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:38:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:33:31 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Tom Boucher" Subject: Re: LF: Chips In-reply-to: <3C17A882.3516A215@virgin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: The other method is to use a phase-locked-loop: VCO at output frequency, divided down to the source frequency, phase compared with the source, phase comparator output controls the VCO via a loop filter. This is a useful way of locking one frequency to another apparently unrelated one which I have used successfully in the past and which of course is the basis for a synthesiser. I used a CD4046 PLL chip with a CD 4059 programmable divider but have no idea if these are still available as it was about 25 years ago! Phase noise might be a problem if you are looking for absolute spectral purity. Tom, G3OLB In message <3C17A882.3516A215@virgin.net>, Stewart Bryant writes >Use three push-push doublers in series. > >minicircuits do one, but the LF spec is 50KHz, so you might have >to build a discrete one for the first stage (center-tapped transformer, >two-diodes and a capacitor) > >Stewart G3YSX > > >gii3kev wrote: > >> Hello All >> There are numerious chips available for dividing frequency but what is >> available for multiplying, eg. >> I have a W & G freq generator 200 hz - 20 khz and want to use it for >> 136 khz as a driving tx source. Is there a chip device that multiplies >> this up to the desired freq. >> say x 8 1600 hz - 160 khz. >> I am trying to avoid the convential method with descrete components, >> another approach would be to mix/hetrodyne it to the desired freq with >> an appropriate xtal osc cct. >> All advice appreciated. >> 73 de Mal/G3KEV > -- Tom Boucher Telemetry Consultants Limited 10 Market Square Chesham Buckinghamshire HP5 1ES UK Tel: (44)(0)1494 792433 Fax: (44)(0)1494 792533 Mobile:07932-615232 www.telemetry.demon.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10697 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 09:04:02 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 09:04:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24977 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 09:04:07 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 09:04:07 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ERhj-0000au-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:58:59 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ERhf-0000ap-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:58:55 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fBD8vepV103088 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:57:40 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20011213095456.2d3f78a0@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:54:56 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Chips In-reply-to: <3C17885E.8063C550@netscapeonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 16:39 12/12/01 +0000, you wrote: >Hello All >There are numerious chips available for dividing frequency but what is >available for multiplying, eg. Hi Mal, Frequency multiplying is a complete different story than frequency dividing. While the last is done digital, multiplying is a non-linear analog thing. If you want to multiply a signal source that doesn't change is frequency (or has only a minimal change) you can do it the classic way (class C amp followed by a resonant circuit on the desired harmonic). If you want to use a 'black box' there are some frequency doublers ,eg. by MiniCircuits, that perform frequency doubling or alternatively you could use any double balanced mixer where you would actually mix the frequency by itself. Using an active DBM - such as MC1496, SO42P, NE612 - will give a pretty good efficiency and surpression of the source frequency. But additional filtering is still recommended (also with the MiniCircuit stuff). Anyway, for you purpose (x8) you would need a chain of 3 doublers and have to handle a lot of unwanted signals. An alternative path might be a PLL, at the frequencies you mention a CMOS4046 should do fine. With a PLL you won't suffer from any 'sub-harmonics' but a proper design is needed to keep phasenoise within acceptable limits. Using a PLL system you wouldn't need more than 2 CMOS IC's, a 4046 PLL and a divide-by-8 IC (many possibilities, 4018, 4020, 4022, 4024, 4029, 4040, 4516, 4520 etc...). 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17535 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 20:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 20:57:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14721 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 20:57:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 20:57:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EGPI-0007lK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:55:12 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EGPH-0007lF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:55:11 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.102.175]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:50:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3C1809C0.669008FF@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:52:01 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73 last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Jim , I looked at many screen captures for last night. It does appear that there was a signal at 401.8 but could not identify. Previously I looked at Laurie's freq. He was not on last night. Will record again tonight start 2130 GL 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1407 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 19:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 19:40:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 13807 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 19:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 19:40:35 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EFDX-0007bK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:38:59 +0000 Received: from imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.179]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EFDX-0007bF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:38:59 +0000 Received: from modem-245.edoras.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.171.245] helo=g3aqc) by imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16EFCo-00054r-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:38:15 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c18344$9fc531c0$f5ab883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. 73kHz tonight. Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:38:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John asks "will anyone else be on 136/73 tonight ? Yes John I will be on 72.401 from 2130. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 907 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 19:02:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 19:02:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12153 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 19:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 19:02:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EEcD-0007Un-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:00:25 +0000 Received: from mrwint.cisco.com ([198.135.0.176] helo=cisco.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EEcC-0007UG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:00:24 +0000 Received: from virgin.net (ams-clip-vpn-dhcp94.cisco.com [10.50.0.93]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17129 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:59:07 GMT Message-ID: <3C17A882.3516A215@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:57:06 +0000 From: "Stewart Bryant" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Chips References: <3C17885E.8063C550@netscapeonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Use three push-push doublers in series. minicircuits do one, but the LF spec is 50KHz, so you might have to build a discrete one for the first stage (center-tapped transformer, two-diodes and a capacitor) Stewart G3YSX gii3kev wrote: > Hello All > There are numerious chips available for dividing frequency but what is > available for multiplying, eg. > I have a W & G freq generator 200 hz - 20 khz and want to use it for > 136 khz as a driving tx source. Is there a chip device that multiplies > this up to the desired freq. > say x 8 1600 hz - 160 khz. > I am trying to avoid the convential method with descrete components, > another approach would be to mix/hetrodyne it to the desired freq with > an appropriate xtal osc cct. > All advice appreciated. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26365 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 18:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 18:35:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15732 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 18:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 18:35:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EEBg-0007OP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:33:00 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EEBf-0007OK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:32:59 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.89.114]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:27:58 -0400 Message-ID: <3C17A38B.72FB2CB0@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:35:58 -0400 From: "John Currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 73kHz tonight References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011212170201.00aa1b50@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Jim , I looked from 0000 til 1100 and saw nil. Will look again tonight. have 120 sec dots and auto capture so should have seen u if prop was ok. Will look again when get home. Will anyone else be transmitting on 136 or 72 tonight? 73 de John VE1ZJ James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > Will be operating the 72.4018kHz beacon with 120s dots again tonight from > about 2230 onwards. > > It seems the E-mail I sent yesterday on the same subject did not get out > until this morning due to a fault with the servers here, so guess no-one > was listening last night! > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25547 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 18:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 18:35:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25351 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 18:35:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 18:35:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EEAk-0007OG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:32:02 +0000 Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.98]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EEAj-0007OB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:32:01 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.fc.10928b0c (4238) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:31:11 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:31:10 EST Subject: Re: LF: spectrum analysis To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10504 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Using a spectrum analysis program to observe weak normal CW signals ?

As I see it, using a spectrum analysis program with waterfall display does not really help to copy weak CW signals at conventional speeds around 20wpm.
One of "these programs"  has a fast running waterfall which draws a new line of pixels every 10 milliseconds, but the frequency resolution *must be* much lower than for QRSS so there is not much gain from this. So it is quite useless for detecting weak CW signals, but gives an impressive colorful display when monitoring shortwave during a CQWW contest.

The best one can do is using an appropriate narrow-band filter for aural copy, no matter if it's an analogue one, a DSP box, or a PC running Spectran etc.  An alternative may be the use of Coherent CW, I guess there are some programs on the market making CCW a bit easier now than it was many years ago.


Don't expect the ultimate wonder from DSP-based audio filters, if the IF bandwidth of your receiver, selective pegel meter or whatever is already below 100 Hz !
The benefit when going from 100Hz BW to 50Hz BW is not 3dB, because the human ear already does a good job to detect the presence of a single tone in the noise...

Regards,
 Wolf DL4YHF.

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22391 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 18:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 18:03:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29986 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 18:03:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 18:03:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EDe3-0007Gb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:58:15 +0000 Received: from [204.202.140.198] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EDe1-0007GV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:58:13 +0000 Received: from gomailjtp05 ([10.212.0.165]) by mta06.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0GO800JG9SHD5C@mta06.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:56:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:56:00 -0800 (PST) From: "John Sexton" Subject: Re: LF: Spark Transmission To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <4444198.1008179763580.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Andy, Yes I saw that too. Shame we appear to have missed it. Although the source of the RF is spark, presumably it can still be filtered and fed to a tuned antenna, so perhaps the frequency can be quite accurate? although I guess there is an optimum band of frequencies from the spark. Does anyone know anything on this score? John, G4CNN -----Original Message----- From: "Talbot Andrew" To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Wed Dec 12 05:04:01 PST 2001 Subject: LF: Spark Transmission >>According to the RSGB News, there is a Royal Navy Spark Transmission from >Poldhu today, to celebrate the marconi centenary. Does anyone have any >further details, such as a frequency ? Very approximate presumably. > >Andy G4JNT > > >-- >The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence >is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). >For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, >or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is >prohibited and may be unlawful. > ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7894 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 17:10:11 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 17:10:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12380 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 17:10:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 17:10:13 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ECrD-00078s-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:07:47 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ECrB-00078l-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:07:45 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16ECqU-0000bL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:07:02 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ECqT-0001w1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:07:02 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011212170201.00aa1b50@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:07:01 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: 73kHz tonight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Will be operating the 72.4018kHz beacon with 120s dots again tonight from about 2230 onwards. It seems the E-mail I sent yesterday on the same subject did not get out until this morning due to a fault with the servers here, so guess no-one was listening last night! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13876 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 17:06:18 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 17:06:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14249 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 17:06:07 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 17:06:07 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16EClm-00077o-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:02:10 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ECll-00077j-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:02:09 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16ECl2-0007gY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:01:24 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ECl2-0001pm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:01:24 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011212153724.00a97600@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:01:23 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: W&G SPMs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, I don't know about the SPM-12, but I have the SPM-6 and SPM-19, both of which use a 10kHz final IF, available at a socket on the rear. The little SPM3 has a different arrangement with 650kHz and 1.5kHz IFs. The filters use pot cores and discrete crystals, so there are no easily identified filter cans inside. The -6 and -19 both have demodulated SSB outputs, the -19 has an internal speaker, while the -6 has sockets on the rear panel. As previously mentioned, all these units can be interconnected via the auxilliary sockets to the corresponding PS- series generator, to allow level meter and generator to be tuned simultaneously via the level meter tuning knob. Both units measure signal levels extremely accurately over very wide ranges, and with the generator can also measure gain and loss very accurately too, so the combination is excellent for investigating filters, bridge measurements and so on. However, they are not really intended to be receivers, so the front ends have no preselection at all, the demodulated outputs are very inflexible (eg. fixed 2kHz pitch and 3kHz bandwidth, intended for "frequency division multiplex" SSB voice), and lack things like variable gain controls and AGC. It is possible to use them as receivers quite successfully, but you will have to add your own preselection, and an external demodulator is probably best. I used the SPM-19 with a homebrew external demodulator quite effectively last winter, to receive VA3LK and others. I have also used DL4YHF's Spectrum Lab software to demodulate the 10kHz IF output. This is very flexible - the software can mix the 10kHz down to 650Hz or 800Hz or whatever you like. The latest version allows you to implement audio filters in software of any bandwidth and center frequency within reason too. You can listen on the sound card output and watch the waterfall display simultaneously. All you really need is a lead to connect IF output to sound card mic input, although you will have to experiment with the gain levels of both the level meter and the PC's "volume control" software to get a sensible gain distribution, and also to mute unwanted audio paths to the soundcard output. If you try using Spectrum Lab in this way and find you have problems such as no audio or hearing input and output simultaneously, it usually will actually be "volume control" settings causing them. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3365 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 16:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 16:55:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 27986 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 16:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 16:55:58 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ECbv-00073L-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:51:59 +0000 Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.188]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ECbt-00073F-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:51:58 +0000 Received: from comrex (209-122-233-200.s2010.apx2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.233.200]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n20340/mtc.v2) with SMTP id LAA05577 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:50:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002001c1832d$4195fc40$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: LF: Catching up... Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:50:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Bill, Have been sort of out of commission for a couple of days... but I'm back. I've been able to hear TH best in the daytime. Was listening on Monday morning, and it was very clear. Nights are tough with all the electrical garbage. Have not yet seen any sign that DCH is on the air. Was able to copy him during the day in December, last year. I'd see it on Argo/Spectran before it was audible, so I don't think he's on the air. With RI still out of commission, there's nothing else for daytime reception, as far as I can tell. John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 173 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 16:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 16:49:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22333 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 16:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 16:49:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ECR0-00071b-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:40:42 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ECQz-00071W-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:40:41 +0000 Received: from ldsas01-65-116-205.cw-visp.com ([212.137.116.205] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16ECGB-0000n1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:29:32 +0000 Message-ID: <3C17885E.8063C550@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:39:58 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: Chips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello All There are numerious chips available for dividing frequency but what is available for multiplying, eg. I have a W & G freq generator 200 hz - 20 khz and want to use it for 136 khz as a driving tx source. Is there a chip device that multiplies this up to the desired freq. say x 8 1600 hz - 160 khz. I am trying to avoid the convential method with descrete components, another approach would be to mix/hetrodyne it to the desired freq with an appropriate xtal osc cct. All advice appreciated. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25447 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 13:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 13:59:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 13236 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 13:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 13:59:22 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16E9qp-0006Ob-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:55:11 +0000 Received: from ligarius-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.189]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16E9qo-0006OS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:55:10 +0000 Received: from comrex (207-172-97-141.s141.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.97.141]) by ligarius-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n26500/mtc.v2) with SMTP id IAA31807 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:54:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000f01c18314$8f6c2b60$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C65E@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> Subject: LF: Re: Spark Transmission Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:54:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Andy, > According to the RSGB News, there is a Royal Navy Spark Transmission from > Poldhu today, to celebrate the marconi centenary. Does anyone have any > further details, such as a frequency ? Very approximate presumably. I believe that the transmissions will center on 1700 kHz, and will happen at :55 each hour. Having typed that, I realized the impropriety of quoting a spark transmitter's frequency in "kHz." How about 176.35 meters? And I have no idea what their decrement is. Since we have broadcast stations on 1700 over here, I decided not to bother trying overnight. Perhaps I could have tuned up to 1720 or so, and still have done OK! John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26062 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 13:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 13:08:37 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 23321 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 13:08:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 13:08:39 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16E94W-0006Er-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:05:16 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16E94U-0006Em-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:05:15 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id NAA16047; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:13:25 GMT Received: (qmail 9486 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 13:54:48 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 13:54:48 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id NAA13356; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:27:10 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma013353; Wed, 12 Dec 01 13:26:49 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:09:18 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:04:05 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C65E@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Spark Transmission Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:04:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: According to the RSGB News, there is a Royal Navy Spark Transmission from Poldhu today, to celebrate the marconi centenary. Does anyone have any further details, such as a frequency ? Very approximate presumably. Andy G4JNT -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20953 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 12:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 12:26:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 11656 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 12:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 12:26:31 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16E8Ms-00066V-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:20:10 +0000 Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.172]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16E8Mq-00066Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:20:08 +0000 Received: from modem-100.leopard-shark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.37.228] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16E8M6-0008J1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:19:22 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c18307$507c07c0$e425893e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. 73kHz Beacon Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:19:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, Alan recons that we are in a stable period for a few days and as this ties up with my own observations, I will resume the beacon for the next few days from tonight. DFCW120 Freq 72,401.2/3Hz. I hope to start about 21.30 and will continue until 0900 utc. I note that Jim will also be transmitting so there will be two of us to look out for. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25213 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 09:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 09:11:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 16259 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 09:11:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 09:11:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16E5La-0005Ip-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:06:38 +0000 Received: from phobos.unica.co.uk ([208.239.240.147]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16E54C-0005CT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:48:40 +0000 Received: from [194.201.52.152] (helo=mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk) by phobos.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 16DsCJ-0004AD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:04:11 -0500 Received: from ldsas20-84-135-63.cw-visp.com ([212.137.135.63] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16Drrb-0002N2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:42:49 +0000 Message-ID: <3C165616.B9855D25@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:53:10 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: W and G References: <019101c1819d$19bf4aa0$ad2dfd3e@compaq> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Tracey Gardner wrote: > Hi Mal > > Have a look at, > > http://www.cooke-int.com/manuals/W.htm > > They have got the W & G SPM 12 Level Meter Operating Handbook for > Ł15.00 > and the System manual for Ł20.00. > I'd guess that you need the system manual which will contain the > circuit diagrams etc. Hello Tracy. You keep pointing me in certain directions about manuals and who the suppliers are etc but I need technical information from users like yourself and others using such devices. They are generally the same, regardless of version. I had a very important message from ZL saying the last IF was 10 khz This is valuable info, and all I need to know now from someone where the box containing the 10 khz IF happens to be so that I can build an osc to mix with the IF to be able to copy cw/ssb, otherwise it means stripping the unit down and identifying each box. Your approach would cost me more than the device is worth. You seem very interested in LF but cannot say we have worked. I am on nearly every day at sometime. Let me know if you would like a QSO sometime. 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > Tracey > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24855 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 09:11:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 09:11:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15924 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 09:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 09:11:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16E5LZ-0005Ij-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:06:37 +0000 Received: from phobos.unica.co.uk ([208.239.240.147]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16E54B-0005CT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:48:39 +0000 Received: from [194.201.52.152] (helo=mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk) by phobos.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 16DsCQ-0004AH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:04:18 -0500 Received: from ldsas20-84-135-63.cw-visp.com ([212.137.135.63] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16Drrj-0002O5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:42:56 +0000 Message-ID: <3C16561D.367AC2DC@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:53:17 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: spectrum analysis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello all There are at least 3 well known spectrum analysis progs about at the moment. and they are brilliant for very slow cw but I do not seem to be able to observe normal cw that is very weak. Some of the older versions were good for all speeds QRQ or QRS. I have tried all sorts of speeding up processes and filter adjustments etc but to no avail. Am I missing something about adjustment/parameter control for speeds up to say 20 wpm. de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9984 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 09:04:25 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 09:04:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 3094 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 09:04:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 09:04:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16E5CQ-0005F0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:57:10 +0000 Received: from phobos.unica.co.uk ([208.239.240.147]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16E54G-0005CT-01 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:48:45 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by phobos.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 16DrVC-0003RI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:19:38 -0500 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16DrKJ-00050f-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:08:23 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16DrKJ-0005nm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:08:23 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011211175540.00a84d00@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:08:23 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: 73k tonight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Have just got back from my weekend trip - thanks for the reports for the 73kHz beacon from Friday night. I will be running the beacon again on 72.4018kHz, QRSS120, again tonight from about 2230 onwards. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23247 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 22:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 22:37:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13045 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 22:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 22:37:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DZ1J-0001kN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:35:33 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DZ1I-0001kI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:35:33 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:34:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3C153888.7545B9A0@att.net> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:34:48 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" Organization: JDM Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re. 73kHz Beacon References: <004b01c181c5$6e351ec0$efa8883e@g3aqc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie Mayhead wrote: > > Hi All, > I'm pretty tired so will give the beacon a miss tonight. > 73s Laurie. Laurie, I see activity on your frequency just about every night you transmit. Since you are not transmitting tonight I will watch your frequency anyway to see what I get. Since I think I can tell when you are transmitting I know a way I could copy your call. If I see activity on your frequency one night but not the next we'll call that a dot. Two night in a row equals a dash. Two nights in a row with no activity equals a space. I'm not going to figure up how long that would take because I've already wasted enough of my time typing this and your time reading it :) 73, Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16319 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 21:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 21:58:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 24870 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 21:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 21:58:00 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DYP7-0001eh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:56:05 +0000 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.174]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DYP6-0001ec-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:56:05 +0000 Received: from modem-125.annatar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.115.253] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16DYOL-0006HI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:55:17 +0000 Message-ID: <004b01c181c5$6e351ec0$efa8883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. 73kHz Beacon Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:55:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, I'm pretty tired so will give the beacon a miss tonight. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20063 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 20:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 20:49:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 13126 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 20:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 20:49:47 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DX22-0001U7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:28:10 +0000 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.43]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DX22-0001U2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:28:10 +0000 Received: from compaq ([62.253.45.147]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with SMTP id <20011210202723.CXBL29646.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@compaq> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:27:23 +0000 Message-ID: <02bf01c181b9$1a274a80$ad2dfd3e@compaq> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: W & G Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:17:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Mal Your SPM12 wasn't intended to be "listened to" it was designed specifically for level measuring. I have some Siemens SLVMs that only have a meter and a pen recorder output on the front panel, ie they weren't designed to output audio. My SPM19 will output USB and LSB audio using the 3.1kHz bandwidth but there is no audio output from the narrower bandwidths. Tracey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 814 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 20:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 20:38:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20982 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 20:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 20:38:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DWqv-0001TB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:16:41 +0000 Received: from public2.thorcom.com ([212.172.148.20] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DWqu-0001T6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:16:40 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by public2.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16DWeY-0006ru-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:03:54 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.110.86]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:07:45 -0400 Message-ID: <3C155CBC.6EED5BEF@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:09:16 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi will anybody be transmitting tonight? Laurie did you get pict from last night's reception? Saw you up til 0815Z 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9959 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 19:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 19:28:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 20052 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 19:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 19:28:49 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DW17-0001La-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:23:09 +0000 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz ([203.109.252.8] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DW15-0001LV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:23:07 +0000 Received: from p150 (p53-max1.chc.ihug.co.nz [203.173.224.53]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id IAA28184 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:22:15 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.ihug.co.nz: Host p53-max1.chc.ihug.co.nz [203.173.224.53] claimed to be p150 Message-ID: <006501c181ae$850deee0$0100a8c0@p150> From: "Dave Brown" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C14B176.2B9BDAA4@netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: LF: Re: W and G Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:11:48 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: SPM12 IF freqs are 8 MHZ and 10 kHz. Be aware the 25Hz b/w is an option and may not be fitted. The PS12 is the matching level oscillator and the pair can be synchronously tuned using appropriate interconnections. Likewise the OD12 is a an external afc/fine frequency controlling device that has provision for a number of preset freqs and allows 1 Hz step freq settings. 73 Dave ZL3FJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "gii3kev" To: "rsgb rsgb" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 1:58 AM Subject: LF: W and G > I have a W and G level meter SPM12. > This one has 3 b/widths of 1.74 khz, 500 hz and 25 hz but does not have > a ssb or cw facility, the output appears to be AM only. > Inside the unit I can see 8mhz and 6 mhz labels on some little boxes. > On the back panel there are 2 bnc sockets, one labelled INPUT connect > with OD-12 and the other OUTPUT labelled connect with PS-12. Is this > some sort of ext unit for an osc for cw/ssb etc > I would appreciate help from anyone that knows this unit or a similar > one. > If you could tell me the IF o/put freq of this or similar units I could > make a bfo for cw/ssb o/put. > Tnx in advance de Mal/G3KEV > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11564 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 18:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 18:39:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15109 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 18:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 18:39:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DVFj-0001FB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:34:11 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DVFi-0001F6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:34:10 +0000 Received: from ldsas01-65-116-148.cw-visp.com ([212.137.116.148] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16DV4v-0003z5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:23:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3C14FF9A.9B36A2A1@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:31:54 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: W & G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello to everyone that responded to my query about the model SPM- 12 level meter/rx. I do not see any label inside indicating 10 khz but looking at the scope at one o/put it indicates a sine wave of around 1mhz. This seems to be an osc output rather than an IF out. There must be an external unit that can be connected for mixing etc for ssb/cw use. With such narrow b/widths as per my last message it would not be feasable on AM to use the unit by itself and in fact would be pushing it on ssb. Someone out there must have the answer. Thanks again to all and maybe others might have some info still to come. de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6391 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 17:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 17:12:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 27817 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 17:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 17:12:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DTu3-000159-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:07:43 +0000 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.42]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DTu2-000154-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:07:42 +0000 Received: from compaq ([62.253.45.173]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with SMTP id <20011210170656.ROZQ2135.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@compaq> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:06:56 +0000 Message-ID: <019101c1819d$19bf4aa0$ad2dfd3e@compaq> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: W and G Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:06:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Mal Have a look at, http://www.cooke-int.com/manuals/W.htm They have got the W & G SPM 12 Level Meter Operating Handbook for Ł15.00 and the System manual for Ł20.00. I'd guess that you need the system manual which will contain the circuit diagrams etc. Tracey >I would appreciate help from anyone that knows this unit or a similar >one. >If you could tell me the IF o/put freq of this or similar units I could >make a bfo for cw/ssb o/put. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15900 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 15:47:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 15:47:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2617 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 15:47:41 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 15:47:41 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DSaE-0000qY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:43:10 +0000 Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.106]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DSaD-0000qS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:43:09 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.6d.1edd6119 (4230) for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:42:21 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.1edd6119.294631dd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:42:21 EST Subject: Re: LF: W and G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10504 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Mal,

if Alberto is right and the W&G 12 really has an IF output in the 10kHz range, it is indeed possible to do the last "demodulation step" completely by software.
In fact, you can use  Spectrum Lab to convert any frequency between 20 Hz and 22(24)kHz into anything you like (with sideband rejection), and filter the downconverted signal to any bandwidth you prefer (thanks to Jim, M0BMU who recently sent me an excellent design procedure for narrow band filters).

