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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hi Jay, This is welcome news that the newly added periodic CW ID has no effect on your end. The HP3325A that I employ as the EbNaut driver makes it easy with separate but parallel phase (EbNaut signaling) and amplitude (periodic CW ID) inputs. 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The HP3325A that I employ as the EbNaut driver makes it easy with separate b= ut parallel phase (EbNaut signaling) and amplitude (periodic CW ID) inputs.=20= Thanks & 73, Rob - K3RWR > On Dec 8, 2018, at 19:47, "jrusgrove@comcast.net" w= rote: >=20 > Rob > =20 > Continued 'perfect' reception with CW ID. > =20 > > =20 > Jay W1VD > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rob Renoud > Reply-To: > To: > Sent: 12/8/2018 4:17:50 PM > Subject: Re: LF: LF and VLF EbNaut > LF EbNaut & Markus, >=20 > There is a definite post sunset opening to Europe from the NA East Coast. >=20 > I have modified my station to overlay a 10 minute CW ID (off-on CW modulat= ion at 20 wpm) on the EbNaut message stream. Will be interested to see what= effect it has on decodes. Am still transmitting a 5 character text message= as before. >=20 > Tnx es 73, > Rob - K3RWR >=20 >> On Dec 8, 2018, at 10:57, Markus Vester wrote: >>=20 >> Here are the Bavarian decodes from last night's sesseion. Eb/N0 values de= rived from symbol error rate and carrier power were sometimes rather inconsi= stent so both are mentioned here. As expected, the quiet DL0AO site is gener= ally a few dB better than mine, decoding VO1NA consistently in every single s= lot. >>=20 >> I was amazed by the early start from Canada. At this time of the year, su= ch northerly paths are apparently close enough to darkness almost around the= clock. My 100 kHz monitor shows Loran signals from East China rolling in al= ready around midday here. >>=20 >> EbNaut Decodes 2018-12-07/08 >>=20 >> VO1NA 137477 Hz: >> DF6NM DL0AO >> start sym car sym car >> 17:00 3.3 3.1 5.8 5.2 MARCONI >> 18:00 8.6 9.5 12.3 13.3 >> 19:00 5.7 7.4 6.7 7.1 >> 20:00 4.0 1.9 12.0 7.8 >> 21:00 2.3 5.0 11.8 7.3 >> 22:00 7.1 7.9 13.4 12.2 >> 23:00 10.7 10.8 10.5 8.9 >> 00:00 9.5 8.4 12.1 4.3 >> 01:00 9.8 8.5 11.9 8.2 ******* >> 02:00 2.4 1.9 7.2 6.1 -VO1NA- >> 03:00 7.3 4.1 4.2 -1.3 >> 04:00 1.7 3.0 5.5 2.9 >> 05:00 8.5 5.4 8.3 4.2 >> 06:00 --- 10.0 8.9=20 >> 07:00 5.7 5.8 6.6 7.2 >> 08:00 --- 3.1 2.3 (+0.2 mHz) >>=20 >> K3RWR 137479 Hz: >> DF6NM DL0AO >> start sym car sym car >> 20:00 --- --- K3RWR >> 20:30 --- --- =20 >> 21:00 2.3 1.5 --- >> 21:30 --- --- =20 >> 22:00 --- 2.0 -1.8=20 >> 22:30 --- --- =20 >> 23:00 --- 4.6 0.1 =20 >> 23:30 6.4 3.1 11.3 8.2 >> 00:00 5.0 2.7 3.9 -3.5 >> 00:30 5.4 4.8 --- >> 01:00 --- --- >> 01:30 --- --- >> 02:00 5.1 3.9 3.6 3.1 >> 02:30 --- 1.2 -0.8 >> 03:00 --- --- >> 03:30 --- --- >> 04:00 2.8 0.4 --- >> 04:30 0.9 -1.3 5.5 1.5 >> 05:00 6.4 1.9 4.0 -1.6 >> 05:30 4.0 0.4 5.9 -0.5 >> 06:00 -1.6 -1.7 1.2 -0.1 >> 06:30 --- 4.4 0.1 >> 07:00 --- ---=20 >> 07:30 --- 1.4 1.8 >> 08:00 --- 0.4 0.2 >>=20 >> Best 73, >> Markus >>=20 --Apple-Mail-9EDAFF05-9545-4457-A09F-E8D06762AD94 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi J= ay,

This is welcome news th= at the newly added periodic CW ID has no effect on your end.

