From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 499 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 21:17:43 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 21:17:43 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29864 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 21:17:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 21:17:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nngx-0001yn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:00:03 +0100 Received: from galahad.joust.net ([63.108.136.2] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nngv-0001yI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:00:02 +0100 Received: from benny-hill (m4-138-161.joust.net [63.108.138.161]) by galahad.joust.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f8UKuUf08002 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200109302056.f8UKuUf08002@galahad.joust.net> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:56:10 -0400 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Steve Dove" Subject: LF: Rugby X-Mailer: Opera 5.02 build 856a X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Greetings, Just a thought. Can anyone describe to me what Rugby at 73k-ish 'looks' like? Or better yet, have an Argo snapshot? (Might be an idea to have snapshots of 'all the usual suspects' such as this, DCF and CFH (as and when) etc. on a page somewhere for reference, too.) Many thanks, Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15252 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 18:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 18:04:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 14641 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 18:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 18:01:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nkjT-0000F3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:50:27 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.171]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nkjS-0000EW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:50:26 +0100 Received: from modem-24.eldacar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.179.24] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15nkfk-0005W4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:46:36 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c149d8$4d263e00$18b3883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. 73KHz beacon Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:49:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi John and Steve,
Many thanks for listening sorry nothing heard.
Weather pretty stormy here tonight so will give it a miss.
Will try again when conditions improve.
Did anyone hear G0UPU on 136 this morning about 09:00
UTC ? I called but no reply.   73s Laurie.
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10316 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 16:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 16:26:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 8858 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 16:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 16:24:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15njDe-0007n0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:13:30 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15njDd-0007mt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:13:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 22442 invoked by uid 0); 30 Sep 2001 16:09:27 -0000 Received: from b1bd9.pppool.de (HELO dr.nabe) (213.7.27.217) by mail.gmx.net (mp006-rz3) with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 16:09:27 -0000 Message-ID: <003201c149c9$ed240720$d91b07d5@dr.nabe> From: "Reiner Nabe" To: "Reflektor" Subject: LF: A new one Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:06:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi all,
a new one from Berlin is  QRV, DK7SU, -Rainer -I have worked him on Sutarday and Sunday, rst 549 nr Franfurt.
73 ,DL3FDO
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23855 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 15:47:51 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 15:47:51 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13731 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 15:47:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 15:47:38 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15niY3-0007M4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:30:31 +0100 Received: from galahad.joust.net ([63.108.136.2] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15niY1-0007LW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:30:30 +0100 Received: from benny-hill (m4-138-161.joust.net [63.108.138.161]) by galahad.joust.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f8UFQLf04206 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200109301526.f8UFQLf04206@galahad.joust.net> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:26:07 -0400 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Steve Dove" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re.73KHz beacon X-Mailer: Opera 5.02 build 856a X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Laurie, Parked a rig on 71.9215 as well, using a loop that gets WWV on 60kHz very well. Nada, sorry. As John remarked, very noisy. So noisy in fact that except for a good lift at about 0500z even DCF was touch and go, looking at the snapshots. Cheers, Steve 9/30/2001 7:12:43 AM, "John Andrews" wrote: >Laurie, et al: > >Negative copy on 71.9215 kHz Saturday night / Sunday morning. Very noisy >here after sunset -- storms off the coast, I believe. The temp did get down >to +4 overnight, so we're at least headed toward better conditions. > >John Andrews, W1TAG > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7647 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 14:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 14:28:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 15405 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 14:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 14:28:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nhJr-0006dd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:11:47 +0100 Received: from ligarius-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.189]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nhJp-0006dB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:11:46 +0100 Received: from eng-laptop (207-172-225-11.s11.tnt1.pld.me.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.225.11]) by ligarius-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n26500/mtc.v2) with SMTP id KAA17615 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:08:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Re.73KHz beacon Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:12:43 -0400 Message-ID: <01c149b9$f8c32300$0be1accf@eng-laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie, et al: Negative copy on 71.9215 kHz Saturday night / Sunday morning. Very noisy here after sunset -- storms off the coast, I believe. The temp did get down to +4 overnight, so we're at least headed toward better conditions. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11347 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 14:13:49 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 14:13:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14465 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 14:12:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 14:12:39 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nh4L-0006Tn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:55:45 +0100 Received: from mta23-acc.tin.it ([212.216.176.76] helo=fep23-svc.tin.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nh4K-0006Th-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:55:44 +0100 Received: from [212.216.220.77] ([212.216.218.14]) by fep23-svc.tin.it (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with ESMTP id <20010930135203.GIVI27943.fep23-svc.tin.it@[212.216.220.77]> for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:52:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-reply-to: <000101c147a8$fddbc1c0$8176073e@default> References: <000101c147a8$fddbc1c0$8176073e@default> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:52:16 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Flavio Gori N.R.R." Subject: LF: LF and computer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, is there anyone using Macintosh computer to analyse LF data? Thanks, Flavio -- Flavio Gori NASA - INSPIRE Project, Inc. http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry/inspire European Coordinator gori@mail630.gsfc.nasa.gov http://www.loscrittoio.it Edizioni in Rete Internet Based Magazine From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22399 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 10:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 10:42:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 12802 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 10:39:55 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 10:39:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ndjx-0004Rz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:22:29 +0100 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ndjw-0004RU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:22:28 +0100 Received: from ldsas13-77-128-50.cw-visp.com ([212.137.128.50] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 15ndXw-0006EC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:10:04 +0000 Message-ID: <3BB6E350.4D1D3936@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:18:09 +0100 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: variety Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All A good variety of stations this Sunday morn. OH1TN, OK1FIG, worked but lots of other acty EI/DL/G/OZ/OM, a good morning for the dx hunter. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9326 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 10:13:46 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 10:13:46 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26462 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 10:13:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 10:13:32 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ndLk-00049l-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:57:28 +0100 Received: from rhun.esoterica.pt ([195.22.0.26]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ndLj-00049e-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:57:27 +0100 Received: from srv17slx.esoterica.pt (srv17slx.esoterica.pt [195.22.0.47]) by rhun.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8U9rtx21048 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:53:55 +0100 (WEST) Received: from slave2 (por236.esoterica.pt [195.22.5.236]) by srv17slx.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id f8U9rsA05229 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:53:55 +0100 (WET DST) Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010930095403.008fb1a0@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Sender: brian@pop3.esoterica.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:54:03 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" Subject: LF: Activity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I received signals in both the 136KHz and the 73KHz slots during the last 24hrs. 73, Brian 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 811 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 01:40:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 01:40:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24331 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2001 01:40:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 30 Sep 2001 01:40:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nVJG-0007st-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 02:22:22 +0100 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.163]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nVJE-0007sF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 02:22:21 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id l.41.118ad9e9 (16338) for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 21:17:22 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <41.118ad9e9.28e7cca2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 21:17:22 EDT Subject: LF: Dashes on 135.923, DFCW To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, tonight since 23:30 and until 0:30 UT, on 135923.0 Hz I saw 8-minute groups of 1-minute dashes. The groups were separated by 45s intervals. Each dash again consisted of five 8s - 2s on-off dahs, followed by a 10s break. Signal strength was variable, around +4 dBuV/m in heavy QRN. Any claims? Since 23:50, I am sending my callsign on 135922.15 Hz using 0.1 Hz shift DFCW, 60s -15s timing, approximately 80 mW EMRP. 73 de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22142 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2001 15:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2001 15:48:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 8383 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2001 15:48:28 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 29 Sep 2001 15:48:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nLxb-0002Dd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:23:23 +0100 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nLxa-0002D0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:23:22 +0100 Received: from ldsas20-84-135-177.cw-visp.com ([212.137.135.177] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 15nLkm-0006He-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 15:10:08 +0000 Message-ID: <3BB5D869.99D0E891@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 15:19:21 +0100 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: 136 acty Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All A new one for me today OM5CW/Otto also active and worked OM2TW, we worked last year also, OK1FIG worked again, not heard for a while. SM6PXJ also worked. Lots of other EU stns also heard, all worked before. A couple of G stations hrd and GW4ALG was 599 with me and EI0CF 599. This was in spite of vy poor band condx, hvy rain all day and associated QRN. Things are looking up on LF. I am now looking for VE or W also on hand sent CW. 73 de Mal/G3KEV/SCARBOROUGH From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15564 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2001 12:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2001 12:44:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 27462 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2001 12:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 29 Sep 2001 12:42:41 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nJFL-0000Um-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:29:31 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.211]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nJFJ-0000Ug-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:29:29 +0100 Received: from modem-67.brethil.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.143.67] helo=g3aqc) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15nJBt-0003Zc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:25:57 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c148e2$565e1660$438f883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re.73KHz beacon Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:28:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi David and all.
Peter G3LDO has leant me his Decca for a few weeks and
I have re-modified it for 73KHz.This mod. uses additional coils which slide into the existing ones so enabling fine adjustment and are of course easily removable so that the transmitter can be put back to 136 in a few minutes.
On 73KHz  I am getting 4A into my aerial (this requires 950W from the Decca),but it runs very cool.
The vert section of my Ant. is 14.5M high and Eznec gives me a Rres. of 0.018 on 73Khz. So at 4A I have 288mW Rad.Pwr. Field strength tests on 136 ( I hav'nt done any on 73 yet)  indicate a
3db loss. Assuming the same on 73 we have 144mW. However I am a bit confused here after reading Dicks comments on your
marathon tests,in which he mentions 2.62db gain for a monopole. If this is correct then the loss due to the environment is 5.62db not 3db. For the moment I am staying with 144mW which is a little under half of the power I was radiating earlier in the year on 136.,with reasonably good conditions I recon it should get across.
I hope the frequency is clear ,John did not seem to have any problems when he heard me earlier and Jon also recons its OK.
I will beacon again tonight although things appear very disturbed at the moment.
I will also be at Windsor on the Saturday and possibly the Sunday.
73s Laurie.  
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1220 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2001 11:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2001 11:49:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 29003 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2001 11:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 29 Sep 2001 11:47:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nID7-0008RL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:23:09 +0100 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176] helo=protactinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nID5-0008Qo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:23:08 +0100 Received: from [213.122.89.162] (helo=default) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15nI8p-0007G2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:18:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c148d7$f9d2e100$a2597ad5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: Flare stop press Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:12:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: An M2.0 flare peaked at about 1100z this morning (Sat) Cheers de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23691 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2001 11:07:13 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2001 11:07:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 10698 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2001 11:05:06 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 29 Sep 2001 11:05:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nHji-000891-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:52:46 +0100 Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net ([209.247.163.58]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nHjh-00088W-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:52:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 28732 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2001 10:48:50 -0000 Received: from dialup-63.214.101.221.dial1.boston1.level3.net (HELO lazzo) (63.214.101.221) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2001 10:48:50 -0000 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010929064410.010db1a8@pop.netzero.net> X-Sender: w1jhj@pop.netzero.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 06:44:10 -0400 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Jonathan Jesse" Subject: Re: LF: 73KHz Beacon In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 05:21 AM 9/29/01 EDT, you wrote:
>>>>
In a message dated 9/28/01 2:52:37 PM GMT Daylight Time, laurie@g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk writes:


Many thanks to everyone interested in more tests this winter,
Jon W1HJ and John W1TAG have expressed an intrest.
I propose to kick off with a bit of 73KHz beaconing before Alans predicted disturbance occurs so I will run tonight and Saturday night at least. I will announce further tests depending on conditions.
Frequency will be 71,921.5KHz DFCW. shift 0.1Hz up for dashes. Use 60sec dot ARGO. Starting time 2300UTC
for about 6 hours.




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Couldn't listen/watch last night. Will give a go tonight. The freq appears clear here in FN41qw
Thanks,
Jon W1JHJ
>>>>

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12613 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2001 09:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2001 09:40:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12744 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2001 09:40:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 29 Sep 2001 09:40:37 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nGNB-0007JK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:25:25 +0100 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15nGNA-0007JC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:25:24 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id l.cf.c548723 (26119) for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 05:21:18 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 05:21:18 EDT Subject: Re: LF: 73KHz Beacon To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10505 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 9/28/01 2:52:37 PM GMT Daylight Time, laurie@g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk writes:


Many thanks to everyone interested in more tests this winter,
Jon W1HJ and John W1TAG have expressed an intrest.
I propose to kick off with a bit of 73KHz beaconing before Alans predicted disturbance occurs so I will run  tonight and Saturday night at least. I will announce further tests depending on conditions.
Frequency will be 71,921.5KHz  DFCW. shift 0.1Hz up for dashes.  Use 60sec dot ARGO. Starting time  2300UTC
for about 6 hours.





Hello Laurie / Group.

Do you have the Decca running on 73 now Laurie? If so, what is the estimated ERP on that band and do we know what frequencies are clear on the East Coast.

Also have ticket for the Sat night at Windsor.

73

David  G0MRF
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27709 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 18:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 18:34:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 93 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 18:32:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 18:32:49 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15n2Fv-0007ED-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:20:59 +0100 Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.7]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15n2Fu-0007E6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:20:58 +0100 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id l.78.1b674940 (3924) for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:19:40 -0400 (EDT) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <78.1b674940.28e6193c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:19:40 EDT Subject: LF: Deaf Rx ?? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10504 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi all,
just look at   http://oh2aq.kolumbus.com/dxs/137.html .

Looks like Finbar is running real QRO now...

73 Wolf.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29542 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 15:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 15:37:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 27468 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 15:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 15:36:39 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mzUq-0005Rf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:24:12 +0100 Received: from ligarius-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.189]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mzUp-0005Ra-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:24:11 +0100 Received: from comrex (207-172-255-101.s1117.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.255.101]) by ligarius-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n26500/mtc.v2) with SMTP id LAA07397 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003501c14833$781d4280$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c14824$b63602a0$e786883e@g3aqc> Subject: LF: Re: 73KHz Beacon Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:36:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie, I will definitely be listening on 71.9215 kHz on Saturday night/ Sunday morning. This will be from Maine (FN43sv), not my usual Massachusetts (FN42ch) QTH. Can't do anything tonight, however. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3338 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 14:46:25 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 14:46:25 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8825 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 14:45:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 14:45:09 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15myo4-0004zH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:40:00 +0100 Received: from galahad.joust.net ([63.108.136.2] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15myo3-0004zC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:39:59 +0100 Received: from benny-hill (p2-138-029.joust.net [63.108.138.29]) by galahad.joust.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f8SEd9f11780 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200109281439.f8SEd9f11780@galahad.joust.net> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:38:56 -0400 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Steve Dove" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Is anyone there ?? Its warming up.... X-Mailer: Opera 5.02 build 856a X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >Hi Steve >If you could listen out for me on normal cw, slowest speed about 4wpm. Give >me a suitable time and freq on 136 khz and I will fire up in your >direction. I have been heard out in your direction by a /mm >operator some time back. >73 de Mal/G3KEV > Hi Mal, I'd be delighted to give it a try at some point. A few things need to be in place (or in some cases, out of place, like thunderstorms) and I'd need to be seeing the QRSS guys regularly to be sure that conditions are 'up' enough to try. Best times from last year were around 0400z, I'm afraid (one area where the 'puter modes definitely win!). Have ears, have filters. Your best bet would be Jack. He's probably 10 - 20dB 'closer' than I am. 73, Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4203 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 13:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 13:54:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 18036 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 13:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 13:53:46 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15my10-0004PF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:49:18 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.210]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15my0y-0004PA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:49:17 +0100 Received: from modem-103.barahir.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.134.231] helo=g3aqc) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15my0K-0006Q4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:48:36 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c14824$b63602a0$e786883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73KHz Beacon Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:50:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Many thanks to everyone interested in more tests this winter,
Jon W1HJ and John W1TAG have expressed an intrest.
I propose to kick off with a bit of 73KHz beaconing before Alans predicted disturbance occurs so I will run  tonight and Saturday night at least. I will announce further tests depending on conditions.
Frequency will be 71,921.5KHz  DFCW. shift 0.1Hz up for dashes.  Use 60sec dot ARGO. Starting time  2300UTC
for about 6 hours.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27831 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 13:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 13:13:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 10559 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 13:11:28 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 13:11:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mxMp-00043z-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:07:47 +0100 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mxMn-00043o-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:07:46 +0100 Received: from ldsas12-76-127-194.cw-visp.com ([212.137.127.194] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 15mxDX-0005j0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:58:12 +0000 Message-ID: <3BB467B4.1FED573B@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:06:12 +0100 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Is anyone there ?? Its warming up.... References: <200109280045.f8S0jBf26068@galahad.joust.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Steve Dove wrote: > Hi Alan and all, > > Yes, there is life out here too. Being 'on the fringe' I'm reluctant > to have anyone burn electricity at my behest, but I will make an > effort to have a rig driving Argo if anyone declares they're going > to be on. > > It's still somewhat stormy and staticky as a rule, quiet nights an > exception, but things should steadily improve in that regard. It's > been surprising how good conditions have been (judging by the > long-wave broadcasters) over the summer when there's been > no racket. > > Been trying to improve on listening antennas to better the topband > vertical and, surprisingly, finding it tough; too foresty for e-probes > to work well and thus far - with one promising exception - loops > are worse for hearing electrical burps and fizzies. With a bit of > effort may be better placed than last year. > > 73 > > Steve W3EEE Hi Steve If you could listen out for me on normal cw, slowest speed about 4wpm. Give me a suitable time and freq on 136 khz and I will fire up in your direction. I have been heard out in your direction by a /mm operator some time back. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4514 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 13:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 13:12:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 10787 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 13:11:44 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 13:11:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mxMp-00043x-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:07:47 +0100 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mxMn-00043n-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:07:45 +0100 Received: from ldsas12-76-127-194.cw-visp.com ([212.137.127.194] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 15mxDV-0005in-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:58:10 +0000 Message-ID: <3BB466B8.6FA36695@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:02:00 +0100 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: VE7 to Eu listening tests. References: <200109280045.f8S0jBf26068@galahad.joust.net> <001601c147c9$c445ec80$5012f4cc@jsm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Steve McDonald wrote: > Starting in October I would like to do some serious listening towards Eu on > LF. Which signals (commercial broadcast) would stand the best chance of > being heard? I will start by just looking for carriers with Argo around the > Eu sunrise. The path to northern Eu must go through the auroral zone (not > fun) so I think the best chances would be from the big signals further south > where signals might be able to skirt by the edge during periods of reduced > field intensity. > > Steve / VE7SL / CN88 Hello Steve I have worked VE7 on 160 m a few times and with a bit of luck you might hear me on 136 khz Let me know the best time/qrg for you. I have a suitable vertical antenna system and adequate power, all I need is suitable propogation !! 73 de Mal/G3KEV/Scarborough/NE England From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20374 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 13:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 13:06:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 4501 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 13:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 13:05:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mxFa-0003uQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:00:18 +0100 Received: from tomts6.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.26] helo=tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mxFY-0003tw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:00:17 +0100 Received: from server1 ([209.226.189.65]) by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010928125900.MPVB4990.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1> for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:59:00 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c1481d$569dfb10$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> From: "Larry Kayser" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200109280045.f8S0jBf26068@galahad.joust.net> <001601c147c9$c445ec80$5012f4cc@jsm> Subject: LF: Re: VE7 to Eu listening tests. Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:58:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Steve: > Starting in October I would like to do some serious listening towards Eu on > LF. Which signals (commercial broadcast) would stand the best chance of > being heard? and from Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) >you might want to try to listen to the commercial transmitter DCF39 in >Magdeburg on 138.830 kHz (see http://www.qru.de/dcf39-beacon.html for >details). This is without any doubt the signal to look for. This signal has a very unique characteristic even when the signal is extremely weak visually, just a sliver wide trace of a line on the display you can see even at this level a "bloom" as the signal goes into an FSK burst of transmission. By a "bloom" I mean a very short broadening of the signal spectrum, it is absolutely unique. Non of the Loran C or Power Company carrier and spurious noise signals from the Power Company signals have this single characteristic. I have been able to see DCF39 all day long, even in July and August this year and positively ID the signal by these tiny randomly spaced "blooms" on the signal line. This signal also has a very impressive frequency stability, I am able to hold the signal in a single DFT line for hours on end. I also observe here that if you see the DFT line move (about 9 out of 10 times), down one DFT line, there will be an announcement of a solar flare from IPS in Australia a short time later. I now have secondary processing ability here to go look at the DFT data I am collecting during receive sessions. For daytime reception of DCF39 I regularly use ARGO at the longest bit setting possible and also I am now using the DSP56K Box I have here. Have you started or have ready a transmitting antenna yet Steve? Good Luck, you will hear this signal over the winter I am sure of that. Larry VA3LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21060 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 12:40:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 12:40:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 27907 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 12:38:49 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 12:38:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mwoq-0003bf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:32:40 +0100 Received: from [213.2.16.106] (helo=rsgb.org.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mwoo-0003X8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:32:38 +0100 Received: from miked by rsgb.org.uk with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v4.0.0.R) for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:29:50 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:29:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: LF: HF convention Message-ID: <3BB47B4C.26604.E7068A@localhost> In-reply-to: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) X-Return-Path: miked@mail X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: > I see there is a deadline of 30th of > September for bookings. > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU The deadline is only for those requiring accommodation. Day visitors may pay on arrival. Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.lf.thersgb.net From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8205 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 10:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 10:20:48 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 29685 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 10:18:40 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 10:18:40 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mubo-0002Cz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:11:04 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mubm-0002Cs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:11:03 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15mub8-0001A6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:10:22 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=mj9ar) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 15mub7-00037B-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:10:21 +0100 From: "James Moritz" Organization: University of Hertfordshire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:13:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: HF convention X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, I have booked my tickets to the Windsor convention and the DX dinner - I'm not sure yet if I will be able to come on Sunday, but will definitely be there Saturday. I see there is a deadline of 30th of September for bookings. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 359 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 06:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 06:58:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24989 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 06:56:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 06:56:43 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mrPT-0000BB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:46:07 +0100 Received: from siaag2af.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.136]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mrPS-0000B6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:46:06 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2af.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id CAA20621 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 02:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 02:45:02 -0400 From: "Holger 'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: VE7 to Eu listening tests. To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200109280245_MC3-E180-9363@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Steve, VE7SL wrote: >Starting in October I would like to do some serious listening towards Eu on >LF. Which signals (commercial broadcast) would stand the best chance of >being heard? < Steve, you might want to try to listen to the commercial transmitter DCF39 in Magdeburg on 138.830 kHz (see http://www.qru.de/dcf39-beacon.html for details). That transmitter has about 40 kW ERP, so that a good amateur signal from Europe is between approximately 45 to 50 dB weaker than that station. It has been heard at the East coasts of Canada and the US, and a VK station has been able to detect the carrier by taking a long-term averaging software. DCF39 transmitts a steady carrier on 138.830 kHz, interrupted approximately every 10 seconds by a 200 bd FSK signal with the space frequency on 139.170 kHz. Good luck, best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) LF-Homepage: http://www.qru.de ... currently not QRV but preparing to be ready to transmit again throughout the winter season with about 200 mW ERP, I am located 120 km West of DCF39 ... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6370 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 06:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 06:57:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 23150 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 06:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 06:54:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mrQj-0000In-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:47:25 +0100 Received: from mail.ifx.com.br ([200.201.133.66] helo=mail01.ifx.com.br) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mrQh-0000BD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:47:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 11272 invoked by uid 505); 28 Sep 2001 06:46:04 -0000 Received: from py2pll@py.qsl.br by mail01.ifx.com.br with qmail-scanner-0.96 (. Clean. Processed in 0.701947 secs); 28 Sep 2001 06:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO P800) (200.189.230.139) by mail01.ifx.com.br with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 06:46:04 -0000 Message-ID: <005001c147e9$2dcc4b80$8be6bdc8@P800> From: "PY3CRX PY2PLL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200109270232_MC3-E14F-9288@compuserve.com> Subject: LF: Re: WG Selective Level Meter Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 03:45:22 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Geri ... > I use the selective level meter MV62 very successfully for LF reception, I > also have a Siemens unit (see http://www.qru.de/MV61.htm). There is also an > article on the internet about the general use of level meters for reception > (although not about the unit you mentioned ...), for details see > http://members.home.net/rnewell/fsvm.htm). I´ll take a look. Thanks for the information. I´m re-organizing shack and stuff here ... finally recovered some rotators to drive a 3m shielded loop ... hope to be back to LF/NDB DX soon. Regards and have a nice weekend; 73 Marcus, PY3CRX/PY2PLL GG66rf http://py.qsl.br Active from "DC" to 24GHz From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12441 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 03:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 03:10:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 9921 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 03:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 03:08:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mnv9-0006l7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 04:02:35 +0100 Received: from neptune.imagenisp.com ([204.244.138.19]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mnv6-0006ja-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 04:02:32 +0100 Received: from jsm (DEFAULT [204.244.18.80]) by neptune.imagenisp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id TWD16S3G; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:01:59 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c147c9$c445ec80$5012f4cc@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200109280045.f8S0jBf26068@galahad.joust.net> Subject: LF: VE7 to Eu listening tests. Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:00:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Starting in October I would like to do some serious listening towards Eu on LF. Which signals (commercial broadcast) would stand the best chance of being heard? I will start by just looking for carriers with Argo around the Eu sunrise. The path to northern Eu must go through the auroral zone (not fun) so I think the best chances would be from the big signals further south where signals might be able to skirt by the edge during periods of reduced field intensity. Steve / VE7SL / CN88 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20893 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 00:49:38 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 00:49:38 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14178 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 00:49:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 00:49:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mlmt-0005KW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 01:45:55 +0100 Received: from galahad.joust.net ([63.108.136.2] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mlms-0005KR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 01:45:54 +0100 Received: from benny-hill (p3-138-081.joust.net [63.108.138.81]) by galahad.joust.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f8S0jBf26068; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200109280045.f8S0jBf26068@galahad.joust.net> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:44:57 -0400 To: "Alan Melia" , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Steve Dove" Subject: LF: Re: Is anyone there ?? Its warming up.... X-Mailer: Opera 5.02 build 856a X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Alan and all, Yes, there is life out here too. Being 'on the fringe' I'm reluctant to have anyone burn electricity at my behest, but I will make an effort to have a rig driving Argo if anyone declares they're going to be on. It's still somewhat stormy and staticky as a rule, quiet nights an exception, but things should steadily improve in that regard. It's been surprising how good conditions have been (judging by the long-wave broadcasters) over the summer when there's been no racket. Been trying to improve on listening antennas to better the topband vertical and, surprisingly, finding it tough; too foresty for e-probes to work well and thus far - with one promising exception - loops are worse for hearing electrical burps and fizzies. With a bit of effort may be better placed than last year. 73 Steve W3EEE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21513 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 23:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 23:16:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 3152 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 23:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 23:16:06 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mkIR-0004VK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:10:23 +0100 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93] helo=rhenium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mkIQ-0004VF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:10:22 +0100 Received: from [62.7.118.129] (helo=default) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15mkHj-0002w5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:09:39 +0100 Message-ID: <000101c147a8$fddbc1c0$8176073e@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: another big flare possible Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:05:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, NOAA SEC predict the "fair chance" of an isolated major flare in the next three days. If this occurs in daytime over Europe that could mean up to or over 10dB enhancement to most daytime paths, but only for the period the flare is active. If you have unmetered access you could watch the real-time graph from the NOAA site www.sec.noaa.gov/today.html gives the general solar forecast www.sec.noaa.gov/rt_plots/xray_1m.html this gives the 1 minute updated real-time plot URL ...I think you can arrange it to alarm on the computer speaker as well. Otherwise I suppose you could listen for 80m skywave disappearing in the blackout phase. Cheers de Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22052 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 19:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 19:01:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 14768 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 18:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 18:59:22 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mgEM-0001xM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:49:54 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.41]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mgEL-0001xH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:49:53 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.104.96.112]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010927184910.UXJV15984.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:49:10 +0100 Message-ID: <002101c14785$36c531c0$706068d5@oemcomputer> From: "mike.dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: "The LF Convention" Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:47:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: For those who are still confused about what LF enthusiasts can get out of the RSGB HF Convention, I have summarised it on my web site. There's also a list of those I believe are attending. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3162 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 15:18:57 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 15:18:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10395 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 15:16:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 15:16:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mbqV-0007dY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:08:59 +0100 Received: from gate3.oss.akzonobel.nl ([192.87.3.7]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mbqU-0007dS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:08:58 +0100 Received: (from fwmaster@localhost) by gate3.oss.akzonobel.nl (8.9.1a/8.6.12) id QAA25266 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:07:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by gate3.oss.akzonobel.nl via smap (V1.3) id sma023310; Thu, 27 Sep 01 16:05:28 +0200 Received: by triton.oss.intra with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:05:28 +0200 Message-ID: <639D20177889D41198A600508BAD3CA1011EF01B@capella3.oss.akzonobel.nl> From: "Laken, W.H.P.A. van der \(Wil\)" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: HF convention Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:05:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: To all: I will not attend the HF convention this year. QRL does not allow me to leave that weekend. CU all next year Wil (PA0BWL) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27566 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 14:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 14:41:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 8289 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 14:39:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 14:39:23 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mcDX-00082b-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:32:47 +0100 Received: from ligarius-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.189]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mcDW-00082U-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:32:46 +0100 Received: from comrex (d31.dial-2.cmb.ma.ultra.net [209.6.65.31]) by ligarius-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n26500/mtc.v2) with SMTP id KAA12029 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002301c14763$1bdbab40$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3.0.3.32.20010927072931.018fb2e0@pop.netzero.net> Subject: Re: LF: Re. "is there anyone there" Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:45:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >I'm ready and willing to look for signals. Last season was so >sucessful on 136 I hope it can repeated on 73KHz. Just let me know >when the beacons will be on. >73, >Jon >W1JHJ >Plymouth, MA And since I'm 80 km to his west, I'll hear the same thing, and get the credit . John Andrews, W1TAG Holden, MA FN42ch From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 840 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 12:44:54 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 12:44:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 9010 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 12:43:38 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 12:43:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15maRg-0006rh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:39:16 +0100 Received: from mail9.wlv.netzero.net ([209.247.163.66]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15maRf-0006rc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:39:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 8792 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 12:38:29 -0000 Received: from dialup-63.214.103.217.dial1.boston1.level3.net (HELO lazzo) (63.214.103.217) by mail9.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 12:38:29 -0000 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010927072931.018fb2e0@pop.netzero.net> X-Sender: w1jhj@pop.netzero.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:29:31 -0400 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Jonathan Jesse" Subject: Re: LF: Re. "is there anyone there" In-reply-to: <002901c145a3$ce607be0$8233893e@g3aqc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 10:23 AM 9/25/01 +0100, you wrote:
>>>>
Alan Melia sent me a message today asking wether anyone
intended any T/A activity this year. We are already past the time
when last year the first crossings were made.
I would like to improve on my 73KHz sighting my John and thanks to Peter G3LDO have a Decca TX ready to go !
There is also still much to do on136 including a hand keyed crossing !
I am ready to beacon on 73 or 136 whenever anyone is ready to
listen.
73s Laurie.

