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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Yes Markus, QRG has been corrected at 137546.5 Hz. Thanks for the advice. Again on air now ! 73, Dom. On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 00:56, Markus Vester wrote: Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2607:f8b0:4864:20:0:0:0:22d listed in] [list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (iz7slz.domenico[at]gmail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f190dc8f4f83e88c974c8127ee718502 Subject: Re: LF: Re: EbNaut tonite Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a56bdb057f9c563f" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --000000000000a56bdb057f9c563f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Markus, QRG has been corrected at 137546.5 Hz. Thanks for the advice. Again on air now ! 73, Dom. On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 00:56, Markus Vester wrote: > Hi Domenico, > > that's not ideal because the spacing to Stefan should be a multiple of > 0.125 Hz. Could you also use 137546.5 Hz? > > 73, Markus > > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: Domenico IZ7SLZ > An: rsgb_lf_group > Verschickt: Do, 17. Jan. 2019 0:49 > Betreff: Re: LF: Re: EbNaut tonite > > QSY also from my side. > For the next timeslots, QRG will be 137546.7 Hz . > 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2019, 00:21 Riccardo Zoli > > Ok, Jay. QSY now on *137543.5 Hz *(from 2300z transmission). > > Thanks for your information. > > 73 de Riccardo IW4DXW > > Il giorno Mer 16 Gen 2019, 23:31 ha scritto: > > Riccardo, Domenico > > Deja vu ... seems like we've been here before ... > > The receiver / SpecLab was set up earlier in the day to receive Stefan's > transmissions on 137.545. Unfortunately, both of your announced frequenci= es > are outside the passband in the current setup ... which is approximately > +/- 3 Hz. In the future it would be best if you could stay within 3 > Hz. Think Marcus advocated for 1 Hz separation in the past. > > Will be happy to look for your EbNaut signals another night. > > Jay W1VD > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Riccardo Zoli > *To:* LF Group > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2019 3:52 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: EbNaut tonite > > > Hi LF & EbNauters. > > Ok, Stefan and Domenico: I'll join you with the same transmission coding > and parameters on *137.535 kHz* (message repeated hourly, 1st on 2100z, > last on 0700z). > > Reports are welcome. > > All the best > > > 73 de Riccardo IW4DXW > > > > > Il giorno Mer 16 Gen 2019, 21:03 Domenico IZ7SLZ < > iz7slz.domenico@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > LF, > > I will transmit a *4 *character message with EbNaut on *137.540 kHz*, sym= =3D > *8s*, code=3D*4K19A*, *CRC=3D16*. > Transmissions will start on 2019-01-16 22.00 UTC with a duration of 30' > 56''; then repeated every hour. Last transmission on 2019-01-17 06:00. > > TX setup in use: Paul N. Program 'EbSynth' steered with 10 kHz from GPS, > analog SSB exciter with reference oscillator steered by the same GPS, > 'gpds' and 'chrony' programs for controlling the UTC time of the computer= . > Antenna current =3D 1.5 A, antenna type rev-L 8+8 meters. > > Reports are welcome. > > 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ / JN80nu > > > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 15:57, Domenico IZ7SLZ > wrote: > > Hello Stefan and LF, > > results of decoding for your EbNaut signal in JN80nu are at > https://qsl.net/iz7slz/EBNAUT/DECODED.TXT > > Attached to this email there is a folder with the plots of the eight > periods. First two transmissions seems to be affected by fading. > > I want to join your EbNaut session tonight with some transmissions from m= y > side. I will announce the parameters as soon the setup is ready. > > 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ > > > > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 14:20, DK7FC wrote: > > Hello Rob and Jay, > > Many thanks for the reports and all the details. Jay, did you miss the 22 > UTC transmission or did it not decode? > Interesting to see the phase plots. It is expected that the phase is less > stable when the band opens. In the last transmission, the Eb/N0 is not hi= gh > enough to see the phase pattern. > I wonder if the traces become more evident if 4K19 is used. > > What happens when a solar event happens during the transmission time? Doe= s > it change the phase or just the D layer attenuation? > Maybe we can repeat the experiment, using 4K19A. Of course a carrier coul= d > be used too, but i like to 'play' with EbNaut. > > So, tonite: > > > > > > > > > > > > *f =3D 137.545 kHzStart time: 16.JAN.2019 22:00:00.3 UTCSymbol period: 8 > sCharacters: 4CRC bits: 16Coding 4K19AAntenna current: 4 ADuration: 30:56 > [mm:ss]* 73, Stefan > > > Am 16.01.2019 12:29, schrieb Rob Renoud: > > Stefan, > > Late start but 7 successful decodes. Have not gotten to phase plots yet.= .. > > *UTC* *Rank* *C Eb/N0* *Eb/N0* *MSG* *Ref Phase* > 0100 0 5.6 1.6 2019 0,-30,0 30 > 0200 0 6.9 0.4 2019 60,30 30 0 > 0300 0 9.9 5.8 2019 90,60,60,0 > 0400 0 11.2 8.8 2019 180,180,150,150 > 0500 0 6.3 2.7 2019 0,-30,-30,-60 > > 73, > Rob =E2=80=93 K3RWR > > > *From:* DK7FC > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:33 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: EbNaut tonite > > LF, > > Today, the messages will be transmitted as announced, starting 22 UTC > > 73, Stefan > > Am 14.01.2019 22:16, schrieb DK7FC: > > PS: Repeatinh hourly, until including 6 UTC. > > Am 14.01.2019 22:13, schrieb DK7FC: > > Hi LF, > > Just a short EbNaut message tonite. I'm interested to see the phase > changes on a long path. Markus's showrawsyms does a good job there, as lo= ng > as 8K19A is used. A shorter message should also help to build up a clear > trace. > So let's try an unusual short message: > > > > > > > > > *f =3D 137.545 kHzStart time: 14.JAN.2019 22:00:00.3 UTCSymbol period: 4 > sCharacters: 4CRC bits: 16Coding 8K19AAntenna current: 4 ADuration: 30:56 > [mm:ss]* > > Reports, including phase plots, welcome :-) > > 73, Stefan > > --000000000000a56bdb057f9c563f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes Markus,
QRG has been corrected at 137546.5 Hz.
Thanks for the advice.

