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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: LF, EbNauters i have added some more info regarding my EbNaut RX setup in the previous folder and created a better summary. The folder is now located at https://drive.google.com/file/d/18s5d6ZC2K4NjbCIazRs-DIhQdSOe4ujH/view?usp=sharing Thanks in advance for any feed-back. 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The folder is now located at https://drive.google.com/file/d/18s5d6ZC2K4NjbCIazRs-DIhQdSOe4ujH/view?usp= =3Dsharing Thanks in advance for any feed-back. A question for Stefan: the necessary 0.3 s correction is needed becouse your transmission starts later (maybe due to the special SL Tx configuration) or transmission timing is precise, but our SL based decoder needs that corrections ? I have received your signal this night without any time-offsets in the auto decoder. https://www.qsl.net/iz7slz/EBNAUT/DECODED.TXT 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 at 22:58, Domenico IZ7SLZ wrote: > LF, > > i have accepted the invitation of Paul N1BUG and added many other > informations in the folder already shared, that is now located at > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Hb6B-qoV5KOZrw2k2FddRCrqXqOTF3mF/view?us= p=3Dsharing > > Sorry: for the moments everythings are inside the folder without any link= , > but there a doc. file with a summary of the contents. > Sorry also for my English and for the block diagram drawn by hand (work i= n > progress). > > Hope to receive from interested people questions, corrections and > suggestions so the quality of the informations will improve. > Of course, for vlfrx-tools instructions, i strongly recommend to read > the Paul Nicholson abelian.org website (The Bible !). > > I will prepare soon also informations for the EbNaut 'Windows' solution, > i.e. all software preparations done here when using EbNaut-rx.exe program > on Windows's pc. > > Paul wrote: > >>>>> I'm semi-down with suspected food poisoning. > Hope your better now and feel ok. > > 73, Domenico > > > On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 22:21, N1BUG wrote: > >> Hi Rob, Joe, EbNaut, >> >> I would certainly like to see a write-up on Joe's setup along with >> any relevant schematics if available. >> >> Yours too, Rob, even if (maybe) it is more than needed for LF. >> >> Wasn't someone working on a web site devoted to EbNaut at LF? I >> can't seem to find that info now but I'm not fully up to speed >> today. I'm semi-down with suspected food poisoning. >> >> If not, I will up my earlier offer. If those who have had success >> with EbNaut at LF will share information on what they used and how >> they did it, I will offer to host it all in one place. Maybe we >> could put together a LF EbNaut FAQ. >> >> 73, >> Paul >> >> >> >> On 12/9/18 1:53 PM, Rob Renoud wrote: >> > Hi Joe, Paul and Chris, >> > >> > I=E2=80=99m wondering if a technical description of Joe=E2=80=99s LF E= bNaut setup >> > might be useful to you as, I believe, you are both using >> > non-linear amplifiers. >> > >> > My system is built around using the linear Hafler amplifiers and >> > also with an eye toward doing VLF transmissions at some point. >> > As such, my system uses GPS-based time and frequency references >> > throughout and may have a level of complexity that is not >> > required at LF. >> > >> > Thoughts? I=E2=80=99ll still prepare a summary of my system for shari= ng >> > as that may be useful as well. >> > >> > 73, Rob - K3RWR >> > >> >> On Dec 9, 2018, at 12:52, jcraig@mun.ca wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> >> >> More snow last night, but I waited for the plough this time! I >> >> don't use a linear amp for EbNaut, and a DOCXO is good enough >> >> for LF (but not VLF). It isn't hard to do... its easier than >> >> the WSPR modes which are confounding to those of us who can't >> >> seem to find the microphone jacks on their home brewed >> >> transmitters! >> >> >> >> 73 Joe VO1NA >> >> >> >>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018, N1BUG wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I was interested in trying EbNaut as well, but realistically >> >>> it never seemed practical. I would have to start over will >> >>> all new equipment for receiving, a linear amplifier for >> >>> transmitting and a GPSDO or two. >> >>> >> >>> I am progressing in the wrong direction. My HP 3325B has >> >>> recently come up dead and basic checks show it to have issues >> >>> beyond my ability to repair. I miss that generator every >> >>> day! >> >>> >> >>> Rob, I'm sure there are more relevant / obvious places to put >> >>> the files, but if you don't get a better offer let me know. I >> >>> have web space and would be happy to host the information. >> >>> >> >>> 73, Paul >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> On 12/9/18 11:57 AM, Rob Renoud wrote: Hi Chris, >> >>>> >> >>>> I=E2=80=99ll be glad to document my current EbNaut TX setup. I >> >>>> think a series of PDF documents might work best. Do you >> >>>> have any suggestions regarding where these documents might >> >>>> be posted as I do not have a web site? >> >>>> >> >>>> Give me a week or so to bring the pieces together. >> >>>> >> >>>> 73, Rob - K3RWR >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Dec 9, 2018, at 10:10, Chris Wilson >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hello Rob, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Myself and I think Paul, N1BUG, both have these HP >> >>>>> generators, would you be willing to give a brief write up >> >>>>> about how you are using yours for Ebnaut please and what >> >>>>> peripherals you are using under what OS? I am still >> >>>>> building up courage to give it a go on LF, but I have to >> >>>>> admit I find it all a little daunting still.... Thanks! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sunday, December 9, 2018, 11:47:22 AM, you wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Hi Jay, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> This is welcome news that the newly added periodic CW >> >>>>>> ID has no effect on your end. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> The HP3325A that I employ as the EbNaut driver makes it >> >>>>>> easy with separate but parallel phase (EbNaut >> >>>>>> signaling) and amplitude (periodic CW ID) inputs. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Thanks & 73, Rob - K3RWR >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- Best regards, Chris mailto:dead.fets@gmail.com >> >> --000000000000a77674057cd45d40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF, EbNauters

i have added some more info rega= rding my EbNaut RX setup in the previous folder and created a better summar= y.

