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Content preview: This popular item doesn't seem particularly friendly for ULF-VLF; 40 to 76 turns wrapped around the home's water main pipe, ~ 2 amps out, sweeping 1 kHz to 20 kHz every 50 milliseconds. https://www.scaleblaster.com/wp-content/uploads/docs/spec-max.pdf Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:42 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (hvanesce[at]comcast.net) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1273381c241b4bc851b7e848e0897dc9 Subject: LF: QRM - Other Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_028A_01D4C47D.0FBAE650" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_028A_01D4C47D.0FBAE650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This popular item doesn't seem particularly friendly for ULF-VLF; 40 to 76 turns wrapped around the home's water main pipe, ~ 2 amps out, sweeping 1 kHz to 20 kHz every 50 milliseconds. https://www.scaleblaster.com/wp-content/uploads/docs/spec-max.pdf https://www.scaleblaster.com/wp-content/uploads/docs/installation-max.pdf which would seem to give roughly 40 fT at 100m at for the specified 70 turns on 4 cm water main, not counting eddy currents in the copper pipe. Not sure how current varies* with frequency in these devices, or how rectangular the current waveform is. * (guessing current varies as 1/f, which would mean roughly 30 fT at 50m at 10 kHz) A commercial unit provides 10A-40A into a 200uH coil around the water main (less current into the nominal 1 mH coil): https://www.scaleblaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/SB-4000-clm276.pdf https://www.scaleblaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Sb1200-SB4000-Instal l-Operations-Manual.pdf which would seem to give roughly 10 fT at 1 km for the specified 7 turns on 106 cm water main. - Jim AA5BW ------=_NextPart_000_028A_01D4C47D.0FBAE650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

This popular = item doesn’t seem particularly friendly for ULF-VLF; 40 to 76 = turns wrapped around the home’s water main pipe, ~ 2 amps out, = sweeping 1 kHz to 20 kHz every 50 milliseconds.

https://www.scaleblaster.com/wp-content/uploads/docs/spec-max.pdf

https://www.scaleblaster.com/wp-content/uploads/docs/installati= on-max.pdf

which would seem to = give roughly 40 fT at 100m at for the specified 70 turns on 4 cm water = main, not counting eddy currents in the copper pipe.

Not sure how current varies* with frequency in these = devices, or how rectangular the current waveform is.

  * (guessing current varies as 1/f, which would = mean roughly 30 fT at 50m at 10 kHz)

 

A commercial = unit provides 10A-40A into a 200uH coil around the water main (less = current into the nominal 1 mH coil):

https://www.scaleblaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/SB-400= 0-clm276.pdf

https://www.scaleblaster.com/wp-conte= nt/uploads/2016/07/Sb1200-SB4000-Install-Operations-Manual.pdf

which would seem to give roughly 10 fT at 1 = km for the specified 7 turns on 106 cm water main.

 

- Jim AA5BW =  

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