From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4161 invoked from network); 1 May 1999 00:01:52 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 1 May 1999 00:01:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 19973 invoked from network); 30 Apr 1999 23:02:46 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (194.75.130.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 30 Apr 1999 23:02:46 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10dMDQ-0001DY-01; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:57:04 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA32606 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:56:07 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA32602 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:56:05 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10dMBM-0001AJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:54:56 +0100 Received: from [193.237.77.63] (helo=default) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10dMBE-000OUk-0B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:54:49 +0000 From: "Graham Phillips" To: "RSGB L.F. Group" Subject: LF: Peter Bobek, DJ8WL. Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:53:06 +0100 Message-ID: <01be935c$3630e180$0100007f@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Like many others, I feel that my words cannot do justice to the sense of loss that we all feel. My first QSO with Peter was on the 13th December 1971, on 1.826 MHz C.W. when we had a 23 minute QSO. Our first phone contact followed on the 20th October 1973, and I have the QSL card for this contact. Over the years I have worked Peter many times, always on Topband until very recently when he was my first 136 kHz contact with Germany. I first met Peter when John, G3WKL, introduced us at a hostelry before we ventured forth into the Beaumont Centre at Windsor to install the 136 kHz station, GB4RS. During the weekend Peter operated the station, and watching his technique I felt that I could begin to understand why he was such a successful Topband operator. According to Jeff Briggs, K1ZM, in his book, DXing on the Edge, Peter started listening to Topband as a 16-year old in 1959 using a two-tube receiver. The same book has a CD of Topband DX stations, of which five tracks were recorded by Peter, including his contact with KL7Y. Peter was the second German station to achieve 160-Meter DXCC. ( Number 33 ). I would like to suggest that we, as a group of L.F. interested people, should instigate some form of perpetual award, dedicated to the Memory of Peter, DJ8WL/DA0LF. Maybe this could be presented annually to the station deemed to have achieved the best results, or generated the most interest in the new L.F. band. We could use this reflector as the initial forum, but publicity should be sought outside, as some interested parties would not have access here. 73 Peter, I trust that we will one-day QSO again, Graham, G3XTZ. Graham B. Phillips - G3XTZ. g3xtz@rgcomms.demon.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23150 invoked from network); 1 May 1999 02:22:32 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 1 May 1999 02:22:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 8106 invoked from network); 1 May 1999 01:23:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (194.75.130.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 1 May 1999 01:23:26 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10dOOc-0002wu-00; Sat, 1 May 1999 02:16:46 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA01122 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Sat, 1 May 1999 01:15:58 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA01118 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 01:15:55 GMT Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net ([199.45.39.157]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10dONp-0002wh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 1 May 1999 02:15:57 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-127-96.bellatlantic.net [151.200.127.96]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA27205; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3729A60A.1470FA76@bellatlantic.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:46:02 -0400 From: "Andre' Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Peter Bobek References: <004701be9300$86b3dc90$ab97d28f@kate.geog.le.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > All of us who now operate on 136kHz owe a debt to DJ8WL - a true Radio > Amateur in every sense. We will miss you Peter. 73. > > John G4GVC Indeed we will. Peter was a great man, and a gentleman. Andre' N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9210 invoked from network); 2 May 1999 06:55:16 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 2 May 1999 06:55:16 +0100 Received: (qmail 14958 invoked from network); 2 May 1999 05:56:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (194.75.130.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 May 1999 05:56:41 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10dp9I-00018y-01; Sun, 2 May 1999 06:50:45 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA11400 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Sun, 2 May 1999 05:41:33 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA11396 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 05:41:31 GMT Received: from hil-img-7.compuserve.com ([149.174.177.137]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10dp0F-00017A-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 2 May 1999 06:41:23 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-7.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id BAA17330 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 2 May 1999 01:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 01:40:52 -0400 From: "Dave Sergeant" Subject: LF: Peter Bobek, DJ8WL. To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <199905020141_MC2-742D-7B2B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >From Dave G3YMC Like all of us, I was most sad to hear about Peter. I have always been a close friend of his, having our first QSO on Top Band in November 1973. While I was very active on that band during the 70's we had many memorable chats and he was always most helpful, even though my signal could hardly compete with his! In 1979 we met while I was on holiday in Germany and we had a most enjoyable day down the Rhine - Peter reminded me of this happy day when I saw him at the convention last October. His contribution to the LF scene is particularly relevant, and I think we are only now beginning to realise what a significant part he played in getting an allocation for 136, not only in Germany but in the rest of Europe and beyond. It is rather poignant that he was not able to participate for long on the band he had strived so much for. Unfortunately I did not manage to have a QSO with him on 136. Received: (qmail 10419 invoked from network); 2 May 1999 13:26:19 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 2 May 1999 13:26:19 +0100 Received: (qmail 8740 invoked from network); 2 May 1999 12:27:45 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (194.75.130.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 May 1999 12:27:45 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10dvHS-0003nJ-00; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:23:34 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA13371 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:23:32 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA13367 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:23:30 GMT Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net ([199.45.39.156]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10dvH3-0003nG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:23:09 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-121-194.bellatlantic.net [151.200.121.194]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02390; Sun, 2 May 1999 08:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <372B858A.C0DAC558@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 18:51:54 -0400 From: "Andre' Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Peter Bobek, DJ8WL. References: <01be935c$3630e180$0100007f@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Graham Phillips wrote: > [...]I would like to suggest that we, as a group of L.F. interested people, > should instigate some form of perpetual award, dedicated to the Memory of > Peter, DJ8WL/DA0LF. Maybe this could be presented annually to the station > deemed to have achieved the best results, or generated the most interest in > the new L.F. band. Excellent idea Andre' N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4236 invoked from network); 2 May 1999 17:02:23 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 2 May 1999 17:02:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 3425 invoked from network); 2 May 1999 16:03:27 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (194.75.130.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 May 1999 16:03:27 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10dyef-0005Lc-01; Sun, 2 May 1999 16:59:45 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA14985 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Sun, 2 May 1999 15:59:52 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA14981 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 15:59:50 GMT Received: from mashie.force9.net ([195.166.128.30]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10dyeI-0005LV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 2 May 1999 16:59:22 +0100 Received: (qmail 10450 invoked from network); 2 May 1999 16:00:40 -0000 Received: from mayfly.plus.net.uk (HELO mayfly.force9.net) (195.166.128.28) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 2 May 1999 16:00:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 21508 invoked from network); 2 May 1999 16:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO prstesv1) (212.56.95.81) by mayfly.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 May 1999 16:00:16 -0000 Message-ID: <000701be94b5$0b64cf20$0600a8c0@prstesv1.prestel.co.uk> From: "Dave" To: "LF Group" Subject: LF: G2BBC/P Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 17:00:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Dear all. Myself and John G4GVC have just finished a portable session operating as G2BBC/P (my club callsign). QTH was Market Bosworth in West Leicestershire. We have to apologise for the massive QSB that everyone we worked commented on. The reason was the wind, or lack of it! Sometimes the kite would soar up to near-vertical (the 599 bits) then the wind would drop and it would slowly fall back allowing the wire to dangle on the ground and completely de-tune the system. To prevent the wire touching the ground too much I spent much of the time running around with a piece of dowell to hold the drooping wire off the grass... Occasionally the kite would dive off to one side and the wire would get tangled around some small trees, I then had to shout to John to stop sending whilst I disentangled it and run back with my little stick supporting the wire whilst the kite took it back up! LX1PD managed to time his CQ calls exactly wrong so that the kite was flying well during his calls and fell out of the sky when he was listening... better luck next time. The static got too bad to hear much and the picnic-ers became to numerous to continue by 13:45 so when the kite came down for the umpteenth time we gave up. We worked four countries, nine stations in all. We'll be back! Dave G3YXM. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12949 invoked from network); 2 May 1999 18:14:54 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 2 May 1999 18:14:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 22792 invoked from network); 2 May 1999 17:15:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (194.75.130.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 May 1999 17:15:58 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10dzmT-0005xl-00; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:11:53 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA15535 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Sun, 2 May 1999 17:11:53 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA15531 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 17:11:51 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.20]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10dzlw-0005xX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:11:20 +0100 Received: from [193.237.77.63] (helo=default) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10dzlk-000CZB-0K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 2 May 1999 17:11:11 +0000 From: "Graham Phillips" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: G2BBC/P Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 18:11:03 +0100 Message-ID: <01be94be$c23fa2c0$3f4dedc1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org At least you did not have static problems with the aerial ... it was not up long enough between QSB's to collect any !!! Very interesting though, let me know when you are planning another trip, and I will try and come along with a longer bit of dowell, 73 de Graham B. Phillips - G3XTZ. g3xtz@rgcomms.demon.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Dave To: LF Group Date: 02 May 1999 17:06 Subject: LF: G2BBC/P >Dear all. > >Myself and John G4GVC have just finished a portable session operating as >G2BBC/P (my club callsign). QTH was Market Bosworth in West Leicestershire. >We have to apologise for the massive QSB that everyone we worked commented >on. >The reason was the wind, or lack of it! Sometimes the kite would soar up to >near-vertical (the 599 bits) then the wind would drop and it would slowly >fall back allowing the wire to dangle on the ground and completely de-tune >the system. To prevent the wire touching the ground too much I spent much of >the time running around with a piece of dowell to hold the drooping wire off >the grass... Occasionally the kite would dive off to one side and the wire >would get tangled around some small trees, I then had to shout to John to >stop sending whilst I disentangled it and run back with my little stick >supporting the wire whilst the kite took it back up! LX1PD managed to time >his CQ calls exactly wrong so that the kite was flying well during his calls >and fell out of the sky when he was listening... better luck next time. >The static got too bad to hear much and the picnic-ers became to numerous to >continue by 13:45 so when the kite came down for the umpteenth time we gave >up. >We worked four countries, nine stations in all. >We'll be back! > >Dave G3YXM. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17031 invoked from network); 2 May 1999 18:47:13 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 2 May 1999 18:47:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 580 invoked from network); 2 May 1999 17:48:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (194.75.130.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 May 1999 17:48:17 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10e0Hf-0006Ca-01; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:44:07 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA15961 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Sun, 2 May 1999 17:44:31 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA15957 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 17:44:28 GMT From: MICROSAT@aol.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.68]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10e0HV-0006CV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:43:57 +0100 Received: from MICROSAT@aol.com (8058) by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id lTZRa17023 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 13:43:33 EDT Subject: LF: CFA (crossfield aerials) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 118 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hi Guy's It's my first time on the chat list, so please excuse any errors in protocol, Anyway what i was wondering was has anyone tried out the "new" cfa aerials on lf? reliable infomation on these beast's is hard to come by. But on the site http://www.antennex.com is some design info, and its chat list has quotes from some users/builders suggesting that they have great possibilitys I currently am in the stages of metal bashing one of these things together, but I understand that the matching network, required for its correct operation can be a bit of a pain in the bum??. Can anyone pass on any hints or comments about them ?? Cheers Paul G4HDS....... microsat@aol.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27085 invoked from network); 2 May 1999 19:55:35 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 2 May 1999 19:55:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 17881 invoked from network); 2 May 1999 18:56:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (194.75.130.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 May 1999 18:56:40 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10e1J6-0006jT-00; Sun, 2 May 1999 19:49:40 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA16430 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:49:55 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA16426 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:49:53 GMT Received: from webhosting.ron.de ([195.243.72.2]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10e1Il-0006jQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 2 May 1999 19:49:19 +0100 Received: from viper (ron-la4.ron.de [195.243.72.132]) by webhosting.ron.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA01672 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 20:41:30 +0200 Message-ID: <006101be94cc$653ba700$447ba8c0@viper> From: "Michael Oexner" To: "LF" Subject: LF: New e-mail address Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 20:44:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by webhosting.ron.de id UAA01672 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hi all, for those interested my new e-mail address: michael.oexner@spksuew.ron.de Please dispose of the old Compuserve address of mine... Enjoy the rest of the sunday! vy 73 + gd DX, Michael RX: ICOM R71A, Sony ICF-SW7600G Antenna: Radio West 22.5" ferrite loop with amplifier, 20m longwire Location: Roschbach, Germany N 49°15' E 8°07' Member: CSDXC, DSWCI, EUNL, LWCA, MWC Editor of "The European NDB Handbook" e-mail: michael.oexner@spksuew.ron.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21872 invoked from network); 3 May 1999 09:19:48 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 3 May 1999 09:19:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 7564 invoked from network); 3 May 1999 08:21:19 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (194.75.130.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 3 May 1999 08:21:19 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10eDqy-0003zr-00; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:13:28 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA22137 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 08:11:45 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA22133 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 08:11:42 GMT Received: from mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.8.44]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10eDp3-0003zo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:11:29 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA02900 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 10:16:16 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19990503090920.2f177ce6@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 09:09:20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Peter Bobek, DJ8WL. In-reply-to: <01be935c$3630e180$0100007f@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Like all other LF-ham the message of Peter's death struck me with unbelieve as even in the last month you were in contact via e-mail and had the intention to make a sked for a CW QSO between DA0LF and myself. And I can only repeat what others told, that Peter the example a what a ham should be : always friendly, willing to help, with great technical knowledge and experienced 'operating skills' on the bands. I had the same indea in mind as Graham, to do something to remember Peter : >I would like to suggest that we, as a group of L.F. interested people, >should instigate some form of perpetual award, dedicated to the Memory of >Peter, DJ8WL/DA0LF. Maybe this could be presented annually to the station >deemed to have achieved the best results, or generated the most interest in >the new L.F. band. We could use this reflector as the initial forum, but >publicity should be sought outside, as some interested parties would not >have access here. One of our e-mails we exchanged the time the first transatlantic tests were performed. He seemed to be very facinated and he told me that he saw a transatlantic LF-QSO as one of the ultimate challenges. So maybe we could designate this challenge to Peter by creating a kind of 'DJ8WL Memorial Trophy' that will be awarded to the first amatateur radio stations (one in Europe and one in North-America) that perform the very first two-way LF-QSO. Rik, ON7YD Rik Strobbe ON7YD rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be Villadreef 14 B-3128 Baal BELGIUM (JO20IX) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3821 invoked from network); 3 May 1999 10:32:16 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 3 May 1999 10:32:16 +0100 Received: (qmail 7153 invoked from network); 3 May 1999 09:33:19 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 3 May 1999 09:33:19 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10eExj-0005al-00; Mon, 3 May 1999 10:24:31 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA22577 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:24:40 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA22573 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:24:38 GMT Received: from mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.8.44]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10eExb-0004Vt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 3 May 1999 10:24:23 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA12398 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 11:29:15 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19990503102219.12dfc6d0@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:22:19 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: LF: weekend report 30/04-02/05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Due to limited time and very high QRN levels on saturday and sunday night only few stations were heard. Conditions on friday night were exeptional as despite the rather high QRN I could hear 2 Italian stations and OH1TN with very strong signals. Apperantly Reino could here the I's but not the other way round. Stations heard (seen) : Slow-CW : G3XDV (529), DK8KW (419) 'normal' CW : G3OLB (329), GW4ALG (539), IK5ZPV (549), OH1TN (539), I5MXX (559), PA0LQ (589), G4GVC (549), DF2PY (589). On friday night both OH1TN and myself tried to contact IK5ZPV and I5MXX without result. 