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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, yes, that's me also known as VK1SV but I have changed states and I have a new callsign now. :-) In fact I have both as I am using VK1SV at the university for the cubesate ground station that I manage. Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2607:f8b0:4864:20:0:0:0:830 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dtsifakis[at]gmail.com) 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d7fcd9b75df8d1b09ddef9df028bd9ae Subject: Re: LF: a lot of ferrite Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by klubnl.pl id x0CK0V66010640 Hi Stefan, yes, that's me also known as VK1SV but I have changed states and I have a new callsign now. :-) In fact I have both as I am using VK1SV at the university for the cubesate ground station that I manage. I will study these sites today and make up my mind if it's worth doing this or not. 73, Dimitris VK2COW Στις Κυρ, 13 Ιαν 2019 στις 12:29 π.μ., ο/η DK7FC έγραψε: > > Hi Dimitris, > > Interesting. BTW, it's a long time ago that we read from you. You have > been VK1SV some years ago, right? > I remember your websites and experiments with some long wires laying on > the ground. I wish to have such a wide area for experimenting like you > have :-) Recently i searched for one of your websies where you described > an experiment using 2x 100m of wire, if i remember correctly. But the > page was not found. Can you tell me the link, if it is still existing? > > Well, i see no advantage in a RX antenna when using such rods. Maybe you > can build a RX loop antenna a bit more compact but then it will be very > heavy and the air gap (changing with temperature and mechanical forces) > may affect the phasy stability. > For a TX antenna i see no advantage either. An AL value of 1 uH can be > reached with most high mu ferrite toroids... > > However, maybe you could build a H field RX antenna for frequencies > below 1 kHz, something like http://www.vlf.it/romero3/ics101.html or > http://www.vlf.it/matteobruna/ULF_Induction-Coil.htm > > 73, Stefan > > > Am 12.01.2019 04:48, schrieb Dimitrios Tsifakis: > > Hi LF group, > > > > I have managed to acquire a few very large ferrite rods (36 cm x 10 cm > > x 2 cm). The material is unknown but I managed to form a square > > 'toroid' with four of them (they are heavy so gravity was enough to > > keep everything in place for a measurement) and I measured about 15 uH > > for 4 turns at 0.1 MHz, which if I have done the calculations > > correctly implies a relative permeability of about 1000. > > > > The R of the impedance of the square loop was low (<0.2 ohm) at 0.1 > > MHz and it increased fast with frequency (170 ohm at 5 MHz!). > > > > The question is, what LF/VLF experiment would you do if you had half a > > dozen of these rods? > > > > 73, Dimitris VK2COW > > > > >