Spectrum Lab is currently undergoing "major surgery" to make it capable for stereo processing, so if it's not too urgent you should wait for the next version (V1.7).

73, Wolf DL4YHF.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13996 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 15:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 15:47:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2044 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 15:46:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 15:46:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DSZQ-0000qO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:42:20 +0000 Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.39]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DSZK-0000qG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:42:18 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.18d.35772a (4230) for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:40:52 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <18d.35772a.29463183@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:40:51 EST Subject: Re: LF: Re: ARGO capture question To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10504 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Alberto,

I had the same problem some time ago and found it quite annoying to fool around with the 256-color mode and the color palette routines (however i still support that mode for that old 75-MHz-reptile used at DF0WD). A modern CPU moves 32-bit values as fast as 8-bit values, so why support this old mode anyway.
I would leave the routines as they are, not waste too much time for it. You might display a message box to inform the user that he is still using 256-color modes. Just a thought...

73  Wolf  DL4YHF.

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29049 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 15:20:26 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 15:20:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7530 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 15:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 15:20:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DS8a-0000lw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:14:36 +0000 Received: from mail.london-1.starlabs.net ([212.125.75.12] helo=server-8.tower-4.starlabs.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DS8Y-0000lj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:14:34 +0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 25968 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 15:10:10 -0000 Received: from merimac.us.gases.boc.com (HELO merimac) (204.149.80.4) by server-8.tower-4.starlabs.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 15:10:10 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:16:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: "'Alberto di Bene'" Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "Lowfer@Qth.Net" Subject: LF: RE: [Lowfer] ARGO capture question Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:04:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: -----Original Message----- From: Alberto di Bene [mailto:dibene@usa.net] Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 10:20 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Lowfer@Qth.Net Subject: Re: [Lowfer] ARGO capture question "Paul A. Cianciolo" wrote: > Hello Folks, > > Was trying to do some ARGO captures last night for the first time. > When I checked this morning I found mostly multicolored snow. > [...] Paul, this is the second report of such a behavior. Here's a third. I get exactly the same effect after about 50 screen captures in a row. I'm running the latest ARGO Rev on Windows 98. Paul, have you lengthened the default capture interval? Bill WA It seems to happen in rare circumstances, very seldom. I haven't been so far able to reproduce it. I tried to push the Argo window out of the screen, but then what happens is that only the visible part is captured. I must say however that I am using Windows 2000. It is quite possible that there is a different behavior with a different Windows version. If, through trial and testing, you or any other will be able to nail down the exact procedure to make it happen , then I will most probably be able to fix it. Thanks. 73 Alberto I2PHD To unsubscribe, send to MAJORDOMO@qth.net "unsubscribe lowfer" (Do not send to list!!) Send on list submissions to lowfer@qth.net ********************************************************************* This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. However, it is still recommended that you use local virus scanning software to monitor for the presence of viruses. ********************************************************************* ********************************************************************* This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. However, it is still recommended that you use local virus scanning software to monitor for the presence of viruses. ********************************************************************* From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2683 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 13:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 13:53:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 3910 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 13:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 13:53:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DQo0-0000VI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:49:16 +0000 Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.101]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DQny-0000V6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:49:15 +0000 Received: from northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (northrelay01.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.21]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA249830 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:45:10 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss14.pok.socks.ibm.com [9.14.3.66]) by northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBADluv124400 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:47:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3C14BCCD.B37AD331@usa.net> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:46:53 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LF Mailing List" Subject: LF: Re: W and G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: > I have a W and G level meter SPM12. > > If you could tell me the IF o/put freq of this or similar units I could > make a bfo for cw/ssb o/put. Not sure if this applies also to the SPM12, but I have used temporarily a Selective Voltmeter from W&G which had a last IF output at 10 kHz. You need a product detector, implemented either in hardware or software (at this frequency it is practical to do it) for SSB reception. Unless I am mistaken, the latest version of SpecLab from Wolf DL4YHF has an I/Q demodulator that could be used for this. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22038 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 13:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 13:11:58 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19274 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 13:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 13:12:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DQ7b-0000Nk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:05:27 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DQ7a-0000Nf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:05:27 +0000 Received: from ldsas06-70-121-14.cw-visp.com ([212.137.121.14] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16DPwm-0005zx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:54:16 +0000 Message-ID: <3C14B176.2B9BDAA4@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:58:30 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: W and G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I have a W and G level meter SPM12. This one has 3 b/widths of 1.74 khz, 500 hz and 25 hz but does not have a ssb or cw facility, the output appears to be AM only. Inside the unit I can see 8mhz and 6 mhz labels on some little boxes. On the back panel there are 2 bnc sockets, one labelled INPUT connect with OD-12 and the other OUTPUT labelled connect with PS-12. Is this some sort of ext unit for an osc for cw/ssb etc I would appreciate help from anyone that knows this unit or a similar one. If you could tell me the IF o/put freq of this or similar units I could make a bfo for cw/ssb o/put. Tnx in advance de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8549 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 12:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 12:58:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24106 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 12:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 12:57:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DPxL-0000KL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:54:51 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DPxK-0000KG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:54:50 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.109.20]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:55:05 -0400 Message-ID: <3C14F754.23EFACB8@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:56:36 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: More info.... References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0DB@btss103a.swh.sk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Rich, I will be looking for you. If you could please start at 2000. I saw OK1FIG best at my sunset. Also 40 mtrs better for me could you listen on 7025 for crossband QSO? 73 de john VE1ZJ Gasparik Richard wrote: > Hi LF-ers... > > I have made some corrections in my activity. Look on my web site > http://www.qsl.net/om2tw. I think the 15-16. weekend activity will be very > good. See you later on the band. > > If you want a sked, please use GSM/SMS +421903416609. > > 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22984 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 12:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 12:38:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6955 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 12:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 12:38:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DPdP-0000HD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:34:15 +0000 Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.101]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DPdL-0000H6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:34:11 +0000 Received: from northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (northrelay01.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.21]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA383030; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:29:53 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss14.pok.socks.ibm.com [9.14.3.66]) by northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fBACWdv43928; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:32:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3C14AB28.4127D428@usa.net> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:31:36 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LF Mailing List" , lowfer@qth.net Subject: LF: Re: ARGO capture question References: <3C122F82.6B1D3EF7@usa.net> <3C123750.46A9@pacbell.net> <3C123FFD.70A19AB4@usa.net> <3C139226.4230@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I have done some tests both with Argo and Spectran and, indeed, when working in 256-color mode, the screen capture is less than optimal, though not as totally trashed as in some examples that have been sent to me. Both in Argo and Spectran, the 256-color mode has been added as an afterthought, only because some users, at that time, weren't able to work in higher color resolutions. And I must confess that the support of this mode leaves something to be desired in both programs. With today's graphics cards, the 256-color mode is a thing of the past, IMHO. There is no more any performance penalty when going higher, to Hi-Color (65536 colors), or True-Color (16+ millions of colors) modes. And these modes today are supported practically by all the grahics cards. So I think it would be a waste of time to struggle to improve the support for the 256-color mode. What you all think ? 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27222 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 10:21:25 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 10:21:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25420 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 10:21:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 10:21:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DNRj-00001S-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:14:03 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DNRh-00001N-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:14:02 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBAACvU26042 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:12:59 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA26044 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:12:49 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:12:46 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C0DB@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" Subject: LF: More info.... Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:12:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi LF-ers... I have made some corrections in my activity. Look on my web site http://www.qsl.net/om2tw. I think the 15-16. weekend activity will be very good. See you later on the band. If you want a sked, please use GSM/SMS +421903416609. 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10986 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 22:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 22:08:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 12878 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 22:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 22:08:42 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DC4X-0007T4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 22:05:21 +0000 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.23]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DC4V-0007Sz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 22:05:19 +0000 Received: from modem-102.porcupine-puffer.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.50.230] helo=g3aqc) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16DC3n-0001Rf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 22:04:36 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c180fd$8fe4c3e0$e632893e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. 73kHz Beacon Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:04:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, Just seen a pic. from John which is very good so will transmit after all tonight. Starting now Best of luck 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1635 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 20:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 20:22:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7968 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 20:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 20:22:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DARp-0007GJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 20:21:17 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16DARo-0007GE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 20:21:16 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.65.66]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:11:58 -0400 Message-ID: <3C140C37.D7DB525F@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 20:13:28 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re. 73kHz Beacon References: <000b01c180e8$a1e6a5a0$14ad883e@g3aqc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi laurie , i thought i copied u rather well last night. The picture I sent didn't make it so I resent it. Hope someone transmits tonight 73 de John VE1ZJ Laurie Mayhead wrote: > John and Dex, > Many thanks for the reports,I think conditions are a bit static > at the moment so I won't transmit tonight (could do with the sleep). I will > advise when things look better. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4798 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 19:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 19:37:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 23563 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 19:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 19:37:17 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16D9jX-00079h-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:35:31 +0000 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.23]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16D9jX-00079c-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:35:31 +0000 Received: from modem-20.eglador.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.173.20] helo=g3aqc) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16D9ip-0003fw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:34:47 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c180e8$a1e6a5a0$14ad883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. 73kHz Beacon Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 19:34:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John and Dex, Many thanks for the reports,I think conditions are a bit static at the moment so I won't transmit tonight (could do with the sleep). I will advise when things look better. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12550 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 18:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 18:36:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 19286 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 18:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 18:36:15 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16D8dG-00070b-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:24:58 +0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.129]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16D8dE-00070W-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:24:57 +0000 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.178.132]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20011209182338.LBOA28825.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:23:38 +1300 Message-ID: <001101c180df$211e9800$84b21bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C13B3A7.E306AACC@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: ZL6QH QSY -1 Hz Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:24:35 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, For the next transmission from ZL6QH, on Saturday 15 December, the dual frequency tones will be 137.7890 (hi) and 137.7886 (lo) kHz. These frequencies are 1 Hz lower than those used for the previous test, and give better separation from Loran lines received in Europe. The ZL6QH transmission has the format QQQQ... sent as hi, hi, lo, hi, gap, with 120 second dot length, 0.4 Hz shift. Hours of transmission will be from before ZL sunset (approx 0800 UTC) until after ZL sunrise (approx 1700 UTC). If the LF path is open to VE7, a cross-band LF/HF contact could be attempted with VE7SL, with the likes of 20 second dot length, around 1500 UTC, after which 120 second dot sending would resume. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21439 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 14:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 14:05:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13932 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 14:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 14:05:11 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16D4XE-0006Yl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 14:02:28 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16D4XD-0006Yf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 14:02:27 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 09:01:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3C136EC3.65CA9036@att.net> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 14:01:39 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" Organization: JDM Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re.73kHz Beacon References: <001501c17fef$7bd73fe0$3978883e@g3aqc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie, I watched your frequency for the past two nights. Last night I once again captured activity on your frequency but caught nothing positive. The night before, while W1TAG was receiving good copy, I saw activity on Jim's frequency but not yours. Several other stations were watching last night so you efforts aren't nugatory. Dexter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12732 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 13:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 13:59:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20082 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 13:59:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 13:59:05 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16D4PI-0006W4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 13:54:16 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16D4PF-0006Vy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 13:54:15 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.109.2]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 09:54:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3C13B3A7.E306AACC@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 13:55:36 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Laurie , Received you from 0300 on But could not identify you til 0400. Received something continuously until sigs abruptly disappeared at around 0745. I fear my receiver freq stability is a little below optimum for 120 sec dots. Sending you picture direct 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23977 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 11:22:03 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 11:22:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20846 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 11:21:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 11:21:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16D1v0-0006FU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 11:14:50 +0000 Received: from k2.pncl.co.uk ([212.35.226.183]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16D1uz-0006FP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 11:14:49 +0000 Received: from blanch.pncl.co.uk (161.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk [212.35.234.161]) by k2.pncl.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB9BE6d20714 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:14:06 GMT Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011209111210.009f4d80@mail.pncl.co.uk> X-Sender: blanch@mail.pncl.co.uk (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 11:13:33 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Walter Blanchard" Subject: LF: Hum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thanks everybody. Isolation transformer did the trick beautifully. Now, why didn't I think of that myself? Walter G3JKV. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21291 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 10:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 10:22:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16170 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 10:22:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 10:22:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16D0wT-00067Y-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:12:17 +0000 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.136] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16D0wR-00067T-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:12:16 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p1342.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.170.67]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB9ABKV24105 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:11:20 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112091011.fB9ABKV24105@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:11:30 +0100 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re.73kHz Beacon X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] X-FoxAttach: C:\TEMP\G3aqc.gif, C:\TEMP\G3aqc.jpg MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020709060309060104060306" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020709060309060104060306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 12/8/01 1:51:00 PM, you wrote: I will transmit again tonight,in an attempt to understand the propagation. 73s Laurie. Laurie.. And watched again, -63.3dB signals. 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16D0Xn-00062q-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 09:46:47 +0000 Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de ([195.20.224.149]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16D0Xl-00062l-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 09:46:45 +0000 Received: from [195.20.224.219] (helo=mrvdom03.schlund.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16D0Wq-0004SB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 10:45:48 +0100 Received: from pd9014a35.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.1.74.53] helo=diolog.de) by mrvdom03.schlund.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16D0Wq-0002sW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 10:45:48 +0100 Message-ID: <3C1253CB.68A09856@diolog.de> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:54:19 +0100 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: DF2BC/P References: <002401c18012$0ab3b280$1700a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi LF-Group, I will be portable next weekend (15/16th), too, operating from our clubstation with a T-antenna of at least 100m horizontal wire in ca. 9m height (or even more). Will be QRV on both saturday and sunday from ca. 0800 UTC until late night in normal CW and QRSS, and also listen for crossband QSO's/Reception-Reports on 40m CW (ca. 7.033) or via Packet-Radio (dx-cluster etc.). I am looking forward to work many stations from there, since my possibilities from home (30m-wire ant..) are very limited. vy 73, Fabian dj1yfk PS: nice to hear / see so many stations on 136 today. Wkd PA0BWL (tnx Wil!!), hrd/saw OK1DTN, DK5PT, DL3FDO, Dj2LF ... Dave Pick schrieb: > Dear all. Message from Ali, DF2BC: "next weekend the 14th, 15th, 16th > December i am QRV again at Campen > Lighthouse in CW only. > The equipment will be the same as before: Ropex TX, homemade RX, the > big dustbin loading coil - but the L-Antenna konfiguration will be a > little bit longer - so about 170 meters. > > Hope to see you again on 136,5" Looks like a busy weekend with OM2TW > on again from his DX QTH. 73DaveG3YXM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29467 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 09:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 09:32:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 20487 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 09:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 09:32:46 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16D011-0005zD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 09:12:55 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16D00z-0005z4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 09:12:53 +0000 Received: from host62-7-101-26.btinternet.com ([62.7.101.26] helo=dave) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16D00D-0007FK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 09:12:05 +0000 Message-ID: <002a01c18092$285dc8e0$1a65073e@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: LF: re: Argo - and Opera 6 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 09:02:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From Dave G3YMC re: reported problems with GIF display in Argo with display set to 256 colours. Opera 6 (www.opera.com) has similar problems in displaying JPG images in 256 colours (but OK at the higher colour settings). It was reported as a problem in the Beta version, but is even worse in the full release version! It seems there are problems interfacing displays at 256 colour, and some software writers are stopping to bother. Windows defaults to 256 on installation, although as pointed out with modern display boards there is no resource overhead in setting to high colour modes. Opera 6 as a browser is excellent. Advertised as 'the fastest browser earth', you only realise it is when you go back to IE which is decidely pedestrian!! Well worth having a play with. 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22262 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 02:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 02:02:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29493 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 02:02:29 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 02:02:29 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CtC9-0005Fs-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 01:55:57 +0000 Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.60]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CtC8-0005Fn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 01:55:56 +0000 Received: from 66-44-60-221.s221.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.60.221] helo=nanandsandy) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16CtBP-0001vP-00; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 20:55:11 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 20:55:43 -0500 Message-ID: <01C1802A.B3FF0160.esanders@erols.com> From: "Nan and Sandy Sanders" To: "Lowfer@Qth.Net" , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: ARGO capture question Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 20:53:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I have had a problem like this on a W98se system. Worked ok after I turned the display power saver feature off. Sandy WB5MMB ---------- From: Paul A. Cianciolo[SMTP:paulc@snet.net] Reply To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 9:48 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Lowfer@Qth.Net Subject: LF: ARGO capture question Hello Folks, Was trying to do some ARGO captures last night for the first time. When I checked this morning I found mostly multicolored snow. Not at all what I was seeing on the screen Had it set up for 1800 sec 1/2 hour captures. The captures are all there but they are all corrupted and all look nearly the same. Any suggestions. Earlier in the eve. I did a couple of 1 minute captures and checked, those came out ok. Thank you Paulc W1VLF This Email was brought to you by a completely solar powered home network. Cloudbounce Webpage http://www.qsl.net/w1vlf/ GE Electrak E20 and E15 electric tractors Air Rifle Target Shooting Enthusiast From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19443 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 00:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 00:07:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11493 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 00:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 00:07:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CrRA-00054s-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 00:03:20 +0000 Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.101]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CrR8-00054n-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 00:03:19 +0000 Received: from northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (northrelay01.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.21]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA254710 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:59:15 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss1.pok.socks.ibm.com [9.14.3.53] (may be forged)) by northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fB901vq16984 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 19:01:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3C12A9B6.6E7E7B1F@usa.net> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 01:00:55 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: ARGO capture question References: <185.626a54.2943c9e4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: MarkusVester@aol.com wrote: > Hi Paulc, Alberto and group, > > > Was trying to do some ARGO captures last night for the first time. > > When I checked this morning I found mostly multicolored snow. > > Apparently this happens whenever Windows is in 256 colour mode, which I > sometimes choose to speed up Spectrogram. To solve the problem, you can > either switch your display to True Color (desktop right mouse on > ..properties..), or tell Argo to capture .bmp rather than .jpg files. > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM Haaaaaa ! Thanks Markus for this info ! Tomorrow morning I will perform some tests based on this information. I use exclusively the 16-million color mode, as with today's graphics cards it seems that there is no performance gain going lower in color resolution. And both Spectran and Argo have been designed with this in mind. As a matter of fact, I was forced to add some bandaids here and there to support, somehow, the 256-color mode, as some users are fond of this mode.... it seems that one of those bandaids isn't strong enough... TNX es 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28457 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 20:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 20:35:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 20817 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 20:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 20:35:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Co57-0004e8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 20:28:21 +0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.129]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Co55-0004de-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 20:28:19 +0000 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.181.150]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20011208202659.ZSGD28825.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 09:26:59 +1300 Message-ID: <007401c18027$30ba9a60$96b51bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200112081848.fB8ImJV13723@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Subject: Re: Re: LF: Mains hum Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 09:29:55 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, In the discussions there has been mention of mains hum on interconnections, and mains hum on VLF/LF radio reception. Both are fair game. Mains hum on cables --------------------- The main method of control is to use suitable audio isolating transformers. These can be salvaged from surplus modem cards. Some of these have quite good frequency response (telephone audio bandwidth) but others could be lacking in low end response and attenuate 50 Hz signal that is actually present in a signal. For the likes of Argo viewing, it is the CW sidetone frequency that is of most interest, and this is usually an easy frequency for an audio transformer to handle (even if it is designed for 600 ohm applications, sound cards outputs are lo Z but inputs are hi Z (47 k ohms?)). The little transformers can have some leakage flux, so do not place them near mains transformers as otherwise there will be unwanted flux linkages to the "isolating" transformer. I have also had situations where an RF choke used to control RF feedback in a microphone pre-amplifier was the reason for more 50 Hz signal appearing in the microphone output (due to the sum of flux linkages inthe many turns of the RFC). There are several magazine articles for interfacing radios with PCs, for the likes of HF RTTY or PSK-31 operation. As well as audio isolation being recommended for Tx audio and Rx audio, the PTT isolation can be done with an opto-isolator. VLF & LF mains noise ----------------------- Probably comes from switchmode power supplies and lamp dimmer type of domestic apparatus, and is received as a radio signal (can be verified by unplugging the antenna feed). Looks like 50 or 100 Hz "tramlines" on an Argo display. Even if the switching frequency of a switchmode power supply is unstable, the spacing between the lines tracks at 50 or 100 Hz spacing, giving "curved tramlines". As the switchmode supplies have frequencies in the VLF and LF range, that is where most spurious emissions occur, and reduce in density at higher frequencies. Having an antenna separated from mains wiring is the most effective way to reduce pickup of "mains junk" relative to desired radio signals. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26047 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 19:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 19:59:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25051 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 19:58:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 19:58:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CnZO-0004YW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 19:55:34 +0000 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CnZN-0004YR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 19:55:33 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.185.626a54 (4446) for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:54:12 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <185.626a54.2943c9e4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:54:12 EST Subject: Re: LF: ARGO capture question To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Paulc, Alberto and group, > Was trying to do some ARGO captures last night for the first time. > When I checked this morning I found mostly multicolored snow. Apparently this happens whenever Windows is in 256 colour mode, which I sometimes choose to speed up Spectrogram. To solve the problem, you can either switch your display to True Color (desktop right mouse on ..properties..), or tell Argo to capture .bmp rather than .jpg files. 73 de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21005 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 19:22:44 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 19:22:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29001 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 19:22:33 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 19:22:33 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Cn0R-0004UN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 19:19:27 +0000 Received: from k2.pncl.co.uk ([212.35.226.183]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Cn0P-0004UI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 19:19:26 +0000 Received: from blanch.pncl.co.uk (164.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk [212.35.234.164]) by k2.pncl.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB8JIgq10504 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 19:18:42 GMT Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011208191344.00a115a0@mail.pncl.co.uk> X-Sender: blanch@mail.pncl.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 19:18:31 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Walter Blanchard" Subject: Re: LF: Acty In-reply-to: <3C125DB7.5ED2BFC3@netscapeonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 18:36 08/12/01 Saturday +0000, Mal wrote: >................ G3JKV was very strong below 136 testing on beacon at 589 >possibly QRO, he was stronger than another G stn from somewhere in the >South West that was calling CQ with a chirp at 437 Tks Mal. Yes, real QRO here now, I've managed to double my power to 2 watts! Probably about 2 mW radiated. Walter G3JKV. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15237 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 18:51:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 18:51:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6507 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 18:51:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 18:51:45 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CmX5-0004PZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:49:07 +0000 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.136] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CmX4-0004PU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:49:06 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p655.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.201.183]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB8ImJV13723 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 19:48:19 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112081848.fB8ImJV13723@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 19:48:27 +0100 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: Re: LF: Mains hum X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 12/8/01 10:07:00 AM, you wrote: >Hi Walter, >I think the problem is with the computer. >Here I use little audio transformers (I have several made up in boxes) to isolate the rx from the computer. It does make a big difference, but I still see 50 or 100 Hz lines especially at VLF, practically not at all on LF. >Hoping that someone comes up with the definitive solution. >73 John, G4CNN John, Walter.. Look for / Import the AWE64Value or AWE64Gold One other thing you can try is turn off the software AGC and use Low or high [Visual Gain] here it helps and whatever you want to see stay's on, it took me a while but allmost got it right:-) 73 de Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27893 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 18:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 18:42:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28675 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 18:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 18:42:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CmNX-0004NR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:39:15 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CmNW-0004NL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:39:15 +0000 Received: from ldsas11-75-126-220.cw-visp.com ([212.137.126.220] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16CmCa-00019i-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:28:10 +0000 Message-ID: <3C125DB7.5ED2BFC3@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:36:39 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: Acty Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: The band was full of EU acty today although I was otherwise engaged with some new sophisticated s/ware experiments, heard a YO3 but did not have time to listen for the full call, a couple of G stns but these are getting scarce. G3JKV was very strong below 136 testing on beacon at 589 possibly QRO, he was stronger than another G stn from somewhere in the South West that was calling CQ with a chirp at 437 Sorry I did not have time to respond to OK1DTN 569 and OM2TW 559 calling CQ for ages. de G3KEV/IO94SH From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14091 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 18:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 18:27:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17649 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 18:27:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 18:27:28 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Cm8e-0004L5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:23:52 +0000 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Cm8b-0004Kx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:23:49 +0000 Received: from Carmelink@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id y.3f.30d679d (15891); Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID86-1208132256; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 13:22:56 -0500 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 13:22:55 EST From: Carmelink@aol.com Subject: LF: Re: 600m experiment in US To: lowfer@qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <3f.30d679d.2943b480@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Responding to N4GL - Hi Walt, Here are the locations for the WC2XSR participants, per the FCC paperwork. I'm not in that group; I've been watching their licensing process while I await my own permit (WC2XTC) for LF. W7EKB would be their contact. Belford, NJ N2CDD 40-24N/74-05W Foxboro, MA AA1P 42-03N/71-11W Tarentum, PA KE3AL 40-36N/79-45W Derwood, MD K1LKY 39-07N/77-08W Herndon, VA KC4TOS 38-59N/77-22W Massillon, OH W8AU 40-46N/81-34W Raleigh, NC NA4G 35-52N/78-39W Raleigh, NC W4TIM 35-51N/78-38W Raleigh, NC N4HAF 35-53N/78-39W Raleigh, NC W4AUV 35-51N/78-38W Rougemont, NC KQ2P 36-11N/78-50W Batavia, IL K9EUI 41-50N/88-19W Cookeville, TN WS4S 36-13N/85-32W Pumpkin Center, LA W5TVW 30-26N/90-31W Jefferson, LA W5JGV 29-57N/90-10W Lincoln, NE KŘNG 40-47N/96-39W Colorado Springs, CO WŘRW 38-52N/104-52W Moscow, ID W7EKB 46-44N/116-59W Helena, MT KJ4TG 46-36N/112-02W Sachse, TX W5USM 32-58N/96-35W Irving, TX W5FRS 32-49N/96-59W Lewisville, TX AB5S 33-03N/97-01W Gilbert, AZ WŘOGH 33-20N/111-47W Reno, NV WA7DIA 39-31N/119-51W Lancaster, CA W6DJX 34-40N/118-14W Alturas, CA at K6QQ 41-24N/120-40W Livermore, CA WB6BYH 37-29N/121-31W Littlerock, CA WA6QPL 34-27N/117-57W Fresno, CA K2VCO 36-46N/119.48W Glendale, CA W7QHO 34-10N/118-14W Redmond, OR KD6B 44-19N/121-14W Grants Pass, OR KF6AR 42-30N/123-19W Grants Pass, OR WA6RBQ 42-24N/123-17W Silverton, OR W7JWA 44-58N/122-41W Palouse, WA KG7YK 46-54N/117-05W Honolulu, HI KH6O 21-16N/157-49W While on the subject of 600m, do you know where I could find a manual/schematic for a Swedish marine rig? I have a Standard Radio & Telefon L122 solid-state transmitter with variometer; looks like four SP7349(?) in the final. Mike W2AG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22885 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 18:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 18:15:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8095 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 18:15:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 18:15:20 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Cly9-0004I8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:13:01 +0000 Received: from [204.202.140.199] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Cly8-0004Hc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:13:00 +0000 Received: from gomailjtp05 ([10.212.0.165]) by mta07.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0GO100A7NEJBSB@mta07.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:11:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 10:11:36 -0800 (PST) From: "John Sexton" Subject: Re: LF: Re: [Lowfer] ARGO capture question To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <6916703.1007835096969.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Alberto, With both Spectran and Argo capture works fine with Win95 here. I turn off the screen saver, centre the pic, move the cursor outside the window and then power off the screen and leave the pc running over night. John, G4CNN -----Original Message----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "Lowfer@Qth.Net" Date: Sat Dec 08 07:19:30 PST 2001 Subject: LF: Re: [Lowfer] ARGO capture question >"Paul A. Cianciolo" wrote:> >> Hello Folks, >> >> Was trying to do some ARGO captures last night for the first time. >> When I checked this morning I found mostly multicolored snow. >> [...] > >Paul, > this is the second report of such a behavior. It seems to happen >in rare circumstances, very seldom. I haven't been so far able to >reproduce it. I tried to push the Argo window out of the screen, >but then what happens is that only the visible part is captured. >I must say however that I am using Windows 2000. It is quite >possible that there is a different behavior with a different Windows >version. If, through trial and testing, you or any other will be >able to nail down the exact procedure to make it happen , then >I will most probably be able to fix it. Thanks. > >73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17749 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 18:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 18:12:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27349 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 18:12:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 18:12:20 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CluU-0004Gk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:09:14 +0000 Received: from [204.202.140.198] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CluT-0004Gd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:09:13 +0000 Received: from gomailjtp05 ([10.212.0.165]) by mta06.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0GO1005JLECL1V@mta06.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:07:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 10:07:35 -0800 (PST) From: "John Sexton" Subject: Re: LF: Mains hum To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <3756703.1007834855047.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Walter, I think the problem is with the computer. Here I use little audio transformers (I have several made up in boxes) to isolate the rx from the computer. It does make a big difference, but I still see 50 or 100 Hz lines especially at VLF, practically not at all on LF. Hoping that someone comes up with the definitive solution. 73 John, G4CNN -----Original Message----- From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat Dec 08 07:05:42 PST 2001 Subject: LF: Mains hum >Apologise for this not being on the main thread, but:>Can anyone tell me how to get rid of mains hum on soundcards? > >I have basically similar SB16 cards in three computers and have the same >problem on all - >Unconnected there is no hum, but when I connect the soundcard "Line IN" to >the rx "audio out", with audio gain set to zero, on any of my rxs, mains >frequency lines appear on Spectran/Argo or whatever like this : >50 Hz = -70 dB >150 Hz = -67 dB >250 Hz = -80 dB >350 Hz = -95 >450 Hz = just above noise at -110 dB. >Figures relative. There is no trace at all of any even harmonics. > >Of course I use shielded cable, and have tried connecting shield to earth >only at one end - no change. >I've tried all combinations of grounding - separate ground direct cptr to >rx, separately to ground, >and so on. No change. >I get a slight (3-6 dB) reduction by running a half-inch copper strap from >the metal shell carrying the soundcard sockets direct to a proper ground >(NOT mains ground) but that's all. >There is no trace of any hum on the direct audio output so I can >"eliminate" these harmonics by turning up the rx audio gain high enogh to >swamp them (they don't come up as gain is increased) but I don't think they >ought to be there at all. >All my rxs/txs are powered from a single 12v 60 amp stabilised PU using a >bridge rectifier supplied by a transformer. It is well grounded through a >half-inch strap and there is no ripple on it even at 50A. Cptrs have the >usual switch-mode supplies. > >Any ideas apart from running the lot off car batteries? > >Walter G3JKV. > > ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20446 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 18:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 18:04:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 248 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 18:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 18:04:06 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CllZ-0004EX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:00:01 +0000 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93] helo=rhenium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CllX-0004EE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:00:00 +0000 Received: from host217-35-44-187.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.44.187] helo=dellboy) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16Clko-0007Hm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 17:59:14 +0000 Message-ID: <002401c18012$0ab3b280$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Subject: LF: DF2BC/P Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 17:59:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear all.
 