73, Rik Rik Strobbe ON7YD rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be Villadreef 14 B-3128 Baal BELGIUM (JO20IX) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8822 invoked from network); 4 May 1999 06:45:55 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 4 May 1999 06:45:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 16235 invoked from network); 4 May 1999 05:47:08 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 4 May 1999 05:47:08 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10eXrD-0007iP-00; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:35:03 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA31096 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 05:34:51 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA31092 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 05:34:49 GMT Received: from dh-img-1.compuserve.com ([149.174.206.131] helo=hpdmgaaa.compuserve.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10eXqs-0004Vt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:34:42 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.4) id BAA14874 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 4 May 1999 01:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 01:34:05 -0400 From: "Dave Sergeant" Subject: LF: 73kHz To: "rsgb_lf_group" Message-ID: <199905040134_MC2-7456-7574@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >From Dave G3YMC It seems Rugby (60kHz) has started its annual maintenance program and is off the air every day during daylight (including weekends) for the whole of May. The 73kHz RTTY also seems to be off and is still off now. Perhaps a good month for experiments on 73. Of course it needs the static to be off as well, which is making 136 a bit difficult at the moment. 73s Dave G3YMC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23356 invoked from network); 4 May 1999 16:40:55 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 4 May 1999 16:40:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 10247 invoked from network); 4 May 1999 15:42:10 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 4 May 1999 15:42:10 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10ehEz-0000hE-01; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:36:13 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA03516 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:35:32 GMT X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA03512 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:35:29 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net ([195.102.240.34]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10ehDr-0000Pn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:35:03 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 10ehE3-0004Kv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:35:16 +0100 Received: from miked.rsgbhq [192.168.2.30] by rsgb.org.uk [192.168.2.132] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Tue, 04 May 1999 16:31:28 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" Organization: Radio Society of Great Britain To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:31:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: Weekend Report 30 Apr - 3 May Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org A long weekend with dry sunny weather. This resulted in more current in the antenna and the neighbours not watching TV/computer. It also meant lower than normal LF activity. Friday 30 April Heard G3BDQ (579); G3OLB (589); GW4ALG (589); G3KEV (599). Saturday 1 May Heard DF2PY (439); G3BDQ (589); G6NB (579); EI0CF (539). Worked G4GVC (599, 579). Sunday 2 May Very bad local noise. Also went out most of day. Heard G3YXM (599) By the time local noise had gone, the static was S '9'. Monday 3 May Local noise very low indeed for most of the morning - best day for weeks. Bad QRM from 1500. Heard G3KEV (599); G4GVC (599), G3XTZ (5 9+10 9); G6RO (549), G3OLB (589). Using QRSs and Spectrogram, QSO with ON4ZK ('O', 'O'). During the QSO G0MRF came up calling CQ only 3Hz away and much stronger than ON4ZK but made no difference to readability. Whilst suffering from insomnia, I heard the 137.0kHz RTTY at about 0130UTC on both Saturday and Sunday nights. Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23708 invoked from network); 4 May 1999 16:42:10 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 4 May 1999 16:42:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 10622 invoked from network); 4 May 1999 15:43:25 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 4 May 1999 15:43:25 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10ehEz-0000hD-00; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:36:13 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA03520 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:35:37 GMT X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA03511 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:35:29 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net ([195.102.240.34]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10ehDr-0000Pm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:35:03 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 10ehE3-0004Kt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:35:16 +0100 Received: from miked.rsgbhq [192.168.2.30] by rsgb.org.uk [192.168.2.132] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Tue, 04 May 1999 16:34:00 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" Organization: Radio Society of Great Britain To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:34:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: QRN Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Static is becoming a big problem again. Tips for newcomers to LF: (1) The static is usually much lower in the early morning - often none at all, even in August/September. Try breakfast time during the week. (2) QRSs contacts are very much less affected by S9 static than aural CW. (3) Contrary to what you would normally do, it sometimes works to widen the receiver bandwidth when trying to listen to a weak station in heavy static. It stops the filter 'ringing'. Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26576 invoked from network); 4 May 1999 16:52:20 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 4 May 1999 16:52:20 +0100 Received: (qmail 11956 invoked from network); 4 May 1999 15:53:58 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 4 May 1999 15:53:58 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10ehTX-0000rj-00; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:51:15 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA03704 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:51:37 GMT X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA03700 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:51:35 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net ([195.102.240.33]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10ehTQ-0000ZP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:51:08 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #34) id 10eiPM-00017l-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:51:01 +0000 Received: from miked.rsgbhq [192.168.2.30] by rsgb.org.uk [192.168.2.132] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Tue, 04 May 1999 16:35:51 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" Organization: Radio Society of Great Britain To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:36:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: Pictures Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org I have updated the drawing of my antenna (a Marconi bent into a triangle) on my web site and added some photographs of it. Follow the link from the address below. Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19298 invoked from network); 5 May 1999 00:02:31 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 5 May 1999 00:02:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 1922 invoked from network); 4 May 1999 23:03:48 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 4 May 1999 23:03:48 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10eoBt-0002G0-01; Wed, 5 May 1999 00:01:29 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA07555 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Tue, 4 May 1999 23:01:52 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA07551 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 23:01:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10eoBY-0003jq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 5 May 1999 00:01:08 +0100 Received: from [193.237.77.63] (helo=default) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10eoBU-000HZ8-0B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 4 May 1999 23:01:04 +0000 From: "Graham Phillips" To: "RSGB L.F. Group" Subject: LF: Activity, 136, 6/5/99. Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:59:55 +0100 Message-ID: <01be9681$d3ae0fa0$0100007f@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hi L.F.ers, Derek, G3GRO, is kindly coming to my local Club, The Echelford Amateur Radio Society, on Thursday, 6th May to talk about his L.F. operation. I plan on taking along a receiver, and small loop to try to hear some stations so I would be most grateful if anyone was able to be active on the 136 kHz band between about 7.30 P.M. and 9.30 P.M. There is no scope for a TX aerial, so we will not be able to reply, but I will announce anything heard via this reflector. Many Thanks, in advance, de G3XTZ. Graham B. Phillips - G3XTZ. g3xtz@rgcomms.demon.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15874 invoked from network); 5 May 1999 07:31:29 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 5 May 1999 07:31:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 2913 invoked from network); 5 May 1999 06:33:09 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 5 May 1999 06:33:09 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10evCJ-0002uT-00; Wed, 5 May 1999 07:30:23 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA10193 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 06:30:06 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA10177 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 06:30:02 GMT Received: from gatek.vs.dasa.de ([195.243.118.226] helo=gatekeeper.vs.dasa.de) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10evBp-0006ti-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 5 May 1999 07:29:53 +0100 Received: by gatekeeper.vs.dasa.de; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA08812; Wed, 5 May 1999 08:24:42 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Message-ID: From: "Koenig, Wolfgang" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: LF Fieldday of DL0UL/p Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:29:35 +0200 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hallo Group, a short report of the last weekends LF test by DL0UL/p. We started building up the UHF antennas for contest operation. There was a 12m and a 17m mast with yagi groups installed. On satuday we brought up the LW ant. I was fixed between a fir abt 15 m and the 12m mast. the spacing was abt 120m. From the 12m mast the wire was fed over a 50 m distance to the station. On the opposite side 4 radials each abt 150 m were spread. TRX was a TR7 with PA. The formation was easy to tune for matching to the 50 ohm output of my PA. The antenna current was abt 2 A peak. But: the noise was S9 to S9 +20 dB. And: there were interferences from the UHF station (432 MHz) . The noise was caused by the AC generator and the different computer monitors and switching powersupplies but the UHF operators were not willing to switch off for a few hours. To heare any signal on the band we had to turn on a 30 dB attenuator. So we only could work a few stations in the suoth germany area. There was DJ7RD at 0605 got 589 gave 559 DJ2EY at 0615 589 539 DJ2LF 0623 569 539 DF2PY 0803 549 539 After one hour of calling CQ the Equipment started oscillating on abt 50 khz during the unkeyed gaps. So we stoped the operation. Result: It is not possible to run a big VHF or UHF contest station parallel to a LF station. So: For the next LF fieldtest we are going to use only battery supply, no computers and any other trouble making equipment. We are going to Implement bandpass filters to the RX ant TX path. A loop antenna is under development, may be only for RX operation or for RX and TX. We will see. And we are planing to run a KW station for X-band operation next event. Fortunately the weather was dry and sunny. A few of us ever got a sunburn. So the whole equipment (LF and UHF) including the tents was easy to dismantle. We are planing to make a new LF test with improverd equipment. 73 de DL1SAN From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19548 invoked from network); 5 May 1999 16:32:39 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 5 May 1999 16:32:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 31081 invoked from network); 5 May 1999 15:34:00 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 5 May 1999 15:34:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10f3dv-0003zw-01; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:31:27 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA14035 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:31:15 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA14031 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:31:13 GMT Received: from yo2kjo.sorostm.ro ([193.226.98.28] helo=yo2kjo.ampr.org) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10f3dB-0002Kr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:30:43 +0100 X-BBS-Msg-Type: P Date: Wed, 05 May 99 15:30:20 +0000 Message-ID: <30325@yo2kjo.ampr.org> From: yo2is@yo2kjo.ampr.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: More LF info... Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit From: YO2IS Hello from KN05ps, am still around following the LF-net debates and learning from others experience. Just finished for the last weekend the new Loop, a 2m diam. hexagon, 10 turns in a good quality multifilar telephone cable. The loop tuned sharp on 137 KHz with abt. 400 pF, and can rotate it with a h.m. rotor used earlier with my 2 el 50Mhz Quad !. The loop is inside the roof space, conected to a KRLR style preamp. (BF 247, BC 252) and feed with 8m 75 Ohm coax to LF/80m convertor using a single uA 796 & a 4 MHz Xtal osc. Signals of the DCF 39 are at S9 plus and can hear equaly well the 135.8 signal from Greece. The most important is that got a sharp null on the local mains noise. Have heard some QRS CW on 137,.. KHz, but am not familiar to DSP, my PC (486DX50) seems to be inadeqaute...do hope my EME experience will help to copy some weak CW, hi. Have read in the hungarian ham magazine "Radiotehnika" 3/99, that HA2PP and HA3IS are interested in LF. Also HA8BE, a "top band" specialist, told me on 2m FM, that he will be soon QRV on 137 KHz. After an enthuziastic start, no more signs about LF from Slovakia (OM). 73 & DX, Szigy. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21909 invoked from network); 5 May 1999 22:05:38 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 5 May 1999 22:05:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 21443 invoked from network); 5 May 1999 21:07:22 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 5 May 1999 21:07:22 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10f8pr-0005BB-00; Wed, 5 May 1999 22:04:07 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA17165 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 21:02:30 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA17161 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 21:02:28 GMT From: G0MRF@aol.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.66]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10f8nf-0004q4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 5 May 1999 22:01:51 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com (7998) by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id lKUEa08655 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 17:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9377f650.24620b77@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 17:00:39 EDT Subject: Re: LF: LF Fieldday of DL0UL/p To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 118 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In a message dated 05/05/99 07:32:22 GMT Daylight Time, Wolfgang.Koenig@vs.dasa.de writes: << Subj: LF: LF Fieldday of DL0UL/p Date: 05/05/99 07:32:22 GMT Daylight Time From: Wolfgang.Koenig@vs.dasa.de (Koenig, Wolfgang) Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Reply-to: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ('rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org') File: Unknown (2731 bytes) DL Time (32000 bps): < 1 minute >> I've been a bit cautious since the e-mail attached virus a few weeks ago. So when files called unknown etc are downloaded automatically into my system and I find they are not mentioned in the body of their host e-mail - they just get deleted and not opened. If you send attached files please tell us what they are in the e-mail text. I'm probably missing some good news this way, but better safe than a victim of "Melissa" or "Chernobyl" Well done on the LF QSOs. Look forward to working you on the next one. Thanks David From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27533 invoked from network); 6 May 1999 00:45:00 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 6 May 1999 00:45:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 31403 invoked from network); 5 May 1999 23:46:23 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 5 May 1999 23:46:23 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10fBKX-0005kw-00; Thu, 6 May 1999 00:43:57 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA18559 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Wed, 5 May 1999 23:44:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA18555 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 23:44:26 GMT Received: from nms.rz.uni-kiel.de ([134.245.1.2]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10fBKJ-00068g-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 6 May 1999 00:43:43 +0100 Received: from mail.uni-kiel.d400.de (actually srv1.mail.uni-kiel.de) by nms.rz.uni-kiel.de with Local-SMTP (PP); Thu, 6 May 1999 01:43:29 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from nephro.uni-kiel.de by mail.uni-kiel.d400.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA06748; Thu, 6 May 1999 01:43:27 +0200 Message-ID: <3730D7A8.3CD59556@nephro.uni-kiel.de> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 01:43:36 +0200 From: "Peter W. Schnoor" Organization: University of Kiel, Clinic of Nephrology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: LF Fieldday of DL0UL/p References: <9377f650.24620b77@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hello Group, G0MRF@aol.com wrote: > I've been a bit cautious since the e-mail attached virus a few weeks ago. > > So when files called unknown etc are downloaded automatically into my system > and I find they are not mentioned in the body of their host e-mail - they > just get deleted and not opened. If you send attached files please tell us > what they are in the e-mail text. > > I'm probably missing some good news this way, but better safe than a victim > of "Melissa" or "Chernobyl" Hmm! Using LINUX here... :) > Well done on the LF QSOs. Look forward to working you on the next one. Me too! 54°16'N / 10°04'E, JO54ag 73 es gl de Peter, DF3LP From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9746 invoked from network); 6 May 1999 06:53:10 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 6 May 1999 06:53:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 3515 invoked from network); 6 May 1999 05:54:55 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 6 May 1999 05:54:55 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10fH1Z-0006Ga-00; Thu, 6 May 1999 06:48:45 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA20821 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:48:45 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA20817 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:48:42 GMT Received: from gatek.vs.dasa.de ([195.243.118.226] helo=gatekeeper.vs.dasa.de) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10fH1P-000099-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 6 May 1999 06:48:35 +0100 Received: by gatekeeper.vs.dasa.de; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA23323; Thu, 6 May 1999 07:43:27 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Message-ID: From: "Koenig, Wolfgang" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: AW: LF: LF Fieldday of DL0UL/p Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 07:48:30 +0200 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hallo Group, I am sorry but i did not attach any file. The message was an ascii file typed in staight forward from the keyboard. If there are any problems reading the file, I can send it again. 