Again on air now !
73, Dom.

= On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 00:56, Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Domenico,

that's= not ideal because the spacing to Stefan should be a multiple of 0.125 Hz. = Could you also use 137546.5 Hz?

73, Markus


-----Urspr=C3= =BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Domenico IZ7SLZ <iz7slz.domenico@gmail.com>= ;
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Do, 1= 7. Jan. 2019 0:49
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: EbNaut tonite

QSY also from my s= ide.
For the next timeslots, QRG will be 137546.7 Hz .
73, Do= menico IZ7SLZ=C2=A0

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019, 00:21 Riccardo Zoli = <riccardozoli80@gmail.com wrote:

O= k, Jay. QSY now on 137543.5 Hz (from 2300z transmission).
=
Thanks for your information.

73 de Riccardo IW4DXW

Il giorno Mer 16 Gen 2019, 23:31 <= jrusgrove@comcast.net> ha scritto:
Riccardo, Domenico
=C2=A0
Deja vu ... seems like we've been here before=20 ...
=C2=A0
The receiver / SpecLab was set up earlier in the=20 day=C2=A0to receive Stefan's transmissions on=20 137.545.=C2=A0Unfortunately,=C2=A0both of your announced frequencies are ou= tside=20 the=C2=A0passband in the current setup ... which is approximately +/- 3 Hz.= In=20 the future it would be best if you could stay within=C2=A03 Hz.=C2=A0Think= =20 Marcus advocated for 1 Hz separation in the past.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Will be happy to look for your EbNaut signals=20 another night.
=C2=A0
Jay W1VD
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Riccardo= Zoli
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 3= :52=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: EbNaut tonite<= /div>


Hi LF & EbNauters.

Ok, Stefan and Domenico: I'll join you with the same=20 transmission coding and parameters on=C2=A0137.535 kHz=C2=A0(messa= ge=20 repeated hourly, 1st on 2100z, last on 0700z).

