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Content preview: Hello Chris, LF > Paul: W1VD makes the comment that the IR2110 is near its limit gate > capacitance drive wise, driving the parallelled devices, so a change > to devices with more gate capacitance is going to be push [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [74.208.4.194 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [74.208.4.194 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders X-Scan-Signature: 086f3faad0220c9ae57a7913e711a86d X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SA Timed out after 180 secs Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello Chris, LF > Paul: W1VD makes the comment that the IR2110 is near its limit gate > capacitance drive wise, driving the parallelled devices, so a change > to devices with more gate capacitance is going to be pushing things. I > know these are dear but the gate and drain waveforms I see with them > and notably better than the older design FET's, although for me they > have not been an issue. My free supply of the Wolfspeed FET's has > stopped, otherwise I would still use them. I lost a few whilst finding > my feet and ironing out mistakes, and poor layout. A gate capacitance > of 660pF is pretty impressive ;) Can you upload screen shots of the > gate and drain waveforms you are now seeing for comparison, they are > kind of hard to envisage in words ;) I was so frustrated I did not get out the camera to take photos of the scope traces. But I promise before I remove these FETs I will do that and post some waveforms with the original FQA34N20 vs. the FQA32N20C. I was not monitoring internal waveforms at the time I stopped on air testing. In my present setup it is difficult to have the scope connected to a PA when it is running from the big power supply. I stopped because when I reached 200W output I could see the output sine wave after the LPF was starting to fluctuate in a certain way. I have seen it before with more than one PA, and have come to associate the particular pattern with excessive ringing. Usually it comes just before the big bang! I really don't want to re-engineer the whole PA to get it working if I can avoid it. By now we have all seen my lack of engineering skills! ;-) 73, Paul