Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id x0CJwcsT010632 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 20:58:39 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1giPNK-0006g3-1M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:55:22 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1giPNJ-0006fu-N6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:55:21 +0000 Received: from mail-qt1-x82f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::82f]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1giPNH-0001hk-Vw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:55:20 +0000 Received: by mail-qt1-x82f.google.com with SMTP id n32so22527633qte.11 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 11:55:19 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/wLpxrDnikjiYYIjycCbpDwZIxWhsIicxlb/d1Bhie4=; b=kPEMpqM+vq4uyY8er3FeNJVpohWsvpZXa7sNXs/o1KyTIXYXm825h1pv/RS7OnaHqD VIi5Dm9qfhJx97ikuHA1368fCyiFaJwlDzVrzupUvtYLxW0yt9j/6SlmLDLHHKQsSK5O u2z9RRBL7hb/NV5TDUONQiCHSy8N8fO2Y5y6UXRf5ClgVxYtHraGl7mXf97pv33OVMeQ FB3R2XuNlkNMlto9PD/XF9hHX6UdenjOc6LdxhOJiezmitc2JGb3O9CuEA8+dVrR6x+v 6EbWzIYxDLkDUKlIvdXXAgCOb7NxEJ6jeXuV/KKT0U9fv209oJdK1d6LuMtcJJScbZjB 2HuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/wLpxrDnikjiYYIjycCbpDwZIxWhsIicxlb/d1Bhie4=; b=OFBcxP/sxsbHHGuaBomKX96sapZ6SvutCLc9Q0ppSeD/1rPLtzih9MLB5wrrh5p4d5 UCIhijxrVSQSJybTyJNrLJzkaRew6Kxn5LN/HX3+LTLS3k5U24A218WLjOvRNUlnoU8A HNRp5PFyLnae3MRTYV61C2ls3ShcrI7uO0stHyrGJDUdg6SBr3MP5AAcuqPLKTPU4hNp fuFttPHm7htnpWCAd5CEt3bUNit5sGq/DNlATuy3DBPFufAK/tprj3VZnXK4JgA6Sp9V kkrG4UmMbYXnXPmbMwBWBrkMwvG0d/IckKj3q8nhXWMVhZPQxDPBgdaKoWsgv/MFgSly 66YA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukesFvdt7nRn5r0GDq+eAIt5MlFs6KcXDvcTV78K42Kf1yst5a6S L3Lf3Ud+nSFZUQ9IaY7kmKBrr51hpup+GsVSbmd48A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN6kRd+OiW+hOwtQH/0mTWumKu3qIrpDnWZi7uOjzAkeW6qbUKmVvCfBP9JjozhBVF/ojEbiTmTgv2xthRuCD8Q= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:3a22:: with SMTP id w31mr18396615qte.302.1547322918336; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 11:55:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dimitrios Tsifakis Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 06:55:10 +1100 Message-ID: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hi Clemens, the mistake I made the first time was that I incorrectly set the ID/OD difference of the equivalent ring to be 2 cm instead of 4... 73, Dimitris VK2COW Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2607:f8b0:4864:20:0:0:0:82f listed in] [list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dtsifakis[at]gmail.com) 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: c6a8ca7629fac3d35507e5a7fd3cbf17 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: a lot of ferrite Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by klubnl.pl id x0CJwcsT010632 Hi Clemens, the mistake I made the first time was that I incorrectly set the ID/OD difference of the equivalent ring to be 2 cm instead of 4... 73, Dimitris VK2COW Στις Κυρ, 13 Ιαν 2019 στις 1:20 π.μ., ο/η Clemens Paul έγραψε: > > Hi Dimitris, > > >Minor correction, the calculated relative permeability should be about > >500, > > I've made a calculation based on your data with the mini ring-core calculator > and it says µ = 1070 and AL = 937.5nH /N^2 > > So your first calculation seems to be right. > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of > >Dimitrios Tsifakis > >Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 5:03 AM > >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >Subject: LF: Re: a lot of ferrite > > > >Minor correction, the calculated relative permeability should be about > >500, I made a mistake in the initial calculation. I just discover why > >they call it initial permeability (bad joke) :-) > > > >73, Dimitris VK2COW > > > >Στις Σάβ, 12 Ιαν 2019 στις 2:48 μ.μ., ο/η Dimitrios Tsifakis > > έγραψε: > >> > >> Hi LF group, > >> > >> I have managed to acquire a few very large ferrite rods (36 > >cm x 10 cm > >> x 2 cm). The material is unknown but I managed to form a square > >> 'toroid' with four of them (they are heavy so gravity was enough to > >> keep everything in place for a measurement) and I measured > >about 15 uH > >> for 4 turns at 0.1 MHz, which if I have done the calculations > >> correctly implies a relative permeability of about 1000. > >> > >> The R of the impedance of the square loop was low (<0.2 ohm) at 0.1 > >> MHz and it increased fast with frequency (170 ohm at 5 MHz!). > >> > >> The question is, what LF/VLF experiment would you do if you > >had half a > >> dozen of these rods? > >> > >> 73, Dimitris VK2COW > > > > > >--- > >Diese E-Mail wurde von AVG auf Viren geprüft. > >http://www.avg.com > > > >