Reports are welcome.

All the best


73 de Riccardo IW4DXW




Il giorno Mer 16 Gen 2019, 21:03 Domenico IZ7SLZ <iz7slz.domenico@gmail.com> ha scritto:
LF,

I will transmit a 4 character message with EbNaut on 137= .540=20 kHz, sym=3D8s, code=3D4K19A, CRC=3D16.
Transmissions will start on 2019-01-16 22.00 UTC with a duration o= f 30'=20 56''; then repeated every hour. Last transmission on 2019-01-17= 06:00.

TX setup in use: Paul N. Program 'EbSynth' steered with 10= kHz from=20 GPS, analog SSB exciter with reference oscillator steered by the same G= PS,=20 'gpds' and 'chrony' programs for controlling the UTC ti= me of the=20 computer.
Antenna current =3D 1.5 A, antenna type rev-L 8+8 meters.

Reports are welcome.

73, Domenico IZ7SLZ / JN80nu







On=20 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 15:57, Domenico IZ7SLZ <iz7slz.domenico@gmail.com>=20 wrote:
Hello Stefan and LF,

results of decoding for your EbNaut signal in JN80nu are at https://qsl.net/iz7slz/EBNAUT/DECODED.T= XT

Attached to this email there is a folder with the plots of the e= ight=20 periods. First two transmissions seems to be affected by fading.

I want to join your EbNaut session tonight with some transmissio= ns=20 from my side. I will announce the parameters as soon the setup is=20 ready.

73, Domenico IZ7SLZ




On We= d, 16 Jan 2019 at 14:20, DK7FC <selberdenken= @posteo.de>=20 wrote:
Hello Rob and Jay,

Many = thanks for the=20 reports and all the details. Jay, did you miss the 22 UTC transmiss= ion=20 or did it not decode?
Interesting to see the phas= e plots. It is=20 expected that the phase is less stable when the band opens. In the = last=20 transmission, the Eb/N0 is not high enough to see the phase=20 pattern.
I wonder if the traces become more evide= nt if 4K19 is=20 used.

What happens when a sola= r event happens during the=20 transmission time? Does it change the phase or just the D layer=20 attenuation?
Maybe we can repeat the experiment, = using 4K19A. Of=20 course a carrier could be used too, but i like to 'play' wi= th=20 EbNaut.

So, tonite:

f =3D 137.545 kHz
Start t= ime:=20 16.JAN.2019=C2=A0 22:00:00.3 UTC
Symbol period: 8= s
Characters:=20 4
CRC bits: 16
Codin= g 4K19A
Antenna current: 4=20 A
Duration: 30:56 [mm:ss]


=C2=A073,=20 Stefan


Am 1= 6.01.2019 12:29, schrieb Rob Renoud:=20
Stefan,
=C2=A0
Late start but 7 successful decodes.=C2=A0 Have not gotten t= o=20 phase plots yet...
=C2=A0
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73,
Rob =E2=80=93 K3RWR
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
From: DK7FC
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: EbNaut tonite
=C2=A0
LF,=20

Today, the messages will be= transmitted as announced, starting=20 22 UTC

73, Stefan

Am 14.01.2019 22:16, schrieb DK7FC:=20
PS: Repeatinh hourly, until including 6= =20 UTC.

Am 14.01.2019 22:13, = schrieb DK7FC:=20
Hi LF,

Just a short EbNaut message=20 tonite. I'm interested to see the phase changes on a long= path.=20 Markus's showrawsyms does a good job there, as long as 8K= 19A is=20 used. A shorter message should also help to build up a clear= =20 trace.
So let's try an unusual short me= ssage:

f =3D=20 137.545 kHz
Start time: 14.JAN.2019=C2=A0 2= 2:00:00.3=20 UTC
Symbol period: 4 s
Ch= aracters: 4
CRC bits:=20 16
Coding 8K19A
Ant= enna current: 4 A
Duration:=20 30:56 [mm:ss]

Report= s, including phase plots, welcome=20 :-)

73,=20 Stefan

<= /div>
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