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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi VLF, > I will do a proper test: an appropriate resistor (50 ohm if I decide > to do 50 ohm to 4 ohm transformer) at the output winding and the > amplifier at max power. The only thing that should get hot m [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2607:f8b0:4864:20:0:0:0:735 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dtsifakis[at]gmail.com) X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: Re: R: Re: VLF: in VK? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi VLF, > I will do a proper test: an appropriate resistor (50 ohm if I decide > to do 50 ohm to 4 ohm transformer) at the output winding and the > amplifier at max power. The only thing that should get hot must be the > resistor! > > I made long time ago a web calculator for this: > > http://people.physics.anu.edu.au/~dxt103/calculators/toroid.php > > Anyway, I should stop talking about it and just try it out. Just finished making a pair of impedance transformers. I used some junk box large (OD=61.5mm, ID=37.5mm, L=12.8mm) ferrite toroids of unknown material and I stacked two on each transformer. I then made an autotransformer with a total of 52 turns tapped at 15 turns making roughly a 4 ohm to 50 ohm transformer (48 ohm to 4 ohm to be pricese). I wasn't aiming for 50 ohms it just happened to be the number of turns that neatly fitted on the toroids!! A=3.2cm^2 and the calculated Bmax for the expected power levels is less than 500 gauss so we are in business. I then did some tests with the amplifier, I connected the two 50 ohm windings back to back and place the amplifier on one end and a 4 ohm high wattage resistor at the other end. I was pleased to see that the resistor got super hot and the transformers remained cool as a cucumber. I was able to get on the resistor more than 100 watts from f=3 kHz to 20 kHz, which reduced to 80 watts at 30 kHz. I can live with that. The amplifier is nominally 100 W output per channel. Fingers crossed now I will get a chance to fire it up on the antenna this weekend! 73, Dimitris VK2COW/VK1SV