<<<<

I'm ready and willing to look for signals. Last season was so sucessful on 136 I hope it can repeated on 73KHz. Just let me know when the beacons will be on.

73,
Jon
W1JHJ
Plymouth, MA
FN41qw
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28269 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 12:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 12:25:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 18639 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 12:24:19 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 12:24:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ma4f-0006Zy-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:15:29 +0100 Received: from out4.prserv.net ([32.97.166.34] helo=prserv.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ma4b-0006Zt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:15:25 +0100 Received: from ieee.org (slip-32-102-142-241.md.us.prserv.net[32.102.142.241]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <20010927121425204054vmt3e>; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:14:26 +0000 Message-ID: <3BB315EE.4F3FC3F8@ieee.org> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:05:02 -0400 From: "Andre Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: RSGB HF Convention - LF matters References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John W Gould wrote: > Did I catch that Andre' has volunteered to discuss the AMRAD Aerial? I could say a few words on the subject, and bring a few overhead transparencies André From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15424 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 10:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 10:02:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 1883 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 10:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 10:01:17 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mXu8-0005Ed-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:56:28 +0100 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176] helo=protactinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mXu7-0005EY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:56:27 +0100 Received: from [217.35.24.132] (helo=dellboy) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15mXtT-0002kH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:55:47 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c1473a$8db7e900$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: Re: LF: HF convention Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:55:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I have just booked my ticket, not for Tom's barn dance, for the DX dinner. See you all there. Dave G3YXM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Boucher" To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 8:28 AM Subject: Re: LF: HF convention > I'll be there Saturday but not the dinner (barn dance in the village > that night!) > > 73, Tom G3OLB > > In message , James Moritz > writes > >Dear LF Group, > > > >Just wondering - who from the LF group is planning to go to the > >Windsor convention this year, and is anyone planning to go to the > >"DX dinner" on Saturday night? > > > >Cheers, Jim Moritz > >73 de M0BMU > > > > -- > Tom Boucher > Telemetry Consultants Limited > 10 Market Square > Chesham > Buckinghamshire HP5 1ES > UK > Tel: (44)(0)1494 792433 > Fax: (44)(0)1494 792533 > Mobile:07932-615232 > www.telemetry.demon.co.uk > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14983 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 09:34:34 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 09:34:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17695 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 09:32:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 09:32:23 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mXRH-0004wY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:26:39 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mXRF-0004wT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:26:37 +0100 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15mXQT-000K8j-0A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:25:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:28:40 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Tom Boucher" Subject: Re: LF: HF convention In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I'll be there Saturday but not the dinner (barn dance in the village that night!) 73, Tom G3OLB In message , James Moritz writes >Dear LF Group, > >Just wondering - who from the LF group is planning to go to the >Windsor convention this year, and is anyone planning to go to the >"DX dinner" on Saturday night? > >Cheers, Jim Moritz >73 de M0BMU > -- Tom Boucher Telemetry Consultants Limited 10 Market Square Chesham Buckinghamshire HP5 1ES UK Tel: (44)(0)1494 792433 Fax: (44)(0)1494 792533 Mobile:07932-615232 www.telemetry.demon.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13170 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 06:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 06:52:21 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 675 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 06:50:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 06:50:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mUjd-0003Mb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:33:25 +0100 Received: from siaag2ac.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.133]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mUjc-0003MW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:33:24 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id CAA16608 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 02:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 02:32:22 -0400 From: "Holger 'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: WG Selective Level Meter To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200109270232_MC3-E14F-9288@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Marcus, PY3CRX/PY2PLL wrote: >Did anybody uses a selective level meter as a LF receiver ? And about this >specific WG meter? The manufacturer says that the demodulator is "SSB with >built in speaker" but seems that I´ll recover audio from "DC" to IF BW - no >offset :o(.< Marcus, I use the selective level meter MV62 very successfully for LF reception, I also have a Siemens unit (see http://www.qru.de/MV61.htm). There is also an article on the internet about the general use of level meters for reception (although not about the unit you mentioned ...), for details see http://members.home.net/rnewell/fsvm.htm). Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26348 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 22:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 22:32:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 22120 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 22:30:21 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 22:30:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mN7B-0007CO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:25:13 +0100 Received: from mail-4.tiscalinet.it ([195.130.225.150] helo=mail.tiscalinet.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mN7A-0007CJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:25:12 +0100 Received: from orion.pii.net (62.11.53.12) by mail.tiscalinet.it (5.5.044) id 3BAC36B50014E04E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:24:21 +0200 Received: (from clapo@localhost) by orion.pii.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00889 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:17:51 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-reply-to: <3BB20CB3.46FA1431@diolog.de> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:17:51 +0200 (CEST) From: "Claudio" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: ic706 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: On 26-Sep-01 Fabian Kurz wrote: >> When I put the big antenna up then it was more than adequate with the pre >> amp on. > > My FT-890 is more sensitive on 136 kHz when i switch the preamp **off** > .. anyone else noticed that > with a general-coverage rx? the preamp seems to work like an attentuator > down there (unfortunately the att doesn't work like a preamp, hi hi) Yes, may be a new feature by Yaesu. Also my new FT-100D is more sensitive on 136 kHz with **IPO** on ( I think that mean preamp off but manual does not specify what they mean with IPO on, on the HF bands IPO on = premp off). May be that a coupling transformer at he output of the preamp does the bad job. I writed an e-mail to the italian YAESU rapreentative, they replied that YAESU need a lot of compliants before to make some improvement. Actally YAESU responce was that 136 kHz is an unused band. Please write to YAESU. I have a 20 dB preamp with band pass filter before the rig. See my WEB site for schematics. 73 de Claudio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Claudio Pozzi http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii happy Linux user E-Mail: Claudio Date: 27-Sep-01 Time: 00:03:56 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3511 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 21:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 21:23:37 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 27476 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 21:21:26 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 21:21:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mLzZ-0006U5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:13:17 +0100 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19] helo=mailout06.sul.t-online.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mLzY-0006Tw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:13:16 +0100 Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 15mLym-0006Mm-0F; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:12:28 +0200 Received: from (087321565-0001@[217.2.40.169]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 15mLyf-0k3gu0C; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:12:21 +0200 From: "Hans-Joachim Brandt" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3BB20E4E.9CA8230A@netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: LF: deaf!! X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:12:21 +0200 Message-ID: <15mLyf-0k3gu0C@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 087321565-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At first I have had the same impression when he became qrv, but finally he could hear my 75 watts from eastern Bavaria 549 - with a receiving loop!! It seems to be difficult to listen on LF with good sensitivity within the Frankfurt/Main area (Intermods and spurii from Mainflingen?) Therefore it may depend on the directivity of the loop whom he can hear and whom not. Recently, however, some changes (or damage) seem to have happened to his aerial systems, and therefore things may be worse now. But I guess he can defend himself and make his working conditions transparent. He has email, but I do not know whether he has subscribed to the LF server. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB gii3kev schrieb: > Although I have worked DL3FDO he seems to have either asymetrical ears > or no ears at all !! To day continuous cqing with virtually no interval > to listen and certainly no searching the band. Is this station a robot ? > or is there a human about the shack. I often hear stations calling him > but he seldom replies except to another DL just down the road. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28321 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 20:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 20:56:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 25192 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 20:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 20:54:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mLb5-0006I8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:47:59 +0100 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mLb3-0006AK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:47:58 +0100 Received: from [213.122.146.152] (helo=presario1920) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15mLZG-0003KB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:46:07 +0100 From: "John W Gould" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: RSGB HF Convention - LF matters Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:52:55 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: All, I've had confirmation from Bob,G3PJT, who Chairs the organising committee, that it would be perfectly acceptable for us to take the 2pm slot on the Saturday for this extra session. He wants us to finish the session by 1445 so that the changeover for Andy's talk can take place. Thus, it would be sensible to start about 1:45 to give us a full hour. Did I catch that Andre' has volunteered to discuss the AMRAD Aerial? Any other takers? 73 John G3WKL -----Original Message----- From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf Of John W Gould Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 22:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RSGB HF Convention - LF matters Thanks for the useful suggestion for an extra session. I agree that it's worth putting on. So far the agenda for this session includes: a) G4JNT outlining his QRO TX b) Crawley Club report on MB7LF - G3YSX to arrange c) 2 papers from "Crawley Round Table" - G3YSX to arrange I will enquire whether we can use the 2pm slot, though that may upset the plans to keep it clear for Martti's keynote presentation. Short of that we could run the session at 1800 on Saturday. Watch this space.... ---- As a separate issue I am preparing the agenda for the LF Forum. So far it looks like: a) Presentation of RSGB LF Experimenter's Award, The Nevada Cup for 2001 b) Presentation of DARC, AMRAD, RSGB Transatlantic Challenge Awards and Certificates c) 136kHz - report on RSGB and IARU Region 1 activities(G3WKL) d) 500kHz - report on RSGB proposal(G3WKL) Grateful for suggestions for additions to this list 73 John Gould G3WKL -----Original Message----- From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf Of G0MRF@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 17:48 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: October IOTA/HF Conference ? In a message dated 9/10/01 8:19:00 AM GMT Daylight Time, stewart.bryant@virgin.net writes: << The main Saturday agenda seems full (I suggest that we stick to Sat to make it a single day), but I would imagine that we could ask to use one of the rooms after the official programme. Any interest, any thoughts about the topics? Stewart G3YSX >> Hi Stewart. Best to contact John Gould G3WKL who has traditionally arranged the agenda. David G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28290 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 20:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 20:55:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 26055 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 20:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 20:55:00 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mLb5-0006I6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:47:59 +0100 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mLb3-0006AJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:47:58 +0100 Received: from [213.122.146.152] (helo=presario1920) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15mLZF-0003KB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:46:05 +0100 From: "John W Gould" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: HF convention Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:52:54 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I'll be there, Friday till Sunday. Looks as if we will have to organise ourselves so that we get a couple of tables together for the DX Dinner. Wonder if we will show up the HFers on the morse game again this year? 73 John -----Original Message----- From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf Of James Moritz Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 15:34 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: HF convention Dear LF Group, Just wondering - who from the LF group is planning to go to the Windsor convention this year, and is anyone planning to go to the "DX dinner" on Saturday night? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27764 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 19:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 19:39:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 18565 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 19:38:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 19:38:55 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mKSV-0005Xw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:35:03 +0100 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176] helo=protactinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mKSU-0005Xl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:35:02 +0100 Received: from [217.35.24.132] (helo=dellboy) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15mKR8-0006IN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:33:38 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01c146c2$19322140$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3BB20E55.AC4F9DA7@netscapeonline.co.uk> <3BB20CB3.46FA1431@diolog.de> Subject: Re: LF: ic706 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:33:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: The same is true of the Alinco DX70, the receiver works better on LF with the preamp off. Dave G3YXM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fabian Kurz" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:13 PM Subject: Re: LF: ic706 > > When I put the big antenna up then it was more than adequate with the pre amp on. > > My FT-890 is more sensitive on 136 kHz when i switch the preamp **off** > .. anyone else noticed that > with a general-coverage rx? the preamp seems to work like an attentuator > down there (unfortunately the att doesn't work like a preamp, hi hi) > > 73 Fabian DJ1YFK (still SWL on 136) > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17203 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 19:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 19:22:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 24460 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 19:20:23 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 19:20:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mK9P-0005H3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:15:19 +0100 Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de ([195.20.224.149]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mK9O-0005Gx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:15:18 +0100 Received: from [195.20.224.219] (helo=mrvdom03.schlund.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15mK73-0006eD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:12:53 +0200 Received: from pc19f5933.dip.t-dialin.net ([193.159.89.51] helo=diolog.de) by mrvdom03.schlund.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15mK74-0003dd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:12:54 +0200 Message-ID: <3BB20CB3.46FA1431@diolog.de> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:13:23 +0200 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: ic706 References: <3BB20E55.AC4F9DA7@netscapeonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: > When I put the big antenna up then it was more than adequate with the pre amp on. My FT-890 is more sensitive on 136 kHz when i switch the preamp **off** .. anyone else noticed that with a general-coverage rx? the preamp seems to work like an attentuator down there (unfortunately the att doesn't work like a preamp, hi hi) 73 Fabian DJ1YFK (still SWL on 136) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23498 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 18:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 18:28:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 18863 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 18:28:36 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 18:28:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mJIX-0004op-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:20:41 +0100 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mJIW-0004ok-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:20:40 +0100 Received: from ldsas10-74-125-223.cw-visp.com ([212.137.125.223] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 15mJ9J-0005Zq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:11:09 +0000 Message-ID: <3BB20E55.AC4F9DA7@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:20:21 +0100 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: ic706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All Lots of info floating around about the 706 and different versions. I have a late mk1 model and it works fb and I use it as a generator source to drive my 73/136 pa. I use it on 7.3/13.6 mhz low power and divide by 100 for the appropriate lf bands. It is very stable on tx and works well also on RX 136 but I have a large antenna. I did say earlier that on a small antenna it is not sensitive enough. I compared it with other rigs like the ts50 for example on a short antenna in the early days and it was not very good. When I put the big antenna up then it was more than adequate with the pre amp on. The ts50 was too sensitive on the big antenna and needed external attenuation. I have other receivers available as mentioned in previous messages and all are very good but it depends a lot on the antenna in use as regards sensitivity. What would suit one persons needs would not suit another. Using the 706 with my present antenna, the rf gain has to be backed off slightly to obtain max signal over noise but has more than adequate sensitivity. The antenna will determine what rx suits your needs best. 73 de Mal/G3KEV/SCARBOROUGH From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20407 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 18:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 18:27:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 17289 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 18:27:24 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 18:27:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mJIV-0004oi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:20:39 +0100 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mJIU-0004od-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:20:38 +0100 Received: from ldsas10-74-125-223.cw-visp.com ([212.137.125.223] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 15mJ9C-0005ZI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:11:03 +0000 Message-ID: <3BB20E4E.9CA8230A@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:20:14 +0100 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: deaf!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Although I have worked DL3FDO he seems to have either asymetrical ears or no ears at all !! To day continuous cqing with virtually no interval to listen and certainly no searching the band. Is this station a robot ? or is there a human about the shack. I often hear stations calling him but he seldom replies except to another DL just down the road. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8204 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 17:23:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 17:23:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26645 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 17:23:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 17:23:20 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mIHQ-0003zD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:15:28 +0100 Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.98]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mIHO-0003z8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:15:27 +0100 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id l.c0.1b46abfa (3988) for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:14:37 -0400 (EDT) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:14:37 EDT Subject: LF: Russian ALPHA TX back "on air" - confirmed To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10504 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello group,
I can now confirm that some Russian ALPHA transmitters are back on air (someone must have paid the electricity bill - guess why ? )
A signal can be clearly seen and heard (with the software-VLF-radio) on 11.905 kHz as short pulses (blip-blip-blip..).

A list of VLF frequencies can be found at
http://www.vlf.it/itulist/itulist.htm.

Good luck hunting !
 Wolf  DL4YHF.

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17766 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 13:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 13:16:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 26451 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 13:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 13:14:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mENp-0001hV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:05:49 +0100 Received: from cmailenv2.svr.pol.co.uk ([213.218.77.54]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mENk-0001hJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:05:44 +0100 Received: from [62.21.157.140] (helo=w8k3f0) by cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15mEN2-0007wQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:05:01 +0000 Message-ID: <004a01c1468d$43af9cc0$8c9d153e@w8k3f0> From: "Dick Rollema" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: LF: Re: Field strength measurements by M0BMU Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:10:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
To All from PA0SE
 
Jim, M0BMU, deserves great praise for his fine job of measuring field strength at a large number of locations and I certainly would like to receive the graphs he made.  Thanks Jim in advance.
 
I could not resist the temptation to model Jim's aerial using K6STI's computer program AO.
This yielded a radiation resistance of 0.017 ohms. At an aerial current of 2A radiated power becomes 0.017 * 2 * 2 = 68mW. This is EMRP, Effective Monopole Radiated Power. A short vertical monopole has a gain of 1.829 (2.62dB) over a half wave dipole in free space. As ERP is related to such a dipole calculated ERP at M0BMU is 1.829 * 68 = 124mW. Jim mentions 150mW ERP but he also says the aerial  is slightly over 8m average height. I used 8m for the simulation and this may explain the difference between 124W and 150mW.
 
AO also permits to compute what is called the "near field" but in reality is the total field (near field plus far field) up to a distance of 2km.  I did this for Jim's aerial in steps of 200m. Both the electric component E of the field in V/m and the magnetic component A in A/m are computed. 
 
In the far field E/H = 120 * pi = 377 ohms. 
 
In the following table E/H is shown for Jim's aerial and for my own one.
 
At  M0BMU                                At PA0SE
 
Distance (m)    E/H (ohms)           Distance (m)    E/H (ohms)
 
 200                     493                          200                     536
 
 400                     256                          400                     262
 
 600                     286                          600                     288
 
 800                     317                          800                     318
 
1000                    336                         1000                    336
 
1200                    347                         1200                    348
 
1400                    354                         1400                    356
 
1600                    359                         1600                    361
 
1800                    364                         1800                    364
 
2000                    366                          2000                   365
 
Very near the aerial the magnitude of E/H depends also on the configuration of the aerial, as shown in the table for the aerials of M0BMU and PA0SE. But the difference is already negligible at 400m distance. (My aerial is a T with the top of the vertical leg at 18m height).
 
The tables show that even at  2km E/H is different from 377 ohms, which means the influence of the near field has not yet disappeared.
 
In the far field both E and H decrease in a linear way with distance (at least  in the region where field strength measurements are being made, say up to 10 km from the transmitter).
So going from 1km to 2km both E and H should decrease by a factor of 2.
The computer shows that at M0BMU that  factor is 1.92 for E and 2.09 for H. This also shows some contribution of the near field to the total field. But for FS measurements the discrepancy is probably small enough to be neglected; also taking into account that other factors can cause variations in FS of several decibels.  
 
In dry weather aerial current at PA0SE is  1.95A. Radiation resistance is calculated at 0.043 ohms. So radiated power is 1.95 * 1.95 * 0.043 = 164mW EMRP = 300mW ERP. 
At 5.83km distance, well into the far field zone, field strength showed ERP to be 95mW. 
A difference of 5dB.
But the measurement  was made at one location only, though selected carefully for the absence of disturbing metal objects.  One never knows what is below the surface of course but the FS did not fluctuate when moving around a bit so it seemed a good location. 
But Jim has shown us that for serious work a single measurement is certainly not good enough.
 
73, Dick, PA0SE   
 
  
---- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Verzonden: dinsdag 25 september 2001 17:18
Onderwerp: LF: <TECH> Results of antenna tests

Dear LF group,

I have now made a total of 155 field strength measurements on 135.923kHz, all using the same antenna with 2A antenna current. I suspect this is the most detailed FS measurements yet done on an amateur 136k antenna, and some of the results are quite interesting.

The antenna is an inverted L, with slightly over 8m average height, and a single top wire 40m long running east (the feed end) to west. The antenna current was measured at the bottom of the downlead, where it joins the loading coil. I made measurements at distances between 148m and 8.1km, with a wide range of different directions between TX and RX. The equipment used was my homebrew, car- mounted, ferrite rod antenna and preamp, with an SPM-3 selective level meter. This combination was calibrated using a Helmholz coil arrangement. Distance and bearing between TX and RX was measured using a GPS receiver.

I worked out the ERP in dBW for each measurement, and plotted these results against the distances and bearings at which the measurements were taken, using a spreadsheet. The graph of ERP vs. distance shows that at ranges below about 600m, the calculated ERP increases rapidly, suggesting this distance is the minimum that could be considered "far field". There are also several points where the ERP was 10- 15dB higher than average; plotting ERP against bearing revealed that these occur in a sharp peak around a bearing of 270 degrees, up to a distance of 1km or so. It turned out that all these points were measured on Bulls Lane, a road going due west from my QTH. Closer inspection showed that there are overhead phone lines on poles along this road, one of which connects to my QTH. The overhead lines run parallel to my antenna within 10m in places, so I expect the unusually high FSs were due to signals being coupled into, and propagating along, the phone wires. The wires go into buried cables after about 1.2km, and the field strength returns to normal.

The area in which I live is a mixture of urban and countryside; in urban areas there are many buildings, while in the rural areas there are overhead phone or power lines by the sides of most roads. This makes "ideal" locations for field strength measurements hard to find, so most measurements were made at less than perfect locations. In spite of this, the ERP figures for most points are within 2 or 3dB of the average, showing quite consistent measurements can be made under these conditions. I tried returning to the same location on subsequent days; the measurements were within a 1dB range. Also G3NYK supplied some plots of the test signal received at his QTH; these remained stable within 1dB or so as well. So one can be reasonably confident that the observed variations are due to the location, and not drift in TX output or RX sensitivity.

I looked at potential causes of changing ERP results - apart from the phone lines and short distances, I found that in at least one case, measuring on top of a motorway bridge enhanced the signal level by a few dB. Once I had excluded these deviant measurement points, the average ERP was -11.2dBW, equivalent to a (geometric) mean of 75mW, compared to a calculated value of 150mW. There was little evidence of directional behaviour of the antenna, although there is perhaps a slight "bump" of 1 or 2 dB around 120degrees bearing. Interestingly. this is roughly the direction the aerial masts at Brookmans Park transmitting station are in, so they might be having a slight parasitic effect. However, there are only a few points in this direction, and they were all taken on one road, the Ridgeway, which as one would expect is elevated above the surrounding ground.

The conclusions so far - it is possible to make reasonably consistent field strength measurements on amateur LF antennas, provided sufficiently detailed measurements are available to identify disturbing factors, which can cause errors of 10dB or more. In the mixed urban and rural environment in which these measurements were done, one can expect variation of about +/- 3dB between measurements - repeating a measurement at the same location gives results within 1dB. The "far field", where field strength is inversely proportional to distance, starts at about 600m distance in the case of this antenna. At shorter distances, the field strength decreases more rapidly with distance. The measured ERP is 3dB down on the calculated value in this case, roughly in line with previous measurements. As would be expected, there is little or no directional behaviour in a 40m long, 8m high inverted L at 136kHz.

If anyone would like to play around with the figures I have so far, I have all the data in an Excel spreadsheet, which I could e-mail to them. I originally tried to post a couple of the graphs to the reflector, but it was having none of it, so if anyone would like to see the results let me know, and I'll send them individually.