Message from Ali, DF2BC:
 
"next weekend the 14th, 15th, 16th December i am QRV again at Campen
Lighthouse in CW only.
The equipment will be the same as before: Ropex TX, homemade RX, the
big dustbin loading coil - but the L-Antenna konfiguration will be a
little bit longer - so about 170 meters.

Hope to see you again on 136,5"
 
Looks like a busy weekend with OM2TW on again from his DX QTH.
 
73
Dave
G3YXM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3935 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 16:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 16:23:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5654 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 16:23:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 16:23:32 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CkD7-00045k-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:20:21 +0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CkD5-00045f-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:20:20 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.ea.1f22c444 (3934) for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:19:25 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:19:25 EST Subject: Re: LF: Mains hum To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10504 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Walter,
did you try using AF transformers to remove ground loops ? There are suited audio frequency transformers in most junk-boxes, even when the ratio between primary and secondary coils is not 1:1 they are good.
A (galvanic) decoupling between the computer and the radio may possibly help - at least it did in my case.

73 Wolf DL4YHF.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25909 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 15:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 15:42:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27381 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 15:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 15:42:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CjZ8-0003zn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:39:02 +0000 Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com ([32.97.136.227]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CjZ3-0003zi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:39:01 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24886 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:34:51 -0600 Received: from usa.net (ss5.pok.socks.ibm.com [9.14.3.70]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fB8Fc7T206588 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:38:07 -0500 Message-ID: <3C12339E.5D4D6578@usa.net> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:37:02 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Mains hum References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011208143147.009fc590@mail.pncl.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Walter Blanchard wrote: > Apologise for this not being on the main thread, but: > Can anyone tell me how to get rid of mains hum on soundcards? > [...] Walter, do those lines disappear if you switch off the RX ? Even if they are not affected by the radio volume setting, they could indicate some residual AC on the DC power that supplies the final audio amplifier of the RX. If they persist even with the radio power off, then the hum is picked up somehow by the cable, otherwise the radio is the cuplrit. 73 Alberto I2PHD . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4526 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 15:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 15:25:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15418 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 15:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 15:25:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CjIh-0003v8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:22:03 +0000 Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com ([32.97.136.227]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CjIf-0003v0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:22:02 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAB52878; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:17:43 -0600 Received: from usa.net (ss5.pok.socks.ibm.com [9.14.3.70]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fB8FKjT86470; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:21:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3C122F82.6B1D3EF7@usa.net> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:19:30 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "Lowfer@Qth.Net" Subject: LF: Re: [Lowfer] ARGO capture question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: "Paul A. Cianciolo" wrote: > Hello Folks, > > Was trying to do some ARGO captures last night for the first time. > When I checked this morning I found mostly multicolored snow. > [...] Paul, this is the second report of such a behavior. It seems to happen in rare circumstances, very seldom. I haven't been so far able to reproduce it. I tried to push the Argo window out of the screen, but then what happens is that only the visible part is captured. I must say however that I am using Windows 2000. It is quite possible that there is a different behavior with a different Windows version. If, through trial and testing, you or any other will be able to nail down the exact procedure to make it happen , then I will most probably be able to fix it. Thanks. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19977 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 15:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 15:21:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4853 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 15:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 15:21:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CjEt-0003ti-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:18:07 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CjEn-0003tc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:18:06 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.77.39]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:17:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3C1275C9.17D6CC2D@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:19:21 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re.73kHz Beacon References: <001501c17fef$7bd73fe0$3978883e@g3aqc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Laurie, I saw bits es pieces last night. I just downloaded Argo 128 and checked it out . Will look for u tonight with 120 sec dots 73 de John VE1ZJ Laurie Mayhead wrote: > Many thanks for the reports on my 73kHz beacon ,at least I have confirmed my > frequency,and the pics from Ko make the DFCW look very good. I will transmit > again tonight,in an attempt to understand the propagation. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20897 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 15:13:36 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 15:13:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7619 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 15:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 15:13:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Cj7B-0003rE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:10:09 +0000 Received: from f173.law9.hotmail.com ([64.4.9.173] helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Cj79-0003r7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:10:08 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 07:09:17 -0800 Received: from 209.208.31.76 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:09:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.208.31.76] From: "Kristjan Ragnarson" To: Carmelink@aol.com, lowfer@qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: [Lowfer] 600m experiment in US Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:09:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2001 15:09:17.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E0FBB90:01C17FFA] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Will the skeds (freq's, times, QTH's, etc) be published? Given enough info I'll bend an ear to their freq if within reasonable dist of Florida. Maybe I should start carrying home the 400-500 kc rig from my ship a piece at a time (leaving the front panel in place to fool the company). 73 Walt (N4GL) >From: Carmelink@aol.com >Reply-To: Carmelink@aol.com >To: , >Subject: [Lowfer] 600m experiment in US >Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 19:43:53 EST > >FCC's Office of Science & Technology has approved a request for an >Experimental license on 166.5, 440, 470, 480 and 495 khz, with 200 watts >ERP (!). Station WC2XSR is authorized at 36 locations across the US, as >requested by the hams of The 600 Meter Research Group. > >https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/index_els.html > >Mike W2AG > >To unsubscribe, send to MAJORDOMO@qth.net "unsubscribe lowfer" (Do not >send to list!!) Send on list submissions to lowfer@qth.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 702 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 15:10:48 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 15:10:48 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5575 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 15:10:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 15:10:42 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Cj44-0003qF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:06:56 +0000 Received: from k2.pncl.co.uk ([212.35.226.183]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Cj43-0003qA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:06:55 +0000 Received: from blanch.pncl.co.uk (102.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk [212.35.234.102]) by k2.pncl.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB8F6CH09182 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:06:12 GMT Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011208143147.009fc590@mail.pncl.co.uk> X-Sender: blanch@mail.pncl.co.uk (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:05:42 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Walter Blanchard" Subject: LF: Mains hum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Apologise for this not being on the main thread, but: Can anyone tell me how to get rid of mains hum on soundcards? I have basically similar SB16 cards in three computers and have the same problem on all - Unconnected there is no hum, but when I connect the soundcard "Line IN" to the rx "audio out", with audio gain set to zero, on any of my rxs, mains frequency lines appear on Spectran/Argo or whatever like this : 50 Hz = -70 dB 150 Hz = -67 dB 250 Hz = -80 dB 350 Hz = -95 450 Hz = just above noise at -110 dB. Figures relative. There is no trace at all of any even harmonics. Of course I use shielded cable, and have tried connecting shield to earth only at one end - no change. I've tried all combinations of grounding - separate ground direct cptr to rx, separately to ground, and so on. No change. I get a slight (3-6 dB) reduction by running a half-inch copper strap from the metal shell carrying the soundcard sockets direct to a proper ground (NOT mains ground) but that's all. There is no trace of any hum on the direct audio output so I can "eliminate" these harmonics by turning up the rx audio gain high enogh to swamp them (they don't come up as gain is increased) but I don't think they ought to be there at all. All my rxs/txs are powered from a single 12v 60 amp stabilised PU using a bridge rectifier supplied by a transformer. It is well grounded through a half-inch strap and there is no ripple on it even at 50A. Cptrs have the usual switch-mode supplies. Any ideas apart from running the lot off car batteries? Walter G3JKV. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27140 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 14:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 14:48:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 21305 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 14:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 14:48:41 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Cihe-0003lg-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 14:43:46 +0000 Received: from mta2.snet.net ([204.60.203.71]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Cihc-0003lb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 14:43:44 +0000 Received: from rescueelect ([64.252.130.223]) by mta2.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with SMTP id fB8EgsRY006968; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:42:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Paul A. Cianciolo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "Lowfer@Qth.Net" Subject: LF: ARGO capture question Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:48:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Folks, Was trying to do some ARGO captures last night for the first time. When I checked this morning I found mostly multicolored snow. Not at all what I was seeing on the screen Had it set up for 1800 sec 1/2 hour captures. The captures are all there but they are all corrupted and all look nearly the same. Any suggestions. Earlier in the eve. I did a couple of 1 minute captures and checked, those came out ok. Thank you Paulc W1VLF This Email was brought to you by a completely solar powered home network. Cloudbounce Webpage http://www.qsl.net/w1vlf/ GE Electrak E20 and E15 electric tractors Air Rifle Target Shooting Enthusiast From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19791 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 13:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 13:55:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 12362 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 13:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 13:55:07 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Chte-0003eS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 13:52:06 +0000 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.215]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Chtd-0003eN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 13:52:05 +0000 Received: from modem-29.angrod.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.114.29] helo=g3aqc) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Chsu-00003p-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 13:51:20 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c17fef$7bd73fe0$3978883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re.73kHz Beacon Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:51:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Many thanks for the reports on my 73kHz beacon ,at least I have confirmed my frequency,and the pics from Ko make the DFCW look very good. I will transmit again tonight,in an attempt to understand the propagation. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5586 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 13:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 13:28:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 9721 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 13:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 13:28:36 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ChU4-0003bC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 13:25:40 +0000 Received: from dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.14] helo=dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ChU3-0003b7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 13:25:39 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 4509910 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 08:31:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c17feb$b4180640$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200112081114.fB8BEb813601@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Subject: LF: Re: 73 kHz 7/8 December Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 08:24:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Last night's 73 kHz results were the best in two weeks. G3AQC was visible starting at 2300, and while there was a lot of fading, Laurie's signal was present most of the time until my computer crashed around 0500. Don't know what happened after that, since I was as dead to the world as the computer! A couple of Laurie's IDs were complete. Most of the rest of the reception was a few letters at a time. M0BMU's signal was also present most of the evening, but definitely weaker than Laurie's. I got a few characters from Jim, but not much else that was readable. I switched from the 90 sec to 120 sec Argo screen around 0130, but the fading prevented any long-term copy. For these conditions, Laurie's DFCW does have an edge with its shorter ID time. I'm unavailable tonight, but perhaps W4DEX or some of the others may be able to listen. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 397 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 11:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 11:30:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11710 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 11:29:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 11:29:43 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CfSI-0003Od-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:15:42 +0000 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.138] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CfSF-0003OY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:15:39 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p223.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.200.151]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB8BEb813601 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:14:38 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112081114.fB8BEb813601@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:14:46 +0100 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re. 73kHz last night X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] X-FoxAttach: C:\My Documents\73khz.jpg, C:\My Documents\lastnite.gif MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030607060904090401030008" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030607060904090401030008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Will transmit again tonight from about 22:30 utc. 73s Laurie Laurie , Jim , Peter..... and group. Last night signals: 08-12. M0BMU -52.6 08-12. G3AQC -44.3 Haven't seen anything in Month 1 through 5 but will they be better, must be the leaves that are gone now :-) Images attached are from Spectran 1 and EvmDop. Previous signals: 15-06. M0BMU -45.2 30-06. G3AQC -47.8 30-07. G3AQC -39.9 29-09. G3AQC -57.0 27-10. G3AQC -69.0 24-11. G3LDO -68.2 24-11. G3AQC -66.6 24-11. 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murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 01:44:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 8448 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 01:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 01:44:37 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CWT9-0002cV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 01:39:59 +0000 Received: from dc-mx03.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.13] helo=dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CWT8-0002cQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 01:39:58 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 25854440; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 20:46:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c17f89$1ed04fa0$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@qth.net References: <000b01c17d71$5ce0d720$7273883e@g3aqc> <3.0.1.16.20011206103713.2c778a9e@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <000901c17f72$311f03c0$0300a8c0@charter.net> Subject: LF: Re: 73 kHz 7/8 December Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:39:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: As of 0130, I have switched to the 120 sec/dot screen to try getting M0BMU's ID clearly. Jim has been there all night, but I haven't been able to read the call sign. No indication of a signal from G3LDO thus far. Have a couple of complete G3AQC ID's. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 267 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 00:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 00:47:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25135 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 00:46:58 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 00:46:58 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CVbi-0002WN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:44:46 +0000 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.161]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CVbg-0002WG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:44:45 +0000 Received: from Carmelink@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id y.154.55f95d6 (15865); Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from web36.aolmail.aol.com (web36.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.12]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-1207194354; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 19:43:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 19:43:53 EST From: Carmelink@aol.com Subject: LF: 600m experiment in US To: lowfer@qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <154.55f95d6.2942bc4a@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: FCC's Office of Science & Technology has approved a request for an Experimental license on 166.5, 440, 470, 480 and 495 khz, with 200 watts ERP (!). Station WC2XSR is authorized at 36 locations across the US, as requested by the hams of The 600 Meter Research Group. https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/index_els.html Mike W2AG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14536 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 00:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 00:41:23 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21132 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 00:41:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 00:41:25 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CVVc-0002Uo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:38:28 +0000 Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.5]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CVVa-0002Uj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:38:27 +0000 Received: from Carmelink@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id y.90.1e365c3f (5711); Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from web32.aolmail.aol.com (web32.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.8]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID44-1207193736; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 19:37:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 19:37:35 EST From: Carmelink@aol.com Subject: LF: 600m experiment in US To: lowfer@qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <90.1e365c3f.2942bad0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11160 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 23:11:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 23:11:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 7487 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 23:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 23:11:45 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CU3b-0002Gd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 23:05:27 +0000 Received: from dc-mx03.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.13] helo=dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CU3a-0002GY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 23:05:26 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 25831667; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 18:11:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c17f73$888b9460$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@qth.net Subject: LF: Re: 73 kHz 7/8 December Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:04:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: To add to my previous message: 800 Hz on the screen represents 72.401 kHz. "Up is up," so 801 Hz represents 72.402. As of 2300, you should be able to see part of G3AQC's DFCW with dots at 800.3 and dashes at 800.4 Enjoy! John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9384 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 23:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 23:03:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 1096 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 23:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 23:03:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CTuO-0002E9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 22:55:56 +0000 Received: from dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.14] helo=dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CTuM-0002E3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 22:55:54 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 4265612; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 18:01:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c17f72$311f03c0$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@qth.net References: <000b01c17d71$5ce0d720$7273883e@g3aqc> <3.0.1.16.20011206103713.2c778a9e@pb623250.kuleuven.be> Subject: LF: 73 kHz 7/8 December Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:54:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: The following have indicated that they will be transmitting this evening (7 Dec - 8 Dec), starting by 2300 UTC: G3LDO, 72.4005 kHz, QRSS90 G3AQC, 72.4013 kHz, DFCW, 120 sec elements, 0.1 Hz shift M0BMU, 72.4018 kHz, QRSS120 Experience suggests the Argo 90 sec/dot screen. If you center the screen on 72.401 kHz, you could theoretically view all three signals. I will be running automatic screen captures posted to the web every 30 minutes, if you want to compare your results. The URL is: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/cap-1.jpg John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6404 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 20:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 20:30:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 15956 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 20:30:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 20:30:49 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CRZd-0001xX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 20:26:21 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CRZZ-0001xR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 20:26:18 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp216.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.216]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA29031 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 07:25:25 +1100 Message-ID: <002e01c17f5d$f490c920$d89a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003601c17c07$4c58fc40$587e883e@g3aqc> <3.0.1.16.20011204101542.2bff5384@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <002f01c17db2$4c388df0$0400000a@parissn2> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Improving extreme weak signals Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 07:29:59 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day Stewart, > > display. If the Tx were capable of transmitting three frequencies, > and the third assigned to the space function, one could compare the > energies in each of the three bands, and choose the strongest as the > most likely sent. That would give most of your 3 dB advantage, and > yet be compatible with current practice. > This function was available in the earliest versions of VFSKCW (more than a year ago now) and is called the "toned space" option selectable from a menu. The option of inserting toned spaces between characters or between words, or both, was provided. The only feedback I got on the usefulness of this was from a small group using VFSKCW when "aircraft bouncing" on 2m. They found it confusing, but I suspect that that had a lot to do with trying to cope with the large amounts of doppler shift on those signals. Also, using one of your earlier arguments against FDK/Wanjina, if the transmitter is dissipation limited then it doesn't get a breather between characters and/or words and so the power level would have to be lowered. This would most likely negate any visual decoding gain. BTW, one of the intriguing things I find about trying to read things off the screen is that the analysis can't end with theoretical calculations. The theory gets you the electronic S/N behaviour to the screen, but the final word is determined by our powerful visual processor - the brain. The behaviour of that visual processor is probably more defined by fuzzy logic and decisions made by the weighting of many clues and factors (including what we want to see:-). An amusing hearing effect happened to me when I was involved in trying to pick out slow morse signals in noise over a weekend. On the Monday I put on my headphones at work to which I feed some white-ish noise from a CD recording I had made to block out some of the loud talkers over the partitions. I had to forgo this masking technique for that day as I swear I could hear morse code signals in the noise (although I could never quite decode them). This was more distracting than the chatter. The next day the effect had disappeared. I realised that some of the signals I thought were there but just couldn't quite decode during my listening weekend were most likely these "phantoms". I wonder how much "visual processing gain" the brain provides and could it be trained (like experienced morse code users). I note that Bill Ashlock uses a sawtooth wave for some of his tests. Theory says that you would be giving away S/N by moving across an FFT bin during the period of the FFT record, but how much does the visual processing of the brain on a distinctive signal like that gain ? BTW, I suggested to Bill that he might like to try to have equal durations for dots and dashes, but slope one way for the dots and the other way for the dashes. He said he would try it. 73s Steve Olney (VK2ZTO/AXSO - QF56IK : Lat -33 34 07, Long +150 44 40) ============================================= HomePage URL: http://www.qsl.net/vk2zto Containing:- ULF, ELF, VLF & LF Experimentation MF 22m Experimentation InfraSonic Experimentation Laser Comms DX Amateur Radio Astronomy ============================================= > However, if you have the ability to send multiple frequencies, a much > larger gain is obtained by using a different frequency for each letter > or digit. This gains at least 6 dB over the system above. If the tones > were spaced 0.1 Hz apart, then your existing 4 Hz screen could show an > alphabet of up to 40 symbols. The software could display corresponding > letters and digits on a scale, but the operator would still be deciding > which characters were sent. It would also work with existing software, > by looking up the received frequency in a character table. This scheme > has been described and tested by many hams, under names such as PUA43, > Piccolo, AFK, and PGP-1. > > If the message length and start time are agreed upon in advance, then > systems like PUA43 offer a huge advantage, because you know what part > of the message is being sent at any time. If you get partial copy, > you know which character(s) were received, and you fill in a piece of > the puzzle. After several repeats, if all characters were received > at least once, the puzzle is solved. Such a system would also permit > advanced software to combine the received energy from multiple message > repeats, forming a composite with better S/N. > > The variable length nature of Morse thwarts the above idea, but perhaps > a similar code using say, four elements per character could be used. > This code would always start with a "." or "-", but could have a space > as the second, third or fourth element. Letters with 4 dots and/or > dashes would be sent without any following space. Letters with 3, would > have a space at the end. One or two dots would pad out shorter letters. > There are 14 valid (per above rules) codes left over; these would be > assigned to word space, digits, and 3 punctuation. For example if > "- .-" were assigned to "7", then your call would be sent as > "--- -. .- .--.---.. " which is two elements shorter than standard Morse, > but the main idea here is not to be faster. It is that all characters > take exactly 8 minutes to send; if you receive "-.--" 24 minutes after > the start, you know that "Y" is the fourth character. > > One could also develop a code which is a compromise between Morse and > PUA43. For example, if seven frequencies were used, one could use two > tones, sent sequentially, to represent one character. That would be > twice a fast as the above, more robust (no space), would fit in a 1 Hz > bandwidth, and could easily be decoded by eye. > > Let me know if you think that any of these are promising. > > 73, > > Stewart KK7KA > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8450 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 18:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 18:09:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 13108 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 18:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 18:09:43 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CPJa-0001hN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 18:01:38 +0000 Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.176]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CPJZ-0001hG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 18:01:38 +0000 Received: from modem-248.eglantine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.174.248] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16CPIn-0003xs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 18:00:49 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c17f49$2b74ce60$f8ae883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. 73kHz last night Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:40:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John and Dex, Many thanks for the pics. John I am pretty convinced about the A, both in terms of the element length and the freq shift, the Q is more difficult however, there is a bit of the following C in the right place,so I guess the signal is there . What a shame you don't have a later version of Argo with 90 or 120 sec dots. Dex ,there is certainly something going on at 401.2/3 but not enough to recognise. I didn't time the start of my tramission so can' t help there. I will make a note tonight. For information my dot (element) length is 120 secs the inter-element gap 50 secs, no gap between dots/dashes of course. Will transmit again tonight from about 22:30 utc. 73s Laurie From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26433 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 17:30:30 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 17:30:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19203 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 17:30:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 17:30:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16COf2-0001aa-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 17:19:44 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16COf1-0001aV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 17:19:43 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16COeG-0007Ar-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 17:18:56 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16COeG-0001xs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 17:18:56 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011207170020.00a6b640@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 17:10:39 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: 73k tonight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Have fixed my antenna for the time being, so will run the beacon again on 72.4018kHz, 120s dots, hopefully from about 2230 onwards. I will be away for the rest of the weekend, so will not be running the beacon on Saturday or Sunday night. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5373 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 14:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 14:49:37 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7720 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 14:49:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 14:49:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CMCb-0001GJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 14:42:13 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CMCa-0001GD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 14:42:12 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.91.68]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:42:21 -0400 Message-ID: <3C111BF7.38BD6F64@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 14:43:51 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73 last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I believe I saw "AQ" from Laurie last night. Picture sent to Laurie. Time around 0430 Z73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15550 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 14:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 14:48:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 5957 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 14:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 14:47:51 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CM4U-0001FF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 14:33:50 +0000 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.18]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CM4S-0001FA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 14:33:49 +0000 Received: from modem-106.arossiach.