The folder is now located at=C2=A0
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18s5d6ZC2K4NjbCIazRs-DI= hQdSOe4ujH/view?usp=3Dsharing
Thanks in advance for any f= eed-back.

A question for Stefan: the necessary=C2= =A0 0.3 s correction is needed becouse your transmission starts later (mayb= e due to the special SL Tx configuration)=C2=A0 or transmission timing is p= recise, but=C2=A0 our SL based decoder needs that corrections ?=C2=A0
=
I have received your signal this night without any=C2=A0 time-offsets = in the auto decoder.

73, Domenico IZ7SLZ
On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 at 22:58,= Domenico IZ7SLZ <iz7slz.do= menico@gmail.com> wrote:
LF,

i have accepted the invitation of Paul N1BUG and added many other = informations in the folder already shared,=C2=A0 that is now located at
=


Sorry: for the moments everythings are inside= the folder without any link, but there a doc. file with a summary of the c= ontents.
Sorry also for my English and for the block diagram draw= n by hand (work in progress).

Hope to receive = from interested people questions, corrections and suggestions so the qualit= y of the informations will improve.
Of course,=C2=A0 for vlfrx-to= ols instructions,=C2=A0 i strongly recommend to read the Paul Nicholson abelian.org website (The = Bible !).

I will prepare soon also informations fo= r the EbNaut 'Windows' solution, i.e. all software preparations don= e here when using EbNaut-rx.exe program on Windows's pc.

Paul wrote:
>>>>>=C2=A0=20 I'm semi-down with suspected food poisoning.
Hope your better= now and feel ok.

73, Domenico


On Sun, 9= Dec 2018 at 22:21, N1BUG <paul@n1bug.com> wrote:
Hi Rob, Joe, EbNaut,

I would certainly like to see a write-up on Joe's setup along with
any relevant schematics if available.

Yours too, Rob, even if (maybe) it is more than needed for LF.

Wasn't someone working on a web site devoted to EbNaut at LF? I
can't seem to find that info now but I'm not fully up to speed
today. I'm semi-down with suspected food poisoning.

If not, I will up my earlier offer. If those who have had success
with EbNaut at LF will share information on what they used and how
they did it, I will offer to host it all in one place. Maybe we
could put together a LF EbNaut FAQ.

73,
Paul



On 12/9/18 1:53 PM, Rob Renoud wrote:
> Hi Joe, Paul and Chris,
>
> I=E2=80=99m wondering if a technical description of Joe=E2=80=99s LF E= bNaut setup
> might be useful to you as, I believe, you are both using
> non-linear amplifiers.
>
> My system is built around using the linear Hafler amplifiers and
> also with an eye toward doing VLF transmissions at some point.
> As such, my system uses GPS-based time and frequency references
> throughout and may have a level of complexity that is not
> required at LF.
>
> Thoughts?=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll still prepare a summary of my system for = sharing
> as that may be useful as well.
>
> 73, Rob - K3RWR
>
>> On Dec 9, 2018, at 12:52, jcraig@mun.ca wrote:
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> More snow last night, but I waited for the plough this time! I
>> don't use a linear amp for EbNaut, and a DOCXO is good enough =
>> for LF (but not VLF). It isn't hard to do... its easier than >> the WSPR modes which are confounding to those of us who can't<= br> >> seem to find the microphone jacks on their home brewed
>> transmitters!
>>
>> 73 Joe VO1NA
>>
>>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018, N1BUG wrote:
>>>
>>> I was interested in trying EbNaut as well, but realistically >>> it never seemed practical. I would have to start over will
>>> all new equipment for receiving, a linear amplifier for
>>> transmitting and a GPSDO or two.
>>>
>>> I am progressing in the wrong direction. My HP 3325B has
>>> recently come up dead and basic checks show it to have issues<= br> >>> beyond my ability to repair. I miss that generator every
>>> day!
>>>
>>> Rob, I'm sure there are more relevant / obvious places to = put
>>> the files, but if you don't get a better offer let me know= . I
>>> have web space and would=C2=A0 be happy to host the informatio= n.
>>>
>>> 73, Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12/9/18 11:57 AM, Rob Renoud wrote: Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>> I=E2=80=99ll be glad to document my current EbNaut TX setu= p.=C2=A0 I
>>>> think a series of PDF documents might work best.=C2=A0 Do = you
>>>> have any suggestions regarding where these documents might=
>>>> be posted as I do not have a web site?
>>>>
>>>> Give me a week or so to bring the pieces together.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Rob - K3RWR
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 9, 2018, at 10:10, Chris Wilson
>>>>> <dead.fets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Rob,
>>>>>
>>>>> Myself and I think Paul, N1BUG, both have these HP
>>>>> generators, would you be willing to give a brief write= up
>>>>> about how you are using yours for Ebnaut please and wh= at
>>>>> peripherals you are using under what OS? I am still >>>>> building up courage to give it a go on LF, but I have = to
>>>>> admit I find it all a little daunting still.... Thanks= !
>>>>>
>>>>> Sunday, December 9, 2018, 11:47:22 AM, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jay,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is welcome news that the newly added periodic= CW
>>>>>> ID has no effect on your end.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The HP3325A that I employ as the EbNaut driver mak= es it
>>>>>> easy with separate but parallel phase (EbNaut
>>>>>> signaling) and amplitude (periodic CW ID) inputs.<= br> >>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks & 73, Rob - K3RWR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Best regards, Chris mailto:dead.fets@gmail.com

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