I plan to do similar tests using different antennas, and also on 73kHz, in the near future.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5226 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 13:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 13:15:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 26000 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 13:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 13:13:40 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mENn-0001hP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:05:47 +0100 Received: from cmailenv2.svr.pol.co.uk ([213.218.77.54]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mENl-0001hK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:05:46 +0100 Received: from [62.21.157.140] (helo=w8k3f0) by cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15mEN8-0007wQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:05:07 +0000 Message-ID: <004b01c1468d$475a0720$8c9d153e@w8k3f0> From: "Dick Rollema" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: LF/HF Convention Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:14:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
To All from PA0SE
 
I will not attend the Convention. The UK is becoming a bit too expensive for a retired Dutchman.
 
Will there be a station on 136kHz?
 
73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14532 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 11:40:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 11:40:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 19539 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 11:37:54 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 11:37:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mCwC-0000lC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:33:12 +0100 Received: from e4.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.104]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mCwB-0000i7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:33:11 +0100 Received: from northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (northrelay01.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.21]) by e4.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA51202 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 07:29:39 -0400 Received: from usa.net (ss7.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.72]) by northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v4.97.1) with ESMTP id f8QBUfl82266 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 07:30:41 -0400 Message-ID: <3BB1BC5A.78A2ED04@usa.net> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:30:35 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Anritsu Manual References: <12a.4e4b534.28e30e81@aol.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G0MRF@aol.com wrote:
[...]
I did run a search on the web site but could not find a result to match the model number of the analyser that I have bought.
[...]
Talking of manuals, an useful URL is the following :
http://www.w7fg.com
He has 8000+ manuals in stock, though, unfortunately, not that
that David is after.

73  Alberto  I2PHD
  From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17045 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 11:03:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 11:03:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14543 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 11:03:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 11:03:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mCO1-0000Jm-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:57:53 +0100 Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.103]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mCO0-0000Jh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:57:52 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id l.12a.4e4b534 (4587) for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 06:57:05 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.4e4b534.28e30e81@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 06:57:05 EDT Subject: Re: LF: Anritsu Manual To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10505 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 9/24/01 12:47:15 PM GMT Daylight Time, rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be writes:


Hello David,

If nobody turns up with the manual you could give it a try at one of the
addresses you can find here :

http://www.eu.anritsu.com/uk/contacts/



Hello Rik.

Thank you for that URL.

I did run a search on the web site but could not find a result to match the model number of the analyser that I have bought.

If all else fails, I will call the company and try to find a supportive engineer!

Hope to talk to you over the weekend of the HF Convention at Windsor.
G3GRO and the Crawley club have received permission to operate a LF 'repeater' on either 28 / 50 / or 144MHz.  With 135 - 138 relayed from a quiet location we should be able to hear a few stations this year.

73

David  G0MRF
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2677 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 09:19:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 09:19:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 11669 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 09:17:48 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 09:17:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mAjc-0007pJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:12:04 +0100 Received: from mta02.btfusion.com ([62.172.195.247] helo=btclick.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15mAjb-0007pE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:12:03 +0100 Received: from virgin.net ([213.121.108.110]) by btclick.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with ESMTP id GK9IU304.J3A for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:10:51 +0100 Message-ID: <3BB19BBB.4781082@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:11:24 +0100 From: "Stewart Bryant" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: HF convention References: <3BB0C67C.4E5F23C4@ieee.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Andre Would you be able to give a short talk on the Amrad antenna in the short paper session? 73 Stewart Andre Kesteloot wrote: > James Moritz wrote: > > > Dear LF Group, > > > > Just wondering - who from the LF group is planning to go to the > > Windsor convention this year, and is anyone planning to go to the > > "DX dinner" on Saturday night? > > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > > 73 de M0BMU > > I plan to attend > 73 > André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23233 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 08:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 08:28:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 6086 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 08:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 08:26:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15m93h-0006e3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:24:41 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from relay.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.49]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15m93f-0006dy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:24:39 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (qmail 31607 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 08:23:59 +0100 Received: from trtnmail.dera.gov.uk (146.80.9.56) by relay.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 08:23:59 +0100 Received: (qmail 20764 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 08:29:06 +0100 Received: (ofmipd 192.5.29.90); 26 Sep 2001 07:28:44 -0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id IAA03685; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:31:11 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 25735 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 08:13:05 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk (172.16.9.10) by baton.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 08:13:05 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk; id HAA13847; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 07:56:05 GMT Received: from unknown(10.71.64.31) by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma013832; Wed, 26 Sep 01 07:55:53 GMT Received: from mailex.dera.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dera.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:25:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 5350 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 07:09:48 +0100 Date: 26 Sep 2001 08:22:49 +0100 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C5C7@PDW-MAIL-R1> From: "Andrew Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-5Received: from softdnserror (HELO cchecker.dstl.gov.uk) (192.168.248.52) by mailex.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 06:09:48 -0000 X-4Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by cchecker.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 07:09:00 +0100 X-3Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)id ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:22:50 +0100 Subject: LF: RE: Doppler effect. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
The rate of recombination of the E (?) layer causing the height to change at dusk / dawn will move at this sort of rate.  
I did see Doppler shifts, although not perhaps quite as great as this, on the signals from Larry at least once.  This is one of the mechanisms limiting the data rates we can go down to when using very low signalling rates.
 
A couple of years ago I made some tests receiving DCF, the German time signal, comparing its phase against a locally generated Caesium reference.  The interference patterns at dusk / dawn showed fading consistent with interference between the two skywave  & groundwave signals, one of which was changing at a rate consistent with this order of magnitude of velocity.
 
Andy  G4JNT
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Pick [mailto:g3yxm@wireless.org.uk]
Sent: 2001-09-25 18:40
To: LF Group
Subject: LF: Doppler effect.

Dear all.
 
I have the Argo screen-shots of ZL6QH recorded in Papua New Guinea, a path of about 4,700km. This is not very different from out trans-Atlantic tests but Ricks traces show a Doppler effect around midnight which spreads the signal over about 0.1Hz, I have never seen this on a 136k trans-Atlantic trace.
Have a look at the shots on http://www.wireless.org.uk/newspic63.htm and see what you think.
 
Rick has calculated that the reflecting medium would have to have a velocity of around 100m/sec, assuming a double hop, to cause this kind of shift.
 
Any propagation brains care to speculate on the cause of this, and is there a reason why we haven't seen it on 136? 
 
73.
Dave.
G3YXM


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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28119 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 07:08:25 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 07:08:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10840 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 07:08:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 07:08:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15m8l5-0006cN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:05:27 +0100 Received: from k2.pncl.co.uk ([212.35.226.183]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15m8l4-0006cI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:05:26 +0100 Received: from 233.pncl.co.uk (171.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk [212.35.234.171]) by k2.pncl.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8Q74hK13122 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:04:43 +0100 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010926081013.00a74690@mail.pncl.co.uk> X-Sender: blanch@mail.pncl.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:10:58 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Walter Blanchard" Subject: Re: LF: HF convention In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 15:34 25/09/01 Tuesday, M0BMU wrote: >Dear LF Group, > >Just wondering - who from the LF group is planning to go to the >Windsor convention this year, and is anyone planning to go to the >"DX dinner" on Saturday night? > >Cheers, Jim Moritz >73 de M0BMU Me, too. Walter G3JKV. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29572 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 06:34:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 06:34:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18786 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 06:34:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 06:34:13 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15m842-0006B4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 07:20:58 +0100 Received: from siaag1aa.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.3]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15m840-0006Az-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 07:20:57 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1aa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id CAA28631 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 02:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 02:19:41 -0400 From: "Holger 'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: Re: LF: HF convention To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200109260220_MC3-E11C-4A7F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello LF friends, >James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > Just wondering - who from the LF group is planning to go to the > Windsor convention this year, and is anyone planning to go to the > "DX dinner" on Saturday night? > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > >I plan to attend >73 >André N4ICK< ... unfortunately most probably I will not be able to make it this time, because I have got no idea for a new t-shirt (and I am bound by some other activity at that weekend.) Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) P.S.: André, I am very glad to see that you are well ... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23316 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 05:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 05:50:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 25660 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 05:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 05:49:00 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15m7TC-0005jx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 06:42:54 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15m7TB-0005js-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 06:42:53 +0100 Received: from [62.7.2.83] (helo=dave) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15m7Re-0006El-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 06:41:19 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c1464e$4d444e00$5302073e@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: LF: Re: HF convention Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:24:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: James Moritz wrote: >Just wondering - who from the LF group is planning to go to the >Windsor convention this year, and is anyone planning to go to the >"DX dinner" on Saturday night? Myself and Steve GW4ALG will be there on the Saturday and at the dinner. 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2849 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 05:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 05:38:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 7693 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 05:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 05:38:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15m7La-0005j0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 06:35:02 +0100 Received: from mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.17]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15m7LZ-0005is-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 06:35:02 +0100 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.181.84]) by mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20010926053333.WNRI2485360.mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:33:33 +1200 Message-ID: <011401c1464c$f282c600$36b21bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <007f01c14648$14784320$36b21bca@xtr743187> Subject: LF: ZL4MD too Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:33:14 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi all,
 
My announcement omitted the call sign of Kevin ZL4MD as a participant in the TransPac tests.  The following is a corrected first sentence.  Would anyone publishing the material please add the call sign.
 
On Saturday 22 September ZL6QH, ZL3PN, ZL3JE, ZL4OL, ZL4MD and AX2TAR (VK7ZAL) transmitted test signals in the 165 - 190 kHz band, for so-called trans-Pacific tests. 
 
Thanks,
 
Bob ZL2CA 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15070 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 05:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 05:07:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 5208 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 05:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 05:07:09 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15m6nd-0005IB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 05:59:57 +0100 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.13]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15m6nb-0005I6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 05:59:56 +0100 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.181.52]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20010926045842.YCII3395984.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 16:58:42 +1200 Message-ID: <007f01c14648$14784320$36b21bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: LF: VE7SL receives ZL6QH, again Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 16:59:05 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi all,
 
Following is the text of an announcement to the amateur radio media.  I will email the Argo file to personal addresses, on request.
 
73, Bob ZL2CA 
 
 A SECOND CLAIM OF ZL TO VE AMATEUR LF DX   26 September 2001

On Saturday 22 September ZL6QH, ZL3PN, ZL3JE, ZL4OL and AX2TAR (VK7ZAL) transmitted test signals in the 165 - 190 kHz band, for so-called trans-Pacific tests.  Various DX listeners had prior knowledge of the schedule of individual test frequency and coding used by each station.

As occurred in the 30 June trans-Pacific tests, Steve VE7SL managed to receive signals from ZL6QH before VE7 dawn.  This time VE7SL obtained an Argo capture of both frequencies of the DFCW transmission.  The path length is estimated to be 11,709 km.

Refer to the associated Argo graphic.  The ZL6QH signal is in the lower half of the screen.  The transmitted signal used dual frequency keying, with 0.4 Hz frequency shift.  The uniquely coded transmission consisted of repetitive sending of QQQQQ… sent as 184.4001, 184.4001, 184.3997, 184.4001 kHz and then a gap, with all elements being of 120 seconds (2 minutes) duration.  This means sending a single Q took ten minutes.

The Argo graphic of the VE7SL reception shows inverted audio FSK , but otherwise agrees with the dot length, sequence and frequency shift of the ZL6QH transmission.  The explanation for the inversion is that the Icom IC-R75 receiver used by VE7SL happens to give inverted FSK in the audio output when used in the normal CW mode.  VE7SL used an RF signal generator to subsequently verify that an Argo trace (showing receiver audio output) went lower in frequency when the RF frequency went higher.  Note that the parallel vertical red lines in the centre of the Argo graphic are a software option for selecting either short or long "ticks" and once selected, a tick stays on the screen.  The left side of the long tick is close to 40 minutes before the 1401 UTC sunrise at VE7SL.  The signal faded rapidly about 3 minutes after sunrise.  It was still dark in New Zealand at VE7 sunrise.

The ZL6QH LF signal was generated using a modified TS-850SAT, in SSB mode, fed with audio from a lap top PC, using soundcard software developed by Steve VK2ZTO.  TS-850 frequency control was by means of a high performance TCXO master oscillator.  The low level LF signal from the TS-850 transverter port was fed to an external LF power amplifier, and the output power was around 500 watts.  The radiated power is estimated to be 5 watts.  The antenna was a long wire at the Quartz Hill club station, which is run by the Wellington Amateur Radio Club.  The ZL6QH operators were Andrew ZL2BBJ and Bob ZL2CA. 

ZL6QH is seeking permission to transmit in the 136 kHz band, which could widen the scope of testing beyond "trans-Pacific", and give European listeners a better chance at receiving amateur LF DX from down-under. 

 

Bob Vernall ZL2CA

Organiser of the Trans-Pacific tests

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21118 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 20:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 20:35:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15107 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 20:33:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 20:33:22 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lymS-0000M2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 21:26:12 +0100 Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.97]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lymR-0000Lx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 21:26:12 +0100 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id l.122.4ee799e (16788) for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:25:20 -0400 (EDT) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <122.4ee799e.28e24230@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:25:20 EDT Subject: LF: ALPHA back on, plus CMEs & Aurora To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10504 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Group,

I just received the Info from a VLF experimenter (not a radio amateur) that the ALPHA system seems to be back on. He observed signals on 11.905kHz and 12.649kHz. I have not verified this yet (because my neighbours dimmers and TV still running) but I will as soon as possible.

Other topic:
Another coronal mass eruption is on its way, it will hit the earth later this night (Sat 25). No Aurora signals audible on 144 MHz from SK4MPI yet (at 20:00 UTC), but very good signals can be expected later (if you are also active on this band). The Northern Lights may be so strong that -with a little luck- they can be seen even in the mediterranean area.
Maybe also interesting to monitor LF beacons tonight, as Alan told earlier. Think I'll get up at 02:00 UTC in the morning to see what's going on on LF and VHF.

Good night,
 Wolf  DL4YHF.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11522 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 19:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 19:54:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 9343 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 19:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 19:52:38 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lyB7-0008RA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:47:37 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.47]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lyB6-0008R3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:47:36 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.104.104.192]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010925194656.WZBN710.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:46:56 +0100 Message-ID: <002301c145fa$f4b30cc0$c06868d5@oemcomputer> From: "mike.dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: LF: Re: HF convention Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:47:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: > Just wondering - who from the LF group is planning to go to the > Windsor convention this year, and is anyone planning to go to the > "DX dinner" on Saturday night? > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU I will be there from Friday evening to Sunday, including the dinner. I =hope= to be able to attend the LF Forum this year as I do not expect to be taking photos of trophies. I will be displaying the RSGB's recruitment vehicle (callsign GB4FUN) at the show. Mike, G3XDV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 286 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 19:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 19:49:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 25764 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 19:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 19:47:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ly5M-0008Qu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:41:40 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.47]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ly5L-0008Qp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:41:39 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.104.104.192]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010925194059.WUYN710.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:40:59 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c145fa$1fef46c0$c06868d5@oemcomputer> From: "mike.dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002901c145a3$ce607be0$8233893e@g3aqc> Subject: LF: Re: Re. "is there anyone there" Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:41:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I will be active again on 136kHz shortly but at present the station is still not properly rebuilt after my decorating. I am keen to make more transatlantic crossings. My web pages are available for anyone wanting to share intercontinental DX info. 73 Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17666 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 18:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 18:03:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 3627 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 18:02:46 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 18:02:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lwSx-0007Q5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:57:55 +0100 Received: from out4.prserv.net ([32.97.166.34] helo=prserv.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lwSw-0007Pz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:57:54 +0100 Received: from ieee.org (slip-32-103-17-106.md.us.prserv.net[32.103.17.106]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <200109251757062040329m3me>; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:57:07 +0000 Message-ID: <3BB0C67C.4E5F23C4@ieee.org> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:01:32 -0400 From: "Andre Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: HF convention References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > Just wondering - who from the LF group is planning to go to the > Windsor convention this year, and is anyone planning to go to the > "DX dinner" on Saturday night? > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU I plan to attend 73 André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20490 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 17:49:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 17:49:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 22579 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 17:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 17:49:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lwCV-0007Gs-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:40:55 +0100 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lwCU-0007Gm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:40:54 +0100 Received: from [217.35.38.82] (helo=dellboy) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15lwBq-000432-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:40:14 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c145e9$1b3d8e40$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Subject: LF: Doppler effect. Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:39:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear all.
 
I have the Argo screen-shots of ZL6QH recorded in Papua New Guinea, a path of about 4,700km. This is not very different from out trans-Atlantic tests but Ricks traces show a Doppler effect around midnight which spreads the signal over about 0.1Hz, I have never seen this on a 136k trans-Atlantic trace.
Have a look at the shots on http://www.wireless.org.uk/newspic63.htm and see what you think.
 
Rick has calculated that the reflecting medium would have to have a velocity of around 100m/sec, assuming a double hop, to cause this kind of shift.
 
Any propagation brains care to speculate on the cause of this, and is there a reason why we haven't seen it on 136? 
 
73.
Dave.
G3YXM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17768 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 17:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 17:22:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20444 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 17:20:07 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 17:20:07 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lvl3-0006yr-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:12:33 +0100 Received: from [204.202.140.198] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lvl2-0006ym-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:12:32 +0100 Received: from gomailjtp00 ([10.212.0.160]) by mta06.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0GK800MNSA8Q87@mta06.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:07:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "JOHN SEXTON" Subject: LF: Fw: [lofexp] VK3ACA LF reception To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <4704810.1001437662196.JavaMail.G4CNN@gomailjtp00> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: -----Original Message----- From: "Vernall" To: lofexp@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon Sep 24 01:09:31 PDT 2001 Subject: [lofexp] VK3ACA LF reception >Hi all,> >John VK3ACA has advised me that he copied several of the TransPac signals >last Saturday. I've asked if he could check in to the 80 metre LF liaison >net this Thursday evening to give signal reports. > >73, Bob ZL2CA > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> >Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? >Donate cash, emergency relief information >http://us.click.yahoo.com/d49MCB/3WDDAA/ySSFAA/NO4qlB/TM >---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18183 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 17:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 17:19:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 2718 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 17:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 17:19:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lviA-0006yK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:09:34 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lvi8-0006yF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:09:32 +0100 Received: from abc (man-s116.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.41.243]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id f8PH8pA30827 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:08:51 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c145e4$c77b6f60$f329f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: LF: Re: HF convention Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:01:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I'm going to the Saturday only. 73 de John Rabson G3PAI ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:34 PM Subject: LF: HF convention > Dear LF Group, > > Just wondering - who from the LF group is planning to go to the > Windsor convention this year, and is anyone planning to go to the > "DX dinner" on Saturday night? > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16234 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 14:47:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 14:47:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (qmail 11619 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 14:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 14:14:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lstg-0005C7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:09:16 +0100 Received: from ham1.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.17.241] helo=9a0tcp.ampr.org) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lstZ-0005C2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:09:10 +0100 X-BBS-Msg-Type: P Date: Tue, 25 Sep 01 14:07:32 GMT Message-ID: <13474@9A0TCP> From: dl8aam@9a0tcp.ampr.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: [FWD]:[WUN] fwd: New Japanese LF station Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit ----- Forwarded message ----- >From owner-wun@listserver.qth.net Tue Sep 25 11:39:45 2001 Received: from listserver.qth.net [63.238.179.180] by 9a0tcp.ampr.org (TNOS_ZAGREB) with SMTP id AA39744 ; Tue, 25 Sep 01 11:39:42 GMT Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by listserver.qth.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f8PBdfj20734; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 07:39:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: listserver.qth.net: mail owned process doing -bs Received: by listserver.qth.net (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 25 Sep 2001 07:39:33 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by listserver.qth.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f8PBdUv20691 for wun-outgoing; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 07:39:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: listserver.qth.net: majordom set sender to owner-wun@qth.net using -f Received: from 9a0tcp.ampr.org (ham1.cc.fer.hr [161.53.17.241]) by listserver.qth.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f8PBdN820687 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 07:39:26 -0400 X-BBS-Msg-Type: P Date: Tue, 25 Sep 01 11:34:47 GMT Message-Id: <13449@9A0TCP> Sender: dl8aam@9a0tcp.ampr.org From: dl8aam@9a0tcp.ampr.org To: dl8aam@9a0tcp.ampr.org Subject: [WUN] fwd: New Japanese LF station Sender: owner-wun@qth.net Reply-To: dl8aam@9a0tcp.ampr.org VLF @WW de:G3VGW 24.09.01 18:51 365 3147 Bytes New Japanese VLF station *** Bulletin-ID: 7886-GB7DBY *** From: G3VGW @ GB7DBY.#23.GBR.EU 24th. September 2001 Hello SWLs, Here is news about a new VLF station in Japan, extracted from the Internet bulletins of Wolfgang, DF5SX. ------- JAPAN According to their Press Release, the second VLF standard freq stationn JJY will start regular 24 hr transmission from around 0230 UTC on October 1st. The new station is located at Mt. Hagane, Saga prefecture, Kyushu Isl, and covers western Japan. The signal format is the same as the first station on 40 kHz. Freq: 60 kHz Power: 50 kW Aerial: 200 metre umbrella type. Type of Signal: A1B. The first VLF station has already been in operation on 40 kHz from Mt. Ootakadoya, Fukushima prefecture, with 50 kW, to cover eastern Japan. As for the 60 kHz station, QSLs are not issued for the reception of their test signal before September. But nothing is said about the QSL policy after October the 1st. Address: JPN Standard Time Group, Communications Research Laboratory, Nukuikitamachi 4-2-1, Koganei City, Tokyo, 184-8795 Japan. E-mail: FAX: +81 42 327 6686 URL: (Takahito Akabayashi-JPN, Sep 20) ------- --------------- 73, Tom - DL8AAM PS: Did anbody heard any sign of the new japanese experimental station on 5006.0 and 8006.0 kHz (carrier with occasional CW IDs should be a reseach station for the doppler-effect ?!? -- The Worldwide UTE News (WUN) mailing list. WUN is a non-profit, dues-free club established in 1995 to share information on shortwave utilities. For more information: http://www.wunclub.com. Write to listmaster@wunclub.com if you need assistance with the mailing list. ----- End of forwarded message ----- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2626 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 14:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 14:25:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 4005 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 14:24:04 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 14:24:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lt0W-0005DA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:16:20 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lt0V-0005D5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:16:19 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15lszr-0003VE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:15:39 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=mj9ar) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 15lszr-00036f-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:15:39 +0100 From: "James Moritz" Organization: University of Hertfordshire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:18:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: Results of antenna tests X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF group,

I have now made a total of 155 field strength measurements on 135.923kHz, all using the same antenna with 2A antenna current. I suspect this is the most detailed FS measurements yet done on an amateur 136k antenna, and some of the results are quite interesting.

The antenna is an inverted L, with slightly over 8m average height, and a single top wire 40m long running east (the feed end) to west. The antenna current was measured at the bottom of the downlead, where it joins the loading coil. I made measurements at distances between 148m and 8.1km, with a wide range of different directions between TX and RX. The equipment used was my homebrew, car- mounted, ferrite rod antenna and preamp, with an SPM-3 selective level meter. This combination was calibrated using a Helmholz coil arrangement. Distance and bearing between TX and RX was measured using a GPS receiver.

I worked out the ERP in dBW for each measurement, an d plotted these results against the distances and bearings at which the measurements were taken, using a spreadsheet. The graph of ERP vs. distance shows that at ranges below about 600m, the calculated ERP increases rapidly, suggesting this distance is the minimum that could be considered "far field". There are also several points where the ERP was 10- 15dB higher than average; plotting ERP against bearing revealed that these occur in a sharp peak around a bearing of 270 degrees, up to a distance of 1km or so. It turned out that all these points were measured on Bulls Lane, a road going due west from my QTH. Closer inspection showed that there are overhead phone lines on poles along this road, one of which connects to my QTH. The overhead lines run parallel to my antenna within 10m in places, so I expect the unusually high FSs were due to signals being coupled into, and propagating along, the phone wires. The wires go into buried cables after ab out 1.2km, and the field strength returns to normal.

The area in which I live is a mixture of urban and countryside; in urban areas there are many buildings, while in the rural areas there are overhead phone or power lines by the sides of most roads. This makes "ideal" locations for field strength measurements hard to find, so most measurements were made at less than perfect locations. In spite of this, the ERP figures for most points are within 2 or 3dB of the average, showing quite consistent measurements can be made under these conditions. I tried returning to the same location on subsequent days; the measurements were within a 1dB range. Also G3NYK supplied some plots of the test signal received at his QTH; these remained stable within 1dB or so as well. So one can be reasonably confident that the observed variations are due to the location, and not drift in TX output or RX sensitivity.

I looked at potential causes of changing E RP results - apart from the phone lines and short distances, I found that in at least one case, measuring on top of a motorway bridge enhanced the signal level by a few dB. Once I had excluded these deviant measurement points, the average ERP was -11.2dBW, equivalent to a (geometric) mean of 75mW, compared to a calculated value of 150mW. There was little evidence of directional behaviour of the antenna, although there is perhaps a slight "bump" of 1 or 2 dB around 120degrees bearing. Interestingly. this is roughly the direction the aerial masts at Brookmans Park transmitting station are in, so they might be having a slight parasitic effect. However, there are only a few points in this direction, and they were all taken on one road, the Ridgeway, which as one would expect is elevated above the surrounding ground.

The conclusions so far - it is possible to make reasonably consistent field strength measurements on amateur LF antennas, provid ed sufficiently detailed measurements are available to identify disturbing factors, which can cause errors of 10dB or more. In the mixed urban and rural environment in which these measurements were done, one can expect variation of about +/- 3dB between measurements - repeating a measurement at the same location gives results within 1dB. The "far field", where field strength is inversely proportional to distance, starts at about 600m distance in the case of this antenna. At shorter distances, the field strength decreases more rapidly with distance. The measured ERP is 3dB down on the calculated value in this case, roughly in line with previous measurements. As would be expected, there is little or no directional behaviour in a 40m long, 8m high inverted L at 136kHz.

If anyone would like to play around with the figures I have so far, I have all the data in an Excel spreadsheet, which I could e-mail to them. I originally tried to post a coupl e of the graphs to the reflector, but it was having none of it, so if anyone would like to see the results let me know, and I'll send them individually.

