Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id x1EFCiVE028809 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 16:12:50 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1guIar-0003oc-AG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 15:06:29 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1guIap-0003oT-TX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 15:06:27 +0000 Received: from mail-pg1-x536.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::536]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1guIan-0003DP-UD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 15:06:26 +0000 Received: by mail-pg1-x536.google.com with SMTP id i130so3212391pgd.1 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 07:06:25 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=7sylsPU5xM8h926O9EI4hg4nx0PK8ym9P7W4d8r9ULg=; b=ZzRqZ/6sPRAH9A2H5sksc4WIWpAvlZFMLI5clSb/U5uUhMU+9NWYO7ec0AFjzr9Phm fnZtT53FW80SnTkgxrzdGhGvsHpslW+IIyTPLXXjRO0XN8GZAh2VF2WLpFEDxxVH7oqk LG5gKxOnW9W2+t+hjiEG1gtXyemD4BMLV1eG/4aCM3RTmcMvYBtujP0Y7XiF3NlH4j1T Rff5OrEnxENg3LdGwE9nF51novM0geND4MkmNwXNYI0xH3gNOA2rLgCFKSwVrWiGmwJB J07LmKii8lI7LRInnk/jIrSsiS14+QY0+0zU8ecEQvT1Xon4mj2uA1h9BiezOsN9P7iO aMZw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=7sylsPU5xM8h926O9EI4hg4nx0PK8ym9P7W4d8r9ULg=; b=kOzAbPKqQeZWv7EgA5stWR84KknSnW8MWHoSD4sWxa6Q8kQ63F/mGBb5vUL7OxrS0n Prpl3B6u9wVxSorJs5a2DijW2WqjTCp0WJohnj5dPKA9ddckJSAVorUJrkmDCdht0QiF KIUDtL/QJBWnzfml9jaSGFWuyywcGEBZ3kh83bbRsemQPheq3wE/Nwnm9rb3oJdnDueI ax9UaUVPHJ0q5BdusifCv3kc4NJD9hzM/U96e0Evop48Oe54U1iUFvQYh7IbN44PpptJ B1zTM5t4IGYAlL8m+I7Teljg7ycDbAzryxlTOy+NSDHzYupHylIxbWykqNWX/Ic5M/wD M15A== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAuaAFJBSHqAcfmCMq8cDZVETl7LqMEoYi8Ee5YFdEdmp2Oio0bzV F3XjFnFmMf7MTrjI+gW67OC5gVZbsLCJmOTZbYQ/kuil X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IYl+BaFrvOC4rqA4aSq0AAQzU7bkSOc6fsuVPcuFfv7GJHBZJ2hx0WaPV/h8OVtimH5AEbixBcZ+LEkkbMNI00= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:8d57:: with SMTP id s23mr4471203pfe.237.1550156783916; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 07:06:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5C656A8F.70702@gmx.de> <19BDF8F6-EC4B-43D8-9EAA-FE862ABC048E@hbo.com> In-Reply-To: From: Gaj Kumar Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 20:36:12 +0530 Message-ID: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 8:22 PM Gaj Kumar wrote: > dear Friends > The GE's and RCA , Sonys of Yester years had EMI filters in their TV.s > cookers etc , But nowadays s most of these have very neatly trimmed Tinned > wires in place of the EMI filters [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2607:f8b0:4864:20:0:0:0:536 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (bsgkumar[at]gmail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: ecf102e6d15c1e466f357d5e6d956ac3 Subject: Re: LF: Question: QRM from induction cookers? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000739b410581dc00ef" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --000000000000739b410581dc00ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 8:22 PM Gaj Kumar wrote: > dear Friends > The GE's and RCA , Sonys of Yester years had EMI filters in their TV.s > cookers etc , But nowadays s most of these have very neatly trimmed Tinne= d > wires in place of the EMI filters , The same is the case with the Charger= s > for phones to battery chargers . > solar chargers another wonderful source and have the panels help radiate > very well . > Is there any Inverter , UPS , solar charger which complies with FCC Rule > 15 etc . > The ones manufactured by APC , Schneider etc have no filters installed in > the AC inputs or outputs . > > it is getting worse each day > > Best regards > > Kumar > VU2BGS > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 8:16 PM Musser, Elmer (HBO) > wrote: > >> I just added induction cooking and new refrigerator and led lights with >> dimmers. My RFI is off the chart. The bosh refrigerator creates crazy >> noise. >> On road this week but I am planning to flip circuit breakers and separat= e >> items one at a time. I have so much noise on 80 meters it=E2=80=99s usel= ess. My >> neighbors must have something going bad as well. Very few occasions I ha= ve >> quite(r) nites or hours. But Saturday afternoon is nuts so adding TVs a= s >> sources. Newer UHD HDR lcd panels making tons of noise. >> >> I also have salty air living on water. Power line insulators are >> compromised and a little relief after a good rain storm. >> >> Moving to magnetic loop antennas to attempt noise reduction. >> >> Would love to go >> back to candles and wood stove. >> >> Elmer >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 14, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX >> wrote: >> >> **External Email received from: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ** >> No noise ever noticed on any frequencies from DC to daylight from our 35 >> years old GE induction cooktop. Some broadband noise can be detected >> within a few feet of the cooktop but seems to have never made it to any >> outside antenna. However GE appliances sure aren't' made like they use = to >> be. Just like most well established companies that once had a good >> reputation. Actually GE appliances are now owned by Haier, a Chinese >> company. If our induction cooktop dies before I do I'll sure buy anoth= er >> of some brand. >> >> Dex >> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 8:21 AM Steffi wrote: >> >>> Hi LF Group, >>> >>> soon I will have to buy a new kitchen and I wonder, if an induction >>> cooker is the right choice (regarding QRM!). Does anyone have experienc= e >>> with QRM on MF, LF, VLF produced by an induction cooker? Which brands >>> can be recommended? >>> >>> I already heard, that there won't be problems on 80m, but what about >>> lower frequencies? >>> >>> I'm not yet QRV on MF/LF, but maybe in the future.. >>> >>> Any comments and experiences will be helpful! >>> >>> 73, >>> de Steffi - dl8nsb >>> >>> >>> --000000000000739b410581dc00ef Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 8:22 PM Gaj Kumar <bsgkumar@gmail.com> wrote:
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dear Friends
The GE's = and RCA , Sonys of Yester years had EMI filters in their TV.s cookers etc ,= But nowadays s most of these have very neatly trimmed Tinned wires in plac= e of the EMI filters , The same is the case with the Chargers for phones to= battery chargers .
solar chargers another wonderful source and = have the panels help radiate very well .
Is there any Inverter , = UPS , solar charger which complies with FCC Rule 15 etc .
The one= s manufactured by APC , Schneider etc have no filters installed in the AC i= nputs or outputs .