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.126.234] helo=g3aqc) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16CM3g-0004Yi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 14:33:00 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c17f2c$22eb0240$ea7e883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73kHz Beacon Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:32:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, I ran the beacon last night from 2300 till about 0700, there was an early report from John so at least there was some propagation. And importantly John confirmed my frequency as 72.401.3 which is great since without ARGO I am unable to do an accurate check I don't know wether conditions are getting better or worse,but there is only one way to find out so will run again tonight. The Decca is really cool so no problem. I am using Riks QRS 310 on DFCW with the "gap" removed when there is a freq. shift, looks very good here. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8395 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 13:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 13:55:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 18059 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 13:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 13:55:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CLPO-00018G-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:51:22 +0000 Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.188]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CLPJ-00018B-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:51:18 +0000 Received: from comrex (207-172-255-230.s1246.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.255.230]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n20340/mtc.v2) with SMTP id IAA24726 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:50:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001801c17f26$24ed49a0$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003601c17c07$4c58fc40$587e883e@g3aqc><3.0.1.16.20011204101542.2bff5384@pb623250.kuleuven.be><002f01c17db2$4c388df0$0400000a@parissn2><000d01c17e62$97088fa0$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> <3.0.3.32.20011206172509.00e9de48@pop.netzero.net> <001601c17ec9$1b2c5120$0300a8c0@charter.net> Subject: LF: Re: 7 Dec early report Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:50:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie, Peter, et al: As earlier reported, I had some partial copy on Laurie between 0130 and 0230 -- the G and the C were pretty well obliterated, but the rest of the call was there. The signal then faded, with some pieces resurfacing around 0600. I cannot confirm having seen Peter -- I got faked out by a Loran line that is just below his frequency. It tends to be choppy in my evening hours. I have left the equipment running today, so if anyone wants to try it tonight, you can start as early as you wish. The Grand Architect of the Universe is letting me stay home tonight, for a change. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18538 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 13:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 13:51:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20990 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 13:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 13:51:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CLFw-00017H-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:41:36 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CLFu-00017C-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:41:34 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 08:40:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3C10C6D7.9ED7CD42@att.net> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 08:40:39 -0500 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" Organization: JDM Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: 72.4 KHz nibbles on 07 DEC 01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Noise in North Carolina was slightly higher than the night before. The 73.6 RTTY pounded away all night. I don't know if this very strong signal so close to 72.4 khz is hurting my reception or not. Looks like a nibble from AQC just after Ř5ŘŘ UTC. I probably should have had the contrast a little higher. See the results here: http://www.qsl.net/w4dex/72.4khz07dec01.jpg Frequency scale on right is calibrated to represent 72.nnn kHz. Dexter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26118 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 13:03:08 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 13:03:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13376 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 13:03:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 13:03:00 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CKXg-00010e-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 12:55:52 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CKXf-00010X-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 12:55:51 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fB7CsZIH046850 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:54:36 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20011207135158.08b7a960@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:51:58 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: LF: bug in QRS v3.10 In-reply-to: <007701c17e82$14e3b480$e19a17d2@steve> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello all, Dave (G3YXM) drew my attention to a bug in QRS v3.10 : if the fast CW identifier at the beginning of the was activated the identifier was repeated endless. This bug has been cured in QRS v3.11 and this version is send to LWCA, G3YXM and NL9222. On request QRS v3.11 can also been sent to you by e-mail. My appologies for any inconvenience that might have been caused. 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10582 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 04:03:58 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 04:03:58 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25394 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 04:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 04:03:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CC7i-0000A0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 03:56:30 +0000 Received: from mail.london-1.starlabs.net ([212.125.75.12]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CC7h-00009u-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 03:56:29 +0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 8294 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 03:53:55 -0000 Received: from merimac.us.gases.boc.com (HELO merimac) (204.149.80.4) by server-6.tower-4.starlabs.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 03:53:55 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:01:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 7 Dec early report Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:49:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: -20 points if you ain't awake at the time of capture, John! Who says this stuff isn't competitive! -----Original Message----- From: John Andrews [mailto:w1tag@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:45 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 7 Dec early report I have been able to see some fragments from G3AQC on 72.4013 kHz in the last hour (0230). Something's going on at G3LDO's frequency, but I can't ID it yet. Will keep the recording running overnight. John Andrews, W1TAG ********************************************************************* This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. However, it is still recommended that you use local virus scanning software to monitor for the presence of viruses. ********************************************************************* From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5640 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 02:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 02:48:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 29934 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 02:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 02:48:40 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CB11-000032-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 02:45:31 +0000 Received: from dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.14] helo=dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16CB0z-00002x-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 02:45:30 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 3840012 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 21:51:03 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c17ec9$1b2c5120$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003601c17c07$4c58fc40$587e883e@g3aqc><3.0.1.16.20011204101542.2bff5384@pb623250.kuleuven.be><002f01c17db2$4c388df0$0400000a@parissn2><000d01c17e62$97088fa0$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> <3.0.3.32.20011206172509.00e9de48@pop.netzero.net> Subject: LF: 7 Dec early report Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:44:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I have been able to see some fragments from G3AQC on 72.4013 kHz in the last hour (0230). Something's going on at G3LDO's frequency, but I can't ID it yet. Will keep the recording running overnight. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6837 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 22:35:07 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 22:35:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18186 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 22:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 22:35:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16C71w-00087d-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:30:12 +0000 Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net ([209.247.163.58]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16C71s-00087Y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:30:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 28491 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 22:29:12 -0000 Received: from dialup-63.214.102.105.dial1.boston1.level3.net (HELO lazzo) (63.214.102.105) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 22:29:12 -0000 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011206172509.00e9de48@pop.netzero.net> X-Sender: w1jhj@pop.netzero.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:25:09 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Jonathan Jesse" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Conditions last night In-reply-to: <000401c17e77$d8bf2ca0$59ca28c3@ericadodd> References: <003601c17c07$4c58fc40$587e883e@g3aqc> <3.0.1.16.20011204101542.2bff5384@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <002f01c17db2$4c388df0$0400000a@parissn2> <000d01c17e62$97088fa0$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: CONDX were also very good here last night. I will also be watching 72 KHZ tonight. Jon W1JHJ FN42qw At 05:01 PM 12/6/01 -0000, you wrote: > >John Andrews said > > >> Observations by W4DEX and myself indicate that conditions were excellent >at >> 73 and 180 kHz during the early UTC hours of 6 Dec. We both were hearing >HBG >> very clearly, and I copied Dex's 177.777 beacon at 0130, unusual for my >> location, which is noisy in the evening hours. >> >> This might be a good time to resume the 73 kHz tests, assuming that >> conditions continue. I have left my receiver on at home, with the screen >> capture running. > >OK, will give 73kHz a try tonight 72.4005kHz QRSS 90sec dots - from 2200UTC ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19797 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 18:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 18:46:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 15405 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 18:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 18:46:56 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16C3SE-0007cR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:41:06 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16C3SD-0007cK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:41:06 +0000 Received: from host217-35-44-187.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.44.187] helo=dellboy) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16C3R5-0000bM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:39:55 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c17e85$64d33d00$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c17d71$5ce0d720$7273883e@g3aqc> <3.0.1.16.20011206174609.30e7c5a0@pb623250.kuleuven.be> Subject: LF: Re: new release of QRS (version 3.10) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:39:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear all. Rik's new version is on the site now. http://www.wireless.org.uk/ 73. Dave G3YXM > I have a new release of my QRS software, version 3.10. > Main changes compared to the previous version (3.05) are : > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22063 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 18:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 18:21:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 18757 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 18:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 18:21:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16C30R-0007Z3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:12:23 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16C30P-0007Yy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:12:22 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp225.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.225]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA25598 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 05:11:34 +1100 Message-ID: <007701c17e82$14e3b480$e19a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: "RSGB LF Group" Subject: LF: Re; Improving extreme weak signals... Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 05:16:00 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day James, I am intrigued by your posting:- > > I think Rik's idea of displaying 2 tones differentially ought to work, but > it would place quite stringent demands on frequency stability. > This certainly does work as I have been using such a system for several years now. I called it FDK for Frequency Difference Keying. I have had trouble explaining what is really a very simple protocol over those several years and in frustration changed the name to Wanjina to avoid association with VFSKCW, DFCW, FSK, etc. However, FDK wasn't the first 'stab'. It all started for me almost three years ago when I was toying with the idea of speeding up the slow QRSS technique by encoding dots and dashes as two slightly offset tones of the same duration. I had a soundcard program written to do that and convinced myself that it would work. However, at that time very few people were set up to send soundcard derived signals, so I shelved the code until Rik made the protocol popular (only after much persistence by Rik against much opposition if I recall correctly). I quickly resurrected the code and this is the basis of the VFSKCW (Visual Frequency Shift Keying C W) program which was used recently to cross the Pacific on 137.790kHz (ZL2CA / W4DEX). Next came what I called AFK (Absolute Frequency Keying). Here each character is encoded by being assigned its own frequency (say 1000 - 'A', 1010 = 'B', and so on). The duration of each tone was arbitrarily chosen to be 60 seconds. Subsequently, I found that this is actually a very old technique first invented by an Englishman circa 1958 and is called Piccolo Mark 1. Lately this method has been subsequently re-invented as PU-43 and PGP-1. Once again I had shelved this method as the absolute frequency accuracy was beyond what was in use at the time, although I did experiment with it in Laser DX and Infrasonics where absolute frequencies translate into reasonable ppm requirements. After this I began to see that more and more operators were getting into soundcard software transmitting so I attempted to push another scheme which I called FDK (Frequency Difference Keying) to relieve some of the stringent frequency stability requirements. Here the characters are not encoded in an absolute frequency, but the difference between two tones ('A' = 5Hz diff., 'B' = 5.1Hz diff., and so on) of 60 seconds duration. For several years I have been trying to push this protocol as it removes the problem of long term drift and the need to 'net' accurately. Problem was that I couldn't seem to explain the protocol, probably because it was too simple and people were expecting something exotic and mysterious. To try and disassociate FDK from VFSKCW, DFCW, FSK, etc, I changed the protocol name to Wanjina. A HF version of Wanjina was developed (called WaHiFer) and transmissions using 2mW EIRP were received and decoded by Lyle K0LR on 13.555450MHz (a distance of more that 16000km). Argo was used to capture data and that data was analysed off-air to decode the signals. The path from in VK2 to the US is unstable at HF and there was considerable smearing of the signals - however the Wanjina WaHiFer S/W coped with that by decimating in time and using a mode detector. At LF this smearing is not significant and a different Wanjina LF S/W would be more suitable. If it can work at HF then it can work at LF. Perhaps by next season I will have the time to write it (WaLowFer ?). I know some of you have heard this before and I apologise for this, but as it seems as if FDK/Wanjina is being re-invented: > > I think Rik's idea of displaying 2 tones differentially ought to work, > at the risk of annoying everyone, I thought it useful to re-iterate and try and explain again as well as state that based on my actual field results it actually does work. BTW, because I have only recently re-subscribed I missed Rik's post. Could someone forward it to me please ? 73s Steve Olney (VK2ZTO/AXSO - QF56IK : Lat -33 34 07, Long +150 44 40) ============================================= HomePage URL: http://www.qsl.net/vk2zto Containing:- ULF, ELF, VLF & LF Experimentation MF 22m Experimentation InfraSonic Experimentation Laser Comms DX Amateur Radio Astronomy ============================================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16633 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 17:39:24 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 17:39:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8242 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 17:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 17:39:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16C2ET-0007RE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:22:49 +0000 Received: from rhun.esoterica.pt ([195.22.0.26]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16C2ES-0007R9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:22:48 +0000 Received: from srv17slx.esoterica.pt (srv17slx.esoterica.pt [195.22.0.47]) by rhun.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB6HLwn09357 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:21:58 GMT Received: from slave-6 (por056.esoterica.pt [195.22.5.56]) by srv17slx.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fB6HLvC14606 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:21:57 GMT Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011206172257.0095d3a0@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Sender: brian@pop3.esoterica.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:22:57 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" Subject: Re: LF: Conditions last night In-reply-to: <000d01c17e62$97088fa0$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> References: <003601c17c07$4c58fc40$587e883e@g3aqc> <3.0.1.16.20011204101542.2bff5384@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <002f01c17db2$4c388df0$0400000a@parissn2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: 73.6 has been visible here for the last few nights and has been fairly strong and consistent between 03:00 and 06:00utc. Please see my plot for last night, the night before was similar. 73, Brian At 09:30 06/12/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Observations by W4DEX and myself indicate that conditions were excellent at >73 and 180 kHz during the early UTC hours of 6 Dec. We both were hearing HBG >very clearly, and I copied Dex's 177.777 beacon at 0130, unusual for my >location, which is noisy in the evening hours. > >This might be a good time to resume the 73 kHz tests, assuming that >conditions continue. I have left my receiver on at home, with the screen >capture running. > >On another note, I am fairly certain that CFH operates intermittently on >73.6 kHz. I have heard the signal twice, and it is extremely loud here in >Massachusetts. Operation seems to be in the late UTC hours. Last evening, >there was a dead carrier just below there, 73.575 (I think - Dex can correct >me), around 0200. Again, it was strong in North Carolina, and very hot in >Massachusetts. > >John Andrews, W1TAG > > > > > 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8048 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 17:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 17:12:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 6690 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 17:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 17:12:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16C1yQ-0007NW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:06:14 +0000 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.210]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16C1yP-0007NR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:06:13 +0000 Received: from modem-55.boromir.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.141.55] helo=g3aqc) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16C1xh-0003qj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:05:30 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c17e78$44e024c0$378d883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. Conditions last night. Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:05:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Glad to hear that condx are picking up. I am out tonight until 2300 visiting my son with my computer. Argo / Sound card have packed up working. Hopefully he will be able to sort out the problem which is beyond me. I can still run QRS so no problem with transmitting, but I will not be able to check my frequency (at least not very accurately) In any case I will transmit from 2300, hopefully on 72,401/2 Hz. DFCW120. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9858 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 17:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 17:05:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 9407 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 17:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 17:05:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16C1t2-0007L3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:00:40 +0000 Received: from lycee.ns.uk.easynet.net ([195.40.1.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16C1t1-0007Ky-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:00:39 +0000 Received: from ericadodd (tnt-3-89.easynet.co.uk [195.40.202.89]) by lycee.ns.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AB0AAC70 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:59:27 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000401c17e77$d8bf2ca0$59ca28c3@ericadodd> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003601c17c07$4c58fc40$587e883e@g3aqc> <3.0.1.16.20011204101542.2bff5384@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <002f01c17db2$4c388df0$0400000a@parissn2> <000d01c17e62$97088fa0$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> Subject: LF: Re: Conditions last night Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:01:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John Andrews said > Observations by W4DEX and myself indicate that conditions were excellent at > 73 and 180 kHz during the early UTC hours of 6 Dec. We both were hearing HBG > very clearly, and I copied Dex's 177.777 beacon at 0130, unusual for my > location, which is noisy in the evening hours. > > This might be a good time to resume the 73 kHz tests, assuming that > conditions continue. I have left my receiver on at home, with the screen > capture running. OK, will give 73kHz a try tonight 72.4005kHz QRSS 90sec dots - from 2200UTC > > On another note, I am fairly certain that CFH operates intermittently on > 73.6 kHz. Unfortunately, in the UK, we cannot monitor 73.6 because Rugby is so strong and the sidebands so dirty. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12401 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 17:02:06 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 17:02:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6007 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 17:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 17:02:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16C1io-0007Jy-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 16:50:06 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16C1il-0007JW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 16:50:03 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fB6GmjKW030842 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:48:45 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20011206174609.30e7c5a0@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:46:09 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: LF: new release of QRS (version 3.10) In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20011205110343.00a863e0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> References: <000b01c17d71$5ce0d720$7273883e@g3aqc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear, I have a new release of my QRS software, version 3.10. Main changes compared to the previous version (3.05) are : - Possibility to swap the function of the DTR / RTS lines in order to make QRS compatible with all kinds of interfaces. (suggestion of G3JKV) - Possibility to insert a fast CW identification in test mode, this allows testing in accordance to national regulations. (suggestion of G3JKV) - Use of a parallel port (LPT1 or LPT2) as alternative to the serial port, this allows the use of PC's where all serial ports are occupied by the mouse, TNC etc ... Be aware that the use of the parallel port might not work under Win2000 and up. (suggestion of OM2TW) - Available COM ports limited to 9 (was 16) for practical reasons. - Fast CW id. now available at speeds of 6, 9, 12 and 15 WPM. At speeds of 9 WPM and faster more accurate timing is used. This is resulting in a better CW quality but can also lead to 'gaps' is the soundcard datastream (if DSP receiving software is used simultaniously). Since this will only occur during transmission this will most likely not be harmfull. The 6 WPM speed runs still under the old timing routine and will not interfere with the soundcard datastream. - Possibility to ommit the 'reduntant' gaps between 2 subsequent dots or dashes. This will result in a very limited increase in data rate, but might be worth it at very slow speeds. (suggestion of G3AQC) QRS version 3.10 has been sent to LWCA, G3YXM and NL9222 and probably will be ready for download from their pages soon. Alternatively I can send you the new version per e-mail, please request by mail direct to me (not via reflector). 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21196 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 15:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 15:39:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 17269 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 14:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 14:37:36 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BzUw-00070p-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 14:27:38 +0000 Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.188]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BzUt-00070k-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 14:27:35 +0000 Received: from comrex (207-172-97-74.s74.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.97.74]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n20340/mtc.v2) with SMTP id JAA22476 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:26:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000d01c17e62$97088fa0$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003601c17c07$4c58fc40$587e883e@g3aqc> <3.0.1.16.20011204101542.2bff5384@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <002f01c17db2$4c388df0$0400000a@parissn2> Subject: LF: Conditions last night Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:30:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Observations by W4DEX and myself indicate that conditions were excellent at 73 and 180 kHz during the early UTC hours of 6 Dec. We both were hearing HBG very clearly, and I copied Dex's 177.777 beacon at 0130, unusual for my location, which is noisy in the evening hours. This might be a good time to resume the 73 kHz tests, assuming that conditions continue. I have left my receiver on at home, with the screen capture running. On another note, I am fairly certain that CFH operates intermittently on 73.6 kHz. I have heard the signal twice, and it is extremely loud here in Massachusetts. Operation seems to be in the late UTC hours. Last evening, there was a dead carrier just below there, 73.575 (I think - Dex can correct me), around 0200. Again, it was strong in North Carolina, and very hot in Massachusetts. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7140 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 09:53:50 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 09:53:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29093 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 09:53:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 09:53:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Bv1n-0006T5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:41:15 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Bv1j-0006Sy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:41:11 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fB69doKW038160 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:39:51 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20011206103713.2c778a9e@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:37:13 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Re. Improving extreame weak signals. In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20011205110343.00a863e0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> References: <000b01c17d71$5ce0d720$7273883e@g3aqc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Jim, >I think Rik's idea of displaying 2 tones differentially ought to work, but >it would place quite stringent demands on frequency stability. The current >spectrograms are not too fussy about exact frequency, so long as the drift >is smaller than the FFT resolution during one dot period, and the signal >stays on the screen. But if we were to compare two tones, it would require >accuracy in the frequency shift that was smaller than the resolution of the >FFT - a few millihertz with the longer dot lengths. Judging from last >year's experience with Wolf, it is quite hard for this kind of accuracy to >be set up and maintained throughout the transmit/receive system, when the >equipment being used includes amateur-type rigs, sound cards etc. I agree that requirements will be more stringent than for normal QRSS or DFCW. But since one can monitor a quite broad frequency range (10Hz or so) it will be only the the accuracy of the frequency shift that is critical - not the absolute frequency (in contradiction to WOLF). Assuming 120 seconds dotlength the accuracy and stability of the shift has to be better than 0.008Hz. This may sound awfull, but 0.008Hz on 136kHz is no more difficult than a 8Hz accuracy on 2 meter. Using a properly designed PLL or DSS system it shouldn't be a 'mission impossible'. I believe that we have to distinguish between 2 kinds of users in the weak signal business. On the one hand you have the normal users that just want to use QRSS or DFCW to improve the range of their station and just want to make QSO's all over Europe. For these users the existing DSP software is sufficient, no need to make things more complicated. But on the other hand there is also a smaller group that is interested in exploring the limits (and breaking them). Since we are limited in 'brute force' (1 Watt ERP) we will have to look for more efficient transmitting modes and more sensitive receiving systems. It is for this second group that I made my suggestions, assumng that they want to do more effort in improving their station than the average user. 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14400 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 01:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 01:07:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18844 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 01:07:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 01:07:16 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BmqI-0005ME-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 00:56:50 +0000 Received: from opcenter.thecia.net ([208.218.131.20]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BmqG-0005Ls-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 00:56:48 +0000 Received: from p233 (dialup-216-41-39-249.thecia.net [216.41.39.249] (may be forged)) by opcenter.thecia.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8+djf) with SMTP id TAA25890 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:51:45 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed From: "Merv" Organization: McKee Engineering To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: KK7KA and coding... Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:01:18 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <01120520011801.01213@p233> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Stewart, Congratulations, that was one of the best explanations of coding schemes I have seen in a long time. Nice job. best 73, Merv. NC1K. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16456 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 17:40:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 17:40:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 29243 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 17:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 17:39:56 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BfrX-0004Ep-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:29:39 +0000 Received: from sun4.scgroup.com ([192.55.122.7]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BfrT-0004Ek-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:29:35 +0000 Received: from parissn2 (AMontsouris-101-1-3-195.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.252.108.195]) by sun4.scgroup.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA12336 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:28:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002f01c17db2$4c388df0$0400000a@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003601c17c07$4c58fc40$587e883e@g3aqc> <3.0.1.16.20011204101542.2bff5384@pb623250.kuleuven.be> Subject: LF: Re: Improving extreme weak signals Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:28:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Rik and all, The current DFCW format is really a ternary signal. A space (interval of no signal) must be present between characters, because Morse is a variable length code. One must distinguish the presence or absence of a tone, and the amount of energy present at the other frequency does not help that distinction. For example, your call would be sent as "--- -. --... -.-- -.. " ; QSB at position: 2,9,10,11,15,16, or 20 results in valid Morse (and incorrect copy). Errors in other positions would be detected, because invalid codes result, but it would be quite hard to use that information to enhance a "for human decode" display. If the Tx were capable of transmitting three frequencies, and the third assigned to the space function, one could compare the energies in each of the three bands, and choose the strongest as the most likely sent. That would give most of your 3 dB advantage, and yet be compatible with current practice. However, if you have the ability to send multiple frequencies, a much larger gain is obtained by using a different frequency for each letter or digit. This gains at least 6 dB over the system above. If the tones were spaced 0.1 Hz apart, then your existing 4 Hz screen could show an alphabet of up to 40 symbols. The software could display corresponding letters and digits on a scale, but the operator would still be deciding which characters were sent. It would also work with existing software, by looking up the received frequency in a character table. This scheme has been described and tested by many hams, under names such as PUA43, Piccolo, AFK, and PGP-1. If the message length and start time are agreed upon in advance, then systems like PUA43 offer a huge advantage, because you know what part of the message is being sent at any time. If you get partial copy, you know which character(s) were received, and you fill in a piece of the puzzle. After several repeats, if all characters were received at least once, the puzzle is solved. Such a system would also permit advanced software to combine the received energy from multiple message repeats, forming a composite with better S/N. The variable length nature of Morse thwarts the above idea, but perhaps a similar code using say, four elements per character could be used. This code would always start with a "." or "-", but could have a space as the second, third or fourth element. Letters with 4 dots and/or dashes would be sent without any following space. Letters with 3, would have a space at the end. One or two dots would pad out shorter letters. There are 14 valid (per above rules) codes left over; these would be assigned to word space, digits, and 3 punctuation. For example if "- .-" were assigned to "7", then your call would be sent as "--- -. .- .--.---.. " which is two elements shorter than standard Morse, but the main idea here is not to be faster. It is that all characters take exactly 8 minutes to send; if you receive "-.