I plan to do similar tests using different antennas, and also on 73kHz, in the near future.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27525 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 14:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 14:09:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 5098 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 13:37:05 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 13:37:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lsJf-0004ka-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:32:03 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lsJe-0004kV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:32:02 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15lsIz-0000Qw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:31:21 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=mj9ar) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 15lsIy-0002HA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:31:20 +0100 From: "James Moritz" Organization: University of Hertfordshire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:34:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: HF convention X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Just wondering - who from the LF group is planning to go to the Windsor convention this year, and is anyone planning to go to the "DX dinner" on Saturday night? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15028 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 14:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 14:02:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 990 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 13:32:35 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 13:32:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lsCI-0004ji-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:24:26 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from relay.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.49]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lsCG-0004jb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:24:25 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (qmail 23901 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 14:23:44 +0100 Received: from trtnmail.dera.gov.uk (146.80.9.56) by relay.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 14:23:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 17187 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 14:28:50 +0100 Received: (ofmipd 192.5.29.90); 25 Sep 2001 13:28:28 -0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id OAA12290; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:30:54 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 32602 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 14:12:51 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk (172.16.9.10) by baton.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 14:12:51 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk; id NAA12663; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:55:55 GMT Received: from unknown(10.71.64.31) by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma012635; Tue, 25 Sep 01 13:55:23 GMT Received: from mailex.dera.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dera.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:25:19 +0100 Received: (qmail 25638 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 13:09:16 +0100 Date: 25 Sep 2001 14:22:16 +0100 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C5C6@PDW-MAIL-R1> From: "Andrew Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-5Received: from softdnserror (HELO cchecker.dstl.gov.uk) (192.168.248.52) by mailex.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 12:09:16 -0000 X-4Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by cchecker.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:08:29 +0100 X-3Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)id ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:22:21 +0100 Subject: LF: RE: re DDS purity MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In my latest LF Receiver project, I use a 9850 DDS clocked from a low phase noise 10MHz source, to directly generate the LO of 455 to 605kHz for mixing 0 - 150 up to 455kHz IF. The DDS filter is a customised Chebyshev design passing just the wanted band and, together with the DDS overclocking, means there are no spurious products at frequencies that could cause problems with the frequency upconversion plan. The image in the MF broadcast band (910 - 1060kHz) my main real design problem, and that was overcome with a high order LPF on the input giving over 100dB rejection in this region. When used with a resonant antenna for LF, this rejection level proved sufficient to make image signals inaudible. I can bring this Rx along to the HF Convention. One use for a DDS I intend to look at shortly, is using the image response for multiplying up to microwaves. By clocking an AD9851 at 150MHz, and set for 42MHz output, but instead of the normal Low Pass FIlter, use a bandpass filter at the first image response of Fclock - Fout, ie 108MHz in this case. Then by multiplying by 96 in a conventional multiplier stage that will give a signal at 10368MHz, with a very low phase noise determined only by that of the clock oscillator multiplied up. A good quality VHF Butler oscillator as used on uWaves is more than adequate for that. Andy G4JNT > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Melia [mailto:Alan.Melia@btinternet.com] > Sent: 2001-09-25 11:22 > To: LF-Group > Subject: LF: re DDS purity > > > Hi Andy thanks for the comment and resoring my faith. I was a little > confused after the discussion about using a PLL to 'clean a > DDS up' earlier > this year and a coment from Dan Tayloe on the hoembrew > newsgroup which I > past for interest. > -----excerpt-------------------------------- > DDSs are kind of dirty as they are really designed for transmitters > (certainly clean enough for that) or for cellular phone reception for > signals of with limited dynamic range (such as a cellular basestation > using power control of all the phones in its area). > > -------------------------------- > He is talking about what is virtually a DC receiver, using a > DDS as the LO. > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > Alan.Melia@btinternet.com > > > -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6021 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 11:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 11:40:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 18371 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 11:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 11:08:35 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lq01-0003Nv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:03:37 +0100 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176] helo=protactinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lq00-0003Nq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:03:36 +0100 Received: from [213.1.77.86] (helo=default) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15lpzM-0006fH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:02:57 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c145b1$23215700$564d01d5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: X-ray flare enhancement Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:53:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all there was a large X-ray flare classed as an X3.0 at 1030z yesterday (Mon 24th). I now have the data from Brian's (CT1DRP) plot of DCF39 ( a path length of 1987 kms) for that period. This shows that there was about a 15dB peak enhancement to the average conditions at that time of day on the path from DCF39 to Porto. This would not be so evident where the ground wave signals are stronger than those produced by the ionospheric 'reflection', but it should have been evident at path distances in excess of about 700kms, for amateur signal strengths. The interesting thing is that the enhancement, over average daytime levels for the last two weeks, exceeded 10dB over a period of about 60 minutes, in other words a very usable 'lift' for inter EU contacts There are forecasts of the possibility of more flares in the M and X class from the same region, so if there are any OH, OM, S52, HA stations around It could pay to keep an eye on the NOAA site. This will give a real-time display of the the GOES satellite X-ray detectors, any levels over M1.0 can give useful enhancements. This is a daylight only effect and the enhancements seem best between about 09000z and about 1600z at this time of year. Thanks to Brian for a great bit of continuous data logging. Cheers de Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17073 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 11:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 11:09:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 19406 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 11:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 11:08:22 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lpzy-0003Nm-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:03:34 +0100 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176] helo=protactinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lpzx-0003Ng-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:03:33 +0100 Received: from [213.1.77.86] (helo=default) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15lpzJ-0006fH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:02:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c145b1$214ce520$564d01d5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: re DDS purity Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:21:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Andy thanks for the comment and resoring my faith. I was a little confused after the discussion about using a PLL to 'clean a DDS up' earlier this year and a coment from Dan Tayloe on the hoembrew newsgroup which I past for interest. -----excerpt-------------------------------- DDSs are kind of dirty as they are really designed for transmitters (certainly clean enough for that) or for cellular phone reception for signals of with limited dynamic range (such as a cellular basestation using power control of all the phones in its area). -------------------------------- He is talking about what is virtually a DC receiver, using a DDS as the LO. Cheers de Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8231 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 09:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 09:29:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 20033 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 09:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 09:27:13 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15loPO-0002MC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:21:42 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.174]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15loPM-0002M7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:21:41 +0100 Received: from modem-2.powder-brown-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.51.130] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15lo6l-0001vy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:02:28 +0100 Message-ID: <002901c145a3$ce607be0$8233893e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. "is there anyone there" Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:23:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Alan Melia sent me a message today asking wether anyone
intended  any T/A activity this year. We are already past the time
when last year the first crossings were made.
I would like to improve on my 73KHz sighting my John and thanks to Peter G3LDO have a Decca TX ready to go !
There is also still much to do on136 including a hand keyed crossing !
I am ready to beacon on 73 or 136 whenever anyone is ready to
listen.
73s Laurie.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22760 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 07:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 07:59:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 14338 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 07:59:04 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 07:59:04 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lmzM-0001VV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:50:44 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from relay.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.49]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lmzK-0001VP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:50:42 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (qmail 24078 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 08:50:02 +0100 Received: from trtnmail.dera.gov.uk (146.80.9.56) by relay.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 08:50:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 13355 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 08:55:08 +0100 Received: (ofmipd 192.5.29.90); 25 Sep 2001 07:54:46 -0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id IAA31723; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:57:12 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 14066 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 08:39:11 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk (172.16.9.10) by baton.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 08:39:10 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk; id IAA19210; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:22:14 GMT Received: from unknown(10.71.64.31) by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma019178; Tue, 25 Sep 01 08:22:03 GMT Received: from mailex.dera.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dera.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:51:57 +0100 Received: (qmail 27197 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 07:35:55 +0100 Date: 25 Sep 2001 08:48:55 +0100 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C5C4@PDW-MAIL-R1> From: "Andrew Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-5Received: from softdnserror (HELO cchecker.dstl.gov.uk) (192.168.248.52) by mailex.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 06:35:55 -0000 X-4Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by cchecker.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 07:35:09 +0100 X-3Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)id ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:49:00 +0100 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: IC-706 on LF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >>From Alan G3NYK > us lesser mortals it is barely adequate. I was also quite taken aback by the > "chunder" that could be heard with no signal at 136k, this is probably the > PLL reference. It is something I do not hear on the 7030 (even at the 10nV > level) despite DDS LOs not being famed for their quietness. DDS LOs are extremally quiet - there is no added phase noise due to the synthesizer process and the phase noise you do get is that of the clock divided by the frequency synthesis ratio. There can be spurious frequency products at well defined levels, but they can usually be dealt with by filtering and proper frequency planning. You are probably thinking of PLL synthesizer phase noise Andy G4JNT -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20920 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2001 21:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Sep 2001 21:13:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 11325 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2001 21:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 24 Sep 2001 21:12:05 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lctu-00044e-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:04:26 +0100 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lctt-00044Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:04:26 +0100 Received: from [213.122.11.115] (helo=presario1920) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15lctG-0004uv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:03:46 +0100 From: "John W Gould" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RSGB HF Convention - LF matters Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:10:31 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thanks for the useful suggestion for an extra session. I agree that it's worth putting on. So far the agenda for this session includes: a) G4JNT outlining his QRO TX b) Crawley Club report on MB7LF - G3YSX to arrange c) 2 papers from "Crawley Round Table" - G3YSX to arrange I will enquire whether we can use the 2pm slot, though that may upset the plans to keep it clear for Martti's keynote presentation. Short of that we could run the session at 1800 on Saturday. Watch this space.... ---- As a separate issue I am preparing the agenda for the LF Forum. So far it looks like: a) Presentation of RSGB LF Experimenter's Award, The Nevada Cup for 2001 b) Presentation of DARC, AMRAD, RSGB Transatlantic Challenge Awards and Certificates c) 136kHz - report on RSGB and IARU Region 1 activities(G3WKL) d) 500kHz - report on RSGB proposal(G3WKL) Grateful for suggestions for additions to this list 73 John Gould G3WKL -----Original Message----- From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf Of G0MRF@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 17:48 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: October IOTA/HF Conference ? In a message dated 9/10/01 8:19:00 AM GMT Daylight Time, stewart.bryant@virgin.net writes: << The main Saturday agenda seems full (I suggest that we stick to Sat to make it a single day), but I would imagine that we could ask to use one of the rooms after the official programme. Any interest, any thoughts about the topics? Stewart G3YSX >> Hi Stewart. Best to contact John Gould G3WKL who has traditionally arranged the agenda. David G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19564 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2001 18:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Sep 2001 18:11:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 23233 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2001 18:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 24 Sep 2001 18:10:16 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15la4J-0002FO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:02:59 +0100 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15la4I-0002FJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:02:58 +0100 Received: from [62.7.52.246] (helo=default) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15la3Q-00057J-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:02:06 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c14522$8c19f300$f634073e@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Re: IC-706 on LF Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:57:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Ian, I made some measurements with my rather older TF2002B, on a GII I borrowed from a friend to check for LF performance. My results sound similar to yours....I reckoned it would need between 20 and 40 dB of pre-amp at 136 to give the 100nV sensitivity I get on the AOR 7030. I did not bother with 73k at the time. If you have a very big aerial like Mal's I suppose you get such a lot of signal (and noise!) that you couldn't use much more gain. For us lesser mortals it is barely adequate. I was also quite taken aback by the "chunder" that could be heard with no signal at 136k, this is probably the PLL reference. It is something I do not hear on the 7030 (even at the 10nV level) despite DDS LOs not being famed for their quietness. Stick with it, we look forward to hearing another station from your region (particularly on 73!!) Finbar is keeping the flag flying on 136k at the moment. He is consistantly heard here on the East Coast (Nr Woodbridge, Suffolk) at about 579 these days, and is now working into Germany. Cheers de Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com -----Original Message----- From: Ian Kyle To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 24 September 2001 17:12 Subject: LF: Re: IC-706 on LF >Re 706s, >I have found my nice new IC 706GII to be a dead duck for 73 KHz receive. >I agree with Mike that it is usable on 136 with a bit of assistance, but not >on the lower band. > >Not hearing much on one band and *!*!*! all in the other, I decided to do a >proper test. If anyone is interested, the CW 10dB S+N/N in the narrow filter >(270Hz) checked using a TF2008 sig.gen. (admittedly not recently calibrated >but within a dB or so against a known source) at the two frequencies was - > >136 KHz 10uV p.d. > >73 KHz 83uV p.d. > >Now unless I happen to have a particularly dud sample, it would seem that >there is a pretty good HPF in there. > >Due to circumstances beyond my control (building works to provide a 'boys >dorm' for visiting grandsons and a home for the dispossessed shack/computer >suite/workshop in a new 'west wing') it will be at least November before >regular transmissions can be made on LF, but I do intend to keep the promise >I made earlier this year. The only good thing to come out of all the >excavation and general flapdoodle is that I got a five leg earth mat down >under the founds of the extension. > >73 de, > >Ian > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25253 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2001 16:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Sep 2001 16:20:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 4859 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2001 16:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 24 Sep 2001 16:18:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lYIg-000158-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:09:42 +0100 Received: from mta8-svc.virgin.net ([62.253.164.48]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lYIf-000151-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:09:41 +0100 Received: from ian ([62.252.132.125]) by mta8-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010924160901.YXCQ13194.mta8-svc.virgin.net@ian> for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:09:01 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c1450b$4532d2c0$7d84fc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002401c1441c$2c856fc0$5e6a68d5@oemcomputer> Subject: LF: Re: IC-706 on LF Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:03:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Re 706s, I have found my nice new IC 706GII to be a dead duck for 73 KHz receive. I agree with Mike that it is usable on 136 with a bit of assistance, but not on the lower band. Not hearing much on one band and *!*!*! all in the other, I decided to do a proper test. If anyone is interested, the CW 10dB S+N/N in the narrow filter (270Hz) checked using a TF2008 sig.gen. (admittedly not recently calibrated but within a dB or so against a known source) at the two frequencies was - 136 KHz 10uV p.d. 73 KHz 83uV p.d. Now unless I happen to have a particularly dud sample, it would seem that there is a pretty good HPF in there. Due to circumstances beyond my control (building works to provide a 'boys dorm' for visiting grandsons and a home for the dispossessed shack/computer suite/workshop in a new 'west wing') it will be at least November before regular transmissions can be made on LF, but I do intend to keep the promise I made earlier this year. The only good thing to come out of all the excavation and general flapdoodle is that I got a five leg earth mat down under the founds of the extension. 73 de, Ian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7858 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2001 11:52:40 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Sep 2001 11:52:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7702 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2001 11:52:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 24 Sep 2001 11:52:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lU8H-0006wR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:42:41 +0100 Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lU8G-0006wM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:42:40 +0100 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA115432 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:41:59 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20010924124030.2fcf84d8@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:40:30 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Anritsu Manual In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello David, If nobody turns up with the manual you could give it a try at one of the addresses you can find here : http://www.eu.anritsu.com/uk/contacts/ 73, Rik ON7YD At 05:21 24/09/01 EDT, you wrote: >Hello All. > >I made an unexpected purchase at the Leicester rally last weekend. >I wonder if anyone has any idea where I could find either an operators or >service manual for an Anritsu MS62B Specrum Analyser? > >It works OK, but I would like to try and build a tracking generator for it >and need to know a little about the signals it provides on the back panel. > >Thanks > >73 > >David G0MRF > > > >Attachment Converted: "C:\EUDORA\ATTACH\LFAnrits.htm" > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9498 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2001 11:28:43 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Sep 2001 11:28:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 15903 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2001 11:26:37 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 24 Sep 2001 11:26:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lTja-0006dt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:17:10 +0100 Received: from phobos.unica.co.uk ([208.239.240.147]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lTjY-0006dn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:17:09 +0100 Received: from [192.108.125.37] (helo=ns3.swh.sk) by phobos.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 15lS7K-0007Us-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:33:35 -0400 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f8O9Ypm03158 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:34:51 +0200 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA15833 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:32:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:32:50 +0200 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333BF55@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" Subject: LF: Weekend 22-23.9.2001 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:32:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi LF-ers... Last weekend I did my last TX tests from my home QTH for the incoming weekend LF-meeting. Condx were good, but QRN level on saturday was very high. Sunday much better. I've worked DF6NM, DJ1ZB a DL3FDO (for the first time), all on CW. I hope to see you on 136 next weekend. Mainly CW, because my VXO is working only in the range 136.31-137.58 so if you want a QRSS QSO, look on 137.58 or send me an E-mail for the sked. Best regards... Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11486 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2001 11:26:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Sep 2001 11:26:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15992 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2001 11:26:41 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 24 Sep 2001 11:26:41 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lTjP-0006dj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:16:59 +0100 Received: from phobos.unica.co.uk ([208.239.240.147]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15lTjN-0006de-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:16:58 +0100 Received: from [64.12.136.161] (helo=imo-m06.mx.aol.com) by phobos.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 15lS05-0007UE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:26:05 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id l.bb.1452bc85 (3996) for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:21:37 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:21:37 EDT Subject: LF: Anritsu Manual To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10505 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello All.

I made an unexpected purchase at the Leicester rally last weekend.
I wonder if anyone has any idea where I could find either an operators or service manual for an Anritsu MS62B  Specrum Analyser?

It works OK, but I would like to try and build a tracking generator for it and need to know a little about the signals it provides on the back panel.