73 de Wolf DL1SAN > ---------- > Von: G0MRF@aol.com[SMTP:G0MRF@aol.com] > Antwort an: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Mai 1999 23:00 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: LF Fieldday of DL0UL/p > > In a message dated 05/05/99 07:32:22 GMT Daylight Time, > Wolfgang.Koenig@vs.dasa.de writes: > > << Subj: LF: LF Fieldday of DL0UL/p > Date: 05/05/99 07:32:22 GMT Daylight Time > From: Wolfgang.Koenig@vs.dasa.de (Koenig, Wolfgang) > Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Reply-to: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ('rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org') > > File: Unknown (2731 bytes) > DL Time (32000 bps): < 1 minute > >> > > I've been a bit cautious since the e-mail attached virus a few weeks ago. > > So when files called unknown etc are downloaded automatically into my > system > and I find they are not mentioned in the body of their host e-mail - they > just get deleted and not opened. If you send attached files please tell > us > what they are in the e-mail text. > > I'm probably missing some good news this way, but better safe than a > victim > of "Melissa" or "Chernobyl" > > > Well done on the LF QSOs. Look forward to working you on the next one. > > Thanks > > > David > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1582 invoked from network); 6 May 1999 13:00:01 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 6 May 1999 13:00:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 32412 invoked from network); 6 May 1999 12:01:48 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 6 May 1999 12:01:48 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10fMnm-00075R-00; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:58:54 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA23267 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:57:30 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA23263 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:57:22 GMT Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net ([199.45.39.157]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10fMly-0002vo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:57:03 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-126-13.bellatlantic.net [151.200.126.13]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA19347; Thu, 6 May 1999 07:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <373184A9.4846C614@bellatlantic.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:01:45 -0400 From: "Andre' Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "AMRAD Tacos" , "lowfer" Cc: "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: LF: AMRAD Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Although not "officially" on the air 24 hours a day yet, the AMRAD LF Beacon is being tested even as we speak, and you may be able to hear it. Our beacon is installed in Vienna, Virginia. (38-53-24 North, 77-15-43 West). We currently transmit on 136,750 with approximately 25 watts. Our message, sent at 10 wpm, consists in a series of Vs and our call-sign (WA2XTF/6). This is followed by a 5 second dash, a 5 second silence, and another 5 second dash, to allow for signal/noise level measurements. 73 Andre' N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10325 invoked from network); 6 May 1999 15:29:31 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 6 May 1999 15:29:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 14108 invoked from network); 6 May 1999 14:30:57 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 6 May 1999 14:30:57 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10fP8D-0007SG-00; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:28:09 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA24510 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:28:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA24505 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:28:21 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from nms.rz.uni-kiel.de ([134.245.1.2]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10fP81-00047f-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:27:57 +0100 Received: from mail.uni-kiel.d400.de (actually srv1.mail.uni-kiel.de) by nms.rz.uni-kiel.de with Local-SMTP (PP); Thu, 6 May 1999 16:27:02 +0200 Received: from nephro.uni-kiel.de by mail.uni-kiel.d400.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA27006; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:27:00 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3731A669.E8263433@nephro.uni-kiel.de> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 16:25:45 +0200 From: "P. W. Schnoor" Organization: Clinic of Nephrology, University of Kiel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: de, en To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: AW: LF: LF Fieldday of DL0UL/p References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hello Group, Hi Wolfgang, "Koenig, Wolfgang" wrote: > I am sorry but i did not attach any file. The message was an ascii file > typed in staight forward from the keyboard. If there are any problems > reading the file, I can send it again. No problem to read your mails even under Solaris or Linux. Indeed there are always attached files at your mails, called "Inbox" containing a lot of binary data around your mail text. I found the following note at the beginning of the attachment : "@IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note@1HAE". May be it could help to identify it. 54°16'N / 10°04'E, JO54ag 73 es gl de Peter, DF3LP From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20419 invoked from network); 6 May 1999 16:06:34 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 6 May 1999 16:06:34 +0100 Received: (qmail 2451 invoked from network); 6 May 1999 15:08:22 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 6 May 1999 15:08:22 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10fPiH-0007YD-00; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:05:25 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA24839 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:05:42 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA24835 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:05:40 GMT Received: from mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.8.44]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10fPhv-0004Rr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:05:04 +0100 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA04805 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 17:08:19 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19990506160123.2ea7e8ca@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 16:01:23 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: AW: LF: LF Fieldday of DL0UL/p In-reply-to: <3731A669.E8263433@nephro.uni-kiel.de> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org At 16:25 6/05/99 +0200, you wrote: >Hello Group, >Hi Wolfgang, > >"Koenig, Wolfgang" wrote: > >> I am sorry but i did not attach any file. The message was an ascii file >> typed in staight forward from the keyboard. If there are any problems >> reading the file, I can send it again. > >No problem to read your mails even under Solaris or Linux. > >Indeed there are always attached files at your mails, called >"Inbox" containing a lot of binary data around your mail text. I >found the following note at the beginning of the attachment : >"@IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note@1HAE". May be it could help to >identify it. Hello Wolfgang, I noticed that your mails that reach me via the LF reflector always have some kind of binary file attached while your direct mail to me is 'clean' (no attached files). Maybe that helps you to find the source of this unwanted attachements. 73, Rik Rik Strobbe ON7YD rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be Villadreef 14 B-3128 Baal BELGIUM (JO20IX) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4126 invoked from network); 7 May 1999 12:24:33 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 7 May 1999 12:24:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 30455 invoked from network); 7 May 1999 11:26:25 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 7 May 1999 11:26:25 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10fik2-00024M-00; Fri, 7 May 1999 12:24:30 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA02401 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:20:47 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA02397 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:20:44 GMT From: G0MRF@aol.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.68]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10fig5-0004hk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 7 May 1999 12:20:25 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com (8073) by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id lIWFa17023 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 07:19:35 EDT Subject: Re: LF: 73kHz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In a message dated 04/05/99 06:38:05 GMT Daylight Time, sergeantd@compuserve.com writes: << From Dave G3YMC It seems Rugby (60kHz) has started its annual maintenance program and is off the air every day during daylight (including weekends) for the whole of May. The 73kHz RTTY also seems to be off and is still off now. Perhaps a good month for experiments on 73. Of course it needs the static to be off as well, which is making 136 a bit difficult at the moment. >> Hello group. Well spotted Dave. If the RTTY is off tonight, Friday, I'll try my luck on 71.90kHz from around 19.00 UTC Will be able to work 73-73 or 73 - 136k. normal CW 2 way or QRS on TX only 0958 502540 and I'll call back. 73 David From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5915 invoked from network); 9 May 1999 18:07:41 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 9 May 1999 18:07:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 28980 invoked from network); 9 May 1999 17:09:45 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 9 May 1999 17:09:45 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10gX3I-0000mf-00; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:07:44 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA26872 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Sun, 9 May 1999 17:06:41 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA26849 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 17:06:30 GMT Received: from dub-img-10.compuserve.com ([149.174.206.140]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10gX1b-0001Eb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:05:59 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by dub-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id NAA13813 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 13:05:24 -0400 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: QRN vs. QRNN To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <199905091305_MC2-750A-E4C8@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hello Lowfers, I found the follwoing in the ARRL Letter Online (Volume 18, Number 19 of May 7, 1999): ----------------------------- quote ------------------------------------------------- QRN vs QRNN? A member recently asked about the distinction between QRN and QRNN. A search of our QST database via the ARRLWeb Members Only page revealed the source of this made-up Q-signal. It appeared as a Stray in the August 1931 issue of QST: "W6KX suggests a new abbreviation, QRNN, meaning man-made static, power leaks, etc. The difference between QRNN and plain QRN is that the former may let up in a short time, while the latter, when bad, usually lasts for some hours." Our Spring 1931 edition of the Callbook revealed that W6KX, since reissued, was held in 1931 by Keith LaBar of Hollywood, California. The term reportedly has limited currency today on the amateur bands and in SWL circles. --------------------------- unquote ---------------------------------------------- Does'n this sound familiar to us who are active on longwave? Seems thay had those problems already sixty years ago. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) http://www.dk8kw.home.pages.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14826 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 06:38:10 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 10 May 1999 06:38:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 29123 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 05:39:58 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 May 1999 05:39:58 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10gigU-0002AI-00; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:32:58 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA01627 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 05:32:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA01623 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 05:32:37 GMT Received: from ns.cro.cz ([193.179.196.2] ident=qmailr) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10gig3-0006GG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:32:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 15558 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 05:32:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from fw.cro.cz (HELO ns-int.cro.cz) (193.179.197.2) by ns.cro.cz with SMTP; 10 May 1999 05:32:26 -0000 Received: from radiohk.hk.cro.cz (ns.hk.cro.cz [172.27.1.2]) by ns-int.cro.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA23491 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:32:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc033hk.hk.cro.cz ([172.27.1.33]) by radiohk.hk.cro.cz (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA05043 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:31:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by pc033hk.hk.cro.cz with Microsoft Mail id <01BE9AB7.2ACCA560@pc033hk.hk.cro.cz>; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:31:50 +-200 Message-ID: <01BE9AB7.2ACCA560@pc033hk.hk.cro.cz> From: "Petr Maly" To: "'137 kHz'" Subject: LF: First report Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 07:31:48 +-200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hello guys. For the first time, since I got interested in LF, I spent weekend in my second QTH, weekend cottage in JO80CD. As int I used vertical abt 15mtrs with capacitancy hat. Actually, it was 1/3 lambda GPA for 28 MHz hung on nylon rope between trees, coax shielding and middle wire joined together on RX side (BTW is it correct in English to say "hatted" vertical?). On saturday evening at 1917 UTC, on 136.7 kHz, I heard pretty well I5MXX with RST 539. Not too strong but quite stable and readable. He sent CQ in normal CW for several tens of minutes. It is for the first time that I heard HAM station on the band for me. Result: My IC-751A seems not suffer from cross-modulation since insertion of 20 dB attenuator did not help to clear the band. But it urgently needs some preamlification because I had to have both RF and AF gain turned fully clock-wise. 73 Petr, OK1FIG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16739 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 07:00:35 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 10 May 1999 07:00:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 30054 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 06:02:23 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 May 1999 06:02:23 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10gj7P-0002K1-01; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:00:47 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA01951 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:00:51 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA01947 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:00:49 GMT Received: from mail2.hamilton-standard.com ([153.4.57.12]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10gj7K-0006TN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:00:42 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from curly.hsd.utc.com by mail2.hamilton-standard.com; (8.9.1/) id CAA24691; Mon, 10 May 1999 02:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from umrsvr by curly.hsd.utc.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/27Feb96-0334PM) id AA00934; Mon, 10 May 1999 01:59:31 -0400 Received: from nmex01nt.hsd.utc.com by umrsvr.hsd.utc.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/27Feb96-0334PM) id AA12028; Mon, 10 May 1999 01:56:53 -0400 Received: by NMEX01NT.hsd.utc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:56:59 +0100 Message-ID: <205F4B3C4BCED21184C7006097630A8A06927B@NMEX01NT.hsd.utc.com> From: "Soegiono, Gamal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: rep 990509 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 07:56:55 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello all despite "high" local noise managed to copy: May 09/1999 08:58 UTC 137.1?? heared "CQ DE DJ1RL" BW=200Hz S(DJ1RL)=? 14:28 UTC 137.1?? heared "CQ DE DJ1RL" BW=200Hz S(DJ1RL)=? S(137.4 carr)=-89dBm S(noise floor)=-93dBm Best 73 Gamal Soegiono (SWL) 50N01 / 08E27 / JO 40 fa soegiono@nm.hsd.utc.com soegiono@nmex01nt.hsd.utc.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18262 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 07:18:32 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 10 May 1999 07:18:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 30826 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 06:20:20 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 May 1999 06:20:20 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10gjOn-0002Ug-00; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:18:45 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA02190 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:18:49 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA02186 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:18:46 GMT Received: from mail2.hamilton-standard.com ([153.4.57.12]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10gjOg-0006dO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:18:38 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from curly.hsd.utc.com by mail2.hamilton-standard.com; (8.9.1/) id CAA22414; Mon, 10 May 1999 02:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from umrsvr by curly.hsd.utc.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/27Feb96-0334PM) id AA01099; Mon, 10 May 1999 02:17:32 -0400 Received: from nmex01nt.hsd.utc.com by umrsvr.hsd.utc.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/27Feb96-0334PM) id AA12305; Mon, 10 May 1999 02:17:12 -0400 Received: by NMEX01NT.hsd.utc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:17:18 +0100 Message-ID: <205F4B3C4BCED21184C7006097630A8A06927C@NMEX01NT.hsd.utc.com> From: "Soegiono, Gamal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: spectrum list update Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:17:16 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi all, it's now 12 months ago I started collecting stations on frequencies below 153 kHz and put them into a list. Here is an update which can be merged into former distributed list. May 07/1999 21:05 - 21:55 UTC Location Lattitude Longitude Locator RAUNHEIM (F16) 50o 01' N 08o 27' E JO 40 FA Hz;dBm;mode;IF-BW;Ant.;bearing;station (infos drawn from Klawitter >Lang- und Laengstwellenfunk<, ISBN 3-922221-77-7);remarks 11 8;-101;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;Alpha ? 12 6;-106;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;Alpha ? ? 15 0 ?;-97;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;Audio like DCF49;? IMP ? 18 1;-84;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 19 6;-94;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 20 3;-91;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 20 9;-80;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK ? 22 0 ?;-103;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;Audio like time signal;? IMP ? 23 4;-76;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK ? 26 0 ?;-94;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;Audio like time signal;? IMP ? 37 5;-80;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 45 9;-55;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 51 9;-60;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 53 4;-69;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 57 4;-87;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 57 7;-69;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 60 000;-53;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;MSF;Standard time&frequency 62 6;-50;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 65 8;-64;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 66 6;tbd;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;Standard time&frequency 68 0;-64;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 68 9;-49;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 75 0;-66;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;HBG;Standard time&frequency 77 500;-29;CW;50;ARA60 (4);-;DCF 77;Standard time&frequency 81 0;-54;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 118 8;-80;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 122 3;-69;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 122 500;-45;CW;50;ARA60 (4);-;DCF 42, DGPS signal, Mainflingen;Pilot tone 128 930;-21;CW;50;ARA60 (4);-;DCF 49, RC signal, Mainflingen;mark frequency 129 8;-74;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;not identified;FSK 135 360;-75;CW;50;ARA60 (4);-;3rd order Intermodulation;carriers (DCF49 & DCF42) 135 7;-74;CW;200;ARA60 (4);-;?? the greek station ??;FSK 138 830;-46;CW;50;ARA60 (4);-;DCF 39, RC signal, Burg;mark frequency 153 000;-20;CW;50;ARA60 (4);-;DLF, Donebach (day/night 500/250 kW);AM audio data delimiter = ";" ARA60(4) = active, electric, broadband antenna, mounted outdoors on top of 4 m mast. Mfr=Dressler LW3 = active, magnetic, tuned antenna, indoors Mfr=Grahn Best 73 Gamal Soegiono (SWL) 50N01 / 08E27 / JO 40 fa soegiono@nm.hsd.utc.com soegiono@nmex01nt.hsd.utc.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26400 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 08:27:20 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 10 May 1999 08:27:20 +0100 Received: (qmail 25307 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 07:29:26 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 May 1999 07:29:26 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10gkT7-0002bM-00; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:27:17 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA02738 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:27:22 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA02734 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:27:20 GMT Received: from mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.8.44]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10gkSz-000761-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:27:09 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA04509 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:31:47 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19990510082445.2e370802@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:24:45 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: LF: France active on 136 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Last night (sunday 9 may) I worked F6CNI on 136kHz (2-way !). This was my DXCC nr. 11, I am still 'missing' EI, OZ and SM. More detailled weekend report comes later today. 