--" 24 minutes after the start, you know that "Y" is the fourth character. One could also develop a code which is a compromise between Morse and PUA43. For example, if seven frequencies were used, one could use two tones, sent sequentially, to represent one character. That would be twice a fast as the above, more robust (no space), would fit in a 1 Hz bandwidth, and could easily be decoded by eye. Let me know if you think that any of these are promising. 73, Stewart KK7KA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4611 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 13:10:22 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 13:10:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15794 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 13:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 13:10:11 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Bbbm-0003Nq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:57:06 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Bbbk-0003Nl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:57:04 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16Bbay-0007nU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:56:16 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Bbax-0001RM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:56:15 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011205110343.00a863e0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:56:14 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: Re. Improving extreame weak signals. In-reply-to: <000b01c17d71$5ce0d720$7273883e@g3aqc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, At 09:41 05/12/2001 +0000, Laurie wrote: >...but it would seem sensible to have defined time and >frequency "slots" into which the signal could drop,so that all the available >energy could be used rather than it be spread out in timeand frequency. I think we have been here before ... If you chose the optimum resolution for the speed of QRSS you are using, you will get the best signal to noise ratio between "dot" and "no dot" when all the samples containing a signal are used for the FFT algorithm that calculates the spectrum of the signal. This suggests you would get the brightest dot on the screen if the start of the FFT is made to coincide with the start of the dot. But in fact this more or less happens already; suppose you have 30 s dots and have set up the FFT to use 30s worth of samples. Normally, the spectrogram software will perform an FFT at least once every few seconds, let's say 3 seconds, using the received signal from the previous 30s. Even if the relative timing of the dots and FFT is totally un-synchronised, at least one FFT will start within 3 seconds of the start of the dot being transmitted, and so be very close to optimum. The FFTs performed on data from before and after the optimum time will contain less signal, so the dot displayed on the screen will fade in and out, reaching a peak of intensity in the middle. The only effect of synchronising the start of the FFT with the dots will be to eliminate the sub-optimum FFTs, and retain the optimum one where the timings coincided - the effect would be the same as superimposing an opaque mask on the screen with slots coinciding with the timing of the transmitted dots. I suppose this would not be hard to do, but would it be an advantage? You would get rid of some "clutter" on the display, but it would be harder to tell when bursts of noise and so on had occured. The display would not actually contain any more signal information, though. I think Rik's idea of displaying 2 tones differentially ought to work, but it would place quite stringent demands on frequency stability. The current spectrograms are not too fussy about exact frequency, so long as the drift is smaller than the FFT resolution during one dot period, and the signal stays on the screen. But if we were to compare two tones, it would require accuracy in the frequency shift that was smaller than the resolution of the FFT - a few millihertz with the longer dot lengths. Judging from last year's experience with Wolf, it is quite hard for this kind of accuracy to be set up and maintained throughout the transmit/receive system, when the equipment being used includes amateur-type rigs, sound cards etc. BTW: I hope to get my DFCW modulator finished as soon as I get a bit of time to do it - should be a real advantage for someone whose callsign is mainly dashes! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11177 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 09:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 09:51:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 12967 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 09:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 09:51:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BYbF-0002rn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:44:21 +0000 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.23]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BYbE-0002ri-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:44:20 +0000 Received: from modem-114.annael.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.115.114] helo=g3aqc) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16BYaS-0001Zc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:43:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c17d71$5ce0d720$7273883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. Improving extreame weak signals. Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:41:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Further to Riks proposals yesterday re DFCW, I should like to see more use of this mode. Also I am sure that there is more that could be done to improve both the speed of transmission and S/N ratio. But improved techniques require improved capabilities Frequency measurment accuracy,frequency stability and accurate time synchronisation are all areas where I am up against the limits of my equipment and indeed knowledge. Like Rik I do not really understand how the DSP we use works,but it would seem sensible to have defined time and frequency "slots" into which the signal could drop,so that all the available energy could be used rather than it be spread out in timeand frequency. If anyone with greater understanding of these issues would like to carry out any tests I would be pleased to co-operate either with transmitting or recieving tests. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28169 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 08:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 08:26:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 26883 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 08:26:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 08:26:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BXIO-0002fJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 08:20:48 +0000 Received: from 210-86-15-132.ipnets.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.132] helo=mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BXIK-0002fC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 08:20:45 +0000 Received: from rvernall ([202.27.178.156]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20011205081926.WNVW13078.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@rvernall> for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 21:19:26 +1300 Message-ID: <002e01c17c9c$4e331ec0$9cb21bca@rvernall> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011204173125.00ae6390@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: DX reception of ZL6QH by W4DEX Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:07:30 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: CLAIM OF ZL TO W4 AMATEUR LF DX 4 December 2001 On Saturday 1 December ZL6QH sited near Wellington, New Zealand transmitted a low speed frequency shift keyed test signal in the 136 kHz band. This was the first time that DX testing in he 136 kHz band has been tried by ZL6QH, since having the 135.7 - 137.8 kHz band recently added to the club station Low Frequency Permit. Various DX listeners had prior knowledge of the ZL6QH test transmission, which ran for all hours of local darkness. Dexter W4DEX managed to receive and positively identify signals from ZL6QH. The path length from ZL6QH to W4DEX in North Carolina has been calculated as 13,633 km. W4DEX used receiving equipment with the audio fed to a computer sound card for filtering and display of the signal. This is now a popular technique used for "below the noise" detection of amateur LF signals, as ZL6QH was using 120 second dot length (each transmitted bit was 2 minutes) and there can be nil detected by ear, yet coding of the wanted signal can be seen after DSP filtering and displaying on the screen. The screen display can be captured and saved as a file, as a record of what was received, and for passing to others by electronic means. Best reception was reported as being between about 0904 and 0950 UTC, which is approximately one to two hours after ZL6QH sunset at 0800 UTC and about two to three hours before W4DEX sunrise at 1212 UTC. The radio equipment used by W4DEX was a square loop antenna, 2.3 metres per side, balanced pre-amplifier feeding an HP3586B selective level meter. The ZL6QH transmitted signal used dual frequency keying, with 0.4 Hz frequency shift. The uniquely coded transmission consisted of repetitive sending of QQQQQ. sent as 137.7900, 137.7900, 137.7896, 137.7900 and then a gap, with all elements being of 120 seconds (2 minutes) duration. This means sending a single Q takes ten minutes. The timing was such that the start of a fresh Q was on the hour, so coding by absolute timing was another factor that could be used for analysis of weak signal detection. The ZL6QH LF signal was generated using a modified TS-850SAT, in SSB mode, fed with audio from a lap top PC, using soundcard software developed by Steve VK2ZTO. TS-850 frequency control was by means of a high performance TCXO master oscillator. The low level LF signal from the TS-850 transverter port was fed to an external LF power amplifier, and the output power was around 500 watts. The radiated power is estimated to be 4 watts. The antenna was a long wire at the Quartz Hill club station, which is run by the Wellington Amateur Radio Club. The ZL6QH operator was Bob ZL2CA. The next test from ZL6QH in the 136 kHz band will be on 15 December. Bob Vernall ZL2CA Organiser of the ZL LF DX tests From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28106 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 20:44:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 20:44:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17274 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 20:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 20:44:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BMM6-0001FE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:39:54 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BMM4-0001F6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:39:53 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.110.149]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:36:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3C0D7A6A.897AE43@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:37:47 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Experts References: <3C0D1851.1BA9C317@netscapeonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Mal . I think if u contact VE1ZZ he will try . 73 De John VE1ZJ gii3kev wrote: > With experts across the ocean like VE1ZJ, W1TAG,W4DEX and NC1K ( working > on his LF antenna)it is only a question of time before a normal manual > CW qso takes place between Europe and America /Canada on 136 khz and > possibly 73 khz. I work some amateurs on 136 khz with big signals from > EU, these signals are much stronger than anything that I hear from the > UK except MM0ALM in Scotland. > I do not think these strong signal stations work very slow computer > generated cw at 90 second dots etc and therefore are not being heard > across the atlantic. > I wonder if it could be arranged for someone across in America/Canada to > listen for these stations. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20855 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 20:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 20:35:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 23782 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 20:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 20:35:16 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BMCk-0001D2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:30:14 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BMCi-0001Cx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:30:12 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp226.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.226]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA29021 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:29:25 +1100 Message-ID: <004801c17d02$ffe83860$e29a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003601c17c07$4c58fc40$587e883e@g3aqc> <001001c17cdc$c27ce960$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> Subject: LF: TransPac Tests... Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:33:52 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Congratulations to all involved in the crossing between ZL and W4 on 136kHz. I am doubly pleased as Bob ZL2CA used my VFSKCW soundcard software to transmit the test signal. Makes the time spent coding worthwhile. The enhancements I have put in the program are the result of feedback from Bob from his experiences. On another tack, having been successful at using a HF version of Wanjina mode (WaHiFer) on 13.555450MHz (VK2ZTO to K0LR -> 16000km) using 2mW EIRP, perhaps it might be worthwhile doing a LF version. Maybe next season. Well done guys !!! end 73s Steve Olney (VK2ZTO/AXSO - QF56IK : Lat -33 34 07, Long +150 44 40) ============================================= HomePage URL: http://www.qsl.net/vk2zto Containing:- ULF, ELF, VLF & LF Experimentation MF 22m Experimentation InfraSonic Experimentation Laser Comms DX Amateur Radio Astronomy ============================================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 809 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 20:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 20:19:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 25517 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 20:19:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 20:19:22 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BLwH-00019t-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:13:13 +0000 Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.177]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BLwF-00019o-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:13:12 +0000 Received: from modem-14.brodda.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.143.142] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16BLvV-0004ZP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:12:25 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c17d00$0b36d760$8e8f883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: re.73kHz last night Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:10:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John, and John Thanks for looking last night. I think I will give it a rest tonight and wait till Jim has fixed his antenna and Peter sorted out the problem with his Decca. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1081 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 19:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 19:31:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16248 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 19:31:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 19:31:13 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BL9d-000125-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:22:57 +0000 Received: from [204.202.140.199] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BL9a-00011z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:22:55 +0000 Received: from gomailjtp05 ([10.212.0.165]) by mta07.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0GNU006B631BI7@mta07.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:19:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:20:01 -0800 (PST) From: "John Sexton" Subject: Re: LF: IMAGE satellite To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <7315637.1007493601373.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Alex, Nothing seen here using 2 metre loop N/S into pre-amp and AOR7030, despite looking on all favourable occasions, using Spectran with long integration times. The frequency you quote is 38Hz high, but it might be since they did not specify the mode of modulation or the frequency precision. I monitor this part of the VLF band fairly frequently and the only signals I have recorded between Alpha and GBR are: Alpha 14.881kHz NAA Cutler 15.5kHz weak carrier TV line oscillator 15.625kHz GBR 15.975kHz 73, John, G4CNN -----Original Message----- From: "ALEX DELIGIANNIS" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue Dec 04 07:13:53 PST 2001 Subject: LF: IMAGE satellite >Dear,> I try to receive IMAGE satellite yesterday 3 Dec 01 (the satellite was very close to me over Greece) for a second time on 15 KHZ but nothing heard. The first time was on Nov 30rd and I record a signal 157 HZ above Alpha 14881 HZ transmition at 19:33Z. I have a 4 MB wav file for further investigation but I want to know if any other stations heard the VLF transmitions. The receiving setup is a SIEMENS D2040 Analyzer feeding an Icom R75 (IF of 100KHZ) a 31 m wire antenna in the clear also an alternative receining system with Datong converter IC-756 and 6m vertical, with the vertical antenna I had mutch more noise... > 73's ALEX SV8QG from Lesbos Is KM39GC ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12842 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 19:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 19:09:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22160 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 19:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 19:09:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BKrz-0000yA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:04:43 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BKrx-0000y5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:04:42 +0000 Received: from ldsas07-71-122-162.cw-visp.com ([212.137.122.162] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16BKhH-0005rI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:53:39 +0000 Message-ID: <3C0D1851.1BA9C317@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:39:13 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: Experts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: With experts across the ocean like VE1ZJ, W1TAG,W4DEX and NC1K ( working on his LF antenna)it is only a question of time before a normal manual CW qso takes place between Europe and America /Canada on 136 khz and possibly 73 khz. I work some amateurs on 136 khz with big signals from EU, these signals are much stronger than anything that I hear from the UK except MM0ALM in Scotland. I do not think these strong signal stations work very slow computer generated cw at 90 second dots etc and therefore are not being heard across the atlantic. I wonder if it could be arranged for someone across in America/Canada to listen for these stations. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4121 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 18:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 18:41:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 25771 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 18:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 18:41:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BKJ1-0000pa-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:28:35 +0000 Received: from ligarius-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.189]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BKIz-0000pV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:28:34 +0000 Received: from comrex (207-172-245-58.s820.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.245.58]) by ligarius-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n26500/mtc.v2) with SMTP id NAA21658 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:27:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002701c17cf1$e6a944e0$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011204173125.00ae6390@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: Re: 73k Last night Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:30:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Jim, > Transmitted on 72.4018kHz last night from around 2250 until some time > around 0200, when part of my temporary antenna fell down. I doubt if I will > have time to fix it before tomorrow, so will not be transmitting tonight. Obviously, megawatt transmitters and kilowatt insulators don't mix! John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21691 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 17:42:27 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 17:42:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27360 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 17:42:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 17:42:25 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BJVP-0000f5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:37:19 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BJVO-0000ey-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:37:18 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16BJUb-0006Tu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:36:29 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16BJUa-0005q8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:36:29 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011204173125.00ae6390@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:36:27 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: 73k Last night MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Transmitted on 72.4018kHz last night from around 2250 until some time around 0200, when part of my temporary antenna fell down. I doubt if I will have time to fix it before tomorrow, so will not be transmitting tonight. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26874 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 16:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 16:55:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14975 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 16:55:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 16:55:23 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BImB-0000YK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:50:35 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BImA-0000YF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:50:34 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.41.174]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:50:46 -0400 Message-ID: <3C0D00A7.327BB74C@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 12:58:16 -0400 From: "John Currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb" Subject: LF: 73 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Looked last night saw nil 73 de John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22073 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 16:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 16:00:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 14355 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 16:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 16:00:11 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BHwZ-0000P3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:57:15 +0000 Received: from ligarius-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.189]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BHwX-0000Oy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:57:13 +0000 Received: from comrex (207-172-102-140.s394.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.102.140]) by ligarius-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n26500/mtc.v2) with SMTP id KAA06534 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:56:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001001c17cdc$c27ce960$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003601c17c07$4c58fc40$587e883e@g3aqc> Subject: LF: Re: 73 kHz Beacon Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:59:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie - Should have reported earlier. After losing a half hour with the loop pointed in the wrong direction, I started recording at 2315 last night. There was no sign of a signal through 0100. W4DEX had similar results. The band was quite noisy, despite the lack of U.S. lightning activity. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14686 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 15:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 15:30:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 13122 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 15:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 15:30:00 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BHJ8-0000JB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:16:30 +0000 Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr ([195.170.0.5]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BHJ5-0000J4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:16:28 +0000 Received: from 1 (myti530-a009.otenet.gr [212.205.251.137]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with SMTP id fB4FFdp19000 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:15:39 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <001501c17cd6$6f726ca0$89fbcdd4@1> From: "ALEX DELIGIANNIS" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: IMAGE satellite Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:13:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear,
     I try to receive IMAGE satellite yesterday 3 Dec 01 (the satellite was very close to me over Greece) for a second time on 15 KHZ but nothing heard. The first time was on Nov 30rd and I record a signal 157 HZ above Alpha 14881 HZ transmition at 19:33Z. I have a 4 MB wav file for further investigation but I want to know if any other stations heard the VLF transmitions. The receiving setup is a SIEMENS D2040 Analyzer feeding an Icom R75 (IF of 100KHZ)  a 31 m wire antenna in the clear also an alternative receining system with Datong converter IC-756 and 6m vertical, with the vertical antenna I had mutch more noise...
 73's ALEX SV8QG from Lesbos Is KM39GC
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23641 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 09:21:32 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 09:21:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18175 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 09:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 09:21:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BBjj-000864-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:19:35 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BBjg-00085z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:19:32 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fB49IHhY090170 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:18:17 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20011204101542.2bff5384@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:15:42 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: LF: Improving extreme weak signals In-reply-to: <3C0BACB1.2ABF3AF8@ns.sympatico.ca> References: <003601c17c07$4c58fc40$587e883e@g3aqc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello group, First of all my congrats to the ZL6QH team and W4DEX for setting a new milestone. Besides the new distance record it also shows that 136kHz DX progation isn't limited to northern (southern) latitudes. Now another item : In the recent 136kHz trans-pacific tests and the 73kHz trans-atlantic tests the mode was DFCW with 2 minute dotlength. I believe that both DFCW and these long dotlengths could make it possible to gain a few more dB SNR : 1. Assuming we use a 2 minute dotlength where the dot starts exactly on an even minute the receiving software could take advantage of this 'synchronisation' as it would exactly know over what period the signal has to be integrated. This would not only allow to get rid of the 'blur' but also strongly reduce the FFT calculation time (that could be used for other SNR improving handlings). Further it might be possible that the knowledge of the exact 'dot period' can allow a better discrimination between presence/absence of a signal. 2. With the current receiving software what you see on the screen is the strength of a signal compared to the noise. Using DFCW with a exactly known shift would make it possible to show the 'differential' signal. This should give a 3dB gain over QRSS. Eg : Assume that we could agree to a standard shift of 0.1Hz. Further assume that the receiving software shows a 4Hz segment (let's say 798 to 802Hz). So at the 800Hz line on the screen we would not see the absolute strength of the 800Hz component but the difference between the 800.0 and 799.9Hz components. If a 'dash' is transmitted (on 800.0Hz) the differential signal would be positive, if a 'dot' is transmitted (on 799.9Hz) the differential signal would be negative and if nothing is transmitted the differential signal would be (close to) zero. If we connect these differentential values to a good color pallette a DFCW signal would be shown on a single line (the 'dash' frequency) where a 'dash could appear as one color (eg. red) and a dot as another color (eg. blue) while noise (no signal) would appear as the inbetween color (eg. brown). We would have to get used to this kind of appearance of a DFCW signal, but the profit would be a 3dB better SNR. I wonder if the above makes some sense (I'm not a DSP specialist) ? 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7182 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 04:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 04:54:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 10947 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 04:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 04:54:56 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16B7VT-0007cw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 04:48:35 +0000 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.132]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16B7VS-0007cr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 04:48:34 +0000 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.181.182]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20011204044716.YYKX13078.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:47:16 +1300 Message-ID: <001501c17c7f$3a4cff60$b6b51bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5255163.1007287867520.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> <00c801c17b6d$04ced4c0$4eb51bca@xtr743187> Subject: LF: ZL6QH to W4DEX distance Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:49:51 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, The distance from ZL6QH to W4DEX has been calculated as being 13,633 km. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1623 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 23:25:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 23:25:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 14835 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 23:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 23:25:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16B2Ol-0006uS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 23:21:19 +0000 Received: from latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net ([195.40.1.40]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16B2Oj-0006uN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 23:21:17 +0000 Received: from ericadodd (tnt-1-29.easynet.co.uk [195.40.206.29]) by latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9520053A17 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:20:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <002501c17c51$90cc7c40$1dce28c3@ericadodd> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011203115739.00aded78@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: Re: 137k tests/73k on 1/2 Dec Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:23:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: James Moritz said > I worked through the FS figures I measured last week on 73k - it comes out > like this: > > G3AQC 130mW ERP > G3LDO 85mW ERP > M0BMU 100mW ERP > > Rugby 73.25kHz 7.5kW ERP > > Bearing in mind that for all the signals apart from my own, deviation of up > to +/-3dB could be expected due to relying on only one field strength > measurement, and that I have not attempted to include ground wave losses. > So amateur signals are roughly 50dB down compared to the Rugby FSK signal. > If the receiver is using about 0.01Hz bandwidth to obtain a few dB SNR (ie > a visible QRSS signal), then the FSK should have at least 6dB SNR in 300Hz > BW, so be an easily audible signal. Jim's figures look about right. I was running about 800w and I figure my antenna is about .01% efficient. I hope to get a new or repaired third module for the Decca Tx this week and should be able to get up to 120mW erp if I also get a better PSU! I wont be on 73kHz tonight or tomorrow. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25909 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 21:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 21:28:48 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5219 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 21:28:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 21:28:59 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16B0Xs-0006fV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:22:36 +0000 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.136] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16B0Xr-0006fQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:22:35 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p0905.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.202.142]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB3LLnV00112 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:21:49 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112032121.fB3LLnV00112@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:21:53 +0100 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz tonight X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >> MOBMU -57.9dB >> G3AQC -54.2dB >> G3LDO -53.9dB >Thank you very much for your reports Ko - very much appreciated. > >Regards, >Peter, G3LDO ------ Peter, Laurie, Jim.. I was using the Decca 80325b, fed with 36Volt wich seems the Max, but was dissapointed by the results as it performs equal to the DX-One. I hope to be able to give better reports soon with the loop antenna. 73 de Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1816 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 19:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 19:43:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19010 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 19:43:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 19:43:23 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AyPq-0006QM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 19:06:10 +0000 Received: from [204.202.140.198] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AyPp-0006QF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 19:06:09 +0000 Received: from gomailjtp05 ([10.212.0.165]) by mta06.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0GNS00CHC7N3K6@mta06.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:04:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 11:04:17 -0800 (PST) From: "John Sexton" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Notes on virus protection To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <3023913.1007406257305.