Thanks

73

David  G0MRF

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20532 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2001 10:49:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Sep 2001 10:49:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 11896 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2001 10:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 23 Sep 2001 10:48:47 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15l6gW-0001hY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:40:28 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.46]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15l6gV-0001hT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:40:27 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.104.106.94]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010923103943.SIBH268.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:39:43 +0100 Message-ID: <002401c1441c$2c856fc0$5e6a68d5@oemcomputer> From: "mike.dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: LF: IC-706 on LF Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:40:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: > - IC706 ( the 'old' one, no MK2, with 270 Hz filter): > Very deaf on 136kHz, no matter if the preamp is on or off. > Turning the VFO knob OR THE VOLUME CONTROL results > in a hissing sound, which stops after the motion. > Looks like the rig picks up some noise from its own serial interface > between the front panel and the microcontroller ! > Hopefully the IC706 MK2 ( & -G) are better at 136kHz. > At 77kHz, I cannot even hear the DCF time signal transmitter near > Frankfurt... > Wolf DL4YHF. Wolf seems to be unlucky with his IC-706. I have a Mk1 which is a little deaf on 136kHz, but adding a one-transistor pre-amp makes it a very good receiver. I experience no interface noise when using the outside antenna, though a few years ago when I did a lot of 73kHz portable work, I noticed that the front panel display radiated LF for a few centimetres. The synthesiser on the 706 is excellent and during last winter's transatlantic tests it stayed within 0.1Hz for hours at a time, and once it was calibrated with Argo and BBC 198kHz it could be re-set reliably day after day. Mike, G3XDV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10407 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2001 22:07:34 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2001 22:07:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11733 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2001 22:07:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 21 Sep 2001 22:07:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15kYKV-0006rE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 22:59:27 +0100 Received: from k2.pncl.co.uk ([212.35.226.183]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15kYKV-0006r9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 22:59:27 +0100 Received: from 233.pncl.co.uk (181.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk [212.35.234.181]) by k2.pncl.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8LLweg16402 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 22:58:40 +0100 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010921230322.00a5eec0@mail.pncl.co.uk> X-Sender: blanch@mail.pncl.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 23:04:47 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Walter Blanchard" Subject: Re: LF: 134 KHz RFID In-reply-to: <$9gl6SAh5uq7MwR4@telemetry.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 08:38 21/09/01 Friday, G3OLB wrote: >134 KHz is indeed used in RFID applications here in UK. There is a toll >bridge somewhere in the North-East UK which uses 134 KHz for automatic >toll collection. I hope Datatrak doesn't jam it - they are allocated 133-135 kHz in the UK. Walter G3JKV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13784 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2001 19:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2001 19:25:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 23120 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2001 19:23:10 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 21 Sep 2001 19:23:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15kVoz-0005KN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:18:45 +0100 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15kVoy-0005Il-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:18:44 +0100 Received: from ldsas16-80-131-227.cw-visp.com ([212.137.131.227] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 15kVfo-00049J-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:09:17 +0000 Message-ID: <3BAB8410.6971C80D@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:16:48 +0100 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: CFH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Looks like CFH is back. Acty audible this evening at 1900z 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5801 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2001 12:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2001 12:08:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 18802 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2001 11:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 21 Sep 2001 11:51:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15kOj2-0000ub-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:44:08 +0100 Received: from tomts11.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.55] helo=tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15kOj1-0000uW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:44:07 +0100 Received: from server1 ([216.209.138.149]) by tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010921114255.GACJ3420.tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1> for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 07:42:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c14292$8cfd8d50$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> From: "Larry Kayser" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000101c14204$21c5d440$02f07ad5@default> Subject: LF: re LF use in the UK Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:01:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Alan: > Hi Larry I am totally astounded that an employee of such a distinguished > company bearing the name of the commercial founder of wireless, seems to > know so little about it!! Still I suppose that is what happens when you turn > it into a "plug-and-play" Telecomms firm. Their expertise was supposed to be > a major asset, its no wonder no-one gives a light for the assets on the LSE. I am fresh out of the hospital here after 5 days of emergency treatment and still a little woozy to say the least of it. If you want some humour sometime, and goodness knows we could use a little humour these last few days, this got to me via a friend who saw the frequency mentioned in the email. His interrupt was pulled hard and he forwarded it on to me. I am still off the air here, repairs will have to wait until I can get around a little easier. I got into a fight with another wasp and this time I went into anaphylactic shock. The wasp got me at 8:44 AM on Tuesday the 11th. Precursor of things to come maybe. At the moment I am looking to borrow an F-15, F-18 or similar for just a few minutes so I can have round two of my own little War here. More when I have a little more in me to contribute. Larry VA3LK PS Has anyone heard any LF activity from our east coast lately? Jack? John? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1055 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2001 07:54:16 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2001 07:54:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2646 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2001 07:52:08 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 21 Sep 2001 07:52:08 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15kL0x-00073p-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:46:23 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.88]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15kL0u-00073k-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:46:21 +0100 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15kL0C-000AGw-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:45:37 +0100 Message-ID: <$9gl6SAh5uq7MwR4@telemetry.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:38:09 +0100 To: "RSGB LF Group" From: "Tom Boucher" Subject: LF: 134 KHz RFID MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Larry Your contact at Macaroni might be interested in a periodical which I receive (one of those I don't ever remember subscribing to, but I get it anyway!). It is called 'RF Innovations' and is full of good stuff about RF tagging. E-mail address is . 134 KHz is indeed used in RFID applications here in UK. There is a toll bridge somewhere in the North-East UK which uses 134 KHz for automatic toll collection. 73, Tom G3OLB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26071 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2001 00:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2001 00:10:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 15916 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2001 00:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 21 Sep 2001 00:09:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15kDkB-0002dS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 01:00:35 +0100 Received: from tomts10.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.54] helo=tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15kDk9-0002cx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 01:00:34 +0100 Received: from server1 ([216.208.85.139]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010920235737.ALJ19251.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1> for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:57:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c14230$0646c810$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> From: "Larry Kayser" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000101c14204$21c5d440$02f07ad5@default> Subject: LF: Re: re LF use in UK Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 16:44:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Alan: > Hi Larry I am totally astounded that an employee of such a distinguished > company bearing the name of the commercial founder of wireless, seems to > know so little about it!! Still I suppose that is what happens when you turn > it into a "plug-and-play" Telecomms firm. Their expertise was supposed to be > a major asset, its no wonder no-one gives a light for the assets on the LSE. I am fresh out of the hospital here after 5 days of emergency treatment and still a little woozy to say the least of it. If you want some humour sometime, and goodness knows we could use a little humour these last few days, this got to me via a friend who saw the frequency mentioned in the email. His interrupt was pulled hard and he forwarded it on to me. I am still off the air here, repairs will have to wait until I can get around a little easier. I got into a fight with another wasp and this time I went into anaphylactic shock. The wasp got me at 8:44 AM on Tuesday the 11th. Precursor of things to come maybe. At the moment I am looking to borrow an F-15, F-18 or similar for just a few minutes so I can have round two of my own little War here. More when I have a little more in me to contribute. Larry VA3LK PS Has anyone heard any LF activity from our east coast lately? Jack? John? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22208 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2001 18:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2001 18:52:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 22819 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2001 18:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 20 Sep 2001 18:50:44 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15k8qR-00087E-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:46:43 +0100 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176] helo=protactinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15k8qQ-000879-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:46:42 +0100 Received: from [213.122.240.2] (helo=default) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15k8pm-00024p-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:46:02 +0100 Message-ID: <000101c14204$21c5d440$02f07ad5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: re LF use in UK Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:24:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Larry I am totally astounded that an employee of such a distinguished company bearing the name of the commercial founder of wireless, seems to know so little about it!! Still I suppose that is what happens when you turn it into a "plug-and-play" Telecomms firm. Their expertise was supposed to be a major asset, its no wonder no-one gives a light for the assets on the LSE. I would have thought most engineers in the UK would have just accessed the R(adiocommunications) A(gency)'s web site and asked a question on it if the answer was not to hand. Still you dont need to understand the technical side to buy in cheap kit from China and put your sticky label on it. I have not replied to the writer as I would find it hard not to recommend he applied for a redundancy package. (We do have a lot of RFID kit used in the big stores, particularly on high value items) Cheers de Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19534 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2001 13:05:25 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2001 13:05:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 29442 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2001 13:04:15 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 20 Sep 2001 13:04:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15k3QC-0004ZN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:59:16 +0100 Received: from gateg.kw.bbc.co.uk ([132.185.132.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15k3QB-0004ZI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:59:15 +0100 Received: from sunf0.rd.bbc.co.uk (ddmailgate.rd.bbc.co.uk [132.185.128.104]) by gateg.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f8KCwZE28664 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:58:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc523 by sunf0.rd.bbc.co.uk; Thu, 20 Sep 01 13:58:35 BST Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010920135820.039769f0@pop3> X-Sender: simonlh@pop3 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:58:20 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Simon Lloyd-Hughes" Subject: Re: LF: LF use in G Land In-reply-to: <003301c141cd$53d873c0$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> References: <000501c14158$f5e46cc0$8130073e@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: May I suggest that you contact the Radio Communications Agency. There is a trade magazine which appears here now and again. I Think its Called RFID. At the Rdaio Solutions 2001 6/11/2001-7/11/2001 ( www.llpra.org ) there is an RFID Technology workshop which may be of interest. At 08:11 20/09/01 -0400, you wrote: >Greetings All in G land. The following found its way to me and I post it so >some of you can follow it up and see what some people have planned for LF. > >Regards, Larry, VA3LK > > >-------------------------------------Insert > >From: "Sykes, Bob" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 10:49 AM >Subject: 134kHz transmitter in the U.K. > > >> >> >> Greetings, >> >> We are looking at providing a short range RFID system to the U.K., and I >am >> tasked with >> determining the regulatory requirements for this system. It incorporates >a >> low power >> transmitter/receiver operating at 134kHz. I am familiar with the LVD and >> EMCD requirements, >> but unable to determine RTTE applicability, or whether U.K. National >> regulations apply. >> >> Any help would be most appreciated. >> >> adTHANKSvance, >> >> -Bob Sykes >> Marconi Commerce Systems >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety >> Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. >> >> Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ >> >> To cancel your subscription, send mail to: >> majordomo@ieee.org >> with the single line: >> unsubscribe emc-pstc >> >> For help, send mail to the list administrators: >> Michael Garretson: pstc_admin@garretson.org >> Dave Heald daveheald@mediaone.net >> >> For policy questions, send mail to: >> Richard Nute: richn@ieee.org >> Jim Bacher: j.bacher@ieee.org >> >> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: >> No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old >messages are imported into the new server. >> >--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________ Email: simon.lloyd-hughes@rd.bbc.co.uk BBC Transmission Management Group, Strategy and Distribution Tel: Internal 39692 B18 Kingswood Warren External +44 (0)1737 839692 Tadworth Mobile 07889 151485 Surrey KT20 6NP FAX: +44(0)1737 839555 Keep up to date with the TABS weekly news sheet at http://home.gateway.bbc.co.uk/distribution/transcribe/index.asp ____________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29899 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2001 12:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2001 12:25:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 311 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2001 12:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 20 Sep 2001 12:23:37 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15k2go-00048b-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:12:22 +0100 Received: from tomts8.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.52] helo=tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15k2gm-00048W-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:12:21 +0100 Received: from server1 ([216.209.138.6]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010920121107.GOAV26051.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1> for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:11:07 -0400 Message-ID: <003301c141cd$53d873c0$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> From: "Larry Kayser" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000501c14158$f5e46cc0$8130073e@default> Subject: LF: LF use in G Land Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:11:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Greetings All in G land. The following found its way to me and I post it so some of you can follow it up and see what some people have planned for LF. Regards, Larry, VA3LK -------------------------------------Insert From: "Sykes, Bob" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: 134kHz transmitter in the U.K. > > > Greetings, > > We are looking at providing a short range RFID system to the U.K., and I am > tasked with > determining the regulatory requirements for this system. It incorporates a > low power > transmitter/receiver operating at 134kHz. I am familiar with the LVD and > EMCD requirements, > but unable to determine RTTE applicability, or whether U.K. National > regulations apply. > > Any help would be most appreciated. > > adTHANKSvance, > > -Bob Sykes > Marconi Commerce Systems > > > ------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majordomo@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Michael Garretson: pstc_admin@garretson.org > Dave Heald daveheald@mediaone.net > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: richn@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bacher@ieee.org > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. > --------------------------------------------------------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21380 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2001 22:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2001 22:37:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 28374 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2001 22:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 19 Sep 2001 22:35:03 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15jpjA-0004Wq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:21:56 +0100 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15jpj8-0004Wh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:21:54 +0100 Received: from [62.7.48.129] (helo=default) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15jpiU-0002oS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:21:15 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c14158$f6cf6900$8130073e@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: DX Cluster spots for 10/19th Sept at GB7DXM Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:20:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all I missed these earlier in the week, as the last few weekends have been a little thin for LF Cluster activity. Note DL7YA the station in Berlin, was seen working Toni HB9ASB on QRSS last weekend. Not logged there is Finbar EI0CF who worked ON6ND, and G6RO this morning (Wed 19th) 136.5 MM0ALM 19-Sep-2001 1949Z qsx 7033.0 cq cq 136.7 DL3FDO 18-Sep-2001 1746Z cq 136.8 ON6ND 18-Sep-2001 1736Z with f6bwo 136.4 ON6ND 16-Sep-2001 1714Z CQ CQ 136.7 DL3FDO 16-Sep-2001 1640Z cq 136.6 DJ9IE 16-Sep-2001 1626Z in QSO MM0ALM vy big signal 136.6 MM0ALM 16-Sep-2001 1545Z in QSO with G6RO 136.1 MM0ALM 16-Sep-2001 1315Z CQ here, big signal 136.7 MM0ALM 16-Sep-2001 1305Z 569, unbelievable signal! 136.3 F6BWO 16-Sep-2001 1037Z in qso dk5pt 319, 559 136.2 DK5PT 16-Sep-2001 1018Z clg F6BWO 136.2 F6BWO 16-Sep-2001 1013Z in qso ON6ND 519/529 136.7 G3KEV 16-Sep-2001 1012Z 419 in Berlin 136.7 ON6ND 16-Sep-2001 1007Z 539 in Berlin 136.7 G3KEV 16-Sep-2001 1004Z Mal clg cq 120lpm :-) 136.7 DK6NI 16-Sep-2001 1002Z cq 137.7 IK5ZPV 16-Sep-2001 0956Z qrss cq 137.7 IK5ZPV 16-Sep-2001 0955Z CQ QRSS 136.5 DK6NI 16-Sep-2001 0916Z cq 136.7 DF0WD 16-Sep-2001 0912Z in qso DL3FDO 519/549 137.7 DL7YA 16-Sep-2001 0909Z clg HB9ASB 137.7 HB9ASB 16-Sep-2001 0859Z cq qrss 137.7 IK5ZPV 16-Sep-2001 0850Z cq qrss 137.75 kHz 137.0 ON6ND 16-Sep-2001 0833Z 136.7 DL3FDO 16-Sep-2001 0832Z test 137.7 IK5ZPV 16-Sep-2001 0828Z cq qrss 137.7 DL7YA 16-Sep-2001 0828Z cq qrss 136.6 DJ9IE 16-Sep-2001 0800Z 136.8 OH1TN 11-Sep-2001 2051Z 510 cq cq cq.... IO85dx 136.5 MM0ALM 10-Sep-2001 1822Z cq cq he didn`t copy me G3NYK de GB7MRS 19-Sep-2001 2010Z > Cheers de Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5790 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2001 22:36:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2001 22:36:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 28476 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2001 22:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 19 Sep 2001 22:35:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15jpjA-0004Ws-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:21:56 +0100 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15jpj9-0004Wg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:21:55 +0100 Received: from [62.7.48.129] (helo=default) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15jpiT-0002oS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:21:13 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c14158$f5e46cc0$8130073e@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: HB9 back on LF Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:41:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi I had the following exchange with Toni HB9ASB after seeing a QRS signal from him on Sunday -------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Alan, Thank you for the feedback. In the first half of the year, I was almost inactive on LF, but now I'm back. I will be QRV in CW and QRSS, most on weekends. The YA suffix belongs to DL7YA. At the same time, I have also seen an Italian station in QRSS (I5ZPV?), but he was very close to one of my local QRM frequencies. 73 de Toni >>> "Alan Melia" 09/19 1:32 am >>> Hi Toni, its a long time since I heard you last, but on Sunday (16th) I caught a snatch of "CQ de HB9ASB K" at 0857z, and, after some local QRM, "----YA HB9ASB 00 K". My attention was grabbed as I did not recognise the suffix letters YA as any LF station I know, but I did not see any other traces here. I was running FFTDSP4 so not the most sensitive system. There has been very little QRSS on the band in the last 6 months, so it was a pleasant surprise to see it. I hope you are keeping well.....and active. ----------------------------------------- Cheers and 73 de Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27993 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2001 19:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2001 19:28:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 12321 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2001 19:26:34 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 18 Sep 2001 19:26:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15jQHN-00066E-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:11:33 +0100 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82] helo=mailout05.sul.t-online.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15jQHM-000669-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:11:32 +0100 Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 15jQGc-0001M6-01; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:10:46 +0200 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.156.6.251]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 15jQFx-1OhM2aC; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:10:05 +0200 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010917184133.00a5e920@mail.pncl.co.uk> Subject: Re: LF: Thunderstorms X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:10:05 +0200 Message-ID: <15jQFx-1OhM2aC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Walter Blanchard schrieb: > In the current issue of "Weather" (monthly mag of the R. Meteorological > Socy) there is an article "A Lightning Climatology for Europe and the UK, > 1990-99" (a non-believer in the EU there!) It has charts showing the > frequency of thunder/lightning for the whole of Europe and detailed maps > for the UK for the four seasons. In the summer it's max over the Alps and > Pyrenees (more than 10 days/month); in the winter Western Greece. > In the UK in the Spring there is a peak just south of Scarbro (watch out, > Big Kev!) at 4 days/month, in the summer it is joined by another peak over > East Anglia both more than 5 days/month. UK winter hardly anything except > along the Channel. > Thought you'd like to know! > > Walter G3JKV. > Hi Walter, I`d like to read the article. can u scan and e-mail it ? or fax it ? e-mail adr: dj8wx@qsl.net , fax nr: 49482182105 (from UK) (in case it is too long for this reflector). tks in advnc regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9942 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2001 15:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2001 15:10:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 15611 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2001 15:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 18 Sep 2001 15:08:42 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15jMGR-0003dJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:54:19 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15jMGQ-0003dE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:54:18 +0100 Received: from abc (man-s309.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.45.180]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id f8IEra627145 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:53:37 +0100 Message-ID: <001901c14051$b4e94680$b42df7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C5B8@PDW-MAIL-R1> Subject: LF: Re: New Radio Communications legislation Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:17:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Given the Innate Perversity of the Universe, by the time you've done this, you will probably find the Solar Constant is. 73 de John Rabson G3PAI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Talbot" To: "LF Group (E-mail)" Cc: "YGF (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 12:07 PM Subject: LF: New Radio Communications legislation > In an attempt to reduce the problems associated with modern Radio > Communications, the following legislation needs to be introduced > -------------------------------------- > The recently discovered decreasing value for the speed of light needs to be > halted and reversed. > > Boltzmans Constant will be made variable. > > Shannons Law has to be repealed immediately. > > Anti-noise legislation must be enacted to allow weaker signals to be > received. > Thermal noise will be reduced in stages over several years. > Shot noise will be eliminated completely and all sources must be licensed. > > Ohms Law needs changing to bring down resistance. > > The impedance of free space must be lowered to increase the efficiency of > antennas. > (Ohms law may help here) > > The spectrum of visible light needs to be widened. > > The mass of electrons is too high. To allow their acceleration from lower > voltages, the value has to be decreased. > > Holes in semiconductors should be banned, or at least filled in when they > occur > > Absolute Zero will be lowered. A target of -1000 Celsius has been set. > > > -- > The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence > is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). > For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, > or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is > prohibited and may be unlawful. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8310 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2001 11:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2001 11:22:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 5522 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2001 11:20:47 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 18 Sep 2001 11:20:47 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15jIlb-0001UW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:10:15 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from relay.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.49]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15jIlZ-0001UR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:10:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 25440 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2001 12:09:31 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from trtnmail.dera.gov.uk (146.80.9.56) by relay.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 18 Sep 2001 12:09:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 9737 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2001 12:14:31 +0100 Received: (ofmipd 192.5.29.90); 18 Sep 2001 11:14:09 -0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id MAA11906; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:16:28 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 11303 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2001 11:58:52 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk (172.16.9.10) by baton.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 18 Sep 2001 11:58:52 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk; id LAA02716; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:42:32 GMT Received: from unknown(10.71.64.31) by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma002577; Tue, 18 Sep 01 11:41:41 GMT Received: from mailex.dera.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dera.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:10:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 7715 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2001 10:54:58 +0100 Date: 18 Sep 2001 12:07:42 +0100 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C5B8@PDW-MAIL-R1> From: "Andrew Talbot" To: "LF Group \(E-mail\)" Cc: "YGF \(E-mail\)" X-5Received: from softdnserror (HELO cchecker.dstl.gov.uk) (192.168.248.52) by mailex.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 18 Sep 2001 09:54:58 -0000 X-4Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by cchecker.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:54:16 +0100 X-3Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)id ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:07:52 +0100 Subject: LF: New Radio Communications legislation MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In an attempt to reduce the problems associated with modern Radio Communications, the following legislation needs to be introduced -------------------------------------- The recently discovered decreasing value for the speed of light needs to be halted and reversed. Boltzmans Constant will be made variable. Shannons Law has to be repealed immediately. Anti-noise legislation must be enacted to allow weaker signals to be received. Thermal noise will be reduced in stages over several years. Shot noise will be eliminated completely and all sources must be licensed. Ohms Law needs changing to bring down resistance. The impedance of free space must be lowered to increase the efficiency of antennas. (Ohms law may help here) The spectrum of visible light needs to be widened. The mass of electrons is too high. To allow their acceleration from lower voltages, the value has to be decreased. Holes in semiconductors should be banned, or at least filled in when they occur Absolute Zero will be lowered. A target of -1000 Celsius has been set. -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 441 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 18:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 18:34:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4451 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 18:32:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 18:32:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15j38a-0000Xr-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:28:56 +0100 Received: from smtp0.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.193.6] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15j38Z-0000Xm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:28:56 +0100 Received: from nl9222 (p1268.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.203.249]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f8HISBt08796 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:28:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <200109171828.f8HISBt08796@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:28:33 +0100 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: "LF [RSGB]" Subject: LF: URL Change NL9222 X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp.wanadoo.nl id f8HISBt08796 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All. For those linking to my website at "leden.tref.nl" [Some do] it does no longer excist [Too expensive / Too litlle space etc etc] Please change things like bookmarks and links to: http://home.wanadoo.nl/nl9222/index.htm http://home.wanadoo.nl/nl9222/software.htm Hope this helps.. 73 Ko Versteeg, NL9222 [SWL] [Grid: JO22KE - Lat: 52° 12' 15.0"N Long: 04° 51' 40.5"E] Home: http://home.wanadoo.nl/nl9222/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20445 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 17:55:55 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 17:55:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23207 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 17:54:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 17:54:44 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15j2UP-00007V-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:47:25 +0100 Received: from k2.pncl.co.uk ([212.35.226.183]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15j2UO-00007Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:47:24 +0100 Received: from 233.pncl.co.uk (51.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk [212.35.234.51]) by k2.pncl.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8HHkj109023 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:46:46 +0100 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010917184133.00a5e920@mail.pncl.co.uk> X-Sender: blanch@mail.pncl.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:52:10 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Walter Blanchard" Subject: LF: Thunderstorms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In the current issue of "Weather" (monthly mag of the R. Meteorological Socy) there is an article "A Lightning Climatology for Europe and the UK, 1990-99" (a non-believer in the EU there!) It has charts showing the frequency of thunder/lightning for the whole of Europe and detailed maps for the UK for the four seasons. In the summer it's max over the Alps and Pyrenees (more than 10 days/month); in the winter Western Greece. In the UK in the Spring there is a peak just south of Scarbro (watch out, Big Kev!) at 4 days/month, in the summer it is joined by another peak over East Anglia both more than 5 days/month. UK winter hardly anything except along the Channel. Thought you'd like to know! Walter G3JKV. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5839 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 17:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 17:05:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4887 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 17:04:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 17:04:20 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15j1jF-0008Cd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:58:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.88]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15j1jE-0008CY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:58:40 +0100 Received: from alg.demon.co.uk ([194.222.171.80]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15j1iY-000OIP-0U; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:57:58 +0100 Message-ID: <3BA62D48.615E4501@alg.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:05:12 +0100 From: "Steve Rawlings" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LF Group" Subject: LF: Antenna maintenance; Denso; and Leicester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, I've been off the air recently while I carried out routine maintenance to my LF antenna (now completed). This work included removing; repainting; and re-installing the T and K brackets on the back wall. Once again, I have water-proofed the exposed parts of the wall fixings (Rawlbolts) and the threaded parts of the 'U' bolts, using pieces of synthetic rag coated in thick motor grease. It's a messy job, but, when I need to repeat the maintenance tasks, at least I'll be able to release the wall fixings again! [[ TIP: For the heads of Rawlbolts, I trap two layers of greased synthetic rag (about 50 mm x 80 mm) between the bracket and the washer. Then I tighten the bolt, put more grease on the bolt head, and then carefully fold the rag over the bolt head - a corner at a time - to form a firm 'bandage' over the bolt. Where the external fixing is a nut (in cases where the threaded part of the Rawlbolt is held captive in the wall), I first tighten the nut. I then tear strips of synthetic rag (about 15 mm wide), coating the strips in motor grease. After putting grease on the nut, and threaded stud, I then wind two or three of the coated strips around the nut, and around any exposed studding, until they are fully covered in the sticky bandage. John G3CCH reminds me that there used to be a product called Denso (spelling? but pronounced 'den-zo') which would probably have done the job better. But my poor man's Denso tape seems to work well enough.]] The 2-inch mast is now topped with a second-hand fibreglass wind-surfer pole (about 4 m long), which replaces a previous aluminium section. The wind-surfer pole was purchased for 20 pounds, and I have painted it to reduce possible damage by ultra-violet radiation. The first station heard after putting my antenna back up was G3CCH, who has also been busy with antenna maintenance jobs. His recent work seems to have paid off, as John's 136 kHz signal is certainly stronger here in Chepstow. If you've been putting off those outside antenna maintenance chores, it's probably time to make a start before those gale-force winds start up again! By the way, Vic G8IK and I will be at the Leicester show for a few hours on the Saturday. Regards to all, Steve GW4ALG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18008 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 16:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 16:12:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 29007 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 16:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 16:11:28 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15j0sw-0007lN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:04:38 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15j0sv-0007lI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:04:37 +0100 Received: from abc (man-s071.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.41.198]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id f8HG3uk02214 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:03:56 +0100 Message-ID: <003701c13f92$63bb9f20$c629f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: LF with a difference - Cave Radio and Electronics Group expedition - Cornwall 29-30/09/2001 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:38:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: 2001 CREG Cornwall Field Meet Dates : Saturday 29th to Sunday 30th September 2001. Location : St Agnes, Cornwall. This meet has been postponed twice so far - with a fuel blockade and the dreaded Foot and Mouth crisis putting paid to our earlier efforts. This time we are going to make it! In a break from our usual destinations we are holding the meet in a non-Limestone area - Cornish tin mines. We should learn a lot about the use of radios underground in this environment and we will have lots to write about after this meet. We are being hosted by the West of Cornwall Mines Rescue Group, who wish to assess the effectiveness of the BCRC rescue radio (the Heyphone) in metal bearing granite. There will also be an opportunity to see something of Cornwall's metal mining heritage. For more details see http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/~arb/creg/fieldn.html John Rabson G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28180 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 11:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 11:36:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 8109 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 11:34:24 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 11:34:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iwYi-00050l-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:27:28 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iwYf-00050g-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:27:26 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15iwXw-0002G8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:26:40 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=mj9ar) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 15iwXw-0002um-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:26:40 +0100 From: "James Moritz" Organization: University of Hertfordshire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:29:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: 135.923 antenna tests X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Thanks to Brian and Alan for the reports on my test signals on Saturday night. I was trying out my new field strength measurement system as a prelude to doing some more antenna tests this winter. I am now using a W&G SPM-3 level meter, with a tuned ferrite rod and preamp, which I have re-built to mount on my car. I can now rotate the antenna and take readings from the driver's seat (not while in motion though!), which makes field strength measurement much quicker and easier - I was able to get 30 readings in a couple of hours at distances between 1 and 8 km. I used a GPS receiver for position measurement. Transmitter power was around 150W, giving 2A into my inverted L which has about 8m effective height. The calculated ERP is 150mW . The field strength measurements gave an average ERP of 66mW, which is in line with previous measurements. The cherry picker I was using last winter to support my antenna has now returned after it's summer migration, so I intend to do some comparative tests with antennas of different heights, and also on 73kHz, over the next few months. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22812 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 11:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 11:22:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 17166 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 11:22:31 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 11:22:31 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iwOC-0004sQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:16:36 +0100 Received: from e31.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.129] helo=e31.bld.us.ibm.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iwOA-0004sL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:16:34 +0100 Received: from westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.140.22]) by e31.bld.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13788 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 07:13:35 -0400 Received: from usa.net (ss9.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.75]) by westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v4.98) with ESMTP id f8HBFoo114770 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 05:15:51 -0600 Message-ID: <3BA5DBB1.2F72FD7B@usa.net> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:17:05 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: LF Antennas. References: <000c01c13f56$ae20b140$ef9d883e@g3aqc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Another very interesting and divulgative paper on this subject is the following : http://www.eriinc.com/IEEE/01%20Stanley.pdf which probably is authored by the same Stanley that Peter cites in the reference : http://members.aol.com/jrstanley/mainpress.htm which seems to be no more valid, or at least so AOL complains. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4153 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 09:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 09:07:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 25468 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 09:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 09:07:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iuAq-0003b5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:54:40 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.215]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iuAo-0003b0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:54:38 +0100 Received: from modem-111.dorwinion.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.157.239] helo=g3aqc) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15iuA8-0006hE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:53:56 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c13f56$ae20b140$ef9d883e@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. LF Antennas. Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:56:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I have given many antenna lectures inthe past and always
the first stumbling block has been "how does it radiate". I
did not fully understand the mechanism and none of the
available analogies such as rotating "smoke rings" of e/m
energy through any light on the subject..Peters " vibrating electron discontinuity "is intuitive and is the first really credible
explanation I have seen. I belive it provides a valuable insight
into the mechanism of radiation the even I can understand.
Further his explanation of radiation resistance provides us with a better understanding of this phenomena. Dont worry about it being simplistic, all understanding starts with a "graspable" theory. 
I have yet to digest the rest of his article ie Maxwell etc. but I have no doubt that he will through more light on this indigestible subject.
Thanks  Peter... 73s Laurie.  
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17227 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 00:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 00:00:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 19926 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2001 23:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 16 Sep 2001 23:58:32 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ildM-00074o-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 00:47:32 +0100 Received: from chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.1.67]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ildL-00074j-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 00:47:31 +0100 Received: from ericadodd (tnt-6-39.easynet.co.uk [195.40.201.39]) by chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ACBE61D5076 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 00:46:47 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000f01c13f0b$5f384d40$27c928c3@ericadodd> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3.0.5.32.20010916110439.008bd100@pop3.esoterica.pt> Subject: LF: LF Antennas Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 00:56:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: It seems a long time since I wrote to this reflector. I have been reading the mail but have been rather busy. I have just sent off all the chapter of a new book on Mobile radio. This turned out to be more time consuming than I expected, one of the reasons was the amount of experimental work I had to do. An interesting aspect of mobile radio is HF backpacking, working DX using 5W QRP with a rig that you can carry around. (inspired by the introduction of the FT-817). This got me experimenting with small antennas and counterpoises, which in turn gave me some inkling of the problems I was having operating from LF Amberley. It would seem that an HF backpack is a useful method of modelling LF antennas. I have not forgotten that I had promised to put LF reflector material on my website. This has been on hold since late April but I will resume this work as soon as possible. The CFA discussion prompted me to include new item on the web site. It comes under the heading What's New. Let me know what you think about it. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14986 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2001 15:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2001 15:29:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 201 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2001 15:27:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 16 Sep 2001 15:27:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15idih-0002P8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:20:31 +0100 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15idig-0002P3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:20:30 +0100 Received: from [213.122.223.217] (helo=dave) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15idi0-00005s-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:19:49 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01c13ec3$6219fe20$d9df7ad5@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: "rsgb_lf_group" References: <000301c13daa$7d8cd200$018801d4@dave> Subject: LF: Re: TV QRM. Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:21:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From Dave G3YMC At the suggestion of Tom G3OLB I have now set up a page on my website at http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk/tvqrm.htm for discussion on the topic of 136 radiation from TVs and a place to start a database of the performance of sets. It is also linked from my 136kHz main page (../136.htm). You will appreciate that this is an initial stab at this idea and will probably change dramatically as it unfolds. Please send me any contributions for inclusion to me - although I have suggested it should be for UK models primarily, it would seem appropriate for any overseas reflector users to input data as well. 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11837 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2001 11:13:29 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2001 11:13:29 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21391 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2001 11:11:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 16 Sep 2001 11:11:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iZjk-0000Dk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:05:20 +0100 Received: from rhun.esoterica.pt ([195.22.0.26]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iZjj-0000Df-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:05:19 +0100 Received: from srv17slx.esoterica.pt (srv17slx.esoterica.pt [195.22.0.47]) by rhun.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8GB4d001400 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:04:39 +0100 (WEST) Received: from slave2 (por243.esoterica.pt [195.22.5.243]) by srv17slx.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id f8GB4cl24661 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:04:38 +0100 (WET DST) Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010916110439.008bd100@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Sender: brian@pop3.esoterica.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:04:39 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" Subject: LF: Signal in TA Slot MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Does anyone want to claim the signal in the TA slot between 21:20 and 23:33utc on 135.923KHz last night? 73, Brian 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3034 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2001 09:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2001 09:07:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2356 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2001 09:06:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 16 Sep 2001 09:06:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iXe7-0007TZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:51:23 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.88]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iXe6-0007TU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:51:22 +0100 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15iXdS-000POs-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:50:43 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:49:21 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Tom Boucher" Subject: Re: French FM connection... [LF: General coverage Rx bands (Off Topic)] In-reply-to: <014201c13d63$ba017980$c75ef9c1@v1j7v5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: VAT was applied to broadcast receivers but not to communications receivers. In message <014201c13d63$ba017980$c75ef9c1@v1j7v5>, f1tay writes >Excuser la réponse en français mais mon anglais est trčs mauvais. >C'est pour des raison de fiscalité que la bande 87,5 - 108 MHz est enlevé >sur certain récepteur en France. >Dans le passé le taux de la T.V.A. (Taxe ŕ la Valeur Ajoutée) était plus >important pour les récepteurs de radiodiffusion que pour les récepteurs de >trafic. >73 de Daniel > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:19 AM >Subject: French FM connection... [LF: General coverage Rx bands (Off Topic)] > > >> Andy wrote: >> >> BUT, for the French market only, the band 87.5 - 108MHz is blocked. >> That >> is allocated internationally to VHF FM broadcasting so why ? >> >> If memory serves me right, there is/was a special fee levied in France >> when consumer radio equipment >> that covered the FM broadcast band is/was sold, so to evade this, >> non-consumer radio equipment does not cover this band. >> >> 73/ >> >> Karl-Arne Markstrom >> SM0AOM >> >> =================== >> Senior Radio Engineer >> Maritime Networks Telia Mobile AB Nacka Strand Sweden >> Phone +46-8-6017171, Mobile phone +46-70-6636575 Fax +46-8-6017959 >> >> >> > > -- Tom Boucher 'Hedgerows' Sheldon Honiton Devon EX14 4QS From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5192 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2001 02:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2001 02:01:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 7541 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2001 01:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 16 Sep 2001 01:59:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iR9G-0003dc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:55:06 +0100 Received: from [212.95.144.6] (helo=publiconline.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iR9F-0003dW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:55:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 15101 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2001 01:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO default) (213.109.130.248) by 212.95.144.6 with SMTP; 16 Sep 2001 01:53:00 -0000 Message-ID: <032501c13e52$9281b920$f8826dd5@default> From: "Julian Hardstone" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: French Rx bands ( *still* Off Topic) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:42:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Talbot
To: LF Group (E-mail)
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:28 AM
Subject: LF: General coverage Rx bands (Off Topic)
 
(snip)
In this country many years ago, some emergency services used AM in the 100 -
108MHz Band.  Since, in practice, with the broadcast receivers around in
those days, the transmissions could be received on just about any broadcast
receiver, the users soon moved, releasing the band up to 108 for local radio
broadcasting.
 
