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From: Neil <neil@g4dbn.uk>
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:25:15 +0000
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Is there a mirrored archive or backups of the blacksheep server to 
preserve it and keep it active when the server is no longer alive? Are 
the admins of the group still around?

I'm not a fan of groups.io by any means, but the monetisation model 
seems to work for them, with free non-commercial groups acting as a way 
to market the commercial service to the businesses that have free group 
users on the payroll to act as unpaid influencers.

I can imagine there would be consent issues with a closed non-indexed 
group being ported to an open one.

There is a similar issue with the French SHF forums.  There are two 
running in parallel and most users are cross-posting duplicates every 
time in hyperfr and hyper-fr-ref.

Archival storage of old forums and websites is more and more important 
as we lose some of the folks who created the first generation of ham 
radio sites.  We can't just put our trust in the Internet Archive.

Neil G4DBN

On 18/03/2019 10:37, Paul Nicholson wrote:
>
> > groups.io forums like UKMicrowaves have public archives
> > which are indexed by search engines.
>
> Unfortunately the groups.io settings would have been inherited
> from the Yahoo group as part of the migration process.  The Yahoo
> group was set up as a private group (as befits a family or commercial
> discussion group), so the archives and files were never public.
>
> I doubt that it is possible to retrospectively change that because
> that would expose posts made when the group was private.
>
> Agreed, in every respect groups.io is an improvement on
> Yahoo and on traditional mailing lists like this one.
>
> Eventually the blacksheep computer will fail - it's have been running
> on borrowed time for years now!  We have been very lucky with it.
>
> A solution would be to create a new group on groups.io with public
> archives and files.  groups.io itself might last 10 years or so, but
> the public archives will last indefinitely as a resource for
> historians.
>
> -- 
> Paul Nicholson
> -- 
>