73, Rik Rik Strobbe ON7YD rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be Villadreef 14 B-3128 Baal BELGIUM (JO20IX) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28953 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 08:44:38 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 10 May 1999 08:44:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 2843 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 07:46:26 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 May 1999 07:46:26 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10gkjz-0002eo-00; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:44:43 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA02814 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:44:50 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA02810 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:44:47 GMT Received: from mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.8.44]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10gkjs-0007As-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:44:37 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA10500 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:49:21 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19990510084219.2d170698@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:42:19 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: LF: weekend report 6-8 may 1999 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Again very little time to be active on LF this weekend. Spent most of saturday at the UBA annual meeting and sunday was 'motherday' here in Belgium so we visited my and my wife's parents. I could be QRV all evenings (but on friday and saturday QRN was very high) and sunday morning for 1 hour (6.30 to 7.30 UTC). On sunday night propagation was very strange with up to 20dB QSB on DCF39 and DX stations as I5MXX and OH1TN 'in and out' for about 2 hours (20 to 22 UTC). I5MXX peaked 589 for about 10 minutes, he was that strong that even LX1PD heard him and had a QSO. Unfortunately by the time they finished their QSO I5MXX was back down to 549 and I missed him once more :) But 'highlight' of the weekend was a QSO with F6CNI (DXCC nr. 11) who was worked on sunday night with 529/459 reports. Welcome to LF France ! Seen in slow-CW : DJ5AO (O) Heard in 'normal' CW : HB9ASB (419) G3BDQ (529), PA0LQ (589), G3YXM (579), G4GVC (559), G3KEV (589), G3GRO/P (549), PA0MLC (559), OZ1KMR (579), F6CNI (529), LX1PD (599), I5MXX (589), G3XTZ (559), OH1TN (549). Other observations on sunday night : - while G3KEV worked I5MXX, Mario ware not audible at all here (little later he was 589) - while G3YXM worked HB9ASB and gave him 559, Toni was only 419 with me. The sun must have been in a strange mood .... 73, Rik Rik Strobbe ON7YD rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be Villadreef 14 B-3128 Baal BELGIUM (JO20IX) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14425 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 09:56:38 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 10 May 1999 09:56:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 9564 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 08:58:27 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 May 1999 08:58:27 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10glrl-0002mN-01; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:56:49 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA03233 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:56:47 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA03229 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:56:45 GMT Received: from server.italway.it ([193.70.27.5] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10glrT-0007gm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:56:32 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from a (ppp5.italway.it [193.70.27.54]) by server.italway.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18173 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:50:13 +0200 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990510090448.0067ace4@server.italway.it> X-Sender: yasmin@server.italway.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:04:48 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Yasmin Tour Agenzia Viaggi" Subject: LF: LF week-end report Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hello LF guys! Very nice conditions on LF last sunday. On 8 May worked: 0726z G3YXM 559, 0758z G4GVC 539, 0809z G3KEV 579 !!.No qsb during all qsos. 2055z LX1PD 559 qsb, new country for me. 73 de Marzio I5MXX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 846 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 10:51:19 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 10 May 1999 10:51:19 +0100 Received: (qmail 15611 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 09:53:08 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 May 1999 09:53:08 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10gmih-0002ru-00; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:51:31 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA03565 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:51:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA03561 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:51:36 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net ([195.102.240.34]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10gmiX-000899-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:51:21 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 10gmii-00038D-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:51:33 +0100 Received: from miked.rsgbhq [192.168.2.30] by rsgb.org.uk [192.168.2.132] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:49:16 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" Organization: Radio Society of Great Britain To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:49:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: Weekend Report 8/9 May Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Excellent conditions this weekend with fairly low man-made QRN (QRNN). Heard/saw 9 countries! Saturday 8 May Heard: HB9ASB (329); GW4ALG (559); IK5ZPV, the first time heard by ear though seen by Spectrogram before (549 at 2145UTC fading to 539 at 2240); G3BDQ (579); OH1TN (429). Saw on Spectrogram screen: ON4ZK (audible at 539). Worked: G4GVC (599/579). Sunday 9 May Another quiet day, though QRN increased in the afternoon. Heard: G3KEV (589); G3GRO (599) and G3GRO/P at Crawley Club (599); PA0LQ (439); LX1PD (569); G3BDQ (579); I5MXX (339) working LX1PD - a first?; OH1TN (539). Worked: G3YMC (3/4 3 9 / 579). Worked using QRSs DJ5AO (gave 'M', got 'O') for a new one, number 34 worked on 136kHz (7 using QRSs). Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27280 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 22:09:13 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 10 May 1999 22:09:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 29147 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 21:11:03 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 May 1999 21:11:03 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10gxHD-0004lH-01; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:07:51 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA10148 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:06:57 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA10144 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:06:55 GMT Received: from ah-img-2.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.153] helo=hpamgaab.compuserve.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10gxGD-0004YD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:06:49 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamgaab.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.4) id RAA22995 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:04:39 -0400 From: "Prof R. Jennison" Subject: LF: re: Weekend Reports 8/9 May To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <199905101706_MC2-7532-DB48@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org I was interested to see that all the weekend reports up to the time of writing this note concerned 136 kHz. I had hoped that there might have been some activity on 73 kHz. Rugby was off the air all weekend and may remain so for a little while - a chance in a lifetime !! I ran my beacon on Saturday and Sunday but have received no reports. Sadly I shall be dawdling in the Dordoign and basking in the Basque region for three weeks starting this Friday but I will set up my beacon on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Normal, but rather slow, cw. Probable frequency between 71.9 and 72.1 If necessary telephone 01227 761530. 73, Roger, G2AJV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6139 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 22:41:45 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 10 May 1999 22:41:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 1522 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 21:43:36 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 May 1999 21:43:36 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10gxmt-0004tL-01; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:40:35 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA10460 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:40:40 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA10456 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:40:37 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10gxmo-0004kx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:40:30 +0100 Received: from [193.237.77.63] (helo=default) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10gxmj-0006PX-0A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:40:26 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01be9b2d$b098f380$3f4dedc1@default> From: "Graham Phillips" To: "RSGB L.F. Group" Subject: LF: Thursday Evening ... Thanks ! Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:38:50 +0100 Organization: rgcomms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hi all L.F. ers I would like to thank all the stations who activated the band during Thursday evening ... I understand that quite a few were on, but I am afraid that we had an awful local QRM problem, and the only signal received was the 50 Watt beacon that David, G0MRF radiated. This was only just about detectable. Derek, G3GRO's talk on LF operating was very well received, and the display of equipment by Derek and Leck, G3KAU, who also attended, was very interesting. He managed to cover an amazing number of topics in about an hour and a half, and we felt that he could have filled another couple of hours quite easily. 73 de Graham B. Phillips - G3XTZ. g3xtz@rgcomms.demon.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14918 invoked from network); 11 May 1999 09:44:25 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 11 May 1999 09:44:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 23750 invoked from network); 11 May 1999 08:46:19 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 11 May 1999 08:46:19 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10h82z-0006Sy-00; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:37:53 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA15179 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:37:38 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA15175 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:37:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net ([195.102.240.34]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10h82W-0000sa-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:37:24 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 10h82h-0002Wh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:37:36 +0100 Received: from miked.rsgbhq [192.168.2.30] by rsgb.org.uk [192.168.2.132] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:36:06 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" Organization: Radio Society of Great Britain To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:36:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: LF: re: Weekend Reports 8/9 May Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199905101706_MC2-7532-DB48@compuserve.com> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > I was interested to see that all the weekend reports up to the time of > writing this note concerned 136 kHz. G2AJV wrote: > I had hoped that there might have been some activity on 73 kHz. Rugby was > off the air all weekend and may remain so for a little while - a chance in > a lifetime !! I ran my beacon on Saturday and Sunday but have received no > reports. > I was unaware of this opportunity until late in the weekend, but will put out a signal on 73kHz later this week. If anyone wants skeds this weekend, please e-mail me (mike@dennison.demon.co.uk). Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15867 invoked from network); 13 May 1999 19:18:41 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 13 May 1999 19:18:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 18842 invoked from network); 13 May 1999 18:20:49 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 13 May 1999 18:20:49 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10i034-0000rj-00; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:17:34 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA21554 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:13:15 GMT X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA21550 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:13:12 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net ([195.102.240.137]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10i0D0-0008CH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:27:50 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 10hzxf-0006Lf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:12:00 +0100 Received: from miked.rsgbhq [192.168.2.30] by rsgb.org.uk [192.168.2.132] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:56:31 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" Organization: Radio Society of Great Britain To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:57:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: Ropex 136kHz Tx Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org The first commercial 136kHz transmitter, the Ropex 'First', is reviewed by Dave, G3YXM, in the June edtion of Radio Today which is in the shops now. Copies also available by mail-order, see http://www.rsgb.org/rtoday/ Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4368 invoked from network); 13 May 1999 22:23:50 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 13 May 1999 22:23:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 8855 invoked from network); 13 May 1999 21:25:56 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 13 May 1999 21:25:56 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10i2vv-0001yK-00; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:22:23 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA23633 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:22:46 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA23629 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:22:43 GMT Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net ([199.45.39.157]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10i3AI-00012z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:37:14 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-120-65.bellatlantic.net [151.200.120.65]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15228; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <373B4394.B26F312C@bellatlantic.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:26:44 -0400 From: "Andre' Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Ropex 136kHz Tx References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080707060603060908090906" Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080707060603060908090906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Ropex "First" was also reviewed in the AMRAD Newsletter for May-June 1999, page 7. Andre' N4ICK ******************************************* Mike Dennison wrote: > The first commercial 136kHz transmitter, the Ropex 'First', is > reviewed by Dave, G3YXM, in the June edtion of Radio Today which > is in the shops now. --------------080707060603060908090906 Content-Type: multipart/signed; name="Attachment 0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Attachment 0" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_26EE_01C402C7.06156770" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_26EE_01C402C7.06156770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Ropex "First" was also reviewed in the AMRAD Newsletter for May-June 1999, page 7. 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------=_NextPart_000_26EE_01C402C7.06156770-- --------------080707060603060908090906-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9558 invoked from network); 14 May 1999 12:35:28 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 14 May 1999 12:35:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 1889 invoked from network); 14 May 1999 11:37:40 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 14 May 1999 11:37:40 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10iGAj-0007E1-00; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:30:33 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA31692 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:29:30 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA31688 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:29:28 GMT Received: from arl-img-10.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.140]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10iGO2-0007YC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:44:18 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id HAA06588 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 May 1999 07:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:28:24 -0400 From: "DEREK ATTER" Subject: Re: LF: Weekend reports 8/9 May To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <199905140728_MC2-75AE-3317@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >From Derek Atter, G3GRO. Over the weekend 8/9 th May I was active at various times from the Crawley Club Station using G3GRO/P with 250W RF to the 120m inverted "L" antenna with the horizontal single wire top section up at 20m. Was also using a single-turn square receiving loop with 12m sides, phased with the main antenna to very effectively cancel the very strong Loran pulse interference present for much of the day Activity on Saturday 8th. seemed to be pretty low with very bad QRN in the late afternoon and the only station I worked was Harry PA0LQ who was 539 and gave me 579. On Sunday 9th. Activity during the daytime seemed disappointingly low but QRN levels lower than the previous day. Worked John, G4GVC (589); Andy G4HYU in Louth (579), Dave G3YMC and Marcus, PA0MLC in Arnhem (539). Conditions peaked very noticeably later in the evening and for the first time heard OZ1KMN (549) at 20.00 UT, I5MXX at 20.50 UT who peaked to 549 over quite a short period of time and LX1PD but despite several calls to each, no QSOs resulted! Also heard Toni HB9ASB at 539 working Dave G3YXM. Discovered that using the canceller system to null out Loran (which lies on a bearing of about 210 deg. from me) works very well for most stations but I suddenly realised that seemed to peak from about 20.00 UT I have been relatively inactive on 136Khz in recent weeks due to a very high local noise level which has From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27627 invoked from network); 16 May 1999 18:54:01 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 16 May 1999 18:54:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 21658 invoked from network); 16 May 1999 17:56:24 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 16 May 1999 17:56:24 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10j55V-0003BT-01; Sun, 16 May 1999 18:52:33 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA25812 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Sun, 16 May 1999 17:45:52 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA25808 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 17:45:50 GMT Received: from man-110.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.40.141] helo=localhost.localdomain ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10j5D9-0004UH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 May 1999 19:00:28 +0100 Received: (from john@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.1/8.8.7) id OAA00754 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 May 1999 14:32:17 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: john set sender to word.factory@zetnet.co.uk using -f Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:32:17 -0000 () From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 kHz Report Sunday morning 16 May 1999 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Between 1030 and 1045 UTC today, at a rural location about 5 km east of Ipswich, I heard: G3GRO/P (569) workinjg GW4ALG (229) G3KEV (589) G3YXM (569) The RX was a CM Howes DC2000 modified for LF, plus an 80 cm square loop (335 uH) 73 de G3PAI ---------------------------------- E-Mail: John Rabson Date: 16-May-99 Time: 12:21:02 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26352 invoked from network); 17 May 1999 06:48:43 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 17 May 1999 06:48:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 2007 invoked from network); 17 May 1999 05:51:23 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 17 May 1999 05:51:23 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10jGBm-00044z-01; Mon, 17 May 1999 06:43:46 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA00989 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 05:42:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA00985 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 05:42:10 GMT Received: from ns.cro.cz ([193.179.196.2] ident=qmailr) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10jGOm-00013q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 May 1999 06:57:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 22074 invoked from network); 17 May 1999 05:41:58 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from fw.cro.cz (HELO ns-int.cro.cz) (193.179.197.2) by ns.cro.cz with SMTP; 17 May 1999 05:41:58 -0000 Received: from radiohk.hk.cro.cz (ns.hk.cro.cz [172.27.1.2]) by ns-int.cro.