Andy
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My impression was that they were retained there for the next thirty years, until forced out by commercial pressures, so that the radio regulatory authority (GPO) could accuse hobby pirate broadcasters using any Band II frequency of "interfering with emergency services".
An interesting observation re. the IC8500 however
- Julian
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 745 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2001 02:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2001 02:01:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 7564 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2001 01:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 16 Sep 2001 01:59:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iR9H-0003di-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:55:07 +0100 Received: from [212.95.144.6] (helo=publiconline.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iR9G-0003db-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:55:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 15103 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2001 01:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO default) (213.109.130.248) by 212.95.144.6 with SMTP; 16 Sep 2001 01:53:02 -0000 Message-ID: <032601c13e52$93a6b120$f8826dd5@default> From: "Julian Hardstone" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@qth.net, amfmtvdx@qth.net References: <3B96D665.86894C88@netins.net> Subject: LF: Re: Long Wave Broadcasting Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:53:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Sorry to join this thread rather late - yes, they sound fine, the bandwidth limitation almost invariably being imposed by the receiver, especially single-tuned ferrite rods, a limitation which need not apply to the transceivers with wideband front-ends most amateurs are using now. The percentage b/w does seem impressive, but radio engineers in other disciplines would probably feel underwhelmed - how about VHF broadcast radio or UHF TV, where several Tx channels are combined into one antenna (especially in Wales!)? The important point I want to make is that to think about antenna bandwidth is rather misleading - that bit of wire for LF has as much b/w as you like, but it is the antenna *system*, dominated by the matching network, which has limited b/w. Mike has mentioned the BBC Droitwich Tee antenna, and I recall that this is matched not by a sharply resonant tuning coil, but by cascaded and tapered L-C matching networks (perhaps 3-sections). I suppose this starts to look like a bit of transmission line with tapered impedance, and is easily modelled to show the increased bandwidth. Regards - Julian G3TFR ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Tom Gruis To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:50 AM Subject: LF: Long Wave Broadcasting > Hi from Iowa, USA, EN31do > > This my seem a silly question, but I am curious. > > How is the audio quality of European LW BC stations? The bandwidth > percentage is really something on those frequencies. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8695 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2001 17:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Sep 2001 17:24:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19445 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2001 17:22:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 15 Sep 2001 17:22:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iJ1T-0007KG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:14:31 +0100 Received: from [204.202.140.199] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iJ1S-0007KB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:14:30 +0100 Received: from gomailjtp06 ([10.212.0.166]) by mta07.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0GJP0051CRTSFJ@mta07.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:13:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "JOHN SEXTON" Subject: LF: [lofexp] TransPacific testing next weekend To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <1483639.1000573985336.JavaMail.G4CNN@gomailjtp06> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: TRANSPACIFIC TESTING 21/22 SEPTEMBER> ZL and VK LF stations will be transmitting on September 21/22. Separate frequencies are allocated to each participating station, as summarised in the following table: FREQUENCY SCHEDULE FOR TRANSPAC TESTING --------------------------------------- FREQUENCY MOD & ID CALLSIGN LOCATION kHz 176.515 QRSS AX2TAR AX2TAR Hobart, VK7 177.0148 QRSS ZL3FJ ZL3FJ Christchurch 182.68 QRSS ZL3PN ZL3PN Timaru 183.50 QRSS ZL3JE ZL3JE Pareora 184.00 QRSS ZL4MD ZL4MD Cromwell 183.3999 DFCW Q ZL6QH Wellington 183.3999 QRSS L ZL4OL Dunedin Note: Signals from ZL6QH and ZL4OL are deliberately "co-channel" so they can fit on a single Argo screen with 120 second dot setting. Frequencies of ZL6QH and ZL4OL should be maintained within 0.1 Hz. ZL6QH will send QQQQQ... with dual frequency CW, 0.4 Hz shift. Q will be encoded as 184.4001, 184.4001, 183.3997 & 184.4001 kHz, with no spacing between elements and a 120 second gap before starting the next cycle. The ten minute sequences will be nominally synchronised with the hour (there is some minor slippage in the control software). ZL6QH will beacon from before sunset to after sunrise. ZL4OL will send LLLLL... with single frequency CW on 183.3999 kHz, taking 18 minutes to send di dah di dit with Morse character spacing. Sequences will nominally commence on the hour and half hour. Both ZL6QH and ZL4OL intend to insert 12 wpm CW ID twice an hour. ZL4OL intends to insert CW ID between 18 and 20 minutes, as well as between 48 and 50 minutes into each hour. ZL6QH intends to insert CW ID between 28 and 30 minutes, and 58 and 60 minutes into each hour, and use a frequency of 184.4020 kHz so as to be offset from Argo captures correctly set for 183.3999 kHz centre frequency. SUNRISE AND SUNSET TIMES (UTC) ------------------------------ DX stations can decide on their best times for monitoring. The Americas will already be dark when sunset occurs in ZL (at approx 0613 UTC), and VK7 is two hours following for sunset (at approx 0803 UTC). Sunrise in the Americas occurs while it is still a dark path to ZL and VK. Around local sunrise may give best LF DX propagation for reception in the Americas. Sunrise eventually gets round to ZL (approx 1813 UTC) and VK7 (approx 2003 UTC). Reception reports can be emailed to vernall@xtra.co.nz Good luck to all prospective listeners. 73, Bob ZL2CA ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> The Nissan Sentra Everything but compact http://NissanDriven.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vsIKC/txlCAA/ySSFAA/NO4qlB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5679 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2001 17:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Sep 2001 17:22:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 18587 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2001 17:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 15 Sep 2001 17:20:37 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iIyE-0007K6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:11:10 +0100 Received: from riker.skynet.be ([195.238.3.132]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15iIyD-0007K1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:11:09 +0100 Received: from mh70i ([62.4.222.167]) by riker.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.12) with SMTP id f8FHAMH03612 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:10:22 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <001301c13e09$4fe4b160$a7de043e@mh70i> From: "DE BONDT WERNER" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c13db7$38a791e0$dda3edc2@HemmaPC> Subject: LF: Re: MM0ALM Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:10:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Yesterday 15-02-2001 at 2015Z I worked MM0ALM he was vy strong here 5-9-9+      -70db on pegelmesser
Sorry David I mixt ur name with Jim. But in my callbook all ok.
73 to all Werner ON6ND.
 
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Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 9:22 AM
Subject: LF: MM0ALM

Hello all !
 
Yesterday evening (friday) at 2015Z I heard someone testing slightly above 136khz ending with the call MM0ALM. The callsign was only given once so I am not 100% sure of it. Readability was 4-5 and strength about 1S above noise.
I am listening on an indoor loop (40turns 70cm square) with preamp. Was the callsign correctly understood ?
 
73 de SM5EUF / Urban
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21743 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2001 07:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Sep 2001 07:34:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 24389 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2001 07:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 15 Sep 2001 07:32:49 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15i9of-00023k-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:24:41 +0100 Received: from smtp01.spray.se ([212.78.193.245]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15i9oe-00023f-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:24:40 +0100 Received: from HemmaPC (t4o940p101.telia.com [194.237.163.221]) by smtp01.spray.se (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D5894F389 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 09:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001101c13db7$38a791e0$dda3edc2@HemmaPC> From: "Urban ekholm" To: "RSGB" Subject: LF: MM0ALM Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 09:22:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello all !
 
Yesterday evening (friday) at 2015Z I heard someone testing slightly above 136khz ending with the call MM0ALM. The callsign was only given once so I am not 100% sure of it. Readability was 4-5 and strength about 1S above noise.
I am listening on an indoor loop (40turns 70cm square) with preamp. Was the callsign correctly understood ?
 
73 de SM5EUF / Urban
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26028 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2001 05:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Sep 2001 05:58:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 14271 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2001 05:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 15 Sep 2001 05:57:33 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15i8Kt-0001DR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 06:49:51 +0100 Received: from ns1.connectfree.co.uk ([212.1.130.32]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15i8Ks-0001DM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 06:49:50 +0100 Received: from [212.1.136.1] (helo=dave) by ns1.connectfree.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15i8OF-0000Qi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 06:53:20 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c13daa$7d8cd200$018801d4@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: TV QRM. Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:34:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From Dave G3YMC Tom Boucher wrote: >We need to start a list of good and bad TVs so we know which to buy when >we replace our own sets. My main TV is 16 years old so it won't be long! >I would like to volunteer Dave 'YMC to start a list as he is 'in the >trade'. Dave? Oh, thank you Tom!! Although I am in the trade, I am not into the retail side and see very few of the current models. Most of the problems we seem to be experiencing are with the larger screen and wide screen models, which I also see very few of (too big for me to lift...). Therefore I am not usually in a position to give any recommendations to my customers about which new sets to buy, except to tell them that most are cheap and nasty... Suggest you keep your 16 year old set working Tom! I am prepared however to develop an extra page on my website to collate any such information people send me, which I will publish more or less as received without bias or personal opinion. I will try and get something together in the next few days, time permitting. 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15625 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2001 03:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Sep 2001 03:49:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25350 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2001 03:47:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 15 Sep 2001 03:47:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15i6Ez-00000n-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:35:37 +0100 Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.106]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15i6Ey-00000i-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:35:36 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id l.96.1a230f2b (16787) for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:34:51 -0400 (EDT) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <96.1a230f2b.28d4265b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:34:51 EDT Subject: Re: LF: General coverage Rx bands (Off Topic) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In a message dated 9/14/01 9:55:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stewart.bryant@virgin.net writes: << I think that there is still quite a lot of analogue in less populated regions. The digital coverage is very variable, particularly the GSM service. >> Stewart is all too correct in this statement, as I can attest from travels in my work. 73, John Davis From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9890 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 21:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 21:38:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 6832 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 21:36:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 21:36:07 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15i0Ti-00053c-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:26:26 +0100 Received: from smtp-rt-5.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.19.159] helo=bassia.wanadoo.fr) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15i0Th-00053X-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:26:25 +0100 Received: from amyris.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.150) by bassia.wanadoo.fr; 14 Sep 2001 23:25:16 +0200 Received: from v1j7v5 (193.249.94.199) by amyris.wanadoo.fr; 14 Sep 2001 23:25:07 +0200 Message-ID: <014201c13d63$ba017980$c75ef9c1@v1j7v5> From: "f1tay" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: Re: French FM connection... [LF: General coverage Rx bands (Off Topic)] Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:04:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Excuser la réponse en français mais mon anglais est trčs mauvais. C'est pour des raison de fiscalité que la bande 87,5 - 108 MHz est enlevé sur certain récepteur en France. Dans le passé le taux de la T.V.A. (Taxe ŕ la Valeur Ajoutée) était plus important pour les récepteurs de radiodiffusion que pour les récepteurs de trafic. 73 de Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:19 AM Subject: French FM connection... [LF: General coverage Rx bands (Off Topic)] > Andy wrote: > > BUT, for the French market only, the band 87.5 - 108MHz is blocked. > That > is allocated internationally to VHF FM broadcasting so why ? > > If memory serves me right, there is/was a special fee levied in France > when consumer radio equipment > that covered the FM broadcast band is/was sold, so to evade this, > non-consumer radio equipment does not cover this band. > > 73/ > > Karl-Arne Markstrom > SM0AOM > > =================== > Senior Radio Engineer > Maritime Networks Telia Mobile AB Nacka Strand Sweden > Phone +46-8-6017171, Mobile phone +46-70-6636575 Fax +46-8-6017959 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24362 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 18:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 18:14:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 27311 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 18:13:01 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 18:13:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hxO4-0003Fi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:08:24 +0100 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hxO3-0003Fd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:08:24 +0100 Received: from ldsas20-84-135-19.cw-visp.com ([212.137.135.19] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 15hxF1-0007KI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:59:03 +0000 Message-ID: <3BA2394D.1D282E20@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:07:25 +0100 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: Tip 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Litz wire Before commencing the procedure to solder litz wire as in TIP 1 Remove the plastic from an appropriate sized electrical block connector(strip) and slide it over the end of the wire to be soldered back up the wire enough to be able to solder the end properly. After the soldering procedure has been completed and the wire end is still hot. pull the connector gently back off the wire end and this will give you a nice neat wire end and avoids the wire being splayed out. If desired keep the connector on the end of the wire but pull it back so that only half the connector is used, this leaves the other half to insert what ever wire you want to join to the litz. G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21745 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 13:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 13:59:47 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 25571 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 13:57:43 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 13:57:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15htO2-0000ls-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:52:06 +0100 Received: from mta01.btfusion.com ([62.172.195.11] helo=btclick.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15htO1-0000fZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:52:05 +0100 Received: from virgin.net ([213.121.108.218]) by btclick.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with ESMTP id GJNNST00.G94 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:50:53 +0100 Message-ID: <3BA20B56.F035AC76@virgin.net> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:51:19 +0100 From: "Stewart Bryant" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: General coverage Rx bands (Off Topic) References: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C5B3@PDW-MAIL-R1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Andrew Talbot wrote: > Off topic I know, but I crave your indulgence :-) > > Looking at the specifications for the IC8500 Communications receiver, I > notice that for the US market the bands 824 - 849 and 867 - 894 are blocked > - obviously it is not allowed to listen to the mobile phone bands in the US > (Is there much analogue mobile-phone traffic there now ?) > I think that there is still quite a lot of analogue in less populated regions. The digital coverage is very variable, particularly the GSM service. Stewart G3YSX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10663 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 11:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 11:33:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18384 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 11:31:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 11:31:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hr10-0007th-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:20:10 +0100 Received: from yoda.han.telia.se ([131.116.44.27] helo=tms1.han.telia.se) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hr0z-0007tc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:20:09 +0100 Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by tms1.han.telia.se (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03327 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:19:26 +0200 (METDST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:19:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: French FM connection... [LF: General coverage Rx bands (Off Topic)] MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Karl-Arne.A.Markstrom@telia.se To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline; Creation-Date=Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:19:26 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Andy wrote: BUT, for the French market only, the band 87.5 - 108MHz is blocked. That is allocated internationally to VHF FM broadcasting so why ? If memory serves me right, there is/was a special fee levied in France when consumer radio equipment that covered the FM broadcast band is/was sold, so to evade this, non-consumer radio equipment does not cover this band. 73/ Karl-Arne Markstrom SM0AOM =================== Senior Radio Engineer Maritime Networks Telia Mobile AB Nacka Strand Sweden Phone +46-8-6017171, Mobile phone +46-70-6636575 Fax +46-8-6017959 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11132 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 10:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 10:39:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 881 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 10:37:53 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 10:37:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hqF5-0007L3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:30:39 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from relay.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.49]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hqF3-0007Ky-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:30:38 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (qmail 2755 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 11:29:56 +0100 Received: from trtnmail.dera.gov.uk (146.80.9.56) by relay.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 11:29:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 27607 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 11:34:55 +0100 Received: (ofmipd 192.5.29.90); 14 Sep 2001 10:34:33 -0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id LAA32542; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:36:50 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 29878 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 11:19:29 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk (172.16.9.10) by baton.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 11:19:29 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk; id LAA09732; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:03:28 GMT Received: from unknown(10.71.64.31) by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma009722; Fri, 14 Sep 01 11:02:59 GMT Received: from mailex.dera.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dera.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:31:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 29274 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 10:15:59 +0100 Date: 14 Sep 2001 11:28:35 +0100 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C5B3@PDW-MAIL-R1> From: "Andrew Talbot" To: "LF Group \(E-mail\)" X-5Received: from softdnserror (HELO cchecker.dstl.gov.uk) (192.168.248.52) by mailex.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 09:15:59 -0000 X-4Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by cchecker.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:15:20 +0100 X-3Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)id ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:28:46 +0100 Subject: LF: General coverage Rx bands (Off Topic) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Off topic I know, but I crave your indulgence :-) Looking at the specifications for the IC8500 Communications receiver, I notice that for the US market the bands 824 - 849 and 867 - 894 are blocked - obviously it is not allowed to listen to the mobile phone bands in the US (Is there much analogue mobile-phone traffic there now ?) BUT, for the French market only, the band 87.5 - 108MHz is blocked. That is allocated internationally to VHF FM broadcasting so why ? In this country many years ago, some emergency services used AM in the 100 - 108MHz Band. Since, in practice, with the broadcast receivers around in those days, the transmissions cound be received on just about any broadcast receiver, the users soon moved, releasing the band up to 108 for local radio broadcasting. Andy -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21393 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 09:48:26 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 09:48:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16278 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 09:46:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 09:46:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hpMi-0006t5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:34:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hpMh-0006t0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:34:27 +0100 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15hpLy-000A7f-0Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:33:43 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:09:43 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Tom Boucher" Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: Re: TV QRM. In-reply-to: <000001c13cde$c7d7cee0$824901d5@dave> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Gentlemen We need to start a list of good and bad TVs so we know which to buy when we replace our own sets. My main TV is 16 years old so it won't be long! I would like to volunteer Dave 'YMC to start a list as he is 'in the trade'. Dave? 73, Tom 'OLB Dave Sergeant writes > my next door >neighbour >has just bought a new widescreen set - a Toshiba 32Z17B according to the >cardboard >box outside. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2528 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 09:14:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 09:14:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 948 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 09:13:44 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 09:13:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hovy-0006Ut-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:06:50 +0100 Received: from e31.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.129] helo=e31.bld.us.ibm.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hovw-0006Uo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:06:49 +0100 Received: from westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.140.22]) by e31.bld.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA84004 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:03:47 -0400 Received: from usa.net (ss4.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.69]) by westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v4.98) with ESMTP id f8E963R25648 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:06:04 -0600 Message-ID: <3BA1C85A.DECCAA8F@usa.net> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:05:31 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LF Mailing List" Subject: LF: Recent events Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Perhaps a bit OT for this list, but not for what I feel, and, I am sure, you all feel. 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded from other sources: PLEASE FORWARD TO OTHER LISTS If anyone has anything they feel they should contact authorities about, in regards to the events on the eleventh there is a web site for this. It is. http://www.ifccfbi.gov also especially you Monitors with HF For those monitors who receive suspicious traffic on the radio, please record it, note date, time, frequency, signal strength, apparent direction of the source if possible, and immediately notify Riley Hollingsworth at: holling@fcc.gov From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27288 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 05:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 05:37:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 13390 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 05:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 05:35:56 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hlZm-0004Y9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:31:42 +0100 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hlZl-0004Y4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:31:41 +0100 Received: from [213.1.73.130] (helo=dave) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15hlZ7-0001O1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:31:02 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c13cde$c7d7cee0$824901d5@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: "rsgb_lf_group" References: Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: TV QRM. Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:36:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Mike Probert wrote: > Today I purchased & installed a new Panasonic TX-25 CK1 TV receiver >to replace an older one of same make. Well I also seem to be having problems of this sort. It seems my next door neighbour has just bought a new widescreen set - a Toshiba 32Z17B according to the cardboard box outside. I am now suffering intermittent rasping qrm, with a strong rough carrier on 140.5kHz and the qrm over several 10s of kHz. s9 qrm on my loop, but much weaker on my vertical. Unfortunately I have had unresolved problems with tvi with this neighbour in the past, and I can hardly tell him to send his new TV back!! It looks as if this problem will only get worse. 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 764 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 00:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 00:15:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 16809 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 00:13:56 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 00:13:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hg8p-0001M7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:43:31 +0100 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80] helo=mailout01.sul.t-online.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hg8n-0001M2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:43:30 +0100 Received: from fwd06.sul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 15hg89-0006Fy-00; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 01:42:49 +0200 Received: from (087321565-0001@[217.2.66.29]) by fwd06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 15hg82-1MoDCqC; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 01:42:42 +0200 From: "Hans-Joachim Brandt" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3393076.1000400551079.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp01> Subject: Re: LF: DBF39 off the air X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 01:42:42 +0200 Message-ID: <15hg82-1MoDCqC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 087321565-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In Germany it had been shown some years ago that high power transmitters have a form of self protection against planes: The plane may crash down before due to severe internal EMC problems!! 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB John Sexton schrieb: > Hi All, > I tuned to DBF39 on 138.83 to check signal levels about 16.50 utc and found > it absent. Has someone flown a plane into it or is it under maintenance? > DCF49 on 128.93 is still there and as strong as ever. > John, G4CNN > > ___________________________________________________ > GO.com Mail > Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13648 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2001 22:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Sep 2001 22:24:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 19312 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2001 22:22:29 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO guinness.servers.plus.net) (212.159.3.230) by murphys with SMTP; 13 Sep 2001 22:22:29 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (qmail 2951 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2001 17:00:45 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (212.172.148.70) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Sep 2001 17:00:45 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hZvF-0006BD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:05:05 +0100 Received: from [204.202.140.199] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hZvD-0006B7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:05:04 +0100 Received: from gomailjtp01 ([10.212.0.161]) by mta07.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0GJM00CK2204T3@mta07.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:02:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "John Sexton" Subject: LF: DBF39 off the air To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <3393076.1000400551079.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, I tuned to DBF39 on 138.83 to check signal levels about 16.50 utc and found it absent. Has someone flown a plane into it or is it under maintenance? DCF49 on 128.93 is still there and as strong as ever. John, G4CNN ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3412 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2001 19:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Sep 2001 19:34:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28869 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2001 19:21:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 13 Sep 2001 19:21:20 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hbxR-0007JG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:15:29 +0100 Received: from smtp0.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.193.6] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hbxQ-0007JB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:15:28 +0100 Received: from nl9222 (p436.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.201.36]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f8DJElt23700 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:14:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <200109131914.f8DJElt23700@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:15:6 +0100 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: DBF39 off the air X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp.wanadoo.nl id f8DJElt23700 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 9/13/01 10:02:00 AM, you wrote: >Hi All, >I tuned to DBF39 on 138.83 to check signal levels about 16.50 utc and found it absent. Has someone flown a plane into it or is it under maintenance? >DCF49 on 128.93 is still there and as strong as ever. >John, G4CNN > John and all.. Be CAREFULL what you wish for. 73 Ko Versteeg, NL9222 [SWL] [Grid: JO22KE - Lat: 52° 12' 15.0"N Long: 04° 51' 40.5"E] Home: http://home.wanadoo.nl/nl9222/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15374 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2001 13:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Sep 2001 13:20:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 3973 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2001 13:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 13 Sep 2001 13:20:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hVjX-0003ck-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:36:43 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hVjV-0003cf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:36:41 +0100 Received: from boxernet.demon.co.uk ([194.222.47.214] helo=TRIXY) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15hVig-00081y-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:35:50 +0100 From: "Michael Probert" To: "lf group" Subject: LF: RE: Re: TV QRM. Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:34:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello All,
 
On the 30th August  I wrote
 >>>>>> Today I purchased & installed a new Panasonic  TX-25 CK1  TV  receiver to replace an older one of same make.
To my horror, I found that it radiates a strong rough carrier on 136.1 spreading both up and down several hundred hertz making the band inoperable on all three of my antennas. <<<<<<<<<<
 
The problem has now been solved .
Insertion of a filter (kindly loaned by Steve GW4ALG ) in the mains ( power ) supply was totally ineffective.
Removal of the antenna , with the TV on, also did not remove the interference.
 
Fortunately the dealer who supplied the TV was an independent family type Co. and the salesman was an" old time "repairman.  He went to a great deal of trouble in contacting the Panasonic technical dept. They could offer no help other than suggesting that I "re tune it".
 
The supplier delivered two  further TVs  one the same model as the problem one.  It produced the same qrm.
The second was an entirely different type (widescreen ). Panasonic  TX-28DK1  UK standard..The interference was totally removed & I have been unable to detect any spurious signals in the LF band.
 
Many thanks to all who sent me advice  and suggestions.
 
