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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, > > Hmm, my understanding is that a DC measurement won't be too useful as > > it will suffer from polarisation problems. When you do a DC > > measurement, try to reverse the polarity and let me know w [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2607:f8b0:4864:20:0:0:0:734 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dtsifakis[at]gmail.com) X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: Re: R: Re: VLF: in VK? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Stefan, > > Hmm, my understanding is that a DC measurement won't be too useful as > > it will suffer from polarisation problems. When you do a DC > > measurement, try to reverse the polarity and let me know what happens > > to the resistance you are measuring compared to the previous polarity. > > > I know about the effect of an extra voltage drop on the surface of an > electrode into soil. Thus i recommend to use a larger voltage. Why do > you expect a different DC resistance when changing the polarity? > I can do that test you suggested but i don't expect a difference. It > could be interesting to rise the voltage from 0 to say 50V in small > steps and note the current and then draw a graph. Then you would see the > nonlinearity. I would expect that it is only visible below 10 V. What I was thinking is the induced polarization phenomenon in geophysical ground measurements. It has to do with mobilization of ions near the electrodes in the ground due to the constant electric field which results in a measurement that changes with time. If the time constant is low, perhaps that's not a problem but until you check, you can't be sure. I think it's worth while doing that polarity change next time you are doing measurement and report back on your findings. Do that test you suggested, from 0 to 50 volts and then repeat it using 0 to - 50 volts and plot them on the same chart.. > Very well. Cucumber, a word i had to learn. Do you know how to bridge > the PA to get another 3 dB of output power? Yes, it's quite simple however I will need one isolating transformer as the output is given from the two non-grounded output terminals of the two channels. That shouldn't be a problem. Alternatively, I can ensure that no part of the loop is grounded, however that's more difficult. 73, Dimitris VK2COW