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Alberto, I do the same and no problems to date, touch wood. John, G4CNN -----Original Message----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon Dec 03 05:40:29 PST 2001 Subject: LF: Re: Notes on virus protection >Nick wrote:> >> On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:59:25 +1300, you wrote: >> >> > a couple of tips to maximise protection and also stop it >> >being passed to others are as follows: >> >> An even better one is not to retrieve e-mails with Microsoft software. >> >> Agent from www.forteinc.com is a first class safe newsreader/e-mail application. >> > >I have always used Netscape both as browser and as mail client. >I like the integration between the two functions. >Never caught a virus (or a flu...). >There is no place for Internet Exploder or Outlook in my PC. > >73 Alberto I2PHD > > > ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17204 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 18:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 18:11:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 27806 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 18:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 18:11:43 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AxSa-0006Hi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 18:04:56 +0000 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93] helo=rhenium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AxSZ-0006Hd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 18:04:55 +0000 Received: from [62.7.18.199] (helo=default) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16AxRr-0007Hu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 18:04:11 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c17c24$eddf8440$c712073e@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: DX Cluster spots for 1/2 Dec at GB7DXM and Propagation Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:34:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, very little serious listening from me for some time now as mostly what I am hearing these days is interference from TVs Propagation ....the day-time levels seem to be getting back to normal after the last big Geomagnetic storm. The CME produced with the flare on 28/29 Nov., that was forecast for today, does not seem to have given any significant effects. I think the reason may be that its magnetic field lines did not connect with the Earth's field (wrong orientation) and it probably 'bounced off'. There is some increase in Kp but only to about 3, which does not seem to have a great deal of effect on LF. This means that night-time levels should improve slowly with the rapid fading slowing and giving better levels on peaks (Thanks to Brian CT1DRP for the plots of DCF39). http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian DX Cluster spots follow:- 136.6 M0BMU 2-Dec-2001 2225Z 579 136.8 PA0BWL 2-Dec-2001 2048Z 529 136.8 OH1TN 2-Dec-2001 2048Z 419 136.7 DL3FDO 2-Dec-2001 1453Z cq OH 136.5 DK7SU 2-Dec-2001 1442Z cq 136.5 PA0BWL 2-Dec-2001 1355Z cq 137.0 DL3FDO 2-Dec-2001 1043Z cq nw here 136.7 DL3FDO 2-Dec-2001 1041Z cq 136.3 DL1SAN 2-Dec-2001 1032Z clg PA0BWL 136.3 PA0BWL 2-Dec-2001 1029Z cq 136.9 OZ8NJ 2-Dec-2001 1029Z 440 cq 136.7 DK8ND 2-Dec-2001 1021Z clg DK6NI 136.7 DK6NI 2-Dec-2001 1019Z cq 136.4 DK8ND 2-Dec-2001 1018Z clg OK1DTN 137.7 I5TGC 2-Dec-2001 1015Z cq qrss 136.4 DK7SU 2-Dec-2001 0840Z in qso DK8ND 136.5 DK8ND 2-Dec-2001 0838Z 559 calling cq 136.8 IK5ZPV 1-Dec-2001 2033Z 579 cq qsx 3573 136.3 DK6NI 1-Dec-2001 1424Z clg OK1DTN 136.6 OK1DTN 1-Dec-2001 1122Z correct 136.6 OK1DTS 1-Dec-2001 1121Z cq... 136.7 F6BWO 1-Dec-2001 1123Z clg DL3FDO 136.4 DJ1ZB 1-Dec-2001 1120Z clg OK1DTN 136.3 OK1DTN 1-Dec-2001 1116Z cq 136.4 F6BWO 1-Dec-2001 1110Z clg OK1DTN 136.4 OK1DTN 1-Dec-2001 1006Z in qso DJ2LF 136.5 DK7SU 1-Dec-2001 0929Z in qso DJ2LF 136.8 DK7SU 28-Nov-2001 1308Z 136.4 G3LDO 26-Nov-2001 1547Z cq cq 136.5 ANYBODY 26-Nov-2001 1529Z copy my CQ from JO32QG G3NYK de GB7MRS 3-Dec-2001 1549Z > Cheers de Alan G3NYK JO02PB alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7455 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 16:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 16:45:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19825 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 16:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 16:44:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Aw9j-00066u-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:41:23 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Aw9i-00066p-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:41:22 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.88.135]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:40:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3C0BACB1.2ABF3AF8@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:47:47 -0400 From: "John Currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 73 kHz Beacon References: <003601c17c07$4c58fc40$587e883e@g3aqc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: hi Laurie I'll be looking 2130 73 de John VE1ZJ Laurie Mayhead wrote: > First ,belated congratulations to Dex for his reception of ZL6QH > what an achievement! > Thanks to Ko for the pics and measurments,and Jim for the F/S calculations, > although lower than I thought we are all quite close > so no reason why we should not all get across the pond. > I will transmit again tonight using DFCW with Riks latest mod which drops > the space when there is a freq. shift. It looks very good here and saves a > bit of time! > Start at 21:30 freq 72,401.2/3 Hz. DFCW120 73s Laurie From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23671 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 15:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 15:13:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 3667 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 15:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 15:13:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AuZP-0005rM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 14:59:47 +0000 Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.188]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AuZO-0005rH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 14:59:46 +0000 Received: from comrex (209-122-234-26.s2090.apx2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.234.26]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n20340/mtc.v2) with SMTP id JAA02160 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:58:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002901c17c0b$8d5f44c0$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003601c17c07$4c58fc40$587e883e@g3aqc> Subject: LF: Re: 73 kHz Beacon Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:02:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie, > Start at 21:30 freq 72,401.2/3 Hz. DFCW120 73s Laurie It being a workday, I unfortunately won't be home until 2245, but will start looking then. Hobbies would be so much more fun without the distraction of obtaining a pay check... John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2985 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 14:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 14:34:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 2520 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 14:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 14:34:40 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Au96-0005nt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 14:32:36 +0000 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.19]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Au95-0005no-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 14:32:35 +0000 Received: from modem-88.aros.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.126.88] helo=g3aqc) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Au8N-00024O-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 14:31:52 +0000 Message-ID: <003601c17c07$4c58fc40$587e883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73 kHz Beacon Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:26:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: First ,belated congratulations to Dex for his reception of ZL6QH what an achievement! Thanks to Ko for the pics and measurments,and Jim for the F/S calculations, although lower than I thought we are all quite close so no reason why we should not all get across the pond. I will transmit again tonight using DFCW with Riks latest mod which drops the space when there is a freq. shift. It looks very good here and saves a bit of time! Start at 21:30 freq 72,401.2/3 Hz. DFCW120 73s Laurie From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4471 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 13:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 13:45:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5580 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 13:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 13:46:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AtMq-0005fE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:42:44 +0000 Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com ([32.97.136.227]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AtMk-0005f9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:42:40 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA25372 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:38:33 -0600 Received: from usa.net (ss3.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.68]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id fB3DfTN289860 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:41:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3C0B80CD.53634F37@usa.net> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 14:40:29 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Notes on virus protection References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <003901c17aa2$79bffb40$8fce28c3@ericadodd> <000b01c17ac3$1ad89ee0$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000901c17ac9$d296d500$e1e086d4@ericadodd> <000e01c17abc$8efa6760$74b21bca@rvernall> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Nick wrote: > On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:59:25 +1300, you wrote: > > > a couple of tips to maximise protection and also stop it > >being passed to others are as follows: > > An even better one is not to retrieve e-mails with Microsoft software. > > Agent from www.forteinc.com is a first class safe newsreader/e-mail application. > I have always used Netscape both as browser and as mail client. I like the integration between the two functions. Never caught a virus (or a flu...). There is no place for Internet Exploder or Outlook in my PC. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14170 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 13:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 13:14:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27001 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 13:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 13:14:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Aspw-0005Zx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:08:44 +0000 Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net ([158.43.192.97]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Aspv-0005Zs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:08:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 2455 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 13:07:57 -0000 Received: from userfa72.uk.uudial.com (62.188.19.242) by smtp-6.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 13:07:57 -0000 From: "Nick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Notes on virus protection Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:08:19 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <003901c17aa2$79bffb40$8fce28c3@ericadodd> <000b01c17ac3$1ad89ee0$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000901c17ac9$d296d500$e1e086d4@ericadodd> <000e01c17abc$8efa6760$74b21bca@rvernall> In-reply-to: <000e01c17abc$8efa6760$74b21bca@rvernall> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:59:25 +1300, you wrote: > a couple of tips to maximise protection and also stop it >being passed to others are as follows: An even better one is not to retrieve e-mails with Microsoft software. Agent from www.forteinc.com is a first class safe newsreader/e-mail application. Nick From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4979 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 12:45:29 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 12:45:29 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 3408 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 12:45:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 12:45:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AsO8-0005Tb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:40:00 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AsO7-0005TT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:39:59 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16AsNP-00016W-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:39:15 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AsMG-0007K7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:38:04 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011203123627.00a8ebf8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:39:13 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: Slow Hell font MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, >inspiration. What is the best (most readable - not most beautiful) font for >this mode? >CU in Hell! A nice Gothic Script perhaps? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27606 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 12:42:27 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 12:42:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1056 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 12:42:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 12:42:20 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AsJd-0005SR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:35:21 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AsJb-0005SM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:35:20 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16AsIt-0000jO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:34:35 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AsHj-0007DU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:33:23 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011203115739.00aded78@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:34:29 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: 137k tests/73k on 1/2 Dec MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, I recorded spectrograms around 137.79kHz, between about 1500 and 1900 on 1st December, but no identifiable signals. The part of spectrum ZL6QH was operating in seems pretty clear here apart from the lines straddling 137.790kHz, so would suggest moving down about 0.2Hz for future tests. Congratulations on W4DEX's reception of ZL6QH; I imagine this must be the new distance record on the band. I transmitted on 72.4018kHz from about 2330 until 0700 over the night of 1/2 December - thanks for the reports; I will try to get QRV a bit earlier if possible next time I run the beacon. I worked through the FS figures I measured last week on 73k - it comes out like this: G3AQC 130mW ERP G3LDO 85mW ERP M0BMU 100mW ERP Rugby 73.25kHz 7.5kW ERP Bearing in mind that for all the signals apart from my own, deviation of up to +/-3dB could be expected due to relying on only one field strength measurement, and that I have not attempted to include ground wave losses. So amateur signals are roughly 50dB down compared to the Rugby FSK signal. If the receiver is using about 0.01Hz bandwidth to obtain a few dB SNR (ie a visible QRSS signal), then the FSK should have at least 6dB SNR in 300Hz BW, so be an easily audible signal. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29701 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 12:17:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 12:17:40 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 10817 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 12:17:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 12:17:53 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Arw3-0005OM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:10:59 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Arw1-0005OH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:10:58 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id MAA06314; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:18:56 GMT Received: (qmail 13921 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 13:00:53 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 13:00:53 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id MAA21164; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:34:00 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma021154; Mon, 3 Dec 01 12:33:41 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:14:37 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:09:47 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C655@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE:but fb copy of 80m QRSS QRPpp beacon Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:09:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Actually I WAS transmitting a SMT Hell signal, approx 10Hz above this transmission on Friday night. Signal bandwidth was 2Hz with 2s pixel intervals, but the power was only -3dBm as that is all I could quickly get out of a bare DDS module. (The one used for LF in the past has a 5MHz clock so can only generate up to around 2MHz) Also frequency stability was not up to usual standards as a 100MHz TTL packaged oscillator was the only source I could quickly find to drive the DDS board, so at least a couple of Hz drift. Will try again, possibly next weekend when I have managed to put together a much better clock source and found a few dB of power gain. I have a choice of 4 fonts in my prog for driving the AD9850 DDS module. Three fonts are taken from the DOS BIOS (remember DOS ?) ranging from 10x8 to 16x8 raster and one simple 7x5 font. Andy G4JNT > How about a QRPP HELL revival on 80 meters.. with the PIC driving the DDS to > generate a kind of sequential hell image ? >An interesting idea! I got a good copy of G4JNT's Hell beacon on 136kHz some >time ago. It think it should work well on HF too. The doppler jitter could even improve >readability by smoothing the "pixelization" caused by sequential tones... >I will try to find ZL1BPU's (?) web page about "fuzzy modes" again to get some >inspiration. What is the best (most readable - not most beautiful) font for this mode? >CU in Hell! -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7473 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 11:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 11:32:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26616 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 11:32:58 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 11:32:58 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ArGV-0005Es-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 11:28:03 +0000 Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ArGS-0005El-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 11:28:00 +0000 Received: from goatee.excite.com ([199.172.157.31]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20011203112653.CCIC23434.gigi.excite.com@goatee.excite.com> for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 03:26:53 -0800 Message-ID: <4749216.1007378813448.JavaMail.imail@goatee.excite.com> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 03:26:51 -0800 (PST) From: "john sexton" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Austron 2000 Loran-C RX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender-Ip: 213.104.156.82 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Marco, It's called Chaika (or as you would probably spell it Chajka) Seagull. John, G4CNN _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19899 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 10:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 10:06:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2581 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 10:06:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 10:06:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Apvn-00051Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 10:02:35 +0000 Received: from ewey-rwcmta.excite.com ([198.3.99.191] helo=ewey.excite.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Apvl-00051E-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 10:02:34 +0000 Received: from goatee.excite.com ([199.172.157.31]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20011203100116.BPWY27114.ewey.excite.com@goatee.excite.com> for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 02:01:16 -0800 Message-ID: <2404937.1007373676893.JavaMail.imail@goatee.excite.com> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 02:01:12 -0800 (PST) From: "john sexton" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: ZL6QH Tests MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender-Ip: 213.104.153.73 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Wolf, The observation that noise from a loop increases in the presence of another antenna such as a vertical increases has been discussed before on the reflector, (presumably coupling of noise picked up by the vertical) but the effect on the bearing of the null is new and at first sight surprising (especially the magnitude). I have not seen this discussed before on the reflector, but then again there are antennas which combine a vertical and a loop to produce special effects, so perhaps it is predictable. 73, John, G4CNN _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20680 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 09:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 09:54:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 5455 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 09:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 09:54:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ApfI-0004w4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:45:32 +0000 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.19]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ApfH-0004vz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:45:31 +0000 Received: from modem-36.amrod.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.105.164] helo=g3aqc) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16ApeX-000802-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:44:46 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c17bdf$30522da0$a469883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. The Virus Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:42:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, I have been off the reflector because I caught the dreaded virus ! It slipped past Norton and I did'nt open any attachments. Clever that one. Appologies to anyone expecting mail from me, all is well now. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5173 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 09:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 09:04:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 18086 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 09:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 09:04:46 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AoxF-0004mi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:00:01 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AoxE-0004mG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:00:01 +0000 Received: from [213.122.100.12] (helo=dave) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16AowX-0000FQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 08:59:17 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c17bd9$54866ca0$0c647ad5@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <003901c17aa2$79bffb40$8fce28c3@ericadodd> <000b01c17ac3$1ad89ee0$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000901c17ac9$d296d500$e1e086d4@ericadodd> <000e01c17abc$8efa6760$74b21bca@rvernall> Subject: LF: Re: Notes on virus protection Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:48:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Bob Vernall wrote: >Address book with !000 >----------------------------- >The way of having a "duff first address" is to use the address !000. In fact this will do absolutely nothing with the Badtrans virus. It and a lot of the current viruses do not glean their email addresses from your address book - rather they get them from messages in your inbox (you do clear it don't you..) and html files in your cache. Even those viruses which do use the address book will probably only use a selection - yes you MIGHT get a warning, but it will probably have sent all the other mails anyway. Several of the virus sites quote this as a hoax - perhaps not so, but it should be classed as something which does no harm but probably does little good either. The way to stop viruses is (a) to spot them and delete them before they do any harm and (b) keep your virus signatures up to date. If you get to the point of using the above tactics it is already too late when you get the warning, you have been hit! The advice about turning off the preview pane is good, but will still not in this case stop the virus infecting you when you do actually open it if you have not applied the MS patch. And even if you do, if you then click on the attachment or ignore all warning messages you are a fool! 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20194 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 08:57:47 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 08:57:47 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1785 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 08:57:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 08:57:59 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Aopm-0004kp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 08:52:18 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Aopj-0004kk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 08:52:15 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fB38p1xs030214 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:51:01 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20011203094826.4027ccde@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:48:26 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: VIRUS In-reply-to: <3C07D19F.27987532@netscapeonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >The remedy is back to analogue and the man with a backpack tx/rx using >hand sent CW will win in the end. CW is definitely a digital mode, there are only 2 'levels', either key up or key down. The fact that it can be decoded by ear doesn't change that, I once heard a rumour about Russian high speed CW guys (the ones that consider anything below 50WPM als QRS) who claimed to be able to decode 45Bd RTTY by ear. 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13258 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 23:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 23:21:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 8288 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 23:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 23:21:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Afsw-0003YF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 23:18:58 +0000 Received: from tvout.mail.uk.easynet.net ([194.6.96.5]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Afsv-0003YA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 23:18:57 +0000 Received: from ericadodd (tnt-1-153.easynet.co.uk [195.40.206.153]) by tvout.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 37BBC62EA1 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:18:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <00b101c17b88$139e6180$9dca28c3@ericadodd> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <003901c17aa2$79bffb40$8fce28c3@ericadodd> <001d01c17b3e$31e710a0$0300a8c0@charter.net> Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz tonight Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:20:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John said > > I saw a few bits and pieces on Peter and Jim's frequencies, but nothing > identifiable. > > Just a non-scientific observation that HBG was coming in quite clearly at > 2130. > > And a thought -- since my present sunset time is 2115 UTC, there is some > disadvantage in waiting until 2300 to start, as QRN from my west is coming > in by that time. On the other hand, W4DEX's sunset is almost an hour later > at 2209, so your pre-2200 "audience" would be limited. I am transmitting on 72.4005 at the moment. I was not going to do so because it had been raining steadily for several hours and this tends to reduce the erp due to (I think) dielectric losses. However I managed to get 3.5 amps into the antenna in spite of everything including the coil plastic cover being soaked. Perhaps the RF will dry it off - steam radio! I will close the transmitter down before I turn in if I din't get any e-mails to say someone is looking. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8791 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 23:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 23:10:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 273 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 23:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 23:10:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Afgz-0003Vn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 23:06:37 +0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.129]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Afgx-0003Vi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 23:06:36 +0000 Received: from rvernall ([202.27.178.116]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20011202230519.CBHM1031.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@rvernall> for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:05:19 +1300 Message-ID: <000e01c17abc$8efa6760$74b21bca@rvernall> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <003901c17aa2$79bffb40$8fce28c3@ericadodd> <000b01c17ac3$1ad89ee0$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000901c17ac9$d296d500$e1e086d4@ericadodd> Subject: LF: Notes on virus protection Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:59:25 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: NOTES ON PC VIRUS PROTECTION PC viruses are a damn nuisance. Virus protection software is highly recommended, but it still has an archilles heal if a new virus appears (with code not recognised by an existing virus definition). For those using Internet Explorer a couple of tips to maximise protection and also stop it being passed to others are as follows: Do not use the "preview pane" ------------------------------------ The likes of the Badtrans virus exploits the weakness that merely having a preview of a received email is sufficient for the virus to enter the PC. If all email reading is under the control of the recipient, then the recipient is free to scrutine received items and delete any they are not happy with. Under the VIEW menu, select the LAYOUT option, and that will bring up a window that includes the "preview pane" in the lower half of the window. He first item in the preview pane is a box for "show preview pane" and it is "off" when the X is not showing. Click the box so the X is not there, then "apply", and when you go back to the main page, there will be no preview pane. This means that all email viewing is under manual selection. Address book with !000 ----------------------------- Apparently the virus goes to the address book to find victim recipients, to try and spread the virus to others by phoney email messages. If the first entry in the address list is incomplete, then the PC user is given a message asking for more address information, and that is a warning to the user that something more is going on than was asked for, the request for information can be declined, and instead virus checking becomes the next action point! The way of having a "duff first address" is to use the address !000. To do that, click on CONTACTS (lower left hand side of the main screen), then click on NEW CONTACTS to bring up the window for entering address details. Use only the surname box, and type in !000 (use zero, not the letter O) and when that is applied, the result can be checked for !000 being at the top of the address list. Bob Vernall (has been bitten by the Badtrans virus) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20441 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 22:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 22:03:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 9900 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 22:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 22:04:22 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Aeg4-0003Nb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 22:01:36 +0000 Received: from tvout.mail.uk.easynet.net ([194.6.96.5]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Aeg3-0003NW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 22:01:35 +0000 Received: from ericadodd (tnt-3-157.easynet.co.uk [195.40.202.157]) by tvout.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 702576427E for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:00:49 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000201c17b7d$438b0fc0$9dca28c3@ericadodd> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200112021031.fB2AVqV23863@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 73kHz tonight Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:04:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Ko Versteeg said > Peter, Laurie, Jim... > All copied fine, > > MOBMU -57.9dB > G3AQC -54.2dB > G3LDO -53.9dB > > Attachments are 2 images from last night Thank you very much for your reports Ko - very much appreciated. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8989 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 20:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 20:43:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25873 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 20:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 20:43:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AdOK-0003BH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 20:39:12 +0000 Received: from mail-3.tiscalinet.it ([195.130.225.149] helo=mail.tiscalinet.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AdOJ-0003BC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 20:39:11 +0000 Received: from ath650.tiscalinet.it (62.10.39.38) by mail.tiscalinet.it (5.5.053) id 3C0499C00052C2F4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:37:55 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011202213357.04a12400@pop.tiscalinet.it> X-Sender: spin.elec@pop.tiscalinet.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 21:37:50 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Marco Bruno IK1ODO" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Austron 2000 Loran-C RX In-reply-to: <009101c17b67$1f14cf70$0400000a@parissn2> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <003901c17aa2$79bffb40$8fce28c3@ericadodd> <000b01c17ac3$1ad89ee0$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000901c17ac9$d296d500$e1e086d4@ericadodd> <009b01c17b1c$611d5ea0$b70d97d4@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 20.25 02/12/01, you wrote: >Hi Johan and all, > >I would think that you should be able to lock your Austron to this chain: > >GRI and Chain Name Station Latitude / Longitude Emission / Coding Delay >Power in Kilowatts >8000 WESTERN RUSSIAN > >Master / Bryansk >053° 07' 50.600" N >034° 54' 44.800" E > >1150 > Oh, yes, I forgot the Russian system! Johan should be quite close to one of the TX in the north; for me in Italy the signals were too unreliable. How is the Russian system called? Chaknia or something like that? (sorry for the BW, but Loran C, apart beeing a nuisance for 137 kHz, was such a beautiful localization and timing system. And less jammable than GPS!) 73 - Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7657 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 20:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 20:09:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 8804 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 20:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 20:09:37 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Acrx-00036i-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 20:05:45 +0000 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.132]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Acrw-00036c-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 20:05:44 +0000 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.178.160]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20011202200426.VIJD13078.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:04:26 +1300 Message-ID: <00c801c17b6d$04ced4c0$4eb51bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5255163.1007287867520.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> Subject: Re: LF: ZL DX Tests 1 Dec Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:51:59 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John G4CNN, Regarding your comments: > One thing has become very clear, this sort of experiment requires good preparation, and a familiarity with the very small bit of the band that one is monitoring, which at 120 second dots is only 1.3 Hz wide and includes no Loran lines. So you either need a very accurate frequency standard or have got to know what is where on the band. ZL6QH will be having another all night transmission on 15 December. We do not want to compete with any known QRM, so I am open to suggestions as to selection of optimum test frequencies. Also I can arrange for FSK down to 0.1 Hz but I did not change from what was first notified by bulletin as it could have caused confusion with self-analysis of what was captured. The recently arranged loading coil at ZL6QH is light on inductance, so I will provisionally say that any new frequency needs to be within 500 Hz of the upper band edge. The frequencies can be set to "anything" as I use computer generated tones (VFSKCW software developed by Steve VK2ZTO) and an SSB exciter directly at LF (modified TS-850SAT for LF tx, and with a very good TCXO). I have not seen Loran lines down this way, so I do not know what spacing they have, but it strikes me that the ZL6QH frequency shift should be arranged to have a "half spacing" relationship with Loran lines, so even if one ZL6QH tone is covered by QRM, the other would be as clear as it could be (for Argo display). So I'm open to suggestions on centre frequency and frequency shift for the next test from ZL6QH on 15 December. 73, Bob From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11780 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 19:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 19:35:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 22226 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 19:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 19:35:31 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AcG0-0002zy-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:26:32 +0000 Received: from sun4.scgroup.com ([192.55.122.7]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AcFy-0002zt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:26:30 +0000 Received: from parissn2 (AMontsouris-101-1-3-195.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.252.108.195]) by sun4.scgroup.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA04303 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:25:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <009101c17b67$1f14cf70$0400000a@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <003901c17aa2$79bffb40$8fce28c3@ericadodd> <000b01c17ac3$1ad89ee0$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000901c17ac9$d296d500$e1e086d4@ericadodd> <009b01c17b1c$611d5ea0$b70d97d4@oemcomputer> Subject: LF: Re: Austron 2000 Loran-C RX Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:25:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Johan and all,
 