Regards
 
Mike   GW4HXO.
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25134 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2001 11:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Sep 2001 11:26:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 2342 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2001 11:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 13 Sep 2001 11:24:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hUQz-0002n9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:13:29 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15hUQw-0002n4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:13:26 +0100 Received: from boxernet.demon.co.uk ([194.222.47.214] helo=TRIXY) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15hUQG-000GCQ-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:12:45 +0100 From: "Michael Probert" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Tip Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:11:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <3B9F1B54.50268BC6@netscapeonline.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello all, Mal G3KEV wrote >>>>>>>>Sent: 12 September 2001 01:23 Subject: LF: Tip Litz wire. To solder litz wire of the variety used by Decca. Strip off about 10 -20 mm of the plastic/cotton covering Dip the exposed end in paint stripper for a few minutes. Use a tooth brush to remove the disolved enamel insulation, dip end in white spirit and wipe. Solder the exposed bare copper end in the usual way. Using this method no special tools or solder pots are required. This procedure is not required for the self fluxing litz type wire. G3KEV <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Thanks for the tip Mal. I tried it today and it works beautifully. I found it necessary to give the wires several dips in the paint stripper and it helps if you fan them out. No more burnt insulation or un removed enamel. Regards Mike GW4HXO. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Laurie Mayhead" Sender: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73KHz Beacon Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:59:57 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c13bb4$d2f97380$2d27893e@g3aqc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All,
Conditions seem better,so I will beacon tonight.
Frequency 71.922KHz ,QRSS 60sec dots,from 2200
to 0430 utc. All reports welcome. 73s Laurie.   
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "gii3kev" Sender: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000401c13b11$6c87b380$425f7ad5@default> Subject: Re: LF: OH1TN Reino active again at 2155z (Tues) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:38:49 +0100 Organization: Netscape Online member Message-ID: <3B9F1F19.71300399@netscapeonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en Alan Melia wrote: > Hi all, Reino OH1TN seems to be using the an evening slot 'regularly'. He > was a good readable signal (559) here tonight 2150 to 2207z despite the > static on 136.84kHz heard in an SSB bw filter with a low level TV drifty > higher in frequency. He was not heard to make a qso again tonight. I worked Reino on Monday at 1908z, MM0ALM also worked him. We often work during the week both daytime and evening. I expect others are not listening otherwise they would hear him. G3KEV > He has > used 136.84 (ish) the last twice I have heard him. > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > Alan.Melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "gii3kev" Sender: To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: Tip Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:22:44 +0100 Organization: Netscape Online member Message-ID: <3B9F1B54.50268BC6@netscapeonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en Hi All Litz wire. To solder litz wire of the variety used by Decca. Strip off about 10 -20 mm of the plastic/cotton covering Dip the exposed end in paint stripper for a few minutes. Use a tooth brush to remove the disolved enamel insulation, dip end in white spirit and wipe. Solder the exposed bare copper end in the usual way. Using this method no special tools or solder pots are required. This procedure is not required for the self fluxing litz type wire. G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Alan Melia" Sender: To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: OH1TN Reino active again at 2155z (Tues) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:09:52 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c13b11$6c87b380$425f7ad5@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, Reino OH1TN seems to be using the an evening slot 'regularly'. He was a good readable signal (559) here tonight 2150 to 2207z despite the static on 136.84kHz heard in an SSB bw filter with a low level TV drifty higher in frequency. He was not heard to make a qso again tonight. He has used 136.84 (ish) the last twice I have heard him. Cheers de Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Alberto di Bene" Sender: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: CFA (once more) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:42:19 +0100 Message-ID: <20010911124219.3706.qmail@nwcst280.netaddress.usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.21.01) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Rik Strobbe wrote: [...] > Constructing a 10m high CFA or EH-antenna mounted at groundlevel would > already be a big challenge to most of us, if you size that down to 20m > you get a 10cm high antenna that you have to put on the ground. > I wonder if any CFA of that size will work. [...] Well, the 20m EH antenna on demonstration was a cylinder of roughly 15cm diameter and 60cm length (by memory). > Some interesting articles (both for the 'believers' and 'non believers') > about the Crossed Field Antenna can be found at : > http://www.eriinc.com/IEEE/ Thanks for the pointer. I read the first three papers and, indeed, the CFA advocates must have had a tough time there... Another interesting reading is here : http://www.nrb.org/Magarchives/April_2001/Crows_or_Swans.htm Unless we all have misinterpreted the meaning of CFA... in this case the right place to go for info is this : http://www.cfainc.org/ :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Gasparik Richard" Sender: To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" Subject: LF: LF meeting... Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:58:22 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333BF26@btss103a.swh.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi LF-ers... As I announced about month ago, the first LF-meeting in Slovakia will be in Sintava (29.-30.september 2001) in the OM2TW's "two towers" LF QTH. It's about 60km from Bratislava (about 120km from Vienna), near the highway between Trnava and Nitra. We are just testing all equipments for the 136kc operation from this very quiet location. We will use the 400W transmitter and the 21m high marconi antenna with 2x36m cap. hat, DF3LP loop antenna for receiving, packet cluster (HA6DX or OK0DXH) and internet for the skeds. You may send us the message to mailto:om2tw@nextra.sk. We prefer CW on 136.5, but we will also have QRSS facilities. Starting saturday very soon morning with antenna building, so I hope to be QRV in about two hours (around 10.00 UTC). We will be QRV about 24 hours (maybe more). Possible calls will be OM2TW and OM3KIB (our radioclub callsign), maybe other visitors callsigns. If you want to enjoy the LF-meeting, don't hesitate to contact me ! If not, than be QRV because we will have a good signal.... More informations on request. Best regards...73 and enjoy LF...de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Sender: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003e01c130d4$30973360$7798fea9@host.telepac.pt> <3B8E1787.4FB4EC0D@usa.net> <00a601c1316f$0791a180$d3331997@KOSOVEUALESSANDRO> <3.0.1.16.20010911092252.2c47dcf4@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> Subject: Re: LF: Re: CFA (once more) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:15:35 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20010911111535.423f583e@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group In-reply-to: <3B9DD9EA.67F706DB@usa.net> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be Hello Alberto, Thanks for your comments. I have also a lot of sceptisism in regard with CFA (and similar) antennas but as they say 'eating is the proof of the pudding' (or something like that), so I have more faith in test results than in theoretical discours. As far as I know radioamateurs have tested CFA / EH-antennas on shortwave. I you scale the relative sizes and mounting heights to 136kHz it often comes to an almost 50m heigh constructions mounted at several 100m above ground, I have no doubt that this would make a wonderfull LF antenna. Constructing a 10m high CFA or EH-antenna mounted at groundlevel would already be a big challenge to most of us, if you size that down to 20m you get a 10cm high antenna that you have to put on the ground. I wonder if any CFA of that size will work. But on the other hand we don't need to go for 80 or 90% efficiency, I would be more than happy to achieve 1% efficiency. Bernd (DF8ZR) has built a 20 EH-antenna and will test it at different heights above ground. If this antenna really works the way the inventors explain then then signalstrength should be relative independent versus the height. If the signal strength raises by 6dB when doubling the mounting height then it might just function as an ordinary vertical with a very funny tophat. 73, Rik ON7YD >On this subject, this last weekend I went to a hamfest in Piacenza, Italy, >where some commercial prototypes of the EH Antenna were presented. >They had a couple of Yaesu FT-1000MP, one connected to a full size >dipole for the 40m band, and the other to an EH antenna for the same band. >I asked if I could play a little with them, they said 'yes, of course'. >Then I tuned a faint CW signal with both receivers. The full size dipole >outperformed the EH but only by a slight edge, which apparently was >remarkable, given the difference in size. But then I went outdoor, to look >at both antennas. The EH was installed just half meter above the center of >the dipole.... hmmm... I suspect a strong coupling between the two... >probably the lines of force of the electromagnetic field were made denser >by the dipole in the proximity of the EH antenna... > >Then I asked for a further test on the 20m band, where no dipoles were >installed, using this time an indoor EH antenna, mounted on a 2-meter tall >support. They agreed, and even connected a microphone to the transceiver. >The 20m band was rather quiet (it was about noon on Saturday), with only >a few signals. I called a Cyprus station who called CQ Contest, but no answer. >Then I found another station, an SV1, also calling CQ. This one answered me, >giving me an S5 report, but then he failed to answer a question I posed him, >showing that my readability was less than perfect... > >All in all, I am quite skeptical about this antenna, theoretical considerations aside. >A friend OM regularly makes QSO with a 1.5m whip, base-loaded, from his car >on the 7, 14 and 21MHz bands, so this new EH antenna seems to perform nothing >more, nothing less than a short loaded dipole, not worth the money they ask for >it, nor the troubles for building it. > >Just my opinions. > >73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Alberto di Bene" Sender: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003e01c130d4$30973360$7798fea9@host.telepac.pt> <3B8E1787.4FB4EC0D@usa.net> <00a601c1316f$0791a180$d3331997@KOSOVEUALESSANDRO> <3.0.1.16.20010911092252.2c47dcf4@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> Subject: LF: Re: CFA (once more) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:31:22 +0100 Message-ID: <3B9DD9EA.67F706DB@usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-Accept-Language: en Rik Strobbe wrote: > Some interesting articles (both for the 'believers' and 'non believers') > about the Crossed Field Antenna can be found at : > http://www.eriinc.com/IEEE/ > [...] On this subject, this last weekend I went to a hamfest in Piacenza, Italy, where some commercial prototypes of the EH Antenna were presented. They had a couple of Yaesu FT-1000MP, one connected to a full size dipole for the 40m band, and the other to an EH antenna for the same band. I asked if I could play a little with them, they said 'yes, of course'. Then I tuned a faint CW signal with both receivers. The full size dipole outperformed the EH but only by a slight edge, which apparently was remarkable, given the difference in size. But then I went outdoor, to look at both antennas. The EH was installed just half meter above the center of the dipole.... hmmm... I suspect a strong coupling between the two... probably the lines of force of the electromagnetic field were made denser by the dipole in the proximity of the EH antenna... Then I asked for a further test on the 20m band, where no dipoles were installed, using this time an indoor EH antenna, mounted on a 2-meter tall support. They agreed, and even connected a microphone to the transceiver. The 20m band was rather quiet (it was about noon on Saturday), with only a few signals. I called a Cyprus station who called CQ Contest, but no answer. Then I found another station, an SV1, also calling CQ. This one answered me, giving me an S5 report, but then he failed to answer a question I posed him, showing that my readability was less than perfect... All in all, I am quite skeptical about this antenna, theoretical considerations aside. A friend OM regularly makes QSO with a 1.5m whip, base-loaded, from his car on the 7, 14 and 21MHz bands, so this new EH antenna seems to perform nothing more, nothing less than a short loaded dipole, not worth the money they ask for it, nor the troubles for building it. Just my opinions. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "gii3kev" Sender: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001a01c1371b$5cabeb60$94a806d5@dr.nabe> Subject: Re: LF: A new one from eastern Germany Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:00:42 +0100 Organization: Netscape Online member Message-ID: <3B9CF1BA.E2A6D385@netscapeonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit  

Reiner Nabe wrote:

 Last Sunday (2nd of September) I listened DK0CQ - loc. JO62PP, near Berlin,  a new one. This was my first contact with a station from Eastern Germany. Did anyone ever listen any station from Eastern Germany before? Here, near Frankfurt, he was vy strong but he seemed have "deaf ears". 73  Reiner  - DL3FDO -
DK0CQ was audible and workable from my qth near Scarborough IO94SH. He did not reply to my call.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Andrew Talbot" Sender: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Re: October IOTA/HF Conference ? Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:16:11 +0100 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C5AB@PDW-MAIL-R1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-3Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)id ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:16:09 +0100 X-4Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by cchecker.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:02:52 +0100 X-5Received: from softdnserror (HELO cchecker.dstl.gov.uk) (192.168.248.52) by mailex.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 10 Sep 2001 12:04:09 -0000 Well, I'm already talking at the HF Convention on Digital Voice and related topics, but could give an off-the-cuff overview of the Tx. Say about 15 - 20 minutes........... Could be a busy day ! Andy G4JNT > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Kesteloot [mailto:akestel@attglobal.net] > Sent: 2001-09-10 13:17 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Re: October IOTA/HF Conference ? > > how about Andy G4JNT make a short presentation on his high-power > transmitter ? > > -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Andre Kesteloot" Sender: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3B969B7A.C7F5C351@ieee.org> <001801c136da$7d70cf00$ba29f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> <3B982934.CDE892B9@ieee.org> <3B9C6857.6DA9D325@virgin.net> Subject: Re: LF: Re: October IOTA/HF Conference ? Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:17:03 +0100 Message-ID: <3B9CAF3F.80881B89@attglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (WinNT; I) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-Accept-Language: en Stewart Bryant wrote: > Having looked at the timetable for the HF convention, I am wondering > if there would be any interest in an extra short paper session for LF. yes indeed > We at the Crawley club would like to report on our work on MB7LF > which we hope to have working by then. > yes > There were a couple of excellent papers at the round-table that perhaps > would interest a wider audience. how about Andy G4JNT make a short presentation on his high-power transmitter ? 73 André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Stewart Bryant" Sender: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3B969B7A.C7F5C351@ieee.org> <001801c136da$7d70cf00$ba29f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> <3B982934.CDE892B9@ieee.org> Subject: Re: LF: Re: October IOTA/HF Conference ? Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:14:32 +0100 Message-ID: <3B9C6857.6DA9D325@virgin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-Accept-Language: en > > > Try http://www.rsgb.org/hfc2001/timetable.htm Having looked at the timetable for the HF convention, I am wondering if there would be any interest in an extra short paper session for LF. There has been some interesting work that has been done on active antennas both in the US by Amrad ,and here and perhaps the participants could be prevailed upon to give a talk on their work. We at the Crawley club would like to report on our work on MB7LF which we hope to have working by then. There were a couple of excellent papers at the round-table that perhaps would interest a wider audience. I am sure that there are other items. The main Saturday agenda seems full (I suggest that we stick to Sat to make it a single day), but I would imagine that we could ask to use one of the rooms after the official programme. Any interest, any thoughts about the topics? Stewart G3YSX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26614 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2001 21:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 2001 21:29:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 27718 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2001 21:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 9 Sep 2001 21:27:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15gBys-0005hF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:19:06 +0100 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176] helo=protactinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15gByr-0005hA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:19:05 +0100 Received: from [213.123.18.41] (helo=default) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15gByD-0004DM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:18:26 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c13974$9bb36760$29127bd5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: Reino in 136 again Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 22:04:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all Reino was active and calling CQ 2040 to 2059z on about 136.83 with no takers. He was a steady 569 here in an SSB bandwidth on the speaker, despite a TV drifty 500Hz higher. He closed at 2100 with no qso that I heard. This is the first time I have heard him active for some time. Cheers de Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13138 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2001 15:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2001 15:41:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17733 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2001 15:39:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 7 Sep 2001 15:39:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15fNd3-0001e0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 16:33:13 +0100 Received: from smtp0.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.193.6] helo=smtp.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15fNd1-0001dv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 16:33:11 +0100 Received: from nl9222 (p519.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.201.83]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f87FWOt28090 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:32:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <200109071532.f87FWOt28090@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:32:37 +0100 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: A new one from eastern Germany X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] X-FoxAttach: E:\Hotdog\Publish\WANADOO\PIX\qrsdk0cq.jpg MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030405050407000604030902" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030405050407000604030902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 9/6/01 11:30:00 PM, you wrote: >Last Sunday (2nd of September) I listened DK0CQ - loc. JO62PP, near Berlin, a new one. This was my first contact with a station from Eastern Germany. Did anyone ever listen any station from Eastern Germany before? Here, near Frankfurt, he was vy strong b >ut he seemed have "deaf ears". > >73 Reiner - DL3FDO - > Reiner.. Tnx for the info, i received DK0CQ over a week ago[Qrss] but was not sure of this callsign, No luck yet hearing him in Cw... 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in MIME format. --------------010005090206090900000609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Michael Stubbs-Race schrieb: > Many thanks for the valuable notes re the FT767. Most interested regards > frequency calibration low down. I might stay with the Palomar converter for > low stuff. > > By the way Uwe, when using the 9k6 on 70cm, do you use any kind of interface, > or can this be injected directly into the rig? > > 73 > > Mike VK2ASR > Hi Mike, 1. 9k6: guess u know, that modification of the FT-767GX for 9k6 BPS operation is necessary ? if not, the steps doing the modification are on a sheet enclosed. the diagram is awful. but reading it twice one will understand it. I got it out of a PAKETradio mailbox abt ten years ago. 2. I do use FLEXNET sofware and a BayCom modem (PICPAR 9600bd). FLEXNET from (D)K7WJ via internet and the modem from DF9IC/DG3RBU (shop). 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15fGZK-0005Zv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 09:00:54 +0100 Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15fGZJ-0005YK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 09:00:53 +0100 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA795228 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:00:13 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20010907085900.2bff4544@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 08:59:00 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: A new one from eastern Germany In-reply-to: <001a01c1371b$5cabeb60$94a806d5@dr.nabe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Reiner, in the past I worked DL7YA (JO62QL). 73, Rik ON7YD At 23:30 6/09/01 +0200, you wrote: >Last Sunday (2nd of September) I listened DK0CQ - loc. JO62PP, near Berlin, a new one. This was my first contact with a station from Eastern Germany. Did anyone ever listen any station from Eastern Germany before? Here, near Frankfurt, he was vy strong but he seemed have "deaf ears". > >73 Reiner - DL3FDO - > > > >Attachment Converted: "C:\EUDORA\ATTACH\LFAnewon.htm" > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27694 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2001 02:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2001 02:03:21 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 24689 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2001 02:01:24 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 7 Sep 2001 02:01:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15fApm-0001yU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 02:53:30 +0100 Received: from out2.prserv.net ([32.97.166.32] helo=prserv.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15fApl-0001yP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 02:53:29 +0100 Received: from ieee.org (slip-32-103-10-200.md.us.prserv.net[32.103.10.200]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <200109070152462020549c8ae>; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 01:52:47 +0000 Message-ID: <3B982934.CDE892B9@ieee.org> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 21:56:04 -0400 From: "Andre Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: October IOTA/HF Conference ? References: <3B969B7A.C7F5C351@ieee.org> <001801c136da$7d70cf00$ba29f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John Rabson wrote: > André, > Try http://www.rsgb.org/hfc2001/timetable.htm > There are 3 LF sessions on the Saturday morning ( G3NYK, G3LDO, G3WKL). > 73 de > John Rabson G3PAI Thanks John for the good news. 73 André From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23076 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2001 01:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2001 01:59:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10508 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2001 01:57:33 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 7 Sep 2001 01:57:33 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15fAlL-0001xx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 02:48:55 +0100 Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.40]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15fAlK-0001xs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 02:48:54 +0100 Received: from BROCKRADIO@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id 7.142.12f1796 (4159); Thu, 6 Sep 2001 21:47:02 -0400 (EDT) From: BROCKRADIO@aol.com Message-ID: <142.12f1796.28c98115@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 21:47:01 EDT Subject: LF: Re: [AmFmTvDx] Long Wave Broadcasting To: donnatom@netins.net, lowfer@qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, amfmtvdx@qth.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In a message dated 9/5/2001 9:53:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, donnatom@netins.net writes: << This my seem a silly question, but I am curious. How is the audio quality of European LW BC stations? The bandwidth percentage is really something on those frequencies. (Most sound very good even in their secondary coverage area. The Far East Russian stations are often muddy and lack high end, but I think this is due to poor network lines. You are right, large surface size on the radiators help improve the bandwith , but base tuning is sharp. Look at what a large percentage just a sideband swing of a 8 Khz audio is, when your zero carrier freq. is just 153 Khz! -bw) Do they have special audio processing techniques? Are they rather "narrow" for broadcasting? (Almost all LW and MW stations in Europe run a limit of 90% modulation by mutual agreement to limit adjacent channel splatter. Remember, 9 Khz spacing used, sometimes less in the case of Europe 1 and Konigswusterhausen on longwave-bw) What type of antennae do the LW stations use? (Most run verticals. A famous 1/4 wave longwave tower in Poland came crashing down a number of years ago. Most impressive are the multi-tower directional 1/4 wave arrays used by France on 162 and others-bw) Just curious and very interested! (Hope that helps. Brock WH6SZ/4 Atlanta) Doc. >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19197 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 22:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 22:29:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 27924 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 22:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 22:27:51 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15f7Yo-0008Pf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:23:46 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15f7Yn-0008PX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:23:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 27288 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2001 22:22:35 -0000 Received: from b1830.pppool.de (HELO dr.nabe) (213.7.24.48) by mail.gmx.net (mp007-rz3) with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 22:22:35 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c13722$23fd40a0$301807d5@dr.nabe> From: "Reiner Nabe" To: "Reflektor" Subject: LF: A new one Eastern Germany II Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 00:18:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I forgot to add that I worked on 136 kHz.
 
73  Reiner  - DL3FDO -
 
Original Message:
Last Sunday (2nd of September) I listened DK0CQ - loc. JO62PP, near Berlin,  a new one. This was my first contact with a station from Eastern Germany. Did anyone ever listen any station from Eastern Germany before? Here, near Frankfurt, he was vy strong but he seemed have "deaf ears". 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 293 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 21:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 21:45:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 11547 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 21:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 21:44:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15f6nY-0007wx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 22:34:56 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15f6nX-0007ws-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 22:34:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 17123 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2001 21:34:06 -0000 Received: from aa894.pppool.de (HELO dr.nabe) (213.6.168.148) by mail.gmx.net (mp004-rz3) with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 21:34:06 -0000 Message-ID: <001a01c1371b$5cabeb60$94a806d5@dr.nabe> From: "Reiner Nabe" To: "Reflektor" Subject: LF: A new one from eastern Germany Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 23:30:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Last Sunday (2nd of September) I listened DK0CQ - loc. JO62PP, near Berlin,  a new one. This was my first contact with a station from Eastern Germany. Did anyone ever listen any station from Eastern Germany before? Here, near Frankfurt, he was vy strong but he seemed have "deaf ears". 
 
73  Reiner  - DL3FDO -
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8900 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 16:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 16:16:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 4169 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 16:14:39 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 16:14:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15f1i4-0004jk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 17:08:56 +0100 Received: from e24.nc.us.ibm.com ([32.97.136.230]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15f1i3-0004jf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 17:08:55 +0100 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e24.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08444 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:06:00 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss9.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.75]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v4.97.1) with ESMTP id f86G8BD90002 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:08:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3B979F58.5E01C30D@usa.net> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 18:07:53 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: QRG of SAQ transmission References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: James Moritz wrote: > [...] > The frequency wobbles around slightly - it was > about 17.220kHz +/-5Hz. Good ! This is in complete accord with what was captured by my friend. Now I can phone him to reassure him that he received the Real Thing ! Many thanks Jim. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25440 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 15:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 15:44:21 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 23149 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 15:42:25 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 15:42:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15f19U-0004QH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 16:33:12 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15f19T-0004QC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 16:33:11 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15f18q-0003uu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 16:32:32 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=mj9ar) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 15f18p-0000jP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 16:32:31 +0100 From: "James Moritz" Organization: University of Hertfordshire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:35:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: Re: QRG of SAQ transmission X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Alberto, LF Group, I recorded a .wav file of the SAQ broadcast yesterday. I checked the frequency using Spec Lab, and the calibration factors I use for Wolf reception. The frequency wobbles around slightly - it was about 17.220kHz +/-5Hz. A distinctive feature of the SAQ signal is the backwave - with the key up, the TX power is only reduced by about 20dB, not completely eliminated. At my QTH this is audible, and shows up as a rather drifty carrier on the spectrogram. The backwave frequency was about 10-20Hz lower than the main signal. Incidentally, the error on the sampling rate of my soundcard is - 0.56% with 8kHz sample rate, +0.41% at 11k sample rate. So errors of this sort can arise due to the soundcard alone. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5767 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 13:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 13:54:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 15490 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 13:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 13:53:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ezW3-0003MQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:48:23 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ezW2-0003ML-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:48:22 +0100 Received: from abc (man-s059.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.41.186]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id f86Dldl02620 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:47:39 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c136da$7d70cf00$ba29f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3B969B7A.C7F5C351@ieee.org> Subject: LF: Re: October IOTA/HF Conference ? Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:46:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by zetnet.co.uk id f86Dldl02620 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: André, Try http://www.rsgb.org/hfc2001/timetable.htm There are 3 LF sessions on the Saturday morning ( G3NYK, G3LDO, G3WKL). 73 de John Rabson G3PAI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Kesteloot" To: "rsgb_lf_group" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:39 PM Subject: LF: October IOTA/HF Conference ? > Just received the latest issue (September 2001) of RadCom, and could not > find anything LF related in the > announcement for the IOTA/HF conference. > > 73 > André N4ICK > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1547 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 13:40:01 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 13:40:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19212 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 13:38:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 13:38:03 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ezH7-0003DK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:32:57 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ezH6-0003DF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:32:56 +0100 Received: from pickmere.demon.co.uk ([158.152.117.143]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15ezGS-000BEd-0W; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:32:16 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:08:16 +0100 To: "Dr. Tom Gruis" Cc: lowfer@qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, amfmtvdx@qth.net From: "M.J.Powell" Subject: LF: Re: [Lowfer] Long Wave Broadcasting References: <3B96D665.86894C88@netins.net> In-reply-to: <3B96D665.86894C88@netins.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In message <3B96D665.86894C88@netins.net>, Dr. Tom Gruis writes >Hi from Iowa, USA, EN31do > > This my seem a silly question, but I am curious. > > How is the audio quality of European LW BC stations? The bandwidth >percentage is really something on those frequencies. > > Do they have special audio processing techniques? Are they rather >"narrow" for broadcasting? The BBC Radio 4 transmitter on LW at Droitwich uses two masts with a triatic across the top, the vertical antenna is suspended from the middle of this triatic. They also boost the treble to compensate for the high 'Q' of this antenna. Mike -- M.J.Powell From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20627 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 13:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 13:39:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 19349 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 13:38:08 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 13:38:08 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ezH3-0003DD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:32:53 +0100 Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.101]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ezH2-0003D7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:32:52 +0100 Received: from northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (northrelay01.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.21]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA174088 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:29:29 -0400 Received: from usa.net (ss9.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.75]) by northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v4.97.1) with ESMTP id f86DVeH156564 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:31:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3B977AAC.F5DFFD0B@usa.net> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:31:24 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: QRG of SAQ transmission References: <6400371.999769753352.JavaMail.imail@goatee.excite.com> <3B976D40.6F628BA9@usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: As a further comment to my previous messages, I forgot to say that those SAQ reception captures were sent by I5IAR Umberto, who had simply connected a tuned length of wire to the line input of the sound card, no RX used... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19959 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 12:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 12:49:10 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 27373 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 12:47:14 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 12:47:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eyNl-0002cq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 13:35:45 +0100 Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.101]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eyNg-0002cl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 13:35:40 +0100 Received: from northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (northrelay01.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.21]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA226888 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:32:14 -0400 Received: from usa.net (ss9.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.75]) by northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v4.97.1) with ESMTP id f86CYPH24968 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:34:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3B976D40.6F628BA9@usa.net> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:34:09 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: QRG of SAQ transmission References: <6400371.999769753352.JavaMail.imail@goatee.excite.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080605040203050904000807" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080605040203050904000807 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit john sexton wrote:
I too noticed the frequency was not spot on and it increased a little at
start-up, but this is perhaps not surprising when you bear in mind the means
of generation and its age. In fact I am surprised that they can be as
accurate as they are.
Hi John,
  thanks for that info. From another capture, which I have received just now,
the increase that you mention can be clearly seen at the start of the transmission.
I am not complaining of course about the precision of the frequency, I am only
trying to use that up-shift as a positive mean of identification of the station.