it is getting worse each day

Best regards

Kumar
<= div>VU2BGS=C2=A0

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 8:16 PM Musser, Elmer (= HBO) <Elmer.Mu= sser@hbo.com> wrote:
I just added induction cooking and new refrigerator and led lights with dim= mers. My RFI is off the chart.=C2=A0 The bosh refrigerator creates crazy no= ise. =C2=A0
On road this week but I am planning to flip circuit breakers and separ= ate items one at a time. I have so much noise on 80 meters it=E2=80=99s use= less.=C2=A0 My neighbors must have something going bad as well. Very few oc= casions I have quite(r) nites or hours.=C2=A0 But Saturday afternoon is nuts so adding TVs as sources. Newer UHD HDR lcd pan= els making tons of noise.=C2=A0

I also have salty air living on water. Power line insulators are compromise= d and a little relief after a good rain storm. =C2=A0

Moving to magnetic loop antennas to attempt noise reduction.=C2=A0

Would love to go=C2=A0
back to candles and wood stove.=C2=A0

Elmer
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 14, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dexter.mc@gmail.com> wrote:

**External Email received from: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org **

No noise ever notice= d on any frequencies from DC to daylight from our 35 years old GE induction= cooktop.=C2=A0 Some broadband noise can be detected within a few feet of t= he cooktop but seems to have never made it to any outside antenna.=C2=A0 However GE appliances sure aren't' m= ade like they use to be.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Just like most well established compan= ies that once had a good reputation.=C2=A0 Actually GE appliances are now o= wned by Haier, a Chinese company.=C2=A0 =C2=A0If our induction cooktop dies before I do I'll sure buy another of some brand.

Dex

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 8:21 AM Steff= i <jota.s@gmx.de&= gt; wrote:
Hi LF Group,

soon I will have to buy a new kitchen and I wonder, if an induction
cooker is the right choice (regarding QRM!). Does anyone have experience with QRM on MF, LF, VLF produced by an induction cooker? Which brands
can be recommended?

I already heard, that there won't be problems on 80m, but what about lower frequencies?

I'm not yet QRV on MF/LF, but maybe in the future..

Any comments and experiences will be helpful!

73,
de Steffi - dl8nsb


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