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Content preview: this is the best i can do: ~$ vtblank -v -a30 -t80 -d0.0008 < pliktmp | vtmult -f 2970.1 | vtresample -r 240 | vtresample -r 10 | vtraw -oa | ebnaut -dp16K21A -r10 -c4 -v -f15 -f16 -M'DK7FC/P' -k16 -S6 -N7 Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: c0e6e8bcdc231effb9da2003d606d9a2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SA Timed out after 180 secs Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false this is the best i can do: ~$ vtblank -v -a30 -t80 -d0.0008 < pliktmp | vtmult -f 2970.1 | vtresample -r 240 | vtresample -r 10 | vtraw -oa | ebnaut -dp16K21A -r10 -c4 -v -f15 -f16 -M'DK7FC/P' -k16 -S6 -N7 vtblank: selected channel: 1 = -:1 vtblank: channels: 1, sample_rate: 48000 vtblank: hfactor: 0.000e+00 vtblank: afactor: 30.000 carrier phase: -102.8 carrier Eb/N0: -0.9 dB carrier S/N: 15.09 dB in 133.5 uHz, -23.66 dB in 1Hz, -57.64 dB in 2.5kHz vtblank: end of input vtblank: dropsum 0 17485057, nfp 359999999 vtblank: dropfactor 0 4.857e-02 unfortunately i still can't get a decode with -f9 maybe try a few characters less or longer symbols next time. VY 73 Jacek / SQ5BPF On Sun, 7 Apr 2019, DK7FC wrote: > Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2019 17:54:05 +0200 > From: DK7FC > Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: ULF: EbNaut message transmitted from ground loop > > Jacek, > > I'm right now trying to decode the message from your stream recording. First i did not expect much but a first attempt with > vtread -T2019-04-06_20:25,+125m /jacek | vtcat -p | vtfilter -a th=4 -h bp,f=2970,w=1800 | vtblank -v -a23 -d0.0005 -t100 | vtmult -f2970.1 | > vtresample -r240 | vtresample -r10 | vtraw -oa | ebnaut -dp16K21A -r10 -c2 -v -f15 -f16 -M'DK7FC/P' -T0.3 -k16 -S6 -N7 > produced > carrier Eb/N0: -1.4 dB > carrier S/N: 14.65 dB in 133.5 uHz > > Wow, this already crossed the 14 dB criterium for significant spectrum peaks! A 5 character message would already ecode clearly now! > My data from you has passed a vorbis encode/decode stage, so maybe it is possible for you to get a decode from the raw data? > I'm telling the best result later. We are close to a decode! And that would be a new record distance for amateur radio at ULF. > > All this rises new questions about radio propagation because my loop does not at all point into your direction! > > 73, Stefan > > > Am 07.04.2019 12:49, schrieb Jacek Lipkowski: > On Sun, 7 Apr 2019, DK7FC wrote: > > An OM (OT!) of my radio club told stories of his early radio experiments. He had a friend in some 100m distance and > they lay out a small hidden wire into they ground between their QTHs, using the earth as the back 'wire'. > > > Some electricity (i think they didn't call it electronics back then) hobby books for boys in the USA has descriptions of using > ground dipoles for telegraphy. The transmitter was a buzzer-like circuit with step-up transformer, and the receiver was just high > impedance headphones. Unfortunately i don't have the book, but i remember it also showed how to make a rhumkorff generator from a > ford t ignition coil, so it must have been very old. > > > I also remember reading somewhere that during the war (not sure it was WW II) using amateur radio equipment was prohibited, and the > ARRL advised using similar equipment, so that people don't loose their operating skills. > > No doubt some people used much larger ground dipoles than advised in the books :) > > VY 73 > > Jacek / SQ5BPF > > > >