I would think that you should be able to lock your Austron to this chain:
 
GRI and Chain Name Station Latitude / Longitude Emission / Coding Delay Power in Kilowatts
 
Master / Bryansk
053° 07' 50.600" N
034° 54' 44.800" E
 
1150
 
Whiskey / Petrozavodsk
061° 45' 32.400" N
033° 41' 40.400" E
13,217.21
10,000.00
1150
 
Xray / Slonim
053° 07' 55.200" N
025° 23' 46.000" E
27,125.00
25,000.00
1150
 
Yankee / Simferopol
044° 53' 20.600" N
033° 52' 32.100" E
53,070.25
50,000.00
1150
 
Zulu / Syzran [Karachev]
053° 17' 17.600" N
048° 06' 53.400" E
67,941.60
65,000.00
1150
 
Some others may also be possible.  Unfortunately, the wonderful table of chain information
has been removed from the Megapulse site.  I got the above from a cached copy on Google.
first hit.
 
73,
 
Stewart
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22176 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 19:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 19:09:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 4224 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 19:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 19:09:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AbtN-0002w6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:03:09 +0000 Received: from fep02.swip.net ([130.244.199.130] helo=fep02-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AbtM-0002w1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:03:08 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([212.151.10.23]) by fep02-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20011202190224.LAGF11062.fep02-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:02:24 +0100 Message-ID: <002d01c17b63$e89bfc00$170a97d4@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <003901c17aa2$79bffb40$8fce28c3@ericadodd> <000b01c17ac3$1ad89ee0$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000901c17ac9$d296d500$e1e086d4@ericadodd> <5.0.2.1.2.20011202115927.009efb60@mail.pncl.co.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20011202181829.01e0c8a0@pop.tiscalinet.it> Subject: Re: LF: Austron 2000 Loran-C RX Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:02:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thanks for the nice comments Marco. Instead of preventing my receivers from drifting, the Austron 2000C will now prevent my fishing boat from drifting. No big difference. I wonder if the design engineers at Austron ever thought of this dual-purpose potential back in the seventies.. :-) > But it's a pity, seeing the unit in operation, quietly locked to the > third rising edge of the Loran pulse, and seeing all the garbage > on the channel, and the propagation changing from hour to hour... I wish I had seen that... > Well, it should be very easy to produce an artificial Loran pulse, > with all the coding and the phase reversals... you may think about > using the output of the Shera box to clock the Loran simulator... ;-))) Haha!!! Yes, I will think about it but I will never ever try to do it, life is too short to spend half of it creating a "GPS based local in-shack Loran system"... 73 Johan, SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29689 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 17:34:14 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 17:34:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24404 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 17:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 17:34:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AaRh-0002hb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 17:30:29 +0000 Received: from mail-4.tiscalinet.it ([195.130.225.150] helo=mail.tiscalinet.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AaRg-0002h9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 17:30:28 +0000 Received: from ath650.tiscalinet.it (62.10.35.95) by mail.tiscalinet.it (5.5.053) id 3C04C1100026EF36 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:29:13 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011202181829.01e0c8a0@pop.tiscalinet.it> X-Sender: spin.elec@pop.tiscalinet.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 18:29:03 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Marco Bruno IK1ODO" Subject: Re: LF: Austron 2000 Loran-C RX In-reply-to: <005001c17b48$b9010c80$e50c97d4@oemcomputer> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <003901c17aa2$79bffb40$8fce28c3@ericadodd> <000b01c17ac3$1ad89ee0$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000901c17ac9$d296d500$e1e086d4@ericadodd> <5.0.2.1.2.20011202115927.009efb60@mail.pncl.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 16.47 02/12/01, you wrote: >Walter, Marco, > >thanks for the information regarding the Austron 2000C. > >I did not get the manual but, although it is an early 70's design, >there was a test protocol from Austron taped onto the box and >it was dated 1990. When did they change the repetition rate? >Could it be a modified unit? I have yet to open it up and see >what's inside. I used the Lessay chain when they were in pre-operational status, probably in 1995. Then they started the odd-code GRR, and I lost it... it was, I think, 1996 or '97. So probably your unit WAS ok in 1990; ath that time the Northern See chain was a standard 3-digit GRR. >I already have a Brooks Shera style GPS standard, which I am >quite happy with, so I don't mind if this box turns out to be a true >piece of junk. It could be put to good use as a boat anchor (literally!) >for fishing in a nearby lake, or I could use the cabinet for some >new project, hihi... I understand, having paid it $10... there is nothing useful in the unit, except for a lot of switches and a ton of TTL. But it's a pity, seeing the unit in operation, quietly locked to the third rising edge of the Loran pulse, and seeing all the garbage on the channel, and the propagation changing from hour to hour... it was really fun, I kept it in operation for months, and was really disappointed when they changed the GRR. > >It's not an easy unit to operate... you need: > >- a stable reference oscillator, 1, 5 or 10 MHz > >- a stripchart recorder (or two, better) > >- an oscilloscope (if possible a storage one, I used a Tek 7633) > >- a Loran loop antenna (not E-field!!! it works, but the jitter is worse) > >- an old-style Loran chain (not NELS, HI) > >- time and patience to undestand operation... > >I have all of the above except an old-style Loran chain :-) Well, it should be very easy to produce an artificial Loran pulse, with all the coding and the phase reversals... you may think about using the output of the Shera box to clock the Loran simulator... ;-))) 73 - Marco From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18365 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 16:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 16:06:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 22460 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 16:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 16:06:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AZ6W-0002WS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 16:04:32 +0000 Received: from fep03.swip.net ([130.244.199.131] helo=fep03-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AZ6V-0002WN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 16:04:31 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([212.151.12.229]) by fep03-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20011202160348.KNGQ15944.fep03-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:03:48 +0100 Message-ID: <006001c17b4a$f510cd80$e50c97d4@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <85.13ee2d1d.293a8d43@aol.com> Subject: LF: Re: nothing from ZL, but fb copy of 80m QRSS QRPpp beacon Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:03:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Wolf and All Thanks for the report! > Ten milliwatts are more than enough for 700km on 80 meters, or -in other > words- [QRSS "MICRO" picture] - power gave solid copy. A picture says more than a thousand words! (or was it bytes?) Why do people build power amplifiers when they can build attenuators? > How about a QRPP HELL revival on 80 meters.. with the PIC driving the DDS to > generate a kind of sequential hell image ? An interesting idea! I got a good copy of G4JNT's Hell beacon on 136kHz some time ago. It think it should work well on HF too. The doppler jitter could even improve readability by smoothing the "pixelization" caused by sequential tones... I will try to find ZL1BPU's (?) web page about "fuzzy modes" again to get some inspiration. What is the best (most readable - not most beautiful) font for this mode? CU in Hell! 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6211 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 15:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 15:51:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 13115 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 15:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 15:51:37 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AYr3-0002SK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 15:48:33 +0000 Received: from fep02.swip.net ([130.244.199.130] helo=fep02-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AYr2-0002SF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 15:48:32 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([212.151.12.229]) by fep02-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20011202154747.JXII11062.fep02-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:47:47 +0100 Message-ID: <005001c17b48$b9010c80$e50c97d4@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <003901c17aa2$79bffb40$8fce28c3@ericadodd> <000b01c17ac3$1ad89ee0$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000901c17ac9$d296d500$e1e086d4@ericadodd> <5.0.2.1.2.20011202115927.009efb60@mail.pncl.co.uk> Subject: Re: LF: Austron 2000 Loran-C RX Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:47:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Walter, Marco, thanks for the information regarding the Austron 2000C. I did not get the manual but, although it is an early 70's design, there was a test protocol from Austron taped onto the box and it was dated 1990. When did they change the repetition rate? Could it be a modified unit? I have yet to open it up and see what's inside. I already have a Brooks Shera style GPS standard, which I am quite happy with, so I don't mind if this box turns out to be a true piece of junk. It could be put to good use as a boat anchor (literally!) for fishing in a nearby lake, or I could use the cabinet for some new project, hihi... >It's not an easy unit to operate... you need: >- a stable reference oscillator, 1, 5 or 10 MHz >- a stripchart recorder (or two, better) >- an oscilloscope (if possible a storage one, I used a Tek 7633) >- a Loran loop antenna (not E-field!!! it works, but the jitter is worse) >- an old-style Loran chain (not NELS, HI) >- time and patience to undestand operation... I have all of the above except an old-style Loran chain :-) 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11867 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 14:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 14:36:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 26663 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 14:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 14:36:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AXgR-0002Iy-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:33:31 +0000 Received: from dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.14] helo=dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AXgQ-0002It-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:33:30 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 1491698 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 09:39:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c17b3e$31e710a0$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <003901c17aa2$79bffb40$8fce28c3@ericadodd> Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz tonight Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:32:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: No further positive results on 73 kHz last night. It appeared that Laurie started transmitting around 2200. The "3AQ" was decipherable. After that, the signal deteriorated, and there were no further peaks observable, though some DFCW fragments could be seen for a couple of hours. I saw a few bits and pieces on Peter and Jim's frequencies, but nothing identifiable. Just a non-scientific observation that HBG was coming in quite clearly at 2130. And a thought -- since my present sunset time is 2115 UTC, there is some disadvantage in waiting until 2300 to start, as QRN from my west is coming in by that time. On the other hand, W4DEX's sunset is almost an hour later at 2209, so your pre-2200 "audience" would be limited. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26528 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 13:19:00 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 13:19:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5797 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 13:19:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 13:19:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AWU8-00029p-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 13:16:44 +0000 Received: from smtp2.libero.it ([193.70.192.52]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AWU7-00029k-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 13:16:43 +0000 Received: from ath650.libero.it (151.25.154.84) by smtp2.libero.it (6.0.032) id 3BEFF16100748383 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:15:56 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011202141433.03f14d80@popmail.libero.it> X-Sender: IK1ODO@popmail.libero.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:15:36 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Marco Bruno" Subject: LF: Re: [Lowfer] Austron 2000 Loran-C RX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 11.30 02/12/01, Johan wrote: >Hi All > >Yesterday, I bought an Austron model 2000C Loran-C receiver >for about $10 on an electronic junk auction. I also got an Austron >model 2082 Loran-C TRF receiver. The 2082 seems to be some >kind of preselector with adjustable peak and notch filters. > >Does anyone know where I can find information on how to operate >the 2000C? > >73 >Johan SM6LKM Hi Johan, yes, I have it. I will be happy to make a copy for you. Please give me your address. It's not an easy unit to operate... you need: - a stable reference oscillator, 1, 5 or 10 MHz - a stripchart recorder (or two, better) - an oscilloscope (if possible a storage one, I used a Tek 7633) - a Loran loop antenna (not E-field!!! it works, but the jitter is worse) - an old-style Loran chain (not NELS, HI) - time and patience to undestand operation... The 2000C has a 3-digit GRR code, the NELS has added a digit... so you can't sync on it. I tried to modify the logic to lock on Lessay but without success, the timing logic is very complex and simply adding a counter isn't enough. So I will send you the schematic and operating manual, obtained from Austron a few years ago. If you are able to modify it, PLEASE LET ME KNOW! I have two units on the shelf... one paid $700... when the Mediterranean chain was operating I was able to use the 2000C to zero-beat an HP 5061A cesium to +/- 2 parts in 10^-12. Not so bad. Vy 73's - Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7014 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 12:30:07 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 12:30:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28476 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 12:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 12:30:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AVi3-00022j-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:27:03 +0000 Received: from k2.pncl.co.uk ([212.35.226.183]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AVi2-00022e-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:27:02 +0000 Received: from blanch.pncl.co.uk (228.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk [212.35.234.228]) by k2.pncl.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2CQIj01253 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:26:20 GMT Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20011202115927.009efb60@mail.pncl.co.uk> X-Sender: blanch@mail.pncl.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:24:02 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Walter Blanchard" Subject: Re: LF: Austron 2000 Loran-C RX In-reply-to: <009b01c17b1c$611d5ea0$b70d97d4@oemcomputer> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <003901c17aa2$79bffb40$8fce28c3@ericadodd> <000b01c17ac3$1ad89ee0$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000901c17ac9$d296d500$e1e086d4@ericadodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 11:30 02/12/01 Sunday +0100, you wrote: >Hi All > >Yesterday, I bought an Austron model 2000C Loran-C receiver >for about $10 on an electronic junk auction. I also got an Austron >model 2082 Loran-C TRF receiver. The 2082 seems to be some >kind of preselector with adjustable peak and notch filters. > >Does anyone know where I can find information on how to operate >the 2000C? > >73 >Johan SM6LKM They used to cost about $10,000! It's a 1970's design but not a navigation receiver - it's a time transfer receiver designed to get time from Loran-C and output it on a data line. Regrettably not much use now because it was set up for the old Loran repetition rates and they've all changed. It was a hardware set-up as far as I can remember so no chance of re-programming. I expect that's why it was junked. Quite a few observatories used them - if you really want data you might try Uppsala Univ who were users in the 70's - or the Navy, for information. Austron themselves, a U.S. company, no longer exist. Their main business was making very nice highly accurate reference oscillators - I have several of their 5 MHz double proportional oven units. There may be one of them inside the unit - if so it'll be a grey metal sealed box, probably type 1120, and very nice as a frequency reference. I can send you full details if there is. The 2082 was as you say a front-end set of reject notch filters to get rid of Decca and other LF interference. Can't think of much use for them now. Even if you dug out the 100 kHz front-end you would probably have to change all the pot-cores to get it on 136 to use as a pre-amplifier. As a pure Loran receiver it's useless. Sorry about that! Walter G3JKV. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15363 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 10:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 10:40:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29573 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 10:40:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 10:40:22 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ATvU-0001o7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 10:32:48 +0000 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.136] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ATvR-0001o2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 10:32:45 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p0997.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.202.234]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB2AVqV23863 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:31:52 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200112021031.fB2AVqV23863@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:31:55 +0100 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 73kHz tonight X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] X-FoxAttach: E:\Brander\Hamradio\136-73\Images\Evmdop\cq73.gif, E:\Brander\Hamradio\136-73\Images\Evmdop\cq73v.gif MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020303050109090307060503" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020303050109090307060503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Would appreciate frequency check if anyone is listening - the DDS unit is in >the cold outside shack. > >Regards, >Peter, G3LDO -------------- Peter, Laurie, Jim... 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with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 10:37:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 28103 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 10:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 10:37:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ATts-0001nx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 10:31:08 +0000 Received: from fep01.swip.net ([130.244.199.129] helo=fep01-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ATtr-0001ns-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 10:31:07 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([212.151.13.183]) by fep01-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20011202103022.IXTJ15194.fep01-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer>; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:30:22 +0100 Message-ID: <009b01c17b1c$611d5ea0$b70d97d4@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@qth.net References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <003901c17aa2$79bffb40$8fce28c3@ericadodd> <000b01c17ac3$1ad89ee0$0300a8c0@charter.net> <000901c17ac9$d296d500$e1e086d4@ericadodd> Subject: LF: Austron 2000 Loran-C RX Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:30:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All Yesterday, I bought an Austron model 2000C Loran-C receiver for about $10 on an electronic junk auction. I also got an Austron model 2082 Loran-C TRF receiver. The 2082 seems to be some kind of preselector with adjustable peak and notch filters. Does anyone know where I can find information on how to operate the 2000C? 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 381 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 10:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 10:20:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19217 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 10:20:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 10:20:28 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ATbj-0001lQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 10:12:23 +0000 Received: from [204.202.140.198] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ATbi-0001lL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 10:12:22 +0000 Received: from gomailjtp05 ([10.212.0.165]) by mta06.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0GNP002CZOAG32@mta06.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 02:11:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 02:11:07 -0800 (PST) From: "John Sexton" Subject: Re: LF: ZL DX Tests 1 Dec To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <5255163.1007287867520.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, Congrats to W4DEX for his success. I continued monitoring with Argo using 120 second dots until 20.30 on saturday the 1st, so well after local dusk, but saw nothing identifiable as from ZL. The double twisted lines at 137789.90 and 137790.05 became quite strong for an hour and a half from 18.00 till 19.30 and then faded rather abruptly although remaining visible. With a knowledge of the message, it was clear that the apparent dashes amongst these highly distorted lines were not from ZL6QH. One thing has become very clear, this sort of experiment requires good preparation, and a familiarity with the very small bit of the band that one is monitoring, which at 120 second dots is only 1.3 Hz wide and includes no Loran lines. So you either need a very accurate frequency standard or have got to know what is where on the band. 73, John, G4CNN ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28058 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 00:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 00:40:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 17527 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 00:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 00:40:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AKd9-0000jk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 00:37:15 +0000 Received: from latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net ([195.40.1.40]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AKd8-0000jf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 00:37:14 +0000 Received: from ericadodd (tnt-18-225.easynet.co.uk [212.134.224.225]) by latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0256D53805 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:36:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000901c17ac9$d296d500$e1e086d4@ericadodd> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <003901c17aa2$79bffb40$8fce28c3@ericadodd> <000b01c17ac3$1ad89ee0$0300a8c0@charter.net> Subject: LF: Re: Re: 73kHz tonight Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:38:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John, W1TAG said > Just got back from dinner. Laurie's signal has been in and out -- not great > copy, but it's there. No sign of Jim or Peter thus far, but the night is > young. ...I used to be, too... Didn't we all! Just checked the transmitter in the outside LF transmitting shack before turning in. It is a cold clear night with the outside temperature just above freezing. Plastic sheet covering the outside coils covered in frost except for around the top where it has not formed. Temperature in shack was around 2 degrees at the start of transmission and has now risen to 5degrees now the transmitter has been on for an hour and a half Power down a bit because only running on two modules (had a minor disaster with the third one!). However, the main limitation is PSU so still running 3 amps into the antenna. Would appreciate frequency check if anyone is listening - the DDS unit is in the cold outside shack. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11337 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 23:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 23:56:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 29641 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 23:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 23:56:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AJvn-0000ZO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 23:52:27 +0000 Received: from dc-mx08.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.18] helo=dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AJvm-0000ZJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 23:52:26 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 53154614 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 18:59:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c17ac3$1ad89ee0$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <003901c17aa2$79bffb40$8fce28c3@ericadodd> Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz tonight Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:51:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Just got back from dinner. Laurie's signal has been in and out -- not great copy, but it's there. No sign of Jim or Peter thus far, but the night is young. ...I used to be, too... John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22416 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 20:53:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 20:53:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28373 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 20:53:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 20:53:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AH5m-0000DF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:50:34 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AH5l-0000DA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:50:33 +0000 Received: from ldsas16-80-131-215.cw-visp.com ([212.137.131.215] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16AGvC-000616-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:39:38 +0000 Message-ID: <3C09426C.4F119442@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:49:48 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: PRINTERS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Info about lazer printers. The cartridge that fits HP lazerjet series 4 printers also fits the Apple Lazerwriter Pro. Valves If you need KT66 tubes I have 4 new ones, plus others that could be useful for LF. G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8539 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 20:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 20:52:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15297 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 20:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 20:53:07 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AH5r-0000DM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:50:39 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AH5q-0000DH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:50:39 +0000 Received: from ldsas16-80-131-215.cw-visp.com ([212.137.131.215] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16AGvH-00061Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:39:43 +0000 Message-ID: <3C094272.26170FBC@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:49:54 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: dx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: IK5ZPV calling cq at 2030 z S7 qsx 3573 khz. Big sig Val. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8397 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 20:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 20:52:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28326 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 20:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 20:53:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AH5w-0000DU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:50:44 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AH5u-0000DO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:50:42 +0000 Received: from ldsas16-80-131-215.cw-visp.com ([212.137.131.215] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16AGvM-00061v-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:39:48 +0000 Message-ID: <3C094277.E68A8681@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:49:59 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: VIRUS References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011130185959.00adfa38@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF group, > > At 18:36 30/11/2001 +0000, Mal wrote: > >It is just a matter of time before the whole DIGITAL system grinds all > >of modern communications to a halt. > >The remedy is back to analogue and the man with a backpack tx/rx using > >hand sent CW will win in the end. > > Dot = 1, space = 0, dash = 111 ? It is not dependent on a machine it can be send by hand and read by the brain. The equipment to use cw can be simple and basic. The above DOT,SPACE and DASH logic is only applicable when sent by a machine. Most operators have their own characteristics where dots,spaces and dashes can be anything from perfection to erratic Baghdad morse, which cannot be read or sent by a machine, but works amongst the operators involved. This is basic functional communications and will win in the end, when all the other sophisticated digital generators/receivers and satellites systems are Zapped. G3KEV > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21707 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 20:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 20:01:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 24770 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 20:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 20:01:05 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AGEf-00004T-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:55:41 +0000 Received: from tvout.mail.uk.easynet.net ([194.6.96.5]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AGEd-00004N-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:55:40 +0000 Received: from ericadodd (tnt-1-143.easynet.co.uk [195.40.206.143]) by tvout.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 65299634BB for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:54:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <003901c17aa2$79bffb40$8fce28c3@ericadodd> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz tonight Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:57:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: > Since conditions might be improving, I will try running the 73kHz beacon > again tonight, from around 2300utc onwards. Will be sending QRSS120 on > 72.4018kHz again. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU I will also join the 73kHz party tonight. My frequency will be 72.4005 using QRSS90. Regards, Peter, G3LDO -mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15197 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 19:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 19:51:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21068 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 19:51:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 19:51:20 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AG5J-000039-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:46:01 +0000 Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.106]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AG5G-000034-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:45:58 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.85.13ee2d1d (3866) for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:45:07 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <85.13ee2d1d.293a8d43@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:45:07 EST Subject: LF: nothing from ZL, but fb copy of 80m QRSS QRPpp beacon To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060708090302030905050507" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10504 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060708090302030905050507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Johan and the group,

Ten milliwatts are more than enough for 700km on 80 meters, or -in other words-  

"

" - power gave solid copy.
How about a QRPP HELL revival on 80 meters.. with the PIC driving the DDS to generate a kind of sequential hell image ?

  -...-

Sorry but no reliable traces here from ZL6QH, also in the evening. Just a few gibberish lines on the waterfall amongst a lot of very sharp ones, most likely  Loran.



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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:41:11 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 49326326 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:47:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002501c17aa0$01f56520$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C08DC6F.83A7BBB4@att.net> <3C08FCAD.7B77B310@att.net> <002201c17a9d$d3273220$a8b21bca@xtr743187> Subject: Re: LF: ZL6QH 137.79 KHz as seen in North Carolina Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:40:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Bob, > Thanks for your efforts to receive ZL6QH on LF. We will have to work out > the path length. Just based on grid squares by callbook entries, it's 13,657 km. Not bad. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3727 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 19:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 19:24:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 638 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 19:25:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 19:25:15 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AFii-0008WO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:22:40 +0000 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.131]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AFif-0008WJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:22:38 +0000 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.178.168]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20011201192119.KIBV4439.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 08:21:19 +1300 Message-ID: <002201c17a9d$d3273220$a8b21bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C08DC6F.83A7BBB4@att.net> <3C08FCAD.7B77B310@att.net> Subject: Re: LF: ZL6QH 137.79 KHz as seen in North Carolina Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 08:23:54 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dexter W4DEX, Thanks for your efforts to receive ZL6QH on LF. We will have to work out the path length. For general information to all listensers, I can say that all went well at ZL6QH from a transmission point of view, for all New Zealand hours of darkness. I had a brief outage for 10 minutes, from 0730 UTC, but that was before sunset last evening. I went QRT at 1600 UTC, an hour after local sunrise. For information on coding and absolute time, the timing of each Q was within 35 seconds of starting on the hour and every ten minutes after each hour. I also consider my TCXO master oscillator controlled LF frequencies held within 0.1 Hz of declared. I had a two-way QSO on 40 metres with Steve VE7SL, but he got nil on LF, so ZL6QH did not depart from the 120 second dot length all night. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23204 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 18:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 18:50:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 5665 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 18:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 18:51:05 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AFBo-0008RI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 18:48:40 +0000 Received: from dc-mx08.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.18] helo=dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AFBn-0008RD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 18:48:39 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 53081155 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:55:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c17a98$aaf3b300$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c17a92$ec013300$92c0883e@g3aqc> Subject: LF: Re: Re.ZL6QH and Beacon Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:47:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie & Jim > Nothing seen here on 137.790,it was a bit of a long shot I guess. > I will run my 73kHz beacon tonight from 2200utc DFCW120 on 72,401.2/3. Will be watching... John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11127 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 18:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 18:30:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 2169 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 18:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 18:10:25 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AEXd-0008Mv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 18:07:09 +0000 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.19]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AEXb-0008Mq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 18:07:08 +0000 Received: from modem-146.elurin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.192.146] helo=g3aqc) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16AEWq-0001dV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 18:06:20 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c17a92$ec013300$92c0883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re.ZL6QH and Beacon Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:05:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Nothing seen here on 137.790,it was a bit of a long shot I guess. I will run my 73kHz beacon tonight from 2200utc DFCW120 on 72,401.2/3. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7573 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 16:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 16:43:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 24287 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 16:43:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 16:43:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AD6C-0008CG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 16:34:44 +0000 Received: from dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.14] helo=dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AD6B-0008CA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 16:34:43 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 1193338 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 11:40:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c17a85$f511ad60$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C08DC6F.83A7BBB4@att.net> <004e01c17a7a$edfdb330$0400000a@parissn2> Subject: LF: Re: Re: ZL6QH 137.79 KHz as seen in North Carolina Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:33:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Stewart, > Congratulations on receiving ZL6QH! I didn't realize that they > were sending so fast. Is this a record for this speed? First, congratulations to Dex on this accomplishment! Second, the apparent speed comes from the ARGO 120 sec/dot screen. I was also running the 120 screen, and got a fragment http://webpages.charter.net/wi1tag/q.jpg -just to the left of center) of the transmission, but not enough to verify. In retrospect, the 90 sec/dot screen would have been better, giving longer characters and less vertical space between dots and dashes. Anyway, Dex's Electrolux Loop clearly beat my Hoover this time. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19240 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 16:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 16:02:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22470 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 16:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 16:02:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ACRe-00086q-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 15:52:50 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ACRc-00086l-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 15:52:49 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 10:52:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3C08FCAD.7B77B310@att.net> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 10:52:13 -0500 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" Organization: JDM Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: ZL6QH 137.79 KHz as seen in North Carolina References: <3C08DC6F.83A7BBB4@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I have uploaded two more screen shots from last night if anyone would like to analyze the times of reception. http://www.qsl.net/w4dex/ZL6QHb1Dec01.jpg http://www.qsl.net/w4dex/ZL6QHc1Dec01.jpg If I counted correctly the best signal was around 0930 UTC (Argo time is UTC -5). Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote: > > http://www.qsl.net/w4dex/ZL6QHa1Dec01.jpg > > Looks like .4 Hz DFCW to me. Time on Argo is EST (-5 UTC). I > calibrated for 0 Hz on Argo scale to represent 137.790 kHz when I set up > about 0400 UTC. I just checked calibration at 1300 UTC and found the > calibration to be off by .09 Hz. Looks like the captured DFCW signal > shows close to .1 Hz high. > > Dexter, W4DEX > > electrolux From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9485 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 15:25:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 15:25:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 27496 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 15:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 15:25:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ABrk-00081w-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 15:15:44 +0000 Received: from sun4.scgroup.com ([192.55.122.7]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ABrj-00081r-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 15:15:43 +0000 Received: from parissn2 (AMontsouris-101-1-3-195.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.252.108.195]) by sun4.scgroup.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA01731 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 07:14:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004e01c17a7a$edfdb330$0400000a@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C08DC6F.83A7BBB4@att.net> Subject: LF: Re: ZL6QH 137.79 KHz as seen in North Carolina Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:14:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Dexter, Congratulations on receiving ZL6QH! I didn't realize that they were sending so fast. Is this a record for this speed? 73, Stewart > http://www.qsl.net/w4dex/ZL6QHa1Dec01.jpg > > Looks like .4 Hz DFCW to me. Time on Argo is EST (-5 UTC). I > calibrated for 0 Hz on Argo scale to represent 137.790 kHz when I set up > about 0400 UTC. I just checked calibration at 1300 UTC and found the > calibration to be off by .09 Hz. Looks like the captured DFCW signal > shows close to .1 Hz high. > > Dexter, W4DEX > > electrolux From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16818 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 15:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 15:18:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22929 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 15:19:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 15:19:13 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ABkd-00080z-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 15:08:23 +0000 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ABka-00080u-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 15:08:21 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.105.d3e480b (3936) for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:06:53 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <105.d3e480b.293a4c0d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:06:53 EST Subject: LF: ZL6QH Tests To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10504 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Group,

also no copy from ZLhere yet.. but a technical question:
Is the transmission from ZL6QH "coherent" over a long period of time, or in other words: Does the phase of the dash & dot frequency return to the original value (like switching between two highly stable oscillators) ?