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA09084 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:41:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc033hk.hk.cro.cz ([172.27.1.33]) by radiohk.hk.cro.cz (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA13615 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:41:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by pc033hk.hk.cro.cz with Microsoft Mail id <01BEA038.B9E8B140@pc033hk.hk.cro.cz>; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:41:51 +-200 Message-ID: <01BEA038.B9E8B140@pc033hk.hk.cro.cz> From: "Petr Maly" To: "'137 kHz'" Subject: LF: Weekend report 16/5/99 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 07:41:49 +-200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hello LowFers. This weekend I proved one old truth. ANTENNA is the best amplifier. I made inverted L ant, where the vertical part was 21 m, the horizontal part is 32 m, most of horizontal part is in height 15 m above ground. Ant is stretched up to a high slope, so it is actually someting between inv L and a vertical ant. I tuned and matched this antenna with home-made variometer and some big coils. I was surprised. Signals came up few tens of dBs. Ground noise moves S-meter around S1 even during day, RTTY stn from Greece peaks S9 + 10 dB in night, DBF39 is all the time above S9 + 40dB. Now I feel no need to make any preselector, preamlifier or anything. IC-751A seems to manage theese signals. My listening was interrupted by heating in stoves and by ice hockey championship (hi...). This is the log here (reports given "by ear", not by S-meter): 15.5. 1320 136.9 DF2PQ 549 QRN, cq cq... (callsign perhaps wrong) 1645 136.8 DF2PY 589 cq cq... 1757 136.2 OZ1KMR 579 cq cq... 1950 136.8 IK5ZPV 559 QSX 1837, gave JN53KX name VALT 16.5. 0610 136.9 DF2PY 589 worked DJ5BV gave 569 op WOLF, qth nr BINGEN JN49AX 52 137.1 DJ7RD 529 cq cq... 0735 136.9 I5MXX 529 cq cq... 0811 136.7 DF2PY 569 cq cq... The strongest signal was from DF2PY. Sometimes it seemed to me that he is on 80m band, not on 2 km. For one of the next weekends I prepare even longer ant, better ATU and I try to get 136 kHz signal from my tcvr. I believe that it must be present somewhere around first mixer. Only to tap the right point to have signal for PA. 73 Petr, OK1FIG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26455 invoked from network); 17 May 1999 06:50:37 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 17 May 1999 06:50:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 816 invoked from network); 17 May 1999 05:53:04 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 17 May 1999 05:53:04 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10jGHR-00047i-00; Mon, 17 May 1999 06:49:37 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA01013 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 05:49:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA01007 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 05:49:33 GMT Received: from mailout05.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.153]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10jGVv-00017I-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:04:35 +0100 Received: from fwd03.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.163]) by mailout05.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 10jGH9-0003Bj-00; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:49:19 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (320057114934-0001(btxid)@[62.156.4.196]) by fwd03.btx.dtag.de id ; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:49:04 +0200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 07:49:04 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: dl6fbh@t-online.de, champ@t-online.de, kheintze@mainz-online.de Subject: LF: weekend on 137 kc X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 320057114934-0001@t-online.de From: "DF2PY" Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org hello Lowfers ! I recently put up a new 32m vertikal antenna with 5 topload wires.Had it tuned by saturday and it seems to be doing ok.I want to have more topload but that has to wait a bit.A curiosity was, that the Rhine river flooded briefly and the water surrounded the base insulator- gave me the best ground ever ! I could see the water approach on the reflectometer. Worked on fast-CW with HB9DCE,PA0LQ,DJ5BV,I5MXX,DF8ZR,HB9ASB,G3YXM,DJ5DI,G3KEV.In general the morning hours seemed to yield better propagation. 73 de wolf -df2py- P.S. : i`ll keep my CQs shorter in the future- hi From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17131 invoked from network); 17 May 1999 09:24:04 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 17 May 1999 09:24:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 3943 invoked from network); 17 May 1999 08:26:41 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 17 May 1999 08:26:41 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10jIfl-0005yb-01; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:22:53 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA02267 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:22:53 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA02263 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:22:51 GMT Received: from mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.8.44]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10jIuC-0002D8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:37:48 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA14884 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:27:31 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19990517092020.268f687e@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:20:20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: LF: weekend report (13-16 may 1999) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Due to the 'long weekend' of 13-16 may my weekend report covers this period. Lot of activity and despite heavy QRN often very good night condx. This weekend I noticed once more that I have very different propagation to the I5 region (IK5ZPV, I5MXX) compared to the UK. While several UK stations can work the I5's with rather good signals in the morning I do only hear them (the I5's) very weak or even not at all. But at night I heard both IK5ZPV and I5MXX with extreme strong signals (up to 589), best time seems to be 20-22UT. I should check the propagation path between I5 and me in detail but I think that the Alps form an obstruction and skywave propagation is needed to get over it. Maybe toward the UK the path just 'misses' the Alps. Stations 'seen' in slow-CW : DJ5AO (O), HB9ASB (529), DJ5BV (549) Stations heard in normal CW : DJ5BV (549), PA0MLC (549), OH1TN (529), OK5ZPV (579), HB9ASB (529), G4GVC (549), G3XTZ (569), PA0CC (579), F6CNI (539), G4GRO/P (559), GW4ALG (539), G3KEV (579), G3BDQ (529), PA0SE (589), I5MXX (319), G3YXM (579), OZ1KMR (579) 73, Rik Rik Strobbe ON7YD rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be Villadreef 14 B-3128 Baal BELGIUM (JO20IX) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28069 invoked from network); 17 May 1999 17:25:06 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 17 May 1999 17:25:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 3798 invoked from network); 17 May 1999 16:27:35 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 17 May 1999 16:27:35 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10jQBC-0004e2-00; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:23:50 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA07446 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:23:51 GMT X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA07442 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:23:49 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net ([195.102.240.34]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10jQPO-00063Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:38:30 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 10jQAw-00034y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:23:34 +0100 Received: from miked.rsgbhq [192.168.2.30] by rsgb.org.uk [192.168.2.132] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:17:04 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" Organization: Radio Society of Great Britain To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:17:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: Wekend report 15/16 May Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Saturday 15 May Heard G3GRO/P (599); G3KEV (589); GW4ALG (579 in morning, 589 in evening); G4GVC (599); G3XTZ (5 9+10 9); PA0LQ (549). Worked F6CNI for country number 8 (gave 439, got 559). Sunday 16 May A very quiet band in the first five minutes of operating. Heard G4GVC (599); PA0SE (559); G3YMC (529); G3OLB (589). I put out a slow CW CQ, then next door's games computer started up and was S9+10dB all day - for 14 hours!!! End of activity! Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18672 invoked from network); 17 May 1999 20:26:20 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 17 May 1999 20:26:20 +0100 Received: (qmail 16658 invoked from network); 17 May 1999 19:29:02 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 17 May 1999 19:29:02 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10jT0C-0007Nx-00; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:24:40 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA09722 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:22:48 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA09718 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:22:46 GMT From: G0MRF@aol.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.8]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10jTCT-0007N9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:37:21 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com (539) by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id lQQa016141 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:21:12 EDT Subject: LF: Rx converter performance. To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org I was pleased to hear Roger's 73kHz beacon on air earlier in the week. Although a little down on its usual level, I was suspicious that my converter wasn't performing as well as it does on 136k. Using Roger's beacon and some transmissions on 136 as test sources, I discovered that my receiver was being "de-sensed" by the level of local oscillator feedthrough. The converter upconverts the LF band to an IF of 10MHz. Unfortunately the closer you get to "10MHZ" the lower the performance. 136 is OK but 73 was poor in comparison. As I have already fitted a multi turn pot to optimise carrier balance on the MC1496, I appeared to need a very narrow filter on the output. normal coils / caps were no use, but the answer came in the form of an 86 pence 10MHz ceramic resonator from RS components. I fitted two small ferrite transformers with a 1:9 and 9:1 ratio back to back on the output of the converter. From the centre point (at 350 Ohms) I connected the resonator in series with a 65pF variable to ground. Listening to the 10MHz breakthrough and tuning the capacitor I managed to reduce the level by 27 - 28dB. The performance on both bands has been improved. MDS on 136 has been improved by about 1 -2 dB, but 73k is 10dB better than before! The technique could be useful to anyone trying to build a robust RX (DL) using high level diode ring mixers. resonant frequency of the "notch filter" could be set anywhere from 9.6 MHz to 10.05MHz. 73 David From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5516 invoked from network); 18 May 1999 06:36:52 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 18 May 1999 06:36:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 7278 invoked from network); 18 May 1999 05:39:24 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 18 May 1999 05:39:24 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10jcXW-00039M-00; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:35:42 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA17375 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 05:35:27 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA17371 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 05:35:23 GMT Received: from dh-img-1.compuserve.com ([149.174.206.131] helo=hpdmgaaa.compuserve.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10jcll-0003bb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:50:25 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.4) id BAA18733 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 May 1999 01:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 01:34:03 -0400 From: "Dave Sergeant" Subject: Re: LF: 73kHz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <199905180134_MC2-7613-F78@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >From Dave G3YMC Received: (qmail 21631 invoked from network); 18 May 1999 08:46:32 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 18 May 1999 08:46:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 29525 invoked from network); 18 May 1999 07:49:18 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 18 May 1999 07:49:18 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10jeZ5-0003fl-00; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:45:27 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA18462 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:45:31 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA18458 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:45:28 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk ([143.210.16.125]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10jena-0004Yj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:00:26 +0100 Received: from pc171.geog.le.ac.uk ([143.210.151.171] helo=kate) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10jeYo-0005is-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:45:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000901bea101$92983380$ab97d28f@kate.geog.le.ac.uk> From: "Kate Moore" To: "lfgroup" Subject: LF: Weekend report Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:39:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Stations worked here last weekend using normal speed CW: Friday 14/5 PA0CC (08.30UT: he was 579, gave me 469QRN). Saturday 15/5 GW4ALG (06.56: 589, 589), F6CNI (07.14: 559, 589), G3GRO/P (07.39: 589, 589) PA0LQ (08.16: 569, 579), G3CCH (14.03: 559, 569), G3YXM (15.42: 59+9, 59+9). Sunday 16/5 PA0SE (07.15: 579, 57/89), HB9ASB (07.55: 339QSB, 229). Serious crises with Kate's parents in Scotland the previous weekend greatly reduced the time I had available to operate recently, and meant I was without e-mail for all of last week, so...... As well as having the excellent QSO with Marzio I5MXX on Sunday 9th, I also had a short QSO with Andre F6CNI at 07.02UT, giving him RST-559 and getting 579 back. As far as I am aware this was the first 2-way QSO Andre made on LF and I was astonished to learn that he was running only 16 Watts RF giving an estimated ERP of 6mW! When he gets permission to run his QRO TX, he is going to be a big signal over much of Europe. Last Thursday (13/5) I worked Andre again at 20.50UT despite very high QRN levels and also called IK5ZPV (who peaked 569 that evening) a few times, although Valerio didn't hear me through the static this time. Observations here are that the Italian stations are stronger mid-evening than during the morning peak, despite the higher band noise. ........................ Conditions seemed good last Saturday morning although, as usual, few stations were about to take advantage. Conversely, Sunday morning DX was particularly poor with I5MXX and HB9ASB both a couple of S-points down on usual. The QSO with Toni was quite a struggle, and I am continually amazed at how much the path between us changes from QSO to QSO, particularly remembering the 9th April QSO when we exchanged 569 reports in both directions! Interestingly, Dick PA0SE gave me a better than usual report over the shorter path...... Throughout the weekend I joined a number of stations who were calling DF2PY repeatedly, but did not manage a QSO. Wolf's TX signal was very good with his new antenna (peaking 569 here), but despite having worked 7 other German stations now on normal speed CW, I have still not been heard by Wolf. It's interesting to note that the only G stations who have are running the maximum possible ERP...... Regards John G4GVC near Leicester, IO92JP ** TX: Synth + 400W RF from modified 'G3YXM' Mosfet PA ** ** RX: TS-850S with 3 x CW filters and 0.5ppm TCXO ** ** Ant: Inv-L 60m long, 6m high at feed end, 12m high at far end ** From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27272 invoked from network); 18 May 1999 12:57:10 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 18 May 1999 12:57:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 5036 invoked from network); 18 May 1999 11:59:43 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 18 May 1999 11:59:43 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10jiTQ-0004dN-00; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:55:52 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA21834 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:55:34 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA21830 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:55:30 GMT Received: from mb04.swip.net ([193.12.122.208]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10jihO-0006Yj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 May 1999 13:10:19 +0100 Received: from s-257519 (dialup158-4-18.swipnet.se [130.244.158.210]) by mb04.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00644 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 13:54:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <003d01bea125$3323d200$1195f482@s-257519> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: HCMOS converter Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:53:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hello all, I have uploaded a schematic diagram of my 74HC4053 up-converter to my web site. http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-41522/lfconv/lfconv.html I haven't made any measurements on it but it seems to work very well. There is no input filter on the converter. A tuned loop with preamp provides adequate front end selectivity. 73 de Johan, SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18171 invoked from network); 18 May 1999 17:53:16 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 18 May 1999 17:53:16 +0100 Received: (qmail 30356 invoked from network); 18 May 1999 16:55:51 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 18 May 1999 16:55:51 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10jmya-0005Wo-00; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:44:20 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA25580 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:43:41 GMT X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA25576 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:43:39 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net ([195.102.240.33]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10jnC7-0000Pq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:58:19 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #34) id 10jnt2-0003aX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:42:40 +0000 Received: from miked.rsgbhq [192.168.2.30] by rsgb.org.uk [192.168.2.132] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:26:22 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" Organization: Radio Society of Great Britain To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:27:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: GW - RK2 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org I notice that the DX Cluster had three 'spots' (stations heard) from RK2FWA, Kaliningrad, last weekend, as follows: 136.6 GW4ALG cq 2330 15 May 137.2 OH1TN cq 2223 15 May 137.1 IK5ZPV cq 2037 15 May For those without packet access to it, the cluster is available on the web - I don't know how far behind real time it is. There is a link to it from my web site. Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12327 invoked from network); 19 May 1999 17:18:33 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 19 May 1999 17:18:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 22452 invoked from network); 19 May 1999 15:54:31 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 19 May 1999 15:54:31 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10k8cr-0001MV-00; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:51:21 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA07384 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:47:26 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA07380 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:47:24 GMT Received: from fm215.facility.pipex.com ([194.131.104.225]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10k8nG-0002Gs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 May 1999 17:02:06 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from walter (usern823.uk.uudial.com [193.149.86.94]) by fm215.facility.pipex.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA22270 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:43:58 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <199905191543.QAA22270@fm215.facility.pipex.com> X-Sender: blanch@mailhost.pncl.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:46:36 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Walter Blanchard" Subject: LF: "RF Design" magazine article MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org The April 1999 issue of the US "RF Design" magazine has an article "Understanding range limitations for low-frequency unlicensed transmissions" about FCC "Part 15" transmitters for local data links that are so low power they don't need licensing. One of the bands they use is 160-190 kHz limited to a DC power INPUT to the amplifier of 1 watt and an antenna no bigger than 15 metres. The author calculates a range of 12 kms if everything is optimum (including zero ground loss!) but he also gets a range of 375 kms for a one-tenth watt (DC input) transmitter on 1705 kHz using a 3 metre antenna so I guess it's all a bit suspect. Anyway, he gives the formulae and makes some pertinent points about transmission path and background noise problems so it might be a handy summary for anyone new to LF. Walter G3JKV. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10090 invoked from network); 19 May 1999 21:30:36 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 19 May 1999 21:30:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 20228 invoked from network); 19 May 1999 20:33:28 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 19 May 1999 20:33:28 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10kCyL-0001vP-00; Wed, 19 May 1999 21:29:49 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA09489 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:28:44 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA09485 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:28:39 GMT Received: from mta.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.1] helo=mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10kDBJ-0004BR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 May 1999 21:43:13 +0100 Received: from locxvcym ([203.96.101.160]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with ESMTP id <19990519202947.BKMB7869945.mta1-rme@locxvcym> for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:29:47 +1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "ComPact" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: "RF Design" magazine article Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:29:10 +1200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <19990519202947.BKMB7869945.mta1-rme@locxvcym> Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Good morning from ZL where the QRN is reducing as winter approaches. Walter G3JKV mentioned the RF Design article on low power LF propagation. Nat ZL3VN and myself have regular QSOs using backyard sized antennas and QRP over a 300km (mostly sea) path on 181.4kHz. We find that 1 watt transmitter output is sufficient for R5 regular CW most of the time. Dropping to 0.5 watts output makes readability marginal. However, the signals are regular CW in a 500 hz bandwidth so there is certainly scope for extending the distance or reducing the power greatly. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2456 invoked from network); 20 May 1999 13:06:46 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 20 May 1999 13:06:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 8677 invoked from network); 20 May 1999 12:09:43 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 20 May 1999 12:09:43 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10kRaz-0004Cm-00; Thu, 20 May 1999 13:06:41 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA16067 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:06:26 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA16053 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:06:22 GMT From: Gerald_Moritz@pskdd.psk.co.at Received: from relay8.austria.eu.net ([193.154.160.146]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10kRp1-0002aW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 May 1999 13:21:11 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from gate.psk.co.at (gate.psk.at [193.83.62.5]) by relay8.Austria.EU.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA20187 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:05:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by gate gate 1707 id AA15922; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:05:37 +0100 Received: from UNKNOWN(10.33.35.232), claiming to be "PSKDD.PSK.CO.AT" via SMTP by gate-i, id smtpdftqrya; Thu May 20 14:05:36 1999 Received: by PSKDD.PSK.CO.AT(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id C1256777.00426561 ; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:05:13 +0200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: PSKDD To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:05:09 +0200 Subject: LF: Hello World MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hello de Gerald, OE1GOD - Vienna, Austria From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4073 invoked from network); 20 May 1999 13:13:43 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 20 May 1999 13:13:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 8525 invoked from network); 20 May 1999 12:16:29 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 20 May 1999 12:16:29 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10kRhh-0004Gs-00; Thu, 20 May 1999 13:13:37 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA16157 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:13:52 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA16153 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:13:50 GMT Received: from mail2.hamilton-standard.com ([153.4.57.12]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10kRwB-0002bt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 May 1999 13:28:36 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from curly.hsd.utc.com by mail2.hamilton-standard.com; (8.9.1/) id IAA19258; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from umrsvr.hsd.utc.com by curly.hsd.utc.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/27Feb96-0334PM) id AA08663; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:12:14 -0400 Received: from nmex01nt.hsd.utc.com by umrsvr.hsd.utc.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/27Feb96-0334PM) id AA28718; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:11:48 -0400 Received: by NMEX01NT.hsd.utc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:12:37 +0100 Message-ID: <205F4B3C4BCED21184C7006097630A8A0692A6@NMEX01NT.hsd.utc.com> From: "Soegiono, Gamal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: AW: Hello World Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:12:36 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Gerald, read you loud and clear :-). Best 73 Gamal Soegiono (SWL) 50N01 / 08E27 / JO 40 fa soegiono@nmex01nt.hsd.utc.com > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Gerald_Moritz@pskdd.psk.co.at > [SMTP:Gerald_Moritz@pskdd.psk.co.at] > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 20. Mai 1999 13:05 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: Hello World > > > > > Hello de Gerald, OE1GOD - Vienna, Austria > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21853 invoked from network); 21 May 1999 06:54:43 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 21 May 1999 06:54:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 22570 invoked from network); 21 May 1999 05:57:43 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 21 May 1999 05:57:43 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10kiD9-0006wb-00; Fri, 21 May 1999 06:51:11 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA24748 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 05:48:06 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA24744 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 05:48:02 GMT Received: from hil-img-7.compuserve.com ([149.174.177.137]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10kiOa-0001qG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 May 1999 07:03:00 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-7.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id BAA09225 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 May 1999 01:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:47:24 -0400 From: "Dave Sergeant" Subject: LF: GW-RK2 To: "rsgb_lf_group" Message-ID: <199905210147_MC2-7692-206E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >From Dave G3YMC Forwarded message from Steve Rawlings. Hope his ISP gets sorted soon! [ Hi Dave, [ I'd be grateful if you could forward this to the LF Group, as my ISP [ (Cable OnLine) appears to have been blacklisted by the reflector! [ Thanks, Steve. ************************************************************************** Mike Dennison, G3XDV wrote: > I notice that the DX Cluster had three 'spots' (stations heard) from > RK2FWA, Kaliningrad, last weekend, as follows: > > 136.6 GW4ALG cq 2330 15 May > 137.2 OH1TN cq 2223 15 May > 137.1 IK5ZPV cq 2037 15 May Wow! This was indeed exciting news for me. Many thanks for forwarding the reports, Mike - well spotted! And RK2FWA is to be congratulated on hearing my signals. I had been calling CQ for some time on Saturday night, and I went QRT about 1:00am Sunday (0000 UTC), after receiving no replies. Steve Rawlings GW4ALG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1622 invoked from network); 21 May 1999 14:31:10 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 21 May 1999 14:31:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 30968 invoked from network); 21 May 1999 13:34:01 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 21 May 1999 13:34:01 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10kpO5-00087a-00; Fri, 21 May 1999 14:30:57 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA28217 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:31:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA28210 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:31:00 GMT Received: from mailout01.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.149]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10kpcQ-0005Ih-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 May 1999 14:45:46 +0100 Received: from fwd10.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.170]) by mailout01.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 10kpNf-0004oy-00; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:30:31 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (320057114934-0001(btxid)@[62.157.27.151]) by fwd10.btx.dtag.de id ; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:30:13 +0200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:30:13 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: Re: LF: Hello World X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 320057114934-0001@t-online.de From: "DF2PY" Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hallo Gerald ! Mein Name ist Wolf- df2py- ich bin am Wochenende immer auf 136.8 oder 136.9 QRV.Bitte versuchs doch mal mich zu empfangen . Meine Tel. Nr ist in Deutschland 06132- 88292 - bin auch in Packet eingeloggt bei DB0SPC-8 . Freue mich auf ein QSO !! 73 de wolf > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14343 invoked from network); 21 May 1999 21:05:26 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 21 May 1999 21:05:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 10710 invoked from network); 21 May 1999 20:08:20 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 21 May 1999 20:08:20 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10kvXV-0000St-00; Fri, 21 May 1999 21:05:05 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA31528 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:02:58 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA31524 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:02:56 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net ([194.168.222.13]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10kvjX-0008Io-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 May 1999 21:17:31 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from cableol.co.uk ([194.168.18.7]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with ESMTP id AAA15341 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:51:20 +0100 Message-ID: <3745B8AD.8C698183@cableol.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:49:02 +0100 From: "Steve Rawlings" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LF Group" Subject: LF: Test Message de GW4ALG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org This is a test via Cable Online using an alternative outgoing mail server. Regards to all, Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20963 invoked from network); 23 May 1999 08:30:11 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 23 May 1999 08:30:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 26664 invoked from network); 23 May 1999 07:33:22 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 23 May 1999 07:33:22 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10lSgp-0006uF-00; Sun, 23 May 1999 08:28:55 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA15997 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Sun, 23 May 1999 07:24:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA15993 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 07:23:59 GMT Received: from mailout03.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.151]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10lSqY-00062T-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 May 1999 08:38:58 +0100 Received: from fwd11.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.171]) by mailout03.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 10lSbk-0001Ii-00; Sun, 23 May 1999 09:23:40 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (320057114934-0001(btxid)@[62.158.46.136]) by fwd11.btx.dtag.de id ; Sun, 23 May 1999 09:23:25 +0200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 09:23:25 +0200 To: yasmin@italway.it Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: QSO on longwave X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 320057114934-0001@t-online.de From: "DF2PY" Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hi Marzio ! You had an outstanding signal again ! And the most interesting thing was,that I DID NOT HEAR A BEEP FROM DJ7RD whom You worked before me !! Did You work crossband ?? he is only 100 km away from here and normally i can hear him ok,there must have been some kind of searchlight-effect, like on 160m band ! please let me know whether You guys were doing crossband,that would relief me from real complicated thoughts- hi. Anyways looking forward to work You again- ciao Marzio ! de wolf df2py From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14959 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 07:51:16 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 24 May 1999 07:51:16 +0100 Received: (qmail 8520 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 06:54:32 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 24 May 1999 06:54:32 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10loVs-0003TC-00; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:47:04 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA28674 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 06:47:08 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA28670 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 06:47:05 GMT Received: from hil-img-8.compuserve.com ([149.174.177.138]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10lokQ-0007kQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 May 1999 08:02:06 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id CAA01750 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 May 1999 02:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 02:46:21 -0400 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: 23.5.99: good condx to Southern Europe (2nd trial) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <199905240246_MC2-76D1-2225@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hello lowfers, someone mentioned, that around midnight the conditions are sometimes good. Well, since we have a holiday today (Monday), I had the opportunity to check this yesterday night. Right, I had a nice crossband QSO with IK5OVP in JN53KX, 928 km away. His signal was -121 dBm(75) in the peak wich is a couple of dB over the noiselevel. I transmitted on 160m, which is a little bit tricky, as I use my IC-746 and the antenna for 160m as well as for 136 kHz. I have to switch 4 switches from transmit to receive and vice versa... One thing I noticed after the QSO was the good signal strength of the "Greek Beacon" around 135.8 kHz. While this is normally up to -104 dBm(75), it was up to -92 dBm(75) yesterday night. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) dk8kw@compuserve.com http://www.dk8kw.home.pages.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9855 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 16:02:44 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 24 May 1999 16:02:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 10317 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 15:06:01 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 24 May 1999 15:06:01 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10lwF9-0005PW-01; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:02:19 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA01498 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:00:24 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA01494 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:00:21 GMT From: G0MRF@aol.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.2]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10lwRV-00039G-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:15:06 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com (3870) by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id lGAIa02573 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5e1b21ef.247ac32d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:58:53 EDT Subject: Re: LF: 23.5.99: good condx to Southern Europe (2nd trial) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In a message dated 24/05/99 07:49:30 GMT Daylight Time, DK8KW@compuserve.com writes: << IK5OVP in JN53KX, 928 km away. His signal was -121 dBm(75) in the peak wich is a couple of dB over the noiselevel. I transmitted on 160m, which is a little bit tricky, as I use my IC-746 and the antenna for 160m as well as for 136 kHz. I have to switch 4 switches from transmit to receive and vice versa... >> Hello Geri. Thanks for the tip on late night propagation. If the local noise sources switch off in time I may be able to take advantage of that. I note the cluster reports from RK2 were all quite late with the RK2 - GW at around midnight. I see from the equipment list that you're using an IC746. Is that directly at 136? I have the 756 and found its respose very poor on LF and have to use a converter to part of the HF spectrum. A wide band noise source into the antenna socket shows a depressing LF roll-off on the "spectrum display". Maybe thay fixed that on the new model. Rules for ICOM: Always wait for the Mark 2 ! 73 David G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9124 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 17:45:53 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 24 May 1999 17:45:53 +0100 Received: (qmail 32333 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 16:49:03 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 24 May 1999 16:49:03 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10lxqI-0005j0-01; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:44:46 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA02467 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:45:02 GMT X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA02455 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:44:54 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net ([195.102.240.137]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10ly4d-0003yy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:59:35 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 10lxpI-0001ce-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:43:44 +0100 Received: from miked.rsgbhq [192.168.2.30] by rsgb.org.uk [192.168.2.132] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:27:52 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" Organization: Radio Society of Great Britain To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:28:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: Weekend Report 22/23 May Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Saturday 22 May Heard: PA0LQ (559); DF2PY (549); PA0CC (549); PA0SE (559); G3YXM (599); G3XTZ (5 9+10 9); IK5ZPV (579 at 2130). Worked: GW4ALG (579/579). Worked using extremely slow CW (QRSs) and Spectrogram: DJ5BV ('O'/'O') for a new one. Sunday 23 May Heard G4GVC(599); DF2PY (539); G3BDQ (599). Saw on Spectrogram: ON4ZK ('O'). Monday 24 May, breakfast time Heard DJ5DI at 439 in QSO with DF2PY - another new one for me. Mike From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9144 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 17:45:59 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 24 May 1999 17:45:59 +0100 Received: (qmail 32346 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 16:49:09 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 24 May 1999 16:49:09 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10lxqN-0005jG-00; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:44:51 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA02468 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:45:03 GMT X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA02454 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:44:54 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net ([195.102.240.137]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10ly4d-0003yz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:59:35 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 10lxpH-0001cd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:43:44 +0100 Received: from miked.rsgbhq [192.168.2.30] by rsgb.org.uk [192.168.2.132] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:40:14 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" Organization: Radio Society of Great Britain To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:41:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: Spectrogram dot length Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In bench tests it has been claimed that there is no advantage in going for a dot length exceeding 3 or 4 seconds when using QRSS and Spectrogram. During a QRSs QSO this weekend with DJ5BV, local interference came on at S9 blanketing the screen with 'snow'. DJ5BV had been a very clear, but inaudible signal previously and it is a tribute to this technique that I could complete the contact with an inaudible station despite S9 QRM. However it was a great struggle and relied largely on me knowing that there were only a few possible things he could have been sending. (The old 160m tricks come in useful). What is interesting is that his dashes at about 9 seconds long were much more readable that his dots as they stood out from the noise. Most of the final over was read using just the dashes!! This makes two points: 1) What a good idea it was to have reports using just dashes. 2) There does appear to be an advantage in a practical situation when dot lengths are increased to 10s or so. On the subject of QRSs, it may be useful to list a few abbreviations which are acceptable. For instance, DJ5BV did not send QRZ? to me, he just sent ?? which was clearly understood. A replacement for 73 would be useful - what about just TU (meaning 'thank you' for anyone who hasn't done HF CW recently)? Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9165 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 17:46:00 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 24 May 1999 17:46:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 32349 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 16:49:10 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 24 May 1999 16:49:10 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10lxqI-0005iz-01; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:44:47 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA02465 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:45:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA02453 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:44:54 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net ([195.102.240.137]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10ly4d-0003yx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:59:35 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 10lxpG-0001cc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:43:43 +0100 Received: from miked.rsgbhq [192.168.2.30] by rsgb.org.uk [192.168.2.132] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:42:17 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" Organization: Radio Society of Great Britain To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:43:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: Cluster report Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org I note that the DX Cluster had several reports from RN2FA this weekend - another Kaliningrad station. He reported hearing UA2FF on 136.7kHz. Looks like at least three stations are operational from that area now. Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16552 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 18:13:40 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 24 May 1999 18:13:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 2923 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 17:16:49 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 24 May 1999 17:16:49 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10lyDw-0005vS-01; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:09:12 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA02665 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:09:30 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA02661 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:09:27 GMT Received: from ah-img-1.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.154] helo=hpamgaaa.compuserve.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10lySO-0004Aw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:24:08 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamgaaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.4) id NAA07523 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:07:53 -0400 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: Re: LF: 23.5.99: good condx to Southern Europe (2nd trial) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <199905241308_MC2-76E0-29D0@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org GoMRF wrote: >I see from the equipment list that you're using an IC746. >Is that directly at 136? < Hello Dave, I use the Icom 746 only as an IF at 200 kHz. Below 300 kHz or so it is not really working. I had the IC-751 that worked fine on 136 kHz. Now, I use a so-called MV-61 level meter (made in former East Germany), a beautiful handcrafted piece of equipment, that covers the range between 200 Hz and 2.1 MHz with a sensitivity down to 130 dBm(75 Ohm), equivalent to about 0.5 uV at a minimum bandwidth of about 100 Hz. It has an output to 200 kHz, so I use the 746 with it's filter capabilities. The good thing about this MV-61 is the ability to withstand high signal levels in the vicinity (for example, DCF39 is only some 120 km away from my QTH), additionally, it allows the measurement of signal and noise levels down to an accuracy of 0.1 dB. This weekend I was able to get hold of a couple of more MV-61s. For more details, see my homepage http://www.dk8kw.home.pages.de Vy 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2985 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 19:13:56 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 24 May 1999 19:13:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 10582 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 18:17:06 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 24 May 1999 18:17:06 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10lzDS-0006JI-00; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:12:46 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA03566 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:13:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA03562 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:13:05 GMT Received: from nms.rz.uni-kiel.de ([134.245.1.2]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10lzRv-0004h9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:27:43 +0100 Received: from mail.uni-kiel.d400.de (actually srv1.mail.uni-kiel.de) by nms.rz.uni-kiel.de with Local-SMTP (PP); Mon, 24 May 1999 20:12:17 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from nephro.uni-kiel.de by mail.uni-kiel.d400.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA26644; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:12:14 +0200 Message-ID: <37499685.51BBFD17@nephro.uni-kiel.de> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:12:21 +0200 From: "Peter W. Schnoor" Organization: University of Kiel, Clinic of Nephrology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Spectrogram dot length References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hello Group, Hi Mike, Mike Dennison wrote: > [...] > This makes two points: > 1) What a good idea it was to have reports using just dashes. That's what I suggested some month ago: *Four* dashes for indicating "just audible". > 2) There does appear to be an advantage in a practical situation > when dot lengths are increased to 10s or so. Fully agreed! This corresponds to my own experiences especially under man made noise. > On the subject of QRSs, it may be useful to list a few abbreviations > which are acceptable. For instance, DJ5BV did not send QRZ? to > me, he just sent ?? which was clearly understood. A replacement > for 73 would be useful - what about just TU (meaning 'thank you' for > anyone who hasn't done HF CW recently)? I'm preferring CU (*SEE* YOU) since that's what has happened or should be... 54°16'N / 10°04'E, JO54ag 73 es gl de Peter, DF3LP From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19144 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 20:14:18 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 24 May 1999 20:14:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 13509 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 19:17:36 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 24 May 1999 19:17:36 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10m09n-0006gZ-01; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:13:04 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA04359 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:13:29 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA04355 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:13:27 GMT Received: from premium.inrete.it ([194.116.9.4] helo=mailer.inrete.it ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10m0OJ-0005Ac-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:28:03 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from cel266 (pool17-005.dialup.alpcom.it [194.116.17.5]) by mailer.inrete.it (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA09969 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 21:12:45 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990524201043.0282a1dc@mailer.inrete.it> X-Sender: spin@mailer.inrete.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:10:43 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "M. Bruno" Subject: Re: LF: Spectrogram dot length In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org At 17.41 24/05/99 +0100, Mike Dennison wrote: >This makes two points: >1) What a good idea it was to have reports using just dashes. The idea originates frome the EME community. They use this system since 20 years or so ... and face signal conditions very similar to us. I am happy to have proposed this way to the LF community (this list, Oct. 99) >2) There does appear to be an advantage in a practical situation >when dot lengths are increased to 10s or so. > Agreed. It all depends from the kind of noise you have. The bench tests were done (at least in my case) on-air in a quiet evening, probably without thunderstorms around. >On the subject of QRSs, it may be useful to list a few abbreviations >which are acceptable. For instance, DJ5BV did not send QRZ? to >me, he just sent ?? which was clearly understood. A replacement >for 73 would be useful - what about just TU (meaning 'thank you' for >anyone who hasn't done HF CW recently)? > I also used "??" a couple of times. Seems good and easily understandable. Also "CU" instead of "73", Peter is right! I'm looking for skeds in QRSs for next evenings. I am QRV from approximately 1900z thru 2100z, every evening, QRM and QRN permitting. Anyone interested ? 73 to all - Marco - IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20779 invoked from network); 25 May 1999 08:06:23 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 25 May 1999 08:06:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 26658 invoked from network); 25 May 1999 07:09:44 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 25 May 1999 07:09:44 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10mBH5-0000Ku-01; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:05:19 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA10485 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 07:04:09 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA10481 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 07:04:07 GMT Received: from server.italway.it ([193.70.27.5] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10mBUP-00023Y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:19:06 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from a (pppa2.italway.it [195.103.244.121]) by server.italway.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA15357 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:57:26 +0200 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990525071227.0067b438@server.italway.it> X-Sender: yasmin@server.italway.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:12:27 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Yasmin Tour Agenzia Viaggi" Subject: LF: Week-end LF report Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hell LF guys. Very noisy conditions on LF all the week, especially during evening time. Morning situation is a little better, but no comparable with few weeks ago; summer is coming! Worked on LF, all qso in normal CW: 20/5/99 2005z DF2PY 539 22/5/99 2021z F6CNI 136/3530 kc 2038z DJ7RD 136/3530 kc 2048z DF2PY 579 2115z HB9ASB 539 TX: G3YXM project 2 x irfp450 600 w RX:Icom IC 736 + 250 hz cw filter+ DSP Timewawe and Preamp/filter Ant: T antenna 16 meters high, 220 metrs double wire lenght. Hope to get you on 136. 73 de Marzio I5MXX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6247 invoked from network); 25 May 1999 11:17:44 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 25 May 1999 11:17:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 27909 invoked from network); 25 May 1999 10:20:59 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 25 May 1999 10:20:59 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10mEGC-00016E-00; Tue, 25 May 1999 11:16:36 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA12556 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:16:41 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA12552 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:16:39 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net ([195.102.240.33]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10mEUf-0003bq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 May 1999 11:31:33 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #34) id 10mFBQ-0007Sh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 May 1999 11:15:44 +0000 Received: from miked.rsgbhq [192.168.2.30] by rsgb.org.uk [192.168.2.132] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 11:08:51 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" Organization: Radio Society of Great Britain To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:09:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: LF: Spectrogram dot length Priority: normal In-reply-to: <37499685.51BBFD17@nephro.uni-kiel.de> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > On the subject of QRSs, it may be useful to list a few abbreviations > > which are acceptable. For instance, DJ5BV did not send QRZ? to > > me, he just sent ?? which was clearly understood. A replacement > > for 73 would be useful - what about just TU (meaning 'thank you' for > > anyone who hasn't done HF CW recently)? > > I'm preferring CU (*SEE* YOU) since that's what has happened > or should be... > > 54°16'N / 10°04'E, JO54ag > 73 es gl de Peter, DF3LP > Yes, of course. Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19580 invoked from network); 26 May 1999 06:23:56 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 26 May 1999 06:23:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 11362 invoked from network); 26 May 1999 05:27:21 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 26 May 1999 05:27:21 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10mW7U-0004rP-00; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:20:48 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA24051 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 05:17:56 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA24047 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 05:17:54 GMT Received: from as-img-5.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.148] helo=spamgaae.compuserve.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10mWJE-0003vq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:32:56 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.0) id BAA24963 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 May 1999 01:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 01:17:21 -0400 From: "Dave Sergeant" Subject: LF: Packet Cluster To: "rsgb_lf_group" Message-ID: <199905260117_MC2-7714-2CC8@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >From Dave G3YMC The packet cluster reports given by Mike G3XDV are, I think, from the internet based version of the packet cluster. This is totally seperate from the VHF packet cluster network in the UK and Western Europe and the russian reports are not on my local cluster node GB7DXI. As far as I know the UK Packet Cluster Working Group has no association with those who run the internet service, which of course relies on a phone lineconnection. 73s Dave From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20451 invoked from network); 26 May 1999 09:40:30 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 26 May 1999 09:40:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 26484 invoked from network); 26 May 1999 08:43:56 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 26 May 1999 08:43:56 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10mZDg-0005P3-01; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:39:24 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA25373 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:39:09 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA25369 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:39:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net ([195.102.240.34]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10mZRs-0005KI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:54:05 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 10mZDR-00039H-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:39:10 +0100 Received: from miked.rsgbhq [192.168.2.30] by rsgb.org.uk [192.168.2.132] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:22:16 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" Organization: Radio Society of Great Britain To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:23:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: LF: Packet Cluster Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199905260117_MC2-7714-2CC8@compuserve.com> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org G3YMC wrote: > The packet cluster reports given by Mike G3XDV are, I think, from the > internet based version of the packet cluster. This is totally seperate > from the VHF packet cluster network in the UK and Western Europe and the > russian reports are not on my local cluster node GB7DXI. As far as I know > the UK Packet Cluster Working Group has no association with those who run > the internet service, which of course relies on a phone lineconnection. > The info is certainly from a web-based service, but my understanding was that it merely published what is on the packet service, but pre-sorted so that all of the LF spots, for instance, are on the same page. However, on closer inspection I was wrong. The service is provided on the web only by members of OH9W / OH2AQ Radio Club. There is a page to input DX information. The main URL is: http://oh2aq.kolumbus.com/dxs/ The info is updated every 5 minutes so it could provide a most useful indicator of who is looking for QSOs. Mike From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17709 invoked from network); 26 May 1999 20:42:40 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 26 May 1999 20:42:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 12404 invoked from network); 26 May 1999 19:46:09 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 26 May 1999 19:46:09 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10mjYB-0007Lc-00; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:41:15 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA32241 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:41:15 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA32237 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:41:13 GMT Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net ([199.45.39.157]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10mjmH-0001nr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:55:49 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-121-236.bellatlantic.net [151.200.121.236]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19502; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <374C4E25.4C166906@bellatlantic.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:40:22 -0400 From: "Andre' Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "AMRAD Tacos" , "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: LF: [Fwd: 137 RTTY & AMRAD Beacon] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Lyle Koehler wrote: > According to David Wilson's LF listing in the May 1998 LOWDOWN, the RTTY > signal on 137.0 kHz is CFH, from Halifax (Mill Cove) -- in Nova Scotia, > I presume. That is consistent with the east-west bearing I observe with > my loop antenna, and the very strong signal here in Minnesota. I don't > have a capability for absolute field strength readings, but last night > at 0700 UTC the 137 kHz RTTY signal was about 25 dB above the noise > level with a 100 Hz IF bandwidth. > > There are also listings for NSS from Norfolk, VA on 134.9 kHz and for > NPG from San Francisco (Dixon) CA on 135.95, 136.0 and apparently also > on 136.9 kHz. These listings are probably not very current, and some of > the stations may no longer be on the air. However, the one on 137 kHz is > obviously alive and well. Its sidebands are strong enough to cause me > problems on 136.75 (as if the Loran-C splatter from Baudette, MN isn't > enough!) > > Lyle, K0LR > > http://www.computerpro.com/~lyle > > "M. Bruno" wrote: > > > > The RTTY signal around 137.000 has been copied also in Europe this > > winter. We presume it is of USA origin. If it is the case it may > > become an useful propagation indicator. It would be very helpful to > > locate it ... may any Lowfer take a bearing or at least a signal level ? > > > To unsubscribe, send to MAJORDOMO@qth.net "unsubscribe lowfer" (Do not > send to list!!) Send on list submissions to lowfer@qth.net From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14791 invoked from network); 27 May 1999 08:08:02 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 27 May 1999 08:08:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 1678 invoked from network); 27 May 1999 07:11:27 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 27 May 1999 07:11:27 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10muGo-0000L7-00; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:08:02 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA04750 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:05:53 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA04745 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:05:45 GMT Received: from ns.cro.cz ([193.179.196.2] ident=qmailr) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10muT6-0006hu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:20:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 14608 invoked from network); 27 May 1999 07:05:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from fw.cro.cz (HELO ns-int.cro.cz) (193.179.197.2) by ns.cro.cz with SMTP; 27 May 1999 07:05:30 -0000 Received: from radiohk.hk.cro.cz (ns.hk.cro.cz [172.27.1.2]) by ns-int.cro.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18227 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:05:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc033hk.hk.cro.cz ([172.27.1.33]) by radiohk.hk.cro.cz (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA03279 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:05:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by pc033hk.hk.cro.cz with Microsoft Mail id <01BEA820.0A9C7C40@pc033hk.hk.cro.cz>; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:05:18 +-200 Message-ID: <01BEA820.0A9C7C40@pc033hk.hk.cro.cz> From: "Petr Maly" To: "'137 kHz'" Subject: LF: Efficient antenna Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:05:16 +-200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hello LowFers! As a newcomer I hope I have right to ask silly questions. 