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1. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: "Graham" <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:03:42 +0100
All noted , Jim ! Bob WE6XGR , is running a OP2 / OP4 test tonight (11/2) from 00:00 z , using the 80 meter settings, this should give a play off 2/4 mode , then we should have the full picture of sp
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00006.html (13,111 bytes)

2. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: Andy Talbot <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:49:26 +0000
Does Av mean average power, ie 50% of peak Tx ? Andy 'jnt
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00083.html (12,464 bytes)

3. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: "Graham" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:01:55 +0100
worse ? is that worse as in fails to decode or decodes at a worse s/n ? , perhaps worst was the worst word to use to describe a worsening situation , by only making things worse ? G.. Yes OP8 decodes
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00118.html (11,397 bytes)

4. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:37:24 -0500
and this would indicate that it is the equilivent of QRSS ? something better than QRSS 3 isnt it ? Bob K3DJC ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00120.html (9,729 bytes)

5. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: "James Moritz" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:32:02 +0100
Dear Eddie, LF Group, So what you are saying is that the actual SNR at the decode/no decode threshold is the same for Op8 and Op4, but that the SNR indicated by Op8 at this level is 3dB lower than th
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00127.html (11,532 bytes)

6. LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: qrss <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:13:41 +0000
This one worked before also on the G3ZJO G0KTN path:- After dark QSB starts on 500kHz even OP4 can become a struggle, the PA0AM path again. 18:52 18105 PA0AM Op1 -22 dB 322 km Actually on 500kHz 18:5
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00138.html (8,909 bytes)

7. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: qrss <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:57:25 +0000
Yes OP8 decodes but almost always either equal S/N or worse. E I would go for OP2 on 500 , that was the speed that produced the best results at the start , did you have any OP8 decodes? G. This one w
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00139.html (10,477 bytes)

8. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: Albert <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:42:55 +0100
Hello all Opera lovers, Testing Opera speed op1 till op32 under "lab" conditions without the real world phenomena like fading and QRN. The results: 1. if you have solid Opera decodes the received SNR
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00157.html (11,489 bytes)

9. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: Andy Talbot <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:23:04 +0000
In all cases, the mean power is 4dB above the noise level in a bandwidth corresponding to 1/symbol interval Andy G4JNT
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00180.html (13,051 bytes)

10. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: qrss <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:42:21 +0000
Hello Andy We do need to refer back to my original posts here. Yes OP8 decodes but almost always either equal S/N or worse. After that Graham asked for what I meant by worse. I have been keen to run
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00222.html (12,411 bytes)

11. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: "Graham" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:32:04 +0100
The s/n report is the average of each decoded bit in the total tx time frame .. The variations may be down to qsb , in that in the shorter time , there where more demod's at a higher level ...... qsb
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00242.html (13,628 bytes)

12. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: "James Moritz" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:26:05 +0100
Dear Graham, Eddie, LF Group, There is 3 dB gain in each X2 time step One would expect so, but Eddie's results apparently contradict this. But, if the transmitted signal power and noise power spectra
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00398.html (13,440 bytes)

13. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: qrss <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:43:12 +0000
Hi James Yes that is what I consider I have been observing and with the help of Trevor and Cor testing to the best of our ability with a 3dB TX power step from decode to no decode, during steady sign
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00496.html (10,579 bytes)

14. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: qrss <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:15:53 +0000
I have looked back at some other results this evening. There was QSB at this time. This was using my signal to Wootton Bassett 104km. 17:32 500 G3ZJO de G4MDH Op4 104 km -26 dB in Wootton Bassett wit
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00552.html (13,015 bytes)

15. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: qrss <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:49:00 +0000
The worse question you could ask. The decodes fall off at the same signal level resulting from the same TX Power, however OP8 reports -31dB and OP4 reports -28dB I call that worse. In other words I h
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00558.html (12,149 bytes)

16. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: Albert <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:11:41 +0100
The minimum decode is not always at exact -33 dB but a couple of times -32, -33, -34 dB the Av is the average of these values. Albert
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00617.html (10,983 bytes)

17. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: "Graham" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:17:10 +0100
Interesting Ed. I would go for OP2 on 500 , that was the speed that produced the best results at the start , did you have any OP8 decodes? G. This one worked before also on the G3ZJO G0KTN path:- Aft
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00627.html (10,033 bytes)

18. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: "Graham" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:51:53 +0100
Jim There is 3 dB gain in each X2 time step , I think without using path simulator or similar these are a little subjective .. the reading is the average over the tx time. G. Dear Eddie, LF Group, So
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00642.html (11,134 bytes)

19. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: qrss <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:15:58 +0000
Thanks for posting the info Albert, that is what was needed. I assume Av is the average of the minimum signal levels obtained from the large number of test. 73 Eddie G3ZJO Testing Opera speed op1 til
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00648.html (12,154 bytes)

20. Re: LF: Cats among pigeons (score: 1)
Author: Andy Talbot <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:20:08 +0000
The reported S/N (normalised to 2500Hz) for each mode should be the same; the decoding threshold is different in proportion to teh speed. If the reported value is consistently and systematically out,
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2012-02/msg00660.html (11,346 bytes)


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