73  Alberto  I2PHD


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201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010906094913.CJES29991.kuku.excite.com@goatee.excite.com> for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 02:49:13 -0700 Message-ID: <6400371.999769753352.JavaMail.imail@goatee.excite.com> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 02:49:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "john sexton" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: QRG of SAQ transmission MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender-Ip: 213.104.152.98 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Alberto, I too noticed the frequency was not spot on and it increased a little at start-up, but this is perhaps not surprising when you bear in mind the means of generation and its age. In fact I am surprised that they can be as accurate as they are. Probably the Sound card error is a combination of actual with card error. It is normally necessary to spend some time calibrating one's receive path, including the sound card, before it is possible to accurately measure the transmitted frequency. 73, John, G4CNN _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14668 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 09:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 09:55:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11876 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 09:53:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 09:53:25 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15evlT-0000zV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:48:03 +0100 Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.33]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15evlR-0000zI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:48:02 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id l.f5.ee7da36 (4159) for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 05:46:48 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 05:46:47 EDT Subject: Re: LF: Long Wave Broadcasting To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In a message dated 9/6/01 2:54:55 AM GMT Daylight Time, donnatom@netins.net writes: << Hi from Iowa, USA, EN31do This my seem a silly question, but I am curious. How is the audio quality of European LW BC stations? The bandwidth percentage is really something on those frequencies. Do they have special audio processing techniques? Are they rather "narrow" for broadcasting? >> Good question. I recall that when Atlantic 252 first came on air from the old Butlins holiday camp north of Dublin, their audio was lacking HF content because of the limited bandwidth of the antennas. At one stage the transmitter would see a high SWR and trip down in power because of the poor match 3kHz off the carrier frequency. Now, they've added extra wires to the antenna to improve the bandwidth and they are happy. It's worth remembering that MW broadcasters here works on a 9kHz spacing and not the 10kHz US standard, that's a whole 500Hz less audio. Audio 'processing' is a silly war here on FM and AM. The station I work for has just spent about 11,000 Dollars on a processor so it can sound as loud as the competition. Unfortunately my ears rebelled and while the music sounds OK the speech is terrible. From an engineering perspective the Omnia 6 is interesting. Its located at the transmitter site and can be accessed from my PC via the phone line. The software shows the block diagram on the screen and I can turn up / down any of the functions (about 150 of them) and store the new settings to memory. It's a whole world away from the days of a single audio limiter and a volume control. Hope you get the audio clips from someone. 73 David G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2084 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 09:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 09:12:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 6994 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 09:10:19 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 09:10:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15euxB-0000Nh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 09:56:05 +0100 Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.101]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15euwz-0000Nc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 09:55:54 +0100 Received: from northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (northrelay01.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.21]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA182106 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 04:52:27 -0400 Received: from usa.net (ss9.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.75]) by northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v4.97.1) with ESMTP id f868scX206252 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 04:54:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3B9739BE.C250076A@usa.net> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:54:22 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: QRG of SAQ transmission References: <003101c13698$3b990ee0$6ea498c1@p133> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010905020800090500030300" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010905020800090500030300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A friend of mines sent me the attached picture of his reception
of the SAQ transmission, but he is unsure he has received the
real thing, though the time of reception was in accord with the
schedule. Specifically, he is puzzled by the 20 or so Hertz of
mismatch between the nominal frequency and what his sound
card reported.

Anybody else noticed such a shift ? Perhaps his sound card crystal
is a bit off, though an error of roughly 1e-3 seems too big.

73  Alberto  I2PHD


 
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#2) id 15es6P-0007C7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 06:53:25 +0100 Received: from p133 ([193.152.164.110]) by tsmtp1.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 tsmtp1 Jul 26 2001 13:10:38) with SMTP id GJ88B102.5N9; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 07:52:13 +0200 Message-ID: <003101c13698$3b990ee0$6ea498c1@p133> From: "Federico Olaizola Zabala" To: info@alexander.n.se Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SAQ 5 September Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 07:48:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

        Received SAQ in San Sebastián, IN93ah September 5, 2001  RST 569/539  QRN QSB
 
        Clear tone but noisi band
 
                                    73  Federico
 
       
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11437 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 03:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 03:50:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5310 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 03:48:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 03:48:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eq64-0005xa-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 04:44:56 +0100 Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.100]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eq62-0005xV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 04:44:55 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id l.154.85e923 (4415) for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 23:43:56 -0400 (EDT) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <154.85e923.28c84afc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 23:43:56 EDT Subject: Re: LF: Long Wave Broadcasting To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Doc, That's quite a collection of questions...and an even bigger list of reflectors it's posted to...but I'll try to answer what I can here. Longwave broadcasters do have to limit the maximum modulating audio frequency. Generally, it's 4.5kHz to accomodate the 9kHz channel spacing. Even so, it's no small feat to get a total 9kHz bandwidth through practical antenna systems at longwave frequencies. The result is rather dulled audio, even when heavy compression and multiband signal processing are used. There is an audio file in the LWCA library of Alvin and the Chipmunks singing "Let It Snow" in Icelandic, sent to us by Jacques d'Avignon. Since we are temporarily without a page with links to the sound library at this time, I'll e-mail you the file separately to give you an idea of the sound quality. (Now, there is a misimpression among some non-broadcaster technical types in this country that we limit AM broadcasters to 5kHz audio because of the 10kHz channel spacing here. Not so! There was no explicit regulatory limit at one time. The FCC allocation rules were originally based on the idea that 15kHz and even 20kHz audio components might get through the system. That's why our American allocation rules have so many different values of permitted overlap between signal strength contours, depending on the number of channels between the two frequencies of interest. But that was also back when aggressive audio processing was not the norm, and high audio frequencies were not artificially emphasized. These days, the FCC prescribes a very rigid emissions mask, limiting nearly all modulation energy to less than 10kHz, for an occupied bandwidth of 20kHz.) The wide-open American model doesn't apply to the LF broadcasters, though, because there are so many of them on such a relatively small number of channels. There, emission limits are a necessity right up front. Also, directional antenna systems are more common among longwave broadcasters than they were among European mediumwave AM broadcasters, also because of the crowded conditions on the limited number of channels. (A high-power international longwave station is such a big capital investment anyway, that a more elaborate antenna array wasn't really that much extra cost for many broadcasters.) You may have seen the Donnebach two-tower array in The LOWDOWN recently, for instance. And you may have noticed on this reflector, back in mid-August, a quoted excerpt from the Europe 1 web site describing their 4-tower directional array. All major longwave broadcasters, directional or not, use very substantial vertical masts, mostly on the order of 200 - 350 metres in height, along with buried radial systems and ground mattes. Except for their sometimes larger size, these radiating systems look very much like their counterparts at any high-power US or Canadian mediumwave broadcast station. 73, John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22332 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 02:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 02:01:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 23438 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 01:59:40 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 01:59:40 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eoKA-0004uW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 02:51:22 +0100 Received: from ins22.netins.net ([167.142.225.22] helo=smtp-out.netins.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eoK9-0004uO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 02:51:21 +0100 Received: from netins.net (desm-32-118.dsl.netins.net [167.142.32.118]) by smtp-out.netins.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26798; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:50:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B96D665.86894C88@netins.net> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 20:50:29 -0500 From: "Dr. Tom Gruis" Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?www.gruis.org_&_K=D8HTF?= X-Sender: "Dr. Tom Gruis" <@smtp.netins.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lowfer@qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, amfmtvdx@qth.net Subject: LF: Long Wave Broadcasting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi from Iowa, USA, EN31do This my seem a silly question, but I am curious. How is the audio quality of European LW BC stations? The bandwidth percentage is really something on those frequencies. Do they have special audio processing techniques? Are they rather "narrow" for broadcasting? A favor: could anyone perhaps post a sound file so I could actually hear one? I know of an Iowa radio station on the lower part of our AM band (540 to now 1700 KHz.) that used to boost the audio highs as much as possible and still meet FCC proof of performance requirements, to, in their opinion, to improve their sound quality. What type of antennae do the LW stations use? Just curious and very interested! Doc. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7193 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 23:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 23:22:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7412 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 23:22:33 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 23:22:33 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15elsF-0003NI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 00:14:23 +0100 Received: from [192.139.219.100] (helo=fanmail.fanshawec.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15elsD-0003ND-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 00:14:22 +0100 Received: from [198.96.18.110] (dialin110.fanshawec.on.ca [198.96.18.110]) by fanmail.fanshawec.ca (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.4) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:15:49 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 19:11:41 +0100 Subject: LF: Receiver modifications - seeking help! From: "Mitch Powell" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lf@amrad.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Seeking info: Has anyone seen or heard of modifications for Drake R8 receiver. Specifically, I am interested in the mod to restore the preamplifier function when operating below 1.8 MHz. My search attempts have not been successful. Thanks all 73 Mitch VE3OT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1536 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 21:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 21:41:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10586 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 21:40:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 21:40:56 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ekLh-0002Rf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:36:41 +0100 Received: from out4.prserv.net ([32.97.166.34] helo=prserv.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ekLg-0002RZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:36:40 +0100 Received: from ieee.org (slip-32-103-17-73.md.us.prserv.net[32.103.17.73]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <20010905213557204013h47me>; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:35:59 +0000 Message-ID: <3B969B7A.C7F5C351@ieee.org> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:39:06 -0400 From: "Andre Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: LF: October IOTA/HF Conference ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Just received the latest issue (September 2001) of RadCom, and could not find anything LF related in the announcement for the IOTA/HF conference. 73 André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18701 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 18:40:57 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 18:40:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 26872 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 18:39:06 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: High Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 18:39:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ehUu-0000jE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 19:34:00 +0100 Received: from asterix.tee.gr ([212.70.193.140]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15ehUt-0000j9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 19:33:59 +0100 Received: from teeserver.tee.gr (teeserver.tee.gr [212.70.193.130]) by asterix.tee.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f85IXPS32414 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:33:26 +0300 Received: from s9o9f0.eexi.gr ([212.70.200.21]) by teeserver.tee.gr (Netscape Messaging Server 4.1) with ESMTP id GJ7CXD00.DAF for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:34:25 +0300 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010905213037.00a8b9c0@aurora.eexi.gr> X-Sender: sv1xv@aurora.eexi.gr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 X-Priority: 1 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:33:15 +0300 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Costas Krallis SV1XV" Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Today In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Lowfers! Unfortunately I was not able to arrive at home in time for the transmission. Fortunately George SV1BDS and Alex SV8QG received the royal transmission using loop antennas. Both reported lots of atmospheric noise. 73 Costas SV1XV +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Costas Krallis SV1XV * LOC KM18UA | | P.O.Box 3066 * E-Mail: sv1xv@eexi.gr | | GR-10210 Athens * PGP key: 0x3BDBBC34 | | GREECE * http://www.qsl.net/sv1xv/ | | * http://w4u.eexi.gr/~sv1xv/ | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8515 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 18:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 18:10:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 17712 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 18:09:02 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 18:09:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eh2B-0000Rp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 19:04:19 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eh2A-0000Rk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 19:04:18 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15eh1P-00054A-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 19:03:31 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=mj9ar) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 15eh1P-0006vF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 19:03:31 +0100 From: "James Moritz" Organization: University of Hertfordshire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:06:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: SAQ Today X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, I received the SAQ broadcast at 1515utc today - it was 599 again, and contrary to other reports, I thought there was a little less QRN than during the July transmission. I also tried my electro-mechanical RX again - still works! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18403 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 17:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 17:57:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9706 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 17:56:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 17:56:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15egpR-0000IF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 18:51:09 +0100 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15egpQ-0000IA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 18:51:08 +0100 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id l.45.bb654f2 (4403) for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:49:53 -0400 (EDT) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <45.bb654f2.28c7bfc1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:49:53 EDT Subject: LF: SAQ transmission - fb copy in DL To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10506 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello group,

Nice copy of the SAQ signal here in northwestern DL (loc JO42FD).
I received the signal clean and easily readable with a very small antenna
made of a bundle of ferrite rods, 400 turns of wire and a JFET as impedance
converter. The 17.2 kHz then fed to the soundcard of a PC, using SpecLab's
"software VLF radio" to convert the signal down to 650 Hz.

My colleagues at the QRL first looked a bit puzzled what funny sounds came
out of the speaker, and even more puzzled when I wrote down the greetings
message on a piece of paper.

I don't know what the field strength of SAQ was here (had no time to
calibrate the soundcard), but it was stronger than the noise radiated from
the PC monitor about 4 meters away from the ferrite antenna.

Thanks to the operators at SAQ for doing a great job.

73    Wolf    DL4YHF.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15413 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 16:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 16:42:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13984 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 16:40:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 16:40:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15efah-00086G-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:31:51 +0100 Received: from [204.202.140.199] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15efad-00086B-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:31:48 +0100 Received: from gomailjtp01 ([10.212.0.161]) by mta07.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0GJ700FLN6U03V@mta07.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:22:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "John Sexton" Subject: LF: SAQ transmission today at 15.20 UTC To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <3325122.999706972226.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: VVV DE SAQ SAQ VVV VVV DE SAQ CQ CQ CQ DE SAQ SAQ SAQ = ETAT = GRIMETON 5/9 = IN JULY 1925 MY GREAT GRANDFATHER INAUGURATED GRIMETON RADIO AND ON JAN 1 2000 SAQ TRANSMITTED MY MILLENNIUM MESSAGE STOP TODAY ON OUR ROYAL TOUR WE SEND OUR BEST WISHES FROM SAQ = CARL GUSTAF REX SYLVIA REGINA + 17.2 kHz was very noisy today. A lot of impulse QRN made the message difficult to read, despite a good 599 signal from SAQ. 73, John, G4CNN ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27969 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 16:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 16:23:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 26055 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 16:22:51 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 16:22:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15efGO-0007oy-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:10:52 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.89]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15efGL-0007ot-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:10:49 +0100 Received: from alg.demon.co.uk ([194.222.171.80]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15efFg-0003gq-0V; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:10:08 +0100 Message-ID: <3B965000.73F07639@alg.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:17:04 +0100 From: "Steve Rawlings" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: carriers References: <3B867C3D.42A9DB5B@netscapeonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Recently, Mal wrote: > . . . Could do with more acty during the week both daytime and evening. Ron G6RO reports that he will try and be active on 136 kHz during the week, as time permits. Ron cannot guarantee any specific operating schedule, but he hopes to be QRV at even hours UTC, especially 10:00; 12:00; and 14:00. During the day today (Wednesday), Ron reports having worked Werner ON6ND; Mike GW4HXO; and Finbar EI0CF. F6BWO was also active. Regards to all, Steve GW4ALG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11559 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 16:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 16:01:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 9897 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 16:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 16:01:32 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eeyQ-0007eO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 16:52:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.91]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eeyM-0007eH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 16:52:14 +0100 Received: from boxernet.demon.co.uk ([194.222.47.214] helo=TRIXY) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15eexi-0004Qt-0X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:51:34 +0100 From: "Michael Probert" To: "lf group" Subject: LF: SAQ. Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:50:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello All, At 15.15 the old Alexanderson tx transmitted two short messages on 17.2kHz ---- " v v v cq cq de SAQ = Grimeton 5/9 = the people of the world on July 2 1925 my great grandfather inaugurated Grimeton radio and on Jan 1/ 2000 SAQ transmitted my millennium message. Today on our royal tour we send our best wishes from SAQ = Carl Gustaf Rex Silvia Regina. v v v de SAQ." Received 5.7.9 with heavy QRN Mike GW4HXO. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5200 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2001 22:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 22:14:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 8631 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2001 22:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 22:13:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eOMv-0006DW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:08:29 +0100 Received: from mta05.mail.au.uu.net ([203.2.192.85] helo=mta05.mail.mel.aone.net.au) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eOMu-0006DR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:08:28 +0100 Received: from mstubbs ([63.60.255.79]) by mta05.mail.mel.aone.net.au with SMTP id <20010904220744.ZIVV7694.mta05.mail.mel.aone.net.au@mstubbs> for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:07:44 +1000 Message-ID: <000d01c1358d$8519b580$4fff3c3f@mstubbs> From: "Michael Stubbs-Race" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01c131a7$c3ebe240$6fff3c3f@mstubbs> <15cole-0YB0saC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> Subject: Re: LF: LF Receiver Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:47:03 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Many thanks for the valuable notes re the FT767. Most interested regards frequency calibration low down. I might stay with the Palomar converter for low stuff.
 
By the way Uwe, when using the 9k6 on 70cm, do you use any kind of interface, or can this be injected directly into the rig?
 
73
 
Mike VK2ASR
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10859 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2001 17:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 17:48:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 3922 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2001 16:53:52 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 16:53:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eJJX-000385-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:44:39 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from galahad.joust.net ([63.108.136.2] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eJJV-000380-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:44:37 +0100 Received: from benny-hill (m4-138-135.joust.net [63.108.138.135]) by galahad.joust.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f84Ghsf16440; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:43:55 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <200109041643.f84Ghsf16440@galahad.joust.net> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 12:43:50 -0400 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Steve Dove" Subject: Re: LF: Receiver X-Mailer: Opera 5.02 build 856a X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Ulrich, Concur Dave's advice on the Inrad filters. Their 125Hz @ 455kHz filter, although it might seem ridiculously narrow by 'normal' standards is perfect for LF use. In fact it's super for conventional CW, PSK31 and such at UHF (topband and above) too. Cheers, Steve W3EEE >I would recommend getting a good filter for the 455 IF, it really makes the >receiver so much better. The skirt selectivity of the 8MHz filters is not as >good as the 455 ones . . . >Try International radio for a good range of filters at slightly less money >than the Kenwood ones. > >Their web-site is at http://www.qth.com/inrad/ > >73. Dave G3YXM. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22039 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2001 11:10:13 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 11:10:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 13923 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2001 11:09:04 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 11:09:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eDz1-0008UK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 12:03:07 +0100 Received: from gateg.kw.bbc.co.uk ([132.185.132.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eDyz-0008UF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 12:03:06 +0100 Received: from sunf0.rd.bbc.co.uk (ddmailgate.rd.bbc.co.uk [132.185.128.104]) by gateg.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f84B2LE06533 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:02:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc523 by sunf0.rd.bbc.co.uk; Tue, 4 Sep 01 12:01:47 BST Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010904120145.024ceda0@pop3> X-Sender: simonlh@pop3 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 12:01:45 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Simon Lloyd-Hughes" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Carriers / TV QRM In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Can I suggest that you get in contact with the RSGB EMC Committee. ( try their web site at RSGB.org.uk) There has been much information about interference from television switch mode supplies in the EMC column in Radcom over the years. It maybe that your's does not conform to the current standards. In most cases only batch testing is done. Is it a feature of the set? Do you think this would be of interest to the wider audience? Likewise do you have a solution? At 19:03 30/08/01 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/30/01 7:56:00 PM GMT Daylight Time, >mike@boxernet.demon.co.uk writes: > ><< My problem is, what do I replace it with. Has anyone recently installed a > modern TV that does not cause QRM on 136 ? It would seem like "self > mutilation" (Selbst-Verstuemmelung) to retain this equipment, particularly > at present here in the UK with the awful junk generally being offered to us > on tv. > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated ! >> > > >I have a Sony and a Panasonic 'portable'. Both of these are clear on 136k. > >David G0MRF > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6708 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2001 08:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 08:28:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 28967 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2001 08:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 08:16:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eBHi-0006o1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:10:14 +0100 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15eBHY-0006nZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:10:04 +0100 Received: from [217.35.34.58] (helo=mud) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15eBGr-0004KG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:09:21 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c1351a$4a6c06e0$0100a8c0@home> From: "G3YXM" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3.0.1.16.20010827102249.2d576aba@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> <3.0.1.16.20010828090220.30f77454@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> <002201c12fbe$7b7ce940$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> <3B8C9E5C.1E075231@abnamro.nl> <3B8CCCD4.27810EFB@usa.net> <3B9474C0.893D08F0@abnamro.nl> Subject: Re: LF: Receiver Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:19:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Ulrich I would recommend getting a good filter for the 455 IF, it really makes the receiver so much better. The skirt selectivity of the 8MHz filters is not as good as the 455 ones so you will notice an improvement there, in addition the fact that you will have two CW filters means that you will be able to use the bandwidth controls properly to roll off either the HF or LF side of the passband. The best idea is to have two filters of the same bandwidth but a 400 or 500Hz filter at 455 will still be very useful in conjunction with your 270 at 8.8. Try International radio for a good range of filters at slightly less money than the Kenwood ones. Their web-site is at http://www.qth.com/inrad/ 73. Dave G3YXM. > L.S. > > Thank you all for your comments and advice. It made it much easier to > make a decision. > I got a TS-850SAT with 270Hz filter on the 8.33MHz if. So maybe I have > to invest in a second filter for 455KHz. > Its great to see how a single question creates not only useful answers, > but also > generates some discussion about the topic. > > Thanks again. > > Ulrich, PA7EY > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11103 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2001 06:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 06:45:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 20158 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2001 06:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 06:43:40 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15e9ir-0005qd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 07:30:09 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from triton01.abnamro.nl ([167.202.193.11]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15e9iq-0005qY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 07:30:08 +0100 Received: from inetml01.inet.nl.abnamro.com ([10.63.234.67]) by triton01.abnamro.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15674 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:31:56 +0200 (MEST) Received: from abnamro.nl ([10.49.21.61]) by inetml01.inet.nl.abnamro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA2426 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:29:21 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3B9474C0.893D08F0@abnamro.nl> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 08:29:20 +0200 From: "Ulrich Idzes" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Receiver References: <3.0.1.16.20010827102249.2d576aba@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> <3.0.1.16.20010828090220.30f77454@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> <002201c12fbe$7b7ce940$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> <3B8C9E5C.1E075231@abnamro.nl> <3B8CCCD4.27810EFB@usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: L.S. Thank you all for your comments and advice. It made it much easier to make a decision. I got a TS-850SAT with 270Hz filter on the 8.33MHz if. So maybe I have to invest in a second filter for 455KHz. Its great to see how a single question creates not only useful answers, but also generates some discussion about the topic. Thanks again. Ulrich, PA7EY From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22565 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2001 12:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2001 12:08:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 27662 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2001 12:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 3 Sep 2001 12:06:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15dsJT-0004BF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Sep 2001 12:54:47 +0100 Received: from fep02.swip.net ([130.244.199.130] helo=fep02-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15dsJP-0004BA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Sep 2001 12:54:43 +0100 Received: from W98 ([212.151.111.55]) by fep02-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20010903115359.OAVB10648.fep02-svc.swip.net@W98> for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 13:53:59 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c1346f$1fe99320$376f97d4@W98.swipnet.se> From: "C Andersson" To: "RSGB LF Group" Subject: LF: SAQ on air Sept 5 Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 13:54:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: SAQ Grimeton on 17,2 kHz will be on air on September 5th 15.15 UTC. http://www.alexander.n.se/kungligtbesk/ /sm6pxj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28616 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2001 08:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2001 08:43:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 7357 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2001 08:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 2 Sep 2001 08:41:39 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15dSkz-0006d2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2001 09:37:29 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15dSkt-0006cx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2001 09:37:23 +0100 Received: from abc (man-s164.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.45.35]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id f828agl05111 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 09:36:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c1338a$5f65e020$232df7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004001c13382$df89ce40$4932fd3e@compaq> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Daytime from Europe, DCF39 Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 09:35:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey Gardner" To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 8:42 AM Subject: LF: Re: Daytime from Europe, DCF39 > Have a look at > > http://www.nels.org/Source/documents/html/interfer.html Are the Ongar transmitters still running? I thought the main masts were felled in the 1960s. I remember the GPO telephoning me and asking if I wanted one! 73 de John Rabson G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16250 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2001 07:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2001 07:48:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 11621 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2001 07:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 2 Sep 2001 07:47:45 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15dRue-00066O-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2001 08:43:24 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.42]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15dRud-00066J-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2001 08:43:24 +0100 Received: from compaq ([62.253.50.73]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010902074243.COIC29790.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@compaq> for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 08:42:43 +0100 Message-ID: <004001c13382$df89ce40$4932fd3e@compaq> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Daytime from Europe, DCF39 Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 08:42:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Larry Have a look at http://www.nels.org/Source/documents/html/interfer.html as you might just find something suitable there. 73s Tracey >I am very interested to find any signals from Asia in the range of 133 to >139 kHz, especially if the signal is 7x24 and capable of at least 1 part in >10-10th frequency stability at the transmitter. If anyone has any >recommendations I would certainly appreciate hearing them. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14793 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2001 02:14:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2001 02:14:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 27290 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2001 02:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 2 Sep 2001 02:12:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15dMbV-00031U-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2001 03:03:17 +0100 Received: from tomts14.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.35] helo=tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15dMbT-00031P-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2001 03:03:16 +0100 Received: from server1 ([216.209.110.81]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010902020205.MSSF8611.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1> for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 22:02:05 -0400 Message-ID: <004101c13353$252cf510$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> From: "Larry Kayser" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001c1317b$ea824970$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> Subject: LF: Daytime from Europe, DCF39 Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 22:00:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Greetings All on LF. Just a short note, I am receiving DCF39 most every day, all day now (July and August), using a resonant loop antenna and an EVM56 evaluation board for the dsp. I see the frequency line 24 hours now, only rarely does it go away. My bucket size is less than 1.22 milliHz and I can see the day/night frequency change on DCF39 as well, variation is very small but it is visible most days. I now feel that LF coverage is really a matter of having a receiver and transmitter that are capable of coping with the technical requirements - the signal is there if you can get down to it in the noise. The limiting case is how far down in the noise one can look and can the rx and tx be kept on the frequency to permit the integration time to work properly. I dont see any signals of course when the local noise gets very high - amazingly this does not occur that often. I am very interested to find any signals from Asia in the range of 133 to 139 kHz, especially if the signal is 7x24 and capable of at least 1 part in 10-10th frequency stability at the transmitter. If anyone has any recommendations I would certainly appreciate hearing them. Larry VA3LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13442 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2001 08:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 2001 08:29:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 8297 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2001 08:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 1 Sep 2001 08:27:49 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15d5zG-000202-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Sep 2001 09:18:42 +0100 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15d5zF-0001zx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Sep 2001 09:18:41 +0100 Received: from [213.123.19.69] (helo=default) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15d5yb-0006N3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Sep 2001 09:18:02 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c132be$53e3d620$45137bd5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: re TV QRM Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 00:07:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Steve, well I suspect the problems will be swept away by changing the verbage if we were to make too big a fuss with the authorities. I suspect the actual conditions of the TV licence depend on one of the Radio Telgraphy Acts possibly modified by later Radio Communications Bills. I remember seeing that in the late 50s or early 60 there was similar wording on the TV licence document. Then quite suddenly it changed to say "no undue interference". I thought at the time that was sneaky as the 10.125kHz from the old 405 line service was a killer on the MF bands. I am not sure whether it stated "broadcast services" or not. To use this with the RA "sledgehammer" would just be to get them to change that line on the next licence print (lowest cost option). My guess is that the dealer is the most vulnerable point of attack. First he stands to loose a customer and as conditions are at the moment no-one wants that. The customer could quite correctly cite the Sale of Goods Act at him and invoke the local Trading Standards. He might also worry about the possibility of being sued by the customer, a growing problem in the UK with solicitors looking for business everywhere. It is also a gentle way to get a slight edge in the negotiations with your neighbour I would suggest. We always seem to be at a disadvantage. The knock out blow is when you offer to cure it for no charge without voiding the warranty. I think it should be possible to get the dealer to pay for a braid-breaker and/or a mains filter (RSGB EMC bits??). It the dealer says there is no EMC spec below 1MHz, which is probably correct, you can tell him that you are not invoking that legislation. The RT Act as I understand it in essence requires that these radiations be kept within the boundaries of your own premises. (a rather difficult thing to achieve!!) As a final blast how out the Human Rights legislation....you must surely have a right to enjoy your chosen hobby within your own premises without unwarranted interference from another property!! This one could bite both ways if you have TVI problems when you transmit!! "Hobby-horse" now stabled !! Good luck one and all. Cheers de Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com