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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, it seems these sidelines are about 10 dB down at +- 6 mHz. If they were real, we'd surely see them in 424 uHz at DL0AO, but there's nothing there. 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If they were rea= l, we'd surely see them in 424 uHz at DL0AO, but there's nothing there. What is strange ist that the main carrier is shown 2 mHz below the 82 Hz ti= ck, wheras in reality ZEVS is only 10 uHz below nominal. So I suspect that = the real input samplerate is around 24 ppm higher than what SpecLab thinks = it is. This=C2=A0may cause periodic buffer overflows, where samples are los= t and phasejumps occurs.=C2=A0The sideline spacing indicates that this is h= appening every 1000/6 seconds (~ 3 minutes).=C2=A0 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Verschickt: Di, 18. Jun. 2019 17:53 Betreff: SLF: Sidebands arround ZEVS in 1 mHz These days i'm calibrating the colours and angles in my ELF...VLF=20 spectrograms. The colour of ZEVS is now calibrated to deviate less than=20 3 deg. However producing a spectrogram in 1 mHZ FFT bin width, i can see=20 sidebands of ZEVS. Did someone else observe a similar effect? In a first thought i would assume it is my timing system that causes the=20 problem. But maybe it is ZEVS itselfe? Or even propagation? 73, Stefan PS: Capture attached. ------=_Part_2572110_2030604815.1560890591918 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,

it seems these sidelines are abou= t 10 dB down at +- 6 mHz. If they were real, we'd surely see them in 424 uH= z at DL0AO, but there's nothing there.
What is strange ist that the main carrie= r is shown 2 mHz below the 82 Hz tick, wheras in reality ZEVS is only 10 uH= z below nominal. So I suspect that the real input samplerate is around 24 p= pm higher than what SpecLab thinks it is. This may cause periodic buff= er overflows, where samples are lost and phasejumps occurs. The sideli= ne spacing indicates that this is happening every 1000/6 seconds (~ 3 minut= es). 

73, Markus

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Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Di, 18. Jun. 201= 9 17:53
Betreff: SLF: Sidebands arround ZEVS in 1 mHz

These days i'm calibrating the colours and angles in my ELF...V= LF
spectrograms. The colour of ZEVS is now calib= rated to deviate less than
3 deg. However produc= ing a spectrogram in 1 mHZ FFT bin width, i can see
sidebands of ZEVS.
Did someone else observe a= similar effect?
In a first thought i would assum= e it is my timing system that causes the
problem= . But maybe it is ZEVS itselfe? Or even propagation?

73, Stefan

PS: Capture attached.

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