If so, does it make sense to use an *extra large* frequency resolution to get a few more dB's FFT gain (of course losing the keying information), or will the long path between ZL and EU produce a 'smearing' effect making an FFT bandwith of less than 10mHz useless ?


Re Jim's post :

I also use two different antennas for RX, the 200m LOW wire and a small loop, and -at first- found no significant difference.
Later, listening to OK1DTN, I played a bit with the manually rotatable loop and found the minimum bearing was about 45 degrees off where it should be. The long wire was not connected to the RX, but only to the tuner (still resonant on 136kHz).
When I disconnected the long wire from the tuner, the noise from the loop fell significantly, and the bearing for OK1DTN was correct. The loop was about 15 meters away from the wire, looks as if that wasn't enough !

Good luck to all,

73 Wolf  DL4YHF (now back to DF0WD)




From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14785 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 14:12:09 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 14:12:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22699 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 14:12:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 14:12:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AAqg-0007v9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:10:34 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AAqf-0007v4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:10:33 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16AApy-00001x-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:09:50 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AAoo-0007MB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:08:39 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201140328.00a93468@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:09:42 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: 73kHz tonight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Since conditions might be improving, I will try running the 73kHz beacon again tonight, from around 2300utc onwards. Will be sending QRSS120 on 72.4018kHz again. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25974 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 13:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 13:59:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 25902 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 14:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 14:00:03 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AAem-0007qd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:58:16 +0000 Received: from tomts5.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.25] helo=tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AAel-0007qY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:58:15 +0000 Received: from server1 ([216.209.110.47]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20011201135701.DEXX7882.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1> for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:57:01 -0500 Message-ID: <005401c17a70$0d45ab40$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> From: "Larry Kayser" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5996885.1007208502295.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> Subject: Re: LF:ZL DX tests 1 Dec Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:44:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John: > Nothing seen of Larry's signals at 137789.4, but not surprising since loop in wrong direction for Canada. In the daylight here I have just been out and found the broken end of the LF antenna that the ice tore down yesterday. The tower is still covered in ice, but I hope to repair later this week for the 15th tests. Larry VA3LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19245 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 13:56:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 13:56:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13855 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 13:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 13:56:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AAbH-0007qI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:54:39 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AAbG-0007qD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:54:38 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 08:53:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3C08E0FC.6A1CF490@att.net> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 08:54:04 -0500 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" Organization: JDM Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" , "Stewart Nelson" Subject: Re: LF: Re: 75 kHz HBG +50db above noise in NC References: <3C0813D6.28D093B3@att.net> <002501c179fb$f8965b00$0400000a@parissn2> <3C083862.BDD4C79B@att.net> <001201c17a57$519bc130$0400000a@parissn2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Stewart Nelson wrote: > > I was surprised to clearly see both signals in your recording. > > Assuming that your receiver was set to 71750 USB, you can see CFH > peaks at 73563 and 73638. Also Rugby peaks at 73200 and 73300, > about 35 dB weaker. > Stewart, Thanks for your analysis of the recording. My receiver produced a 1850 Hz tone when tuned to the exact frequency. For the recording the frequency display was on 73.6 kHz. Thanks, Dexter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13358 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 13:37:52 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 13:37:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8658 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 13:38:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 13:38:05 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AAJL-0007mS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:36:07 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AAJK-0007mN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:36:06 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16AAId-0007cN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:35:23 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AAHQ-0007AF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:34:08 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011201125439.00a806e8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:35:14 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: ZL6QH tests MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, I recorded spectrograms around 137.790kHz last night through this morning, hoping to catch ZL6QH and VA3LK - nothing seen, however. I was using 2 receivers, one connected to the loop antenna, and one connected to my TX wire, in the hope of improving chances of reception - but there seemed to be little difference between the two. I will be recording again later this afternoon until at least 1700. I would echo John's comments about the two closely spaced lines just either side of 137.790 - When I checked a few days ago, I could not see them, but perhaps it was not late enough at night. If the ZL6QH "dash" frequency is exactly right, it should fall between the two lines, but this would require accuracy of a couple of parts in 10^7. Shifting the frequency up or down a fraction of a hertz would be a safer bet. The double lines fade in and out slowly; at my QTH they weren't really visible by 0700utc. As I recall from last winter, they usually disappear well before dawn, so perhaps not a problem really. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12500 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 13:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 13:37:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4038 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 13:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 13:37:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AAIZ-0007mL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:35:19 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16AAIY-0007mG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:35:18 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 08:34:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3C08DC6F.83A7BBB4@att.net> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 08:34:39 -0500 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" Organization: JDM Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" , "W1TAG" Subject: LF: ZL6QH 137.79 KHz as seen in North Carolina Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: http://www.qsl.net/w4dex/ZL6QHa1Dec01.jpg Looks like .4 Hz DFCW to me. Time on Argo is EST (-5 UTC). I calibrated for 0 Hz on Argo scale to represent 137.790 kHz when I set up about 0400 UTC. I just checked calibration at 1300 UTC and found the calibration to be off by .09 Hz. Looks like the captured DFCW signal shows close to .1 Hz high. Dexter, W4DEX electrolux From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5076 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 12:13:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 12:13:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6037 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 12:13:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 12:13:20 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16A8xR-0007e2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 12:09:25 +0000 Received: from [204.202.140.199] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16A8xI-0007dx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 12:09:16 +0000 Received: from gomailjtp05 ([10.212.0.165]) by mta07.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0GNN0008TZ1UXM@mta07.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 04:08:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 04:08:21 -0800 (PST) From: "John Sexton" Subject: LF:ZL DX tests 1 Dec To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <5996885.1007208502295.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050203050905080807090504" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050203050905080807090504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, I used Argo to record the spectrum around the ZL6QH frequencies last night, but nothing seen of their signals. The pair of "twisters" that we saw last season were very visible at 137789.90 and 137790.05 from 00.00 till 04.00 UT despite the loop being almost at right angles to its direction at that time. Unfortunately this pair of sigs is almost exactly where ZL6QH should be. Each of these signals has a bandwidth of slightly less than 0.1 Hz. Extract from screen capture attached. Also saw fine lines at 137790.80, 137790.35, 139789.48, 139789.40 and 139789.30. None of these are Loran. Nothing seen of Larry's signals at 137789.4, but not surprising since loop in wrong direction for Canada. Monitoring is continuing until at least 18.00, the end of ZL6QH's transmission. Still hopeful that something may be seen after local sunset here. 73, John, G4CNN ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com --------------050203050905080807090504 Content-Type: image/gif; name="zl1.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="zl1.gif" R0lGODlh+QGUALMAAAMIQw4VWwoSaxsjZxIaexwjeiAqfSMsizA4fTM8jzQ7nEBKo1NapV9o wZyn1+Hm9iwAAAAA+QGUAAAE/nCxyVY6pYw9gv8eIIrBCARbQAyrkCFHoiiXFgiEccRy4iOG Domzwel2shlGgIstngvajpcwFAQjVDFjMCB8PpoCSqFInuWayHUBV5lMVYkUKOxmePChG+za 5icdH0MFCVBPCjo6PTQXUzsGBEwDhW4JQI8+TzUDAiWAJioFXTswVlgeREIClKR8Gn4Fkkyj e1YcBHY7GbkEkjcoLlYEcx9wGbozUVUDoSdZAwYyaBMWj06XQUJ0LMgrIVkudooZB189F6RU 6JdAt4IoOZAZtEhuCggIAA/8/f7/AAP2GzUqRahUfDiAIvHMBB0V6nYR83SDFbBWmipAaYRo xil5/hIaiBxZTQqyVxscgrixLcCRBFcESMMzJZ+pPUDSXTlhx9CmC79OxCviAUetPS03cOHD VNWoaWYUHJh1FEMyCWU0kmnAgOsEH+auwZDFQQM9Jrn+gOiA7CQkH7fQ2ms0j0itaWPAfgNh 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11:02:48 +0000 Received: from parissn2 (AMontsouris-101-1-3-195.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.252.108.195]) by sun4.scgroup.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA01208 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 03:01:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001201c17a57$519bc130$0400000a@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C0813D6.28D093B3@att.net> <002501c179fb$f8965b00$0400000a@parissn2> <3C083862.BDD4C79B@att.net> Subject: Re: LF: Re: 75 kHz HBG +50db above noise in NC Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:59:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060707000803050803040202" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060707000803050803040202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Dexter and all, > Yes the 73.6 kHz signal is 75 Hz shift but I don't know about it rate. > Can I determine this by viewing with Cool Edit? I have a one minuet > .wav file, close to 1 MB, I could send you if you want to analyze it. > > I have no problem seeing the 100 Hz shift signal centered on 73.25 kHz > which must be Rugby. That is when the 73.6 blaster isn't running. I was surprised to clearly see both signals in your recording. I took a 2 second segment that was free of static, converted the sample rate to 4 kHz (so the dB scale would be visible in a cropped image without editing the picture), and ran the Frequency Analysis command. Assuming that your receiver was set to 71750 USB, you can see CFH peaks at 73563 and 73638. Also Rugby peaks at 73200 and 73300, about 35 dB weaker. The presence of these discrete lines is a good clue that the shift is equal to (or a multiple of) the data rate. That's because a shift from mark to space and back to mark leaves the carrier in the same phase as it would have, had there been no shift. If the data is random, then exactly 1/4 of the transmitted energy is in each of these lines; the remaining 1/2 fills the occupied bandwidth. So if you can measure the strength of a discrete line, and know the transmitted ERP, you have a quantitative propagation reading. Cool Edit's View->Spectral View command can do a crude FM demodulation of a signal. You can see the shifts of CFH here pretty well. By moving the cursor over a number of bits, one can accurately determine the baud rate. If the signal is RTTY, you can also easily see the pattern of start and stop bits, and know character length as well. 73, Stewart KK7KA --------------060707000803050803040202 Content-Type: image/gif; name="fft.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="fft.gif" R0lGODdhXQFAAfcAAAAAAAAAVQAAqgAA/wAkAAAkVQAkqgAk/wBJAABJVQBJqgBJ/wBtAABt VQBtqgBt/wCSAACSVQCSqgCS/wC2AAC2VQC2qgC2/wDbAADbVQDbqgDb/wD/AAD/VQD/qgD/ /yQAACQAVSQAqiQA/yQkACQkVSQkqiQk/yRJACRJVSRJqiRJ/yRtACRtVSRtqiRt/ySSACSS VSSSqiSS/yS2ACS2VSS2qiS2/yTbACTbVSTbqiTb/yT/ACT/VST/qiT//0kAAEkAVUkAqkkA /0kkAEkkVUkkqkkk/0lJAElJVUlJqklJ/0ltAEltVUltqklt/0mSAEmSVUmSqkmS/0m2AEm2 VUm2qkm2/0nbAEnbVUnbqknb/0n/AEn/VUn/qkn//20AAG0AVW0Aqm0A/20kAG0kVW0kqm0k /21JAG1JVW1Jqm1J/21tAG1tVW1tqm1t/22SAG2SVW2Sqm2S/222AG22VW22qm22/23bAG3b VW3bqm3b/23/AG3/VW3/qm3//5IAAJIAVZIAqpIA/5IkAJIkVZIkqpIk/5JJAJJJVZJJqpJJ /5JtAJJtVZJtqpJt/5KSAJKSVZKSqpKS/5K2AJK2VZK2qpK2/5LbAJLbVZLbqpLb/5L/AJL/ 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--------------060707000803050803040202-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20876 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 03:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 03:26:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17202 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 03:26:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 03:26:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16A0l9-0006rt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 03:24:11 +0000 Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.8]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16A0l8-0006ro-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 03:24:10 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.4f.153b36c9 (4242) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:23:20 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.153b36c9.2939a727@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:23:19 EST Subject: Re: LF: Re: strange message...please check To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In a message dated 11/30/01 4:01:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, dsergeant@connectfree.co.uk writes: << Note also that the email address of the sender is prefixed by an underscore _ so that dsergeant@btinternet.com appears as _dsergeant@btinternet.com. Possibly one could set up a filter using this. >> In a sort of good news/bad news irony. The good news is, the leading underscore is the very fact means this reflector won't forward such messages to us. The bad news is, this virus not only steals names from the infected mailbox, it also steals subject lines...so it can make the message appear at first glance as if it came from a reply to the reflector. The precautions Dave outlined are very sensible. 73, John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2609 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 01:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 01:58:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6307 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 01:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 01:58:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169zN3-0006iR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 01:55:13 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169zN1-0006iM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 01:55:12 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:54:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3C083862.BDD4C79B@att.net> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:54:42 -0500 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" Organization: JDM Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "Stewart Nelson" Subject: Re: LF: Re: 75 kHz HBG +50db above noise in NC References: <3C0813D6.28D093B3@att.net> <002501c179fb$f8965b00$0400000a@parissn2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Stewart Nelson wrote: > > If you mean 50 dB above the noise in CW bandwidth or wider, wow! > HBG's power is "only" 20 kW, see > http://www.metas.ch/en/labors/official-time/hgb/tech_d.html , > so a 200 mW signal would be 50 dB weaker, and likely readable > even with normal CW. Reception would be easy with any sort of QRSS. Stewart, I should have stated my measurement method when I said "50 db above the noise". That was from the Argo screen with the receiver in a 400 hz IF BW mode. Pointing to the signal vs a quite spot on the display. I could clearly hear the pulsed from the 75 kHz signal which I assume is HBG. It sounds just like 60 kHz WWVB. I have been able to see the 75 kHz pluses before but this is the first time I could hear the signal and get Radio Clock to lock up on it. The 73.6 kHz RTTY did stop which was initially keeping Radio Clock from locking on the time signal. > > Also, is the following about the FSK signals correct? > > On about 73.6 kHz is CFH (75 Hz shift and 75 BPS) > and on about 73.3 kHz is Rugby (100 Hz shift and 100 BPS). > Yes the 73.6 kHz signal is 75 Hz shift but I don't know about it rate. Can I determine this by viewing with Cool Edit? I have a one minuet .wav file, close to 1 MB, I could send you if you want to analyze it. I have no problem seeing the 100 Hz shift signal centered on 73.25 kHz which must be Rugby. That is when the 73.6 blaster isn't running. Dexter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3661 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 01:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 01:40:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25553 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 01:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 01:40:07 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169z4s-0006fA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 01:36:26 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169z4r-0006f5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 01:36:25 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:35:41 -0500 Message-ID: <3C0833FB.AD0586B3@att.net> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:35:55 -0500 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" Organization: JDM Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 75 kHz HBG +50db above noise in NC References: <3C0813D6.28D093B3@att.net> <002501c179fb$f8965b00$0400000a@parissn2> <001d01c17a00$82cf58e0$0300a8c0@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John, The 75 Hz RTTY centered on 73.6 kHz is not a continuous transmission. I have heard it every day this week around 2200 UT. It produces a reading of -30 dbm on my selective level meter (tuned loop with preamp) when the normal noise level reads -75 dbm. My assumption that the signal originates from CFH came from this page: http://www.provcomm.net/pages/joe/introvlf.htm#Target If you do not hear it strong we need to find another possible source. Stewart, I have a .wav file of the 73.6 kHz signal. It's one minuet long and is close to 1 mb. Will send it to you if you would like to analyze it. Dexter John Andrews wrote: > > Stewart, > > > Also, is the following about the FSK signals correct? > > On about 73.6 kHz is CFH (75 Hz shift and 75 BPS) > > and on about 73.3 kHz is Rugby (100 Hz shift and 100 BPS). > > I have only seen listings in The Lowdown for CFH being on 73.6. They > certainly haven't been there in the last week, as the signal would be > overpowering here in Massachusetts. > > The center frequency for Rugby is 73.25 as seen here, and the signal is > exactly 100 Hz wide. It is a few dB stronger here tonight than it was at > this UTC time on Tuesday. > > John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4817 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 00:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 00:47:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 17924 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 00:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 00:47:51 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169yIW-0006ZM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:46:28 +0000 Received: from tomts5.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.25] helo=tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169yIV-0006ZG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:46:27 +0000 Received: from server1 ([209.226.189.98]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20011201004512.THUG7882.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1> for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:45:12 -0500 Message-ID: <00e901c17a01$6f79be10$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> From: "Larry Kayser" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C64F@PDW-MAIL-R1> Subject: LF: Hearing not Meteors but Aurora Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:45:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Alan: > I was very convinced I heard it "swoosh" by at the time, > but being a level headed skeptical sort of person, knew it wasn't possible > to have heard the actual meteor entry itself There have been many reports of people hearing Aurora. There have been many people who spoof the idea. It is very common to hear the Aurora, directly under the Aurora, along the south coast of Hudson's Bay at say Bear Island or where I once lived at Great Whale River, Poste de la Baleine. It was so common the local natives never considered it unusual at all, they even had a word for it. Second I read that occasionally those using parabolic mirror reflector microphones for listening for WWII airplanes occasionally where able to co-ordinate optical meteor sightings with aural results. The reference was obscure, but probably could be reproduced with some effort. [Late bit, I saw this reference in an R. V. Jones report, and you already know who he is of course] Larry VA3LK ex VE8PQ, 3C2TQ (1967) amongst many many calls hi. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28186 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 00:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 00:40:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 11447 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 00:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 00:41:08 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169yBl-0006XA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:39:29 +0000 Received: from dc-mx08.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.18] helo=dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169yBk-0006X5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:39:28 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 52809620 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:46:17 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c17a00$82cf58e0$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C0813D6.28D093B3@att.net> <002501c179fb$f8965b00$0400000a@parissn2> Subject: LF: Re: Re: 75 kHz HBG +50db above noise in NC Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:38:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Stewart, > Also, is the following about the FSK signals correct? > On about 73.6 kHz is CFH (75 Hz shift and 75 BPS) > and on about 73.3 kHz is Rugby (100 Hz shift and 100 BPS). I have only seen listings in The Lowdown for CFH being on 73.6. They certainly haven't been there in the last week, as the signal would be overpowering here in Massachusetts. The center frequency for Rugby is 73.25 as seen here, and the signal is exactly 100 Hz wide. It is a few dB stronger here tonight than it was at this UTC time on Tuesday. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23708 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 00:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 00:22:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 27153 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 00:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 00:22:36 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169xte-0006UL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:20:46 +0000 Received: from tomts5.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.25] helo=tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169xtd-0006U8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:20:45 +0000 Received: from server1 ([209.226.189.98]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20011201001928.SSFY7882.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1> for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:19:28 -0500 Message-ID: <00b401c179fd$d744ed70$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> From: "Larry Kayser" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011130180416.00a04510@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <002901c179de$ef936740$5cb21bca@xtr743187> Subject: LF: Re: ZL6QH tests Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:10:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Bob: > It is a fine day here today in Wellington, so there is little doubt that we > will have ZL6QH running on LF from this afternoon. Good Luck to you! I have an inch of ice, bad ice storm again, all antennas down again, will try again for the 15th. Larry VA3LK PS without BadTran virus this time..... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16812 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 00:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 00:18:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 23871 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 00:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 00:18:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169xpo-0006TM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:16:48 +0000 Received: from dc-mx08.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.18] helo=dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169xpn-0006TG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:16:47 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 52800495 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:23:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c179fd$54518540$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C0813D6.28D093B3@att.net> Subject: LF: Re: 75 kHz HBG +50db above noise in NC Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:15:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dex, - > I'm presently watching 75 kHz time signal which is better than 50 db > above the noise in North Carolina. Radio Clock even shows the pluses > but will not lock up because of the 73.6 kHz RTTY signal being 50 db > stronger than HBG. Condx are the best I've seen yet this season. Just saw your post, and can confirm the observation here. The signal is 8 dB better than it was at the beginning of the week. Interesting. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1664 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 00:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 00:10:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 17054 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 00:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 00:10:56 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169xi6-0006RN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:08:50 +0000 Received: from sun4.scgroup.com ([192.55.122.7]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169xi4-0006RI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:08:49 +0000 Received: from parissn2 (AMontsouris-101-1-3-195.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.252.108.195]) by sun4.scgroup.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA29933 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:07:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002501c179fb$f8965b00$0400000a@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C0813D6.28D093B3@att.net> Subject: LF: Re: 75 kHz HBG +50db above noise in NC Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:06:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Dexter and all, > I'm presently watching 75 kHz time signal which is better than 50 db > above the noise in North Carolina. Radio Clock even shows the pluses > but will not lock up because of the 73.6 kHz RTTY signal being 50 db > stronger than HBG. Condx are the best I've seen yet this season. If you mean 50 dB above the noise in CW bandwidth or wider, wow! HBG's power is "only" 20 kW, see http://www.metas.ch/en/labors/official-time/hgb/tech_d.html , so a 200 mW signal would be 50 dB weaker, and likely readable even with normal CW. Reception would be easy with any sort of QRSS. Also, is the following about the FSK signals correct? On about 73.6 kHz is CFH (75 Hz shift and 75 BPS) and on about 73.3 kHz is Rugby (100 Hz shift and 100 BPS). 73, Stewart From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6499 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 23:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 23:58:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9191 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 23:58:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 23:58:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169xVc-0006Jf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:55:56 +0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169xVa-0006Ja-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:55:55 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.141.579e52d (4265) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:54:29 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <141.579e52d.29397634@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:54:28 EST Subject: Re: LF: [off band] 80m QRSS QRPpp beacon on the air To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10504 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Johan,
though I don't have a tall tower (and not even a Mercedes Benz), I heard your 10mW "MICRO" signal on 80 meters signal very clear this evening with 270 Hz filter bandwidth when preparing the LF gear at DF0WD for the ZL tests.
Spectrograms are available if you need some more for your collection...

.. No, i did not transmit in QRSS on 80m, just tuned my very small "magnetic" loop with about 10 watts for a few signals (and giving my callsign), and this must have blown off Uwe's headphones because he seems to have listened on the frequency just that moment....

73 Wolf DL4YHF. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27529 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 23:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 23:25:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4194 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 23:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 23:26:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169wwA-0006G5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:19:18 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169ww9-0006G0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:19:17 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:18:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3C0813D6.28D093B3@att.net> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:18:46 -0500 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" Organization: JDM Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: 75 kHz HBG +50db above noise in NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I'm presently watching 75 kHz time signal which is better than 50 db above the noise in North Carolina. Radio Clock even shows the pluses but will not lock up because of the 73.6 kHz RTTY signal being 50 db stronger than HBG. Condx are the best I've seen yet this season. Dex