1. How efficient is actually capacitancy hat of Marconi "T" ant? In other words, if there is space 40 meters horizontaly and 15 meters verticaly, I can build either T ant with heigth of 15 m and length of hat of 40 meters, or inverted L ant, 15 m long vertical part and 40 m long horizontal part. Is it sure that T antenna would be more efficient than that inverted L ant? This weekend I will listen on longer and better matched LW ant. I hope I will be QRV with QRP in few weeks. 73! Petr, OK1FIG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22279 invoked from network); 27 May 1999 08:50:10 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 27 May 1999 08:50:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 11153 invoked from network); 27 May 1999 07:53:41 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 27 May 1999 07:53:41 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10muvX-0000XV-00; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:50:07 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA05094 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:50:11 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA05089 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:50:08 GMT Received: from tk1.ihug.co.nz ([203.29.160.13] helo=smtp1.ihug.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10mvA1-00073o-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:05:06 +0100 Received: from test (p29-max2.chc.ihug.co.nz [207.214.13.29]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA03629 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 19:49:28 +1200 Message-ID: <004201bea815$9fb26200$0200a8c0@test> From: "Dave Brown" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01BEA820.0A9C7C40@pc033hk.hk.cro.cz> Subject: LF: Re: Efficient antenna Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:50:40 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Petr Use the T configuration as it will most likely keep the vertical section well away from earthed surroundings, which is most important for best performance. And use at least 0.5 metre spacing between two parallel wires in the top loading capacity hat, more if you can. Keep the ends of the top loading up high rather than letting them droop down very much. And put as much wire in the ground for an earth as you can get away with! 73 Dave ZL3FJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29511 invoked from network); 27 May 1999 09:23:56 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 27 May 1999 09:23:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 8323 invoked from network); 27 May 1999 08:27:22 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 27 May 1999 08:27:22 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10mvSS-0000hn-01; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:24:08 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA05315 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:24:14 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA05311 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:24:11 GMT Received: from mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.8.44]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10mvgz-0007I0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:39:09 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA14731 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:29:02 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19990527092130.2e475dd2@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:21:30 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Efficient antenna In-reply-to: <01BEA820.0A9C7C40@pc033hk.hk.cro.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org At 09:05 27/05/99 +-200, you wrote: >Hello LowFers! > >As a newcomer I hope I have right to ask silly questions. > >1. How efficient is actually capacitancy hat of Marconi "T" ant? In other >words, if there is space 40 meters horizontaly and 15 meters verticaly, I >can build either T ant with heigth of 15 m and length of hat of 40 meters, >or inverted L ant, 15 m long vertical part and 40 m long horizontal part. Compared to a 'pure' vertical a sufficient horizotal top section can quadruple the radiation resistance and so increase a 6dB improvement. Furthermore you can bring the antenna to resonance with a smaller loading coil, also reducing the losses in the coil, this can eventually give an additional 1 or 2 dB gain. An example (I skip the detailled calculations here, but I mail then to you if you want) : A 15m vertical (not top-hat) will have a radiation resistance of about 18 mOhm and a capacitance of about 90pF. You will need a loading coil of 15mH you bring it to resonance. Assuming a Q of 300 the loss in th coil will be 43 Ohm. The 'ground loss' will be between 30 Ohm (very good) to 200 Ohm (very poor), so let's assume it will be somewhere inbetween = 60 Ohm. So the total loss resistance will be 103 Ohm. If you put 100W RF power into this antenna the antennacurrent will be 0.99A and your ERP will be about 18mW. Now you add the 40m top-load section to the antenna. This will increase the radiation resistance to about 50 mOhm. Compared to the 18 mOhm of the pure vertical this gives you a gain of about 4.4dB. Due to the top-load the antenna capacitance will increase to about 290pF, so you will need a loading coil of only 4.7mH. Assuming a Q of 300 this means a coil loss of about 13 Ohm, so your total loss will be 73 Ohm now. If you put 100W into this system the antennacurrent will be 1.17A and the ERP will be about 68mW. So compared to the 18mW you got with the pure vertical you have an 'overall' gain of 5.8dB ! >Is it sure that T antenna would be more efficient than that inverted L ant? Personally I don't think that there is a real difference and that the selection between T and inv-L is mostly done based on the location. 73, Rik Rik Strobbe ON7YD rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be Villadreef 14 B-3128 Baal BELGIUM (JO20IX) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22531 invoked from network); 27 May 1999 12:33:40 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 27 May 1999 12:33:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 4296 invoked from network); 27 May 1999 11:37:12 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 27 May 1999 11:37:12 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10myPq-0001T9-01; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:33:38 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA07747 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:33:41 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA07743 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:33:39 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net ([195.102.240.34]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10myeE-0000Jt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:48:31 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 10myPm-0003li-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:33:35 +0100 Received: from miked.rsgbhq [192.168.2.30] by rsgb.org.uk [192.168.2.132] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:31:02 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" Organization: Radio Society of Great Britain To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:32:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: LF: [Fwd: 137 RTTY & AMRAD Beacon] Priority: normal In-reply-to: <374C4E25.4C166906@bellatlantic.net> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > According to David Wilson's LF listing in the May 1998 LOWDOWN, the RTTY > > signal on 137.0 kHz is CFH, from Halifax (Mill Cove) -- in Nova Scotia, > > I presume. That is consistent with the east-west bearing I observe with > > my loop antenna, and the very strong signal here in Minnesota. I don't > > have a capability for absolute field strength readings, but last night > > at 0700 UTC the 137 kHz RTTY signal was about 25 dB above the noise > > level with a 100 Hz IF bandwidth. Ah, that's very useful. I heard it at S9+10dB last weekend at 0230UTC - this is the strongest heard so far and is as good as the Greek RTTY signal ever gets. What would be really useful is someone who can plot the station's signal strength at night over a long period on a chart recorder (there must be ways of doing this on a computer, too) so it can be correlated with solar data etc. Mike From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11276 invoked from network); 28 May 1999 05:43:54 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 28 May 1999 05:43:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 5277 invoked from network); 28 May 1999 04:47:25 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 28 May 1999 04:47:25 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10nETX-00048C-00; Fri, 28 May 1999 05:42:31 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA18465 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Fri, 28 May 1999 04:41:58 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA18461 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 04:41:55 GMT Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com ([149.174.177.135]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10nEhX-00087A-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 May 1999 05:56:59 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id AAA25851 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 May 1999 00:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:41:12 -0400 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: Re: LF: [Fwd: 137 RTTY & AMRAD Beacon] To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <199905280041_MC2-7759-1047@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mike wrote >What would be really useful is someone who can plot the station's >signal strength at night over a long period on a chart recorder (there >must be ways of doing this on a computer, too) so it can be >correlated with solar data etc. I did a plot like this for sunrise (see my homepage http://ww.dk8kw.home.pages.de, follow the link: "Information on "Beacon" Stations"). I could try to set up the configuration and plot an entire night. I use the MV-61 which has a recorder output of the signal strength in the 2-Volt range and a Voltcraft multimeter with an RS-232 output to record the data on my computer. I will post results here. Now that we know, which station we are receiving we can use it as an indicator for conditions over the atlantic. BTW, does anyoneknow the purpose of the station? Vy 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15702 invoked from network); 28 May 1999 18:49:59 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 28 May 1999 18:49:59 +0100 Received: (qmail 24336 invoked from network); 28 May 1999 17:53:37 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 28 May 1999 17:53:37 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10nQlR-00066H-00; Fri, 28 May 1999 18:49:49 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA24888 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Fri, 28 May 1999 17:45:19 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA24884 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 17:45:17 GMT Received: from man-112.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.40.143] helo=localhost.localdomain ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10nQvE-0005T1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 May 1999 18:59:57 +0100 Received: (from john@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.1/8.8.7) id HAA06528 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 May 1999 07:49:06 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: john set sender to word.factory@zetnet.co.uk using -f Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-reply-to: <1.5.4.32.19990525071227.0067b438@server.italway.it> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:49:06 -0000 () From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Talk on LF - 30 May 1999 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org On Sunday next between 1045 and 1130 UTC I shall be speaking at the East Suffolk Wireless Revival on 'LF Radio - how to join in'. If you are in the Ipswich area please drop in. Talk-in will be on 145.550 MHz. Part of the presentation will be a demonstration of reception on 136 kHz. We hope to hear many of you. (G3GRO/P, G3KEV, G3YXM, GW4ALG heard there 2 weeks ago). 73 de G3PAI ---------------------------------- E-Mail: John Rabson Date: 28-May-99 Time: 05:24:50 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1176 invoked from network); 28 May 1999 22:21:35 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 28 May 1999 22:21:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 3304 invoked from network); 28 May 1999 21:25:09 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 28 May 1999 21:25:09 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10nU3E-0006q9-01; Fri, 28 May 1999 22:20:25 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA26834 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Fri, 28 May 1999 21:19:38 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA26830 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 21:19:32 GMT Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net ([199.45.39.156]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10nUGS-00073I-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 May 1999 22:34:05 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-127-44.bellatlantic.net [151.200.127.44]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08955; Fri, 28 May 1999 17:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <374EFF33.4F2EED70@bellatlantic.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:40:19 -0400 From: "Andre' Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "AMRAD Tacos" , "lowfer" Subject: Re: LF: Efficient antennas References: <3.0.1.16.19990527092130.2e475dd2@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Edmund Laport was Chief Engineer of RCA International when he published his 542-page book "Radio Antenna Engineering", McGraw Hill 1952. Allow me to quote from page 14 of that wonderful book: "Low-frequency-antenna engineering is an active modern subject, and one where the sources of information are few, and the problems difficult. The author has been impressed by this lack of specific information on low-frequency antennas, even after so many years of engineering effort devoted to them, as well as enormous sums of money. The reason evidently is that the compromises that have to be made in design are so extreme that the designer has no particular pride in the result and says as little as possible about it in his technical reports to the profession. Almost all papers in technical journals about low-frequency antennas are strictly descriptive and lack the detailed discussions of how the designs were conceived and developed, that one misses so much when searching for engineering guidance. This chapter will provide some useful information and explain something about the nature of the compromises that one must make in practice. Large low-frequency antenna systems involve large capital outlays, and one may pay dearly for ignorance of the practical importance of the several controlling design factors and the compromises the designer finally accepts." How aptly put :-) Andre' N4ICK. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11713 invoked from network); 30 May 1999 03:52:35 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 30 May 1999 03:52:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 12547 invoked from network); 30 May 1999 02:56:17 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 30 May 1999 02:56:17 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10nvek-0002LW-01; Sun, 30 May 1999 03:48:58 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA06770 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Sun, 30 May 1999 02:45:55 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA06766 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 02:45:52 GMT Received: from ns.light-house.net ([206.152.252.2] helo=light-house.net ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10nvqN-0002i4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 May 1999 04:00:59 +0100 Received: from sault.com (asdet1-12.light-house.net [208.171.136.14]) by light-house.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17091 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 22:29:43 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3750A699.24CD4FAA@sault.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 22:46:49 -0400 From: "Rod Mayward" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-NECCK (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Rx converter performance. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hi David Do you have any info on your converter, i.e. a schematic and source of parts? Thanks Rod KL7RG/8 G0MRF@aol.com wrote: > > I was pleased to hear Roger's 73kHz beacon on air earlier in the week. > Although a little down on its usual level, I was suspicious that my converter > wasn't performing as well as it does on 136k. > > Using Roger's beacon and some transmissions on 136 as test sources, I > discovered that my receiver was being "de-sensed" by the level of local > oscillator feedthrough. > > The converter upconverts the LF band to an IF of 10MHz. Unfortunately the > closer you get to "10MHZ" the lower the performance. 136 is OK but 73 was > poor in comparison. > > As I have already fitted a multi turn pot to optimise carrier balance on the > MC1496, I appeared to need a very narrow filter on the output. normal coils > / caps were no use, but the answer came in the form of an 86 pence 10MHz > ceramic resonator from RS components. > > I fitted two small ferrite transformers with a 1:9 and 9:1 ratio back to back > on the output of the converter. From the centre point (at 350 Ohms) I > connected the resonator in series with a 65pF variable to ground. Listening > to the 10MHz breakthrough and tuning the capacitor I managed to reduce the > level by 27 - 28dB. > > The performance on both bands has been improved. MDS on 136 has been > improved by about 1 -2 dB, but 73k is 10dB better than before! > > The technique could be useful to anyone trying to build a robust RX (DL) > using high level diode ring mixers. > > resonant frequency of the "notch filter" could be set anywhere from 9.6 MHz > to 10.05MHz. > > 73 > > David From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1232 invoked from network); 31 May 1999 00:02:49 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 31 May 1999 00:02:49 +0100 Received: (qmail 26331 invoked from network); 30 May 1999 23:06:39 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 30 May 1999 23:06:39 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10oEa2-0005Z5-00; Mon, 31 May 1999 00:01:22 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA19422 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Sun, 30 May 1999 23:01:17 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA19418 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 23:01:15 GMT Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.83]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10oEnw-00038q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 May 1999 00:15:44 +0100 Received: from [212.140.35.240] (helo=default) by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10oEWI-0005SI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 May 1999 23:57:30 +0100 Message-ID: <000001beaaf0$37ff3e20$f0238cd4@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: LF: lf: DX Cluster spots Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 23:52:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I notice mike has been supplying info on web cluster spots. I have been collecting the weekend spots from GB7DXM located near Ipswich and sending these on to John G4GVC by the packet network. It would seem that not all clusters in the UK accept spots from more distant sites. GB7DXM dispays spots form most of Europe, and since early this year I have seen spots from as far away as OK and I5 on 136KHz. On the question of 'propagation time'...I entered a spot for the DL /P
operation as 1800 DJ8WL cq 136.6khz hand cw (or similar) and 3 mins later received a 'correction from an Ok station who had entered correctly as 136khz.
It seems that the original cluster software will not accept spots entered below 1800KHz, though some of the newer software clones are more flexible. I am sure that at least south-east cluster-nodes should be able to accept the spots that appear at GB7MXM. It may be that they dont want them, I am not aware of the 'politics'. I have certainly found the entries useful despite my 'listen-only' status
at present, and I have made a point of flagging up the stong G stations I hear in the hope of stimulating activity (and rx improvement??) in other areas. If there is any interest I am happy to post a copy of the spots during the weekend every Monday.
I am sure John will not begrudge his 'personal service'
73 de Alan G3NYK
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5523 invoked from network); 31 May 1999 06:54:55 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 31 May 1999 06:54:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 23632 invoked from network); 31 May 1999 05:58:46 -0000 Received: from punt.unica.co.uk (194.75.183.60) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 31 May 1999 05:58:46 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by punt.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 10oKvv-0006PK-00; Mon, 31 May 1999 06:48:23 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA22064 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Mon, 31 May 1999 05:42:14 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA22060 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 05:42:10 GMT Received: from arl-img-12.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.142]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10oL4T-0005yO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 May 1999 06:57:13 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-12.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id BAA26292 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 May 1999 01:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 01:41:46 -0400 From: "Dave Sergeant" Subject: Re: LF: Rx converter performance. To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <199905310141_MC2-7794-EFF3@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Rod I don't know whether David G0MRF has his circuits anywhere, but you may find mine useful. The receive part of my 136 transverter is a simple to build LF receive converter to 10MHz (and doesn't suffer from the problems David reports). Find it on my web site http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/sergeantd/ 73s Dave G3YMC