The HP3325A that I employ as the EbNaut dri= ver makes it easy with separate but parallel phase (EbNaut signaling) and am= plitude (periodic CW ID) inputs. 

Thanks & 73,
Rob - K3RWR


Rob
 
Continued 'perfect' reception with CW ID.
 
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Jay W1VD
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 12/8/2018 4:17:50 PM
Subject: Re: LF: LF and VLF EbNaut
LF EbNaut & Markus,

There is a definite post sunset opening to Europe from the N= A East Coast.

I have modified my station to overlay a 10 minute CW ID (of= f-on CW modulation at 20 wpm) on the EbNaut message stream.  Will be in= terested to see what effect it has on decodes.  Am still transmitting a= 5 character text message as before.

Tnx es 73,
Rob - K3RWR

On Dec 8, 2018, at 10:57, Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com> wrote:

Here are the Bavarian decodes from last night's sesseion. Eb/N0 v= alues derived from symbol error rate and carrier power were sometimes r= ather inconsistent so both are mentioned here. As expected, the quiet DL0AO s= ite is generally a few dB better than mine, decoding VO1NA consistently in e= very single slot.

I was amazed by the early start from Canada. A= t this time of the year, such northerly paths are apparently close enou= gh to darkness almost around the clock. My 100 kHz monitor sh= ows Loran signals from East China rolling in already around midday here= .

EbNaut Deco= des 2018-12-07/08

VO1NA 137477 Hz:
        DF6NM &nb= sp;     DL0AO
start  sym  car    sym = ; car
17:0= 0  3.3  3.1    5.8  5.2  MARCONI18:00  8.6&nb= sp; 9.5   12.3 13.3
19:00  5.7  7.4    6.7  7.1=
20:00&nbs= p; 4.0  1.9   12.0  7.8
21:00  2.3  5.0   11.8=   7.3
22:00  7.1  7.9   13.4 12.2
23:00 10.7 10.8   10.5 = ; 8.9
00:0= 0  9.5  8.4   12.1  4.3
01:00  9.8  8.5  = 11.9  8.2  *******
02:00  2.4  1.9    7.2  6.1=   -VO1NA-
03:00  7.3  4.1    4.2 -1.3
04:00  1.7  3.0&nb= sp;   5.5  2.9
05:00  8.5  5.4    8.3  4.2=
06:00&nbs= p;    ---     10.0  8.9
<= span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: courier new, courier, mono">07:00  5.7 = 5.8    6.6  7.2
08:00     ---  &nbs= p;   3.1  2.3 (+0.2 mHz)

K3RW= R 137479 Hz:
        DF6NM    &= nbsp;  DL0AO
start  sym  car    sym  car
= 20:00  &nb= sp;  ---         ---  = ;  K3RWR
20:30     ---      &nb= sp;  --- 
21:00  2.3  1.5       ---=
21:30&nbs= p;    ---         ---=  
22= :00     ---      2.0 -1.8
22:30 &nb= sp;   ---         --- = ;
23:00&n= bsp;    ---      4.6  0.1 =
23:30&nb= sp; 6.4  3.1   11.3  8.2
00:00  5.0  2.7   = ; 3.9 -3.5
00:30  5.4  4.8       ---01:00  &n= bsp;  ---         ---01:30  &n= bsp;  ---         ---02:00  5.1&nbs= p; 3.9    3.6  3.1
02:30     ---  &n= bsp;   1.2 -0.8
03:00     ---    &nb= sp;    ---
03:30     ---    &nb= sp;    ---
04:00  2.8  0.4      = ; ---
04:3= 0  0.9 -1.3    5.5  1.5
05:00  6.4  1.9  =   4.0 -1.6
05:30  4.0  0.4    5.9 -0.5
06:00 -1.6 -1.7  &= nbsp; 1.2 -0.1
06:30     ---      4.4&nbs= p; 0.1
07:= 00     ---       &nbs= p; ---
07= :30     ---      1.4  1.8<= /span>
08:00 = ;    ---      0.4  0.2
Best 73,
Markus

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