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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Luis, I think this is fake spots. VG1XTB in Opera also. maybe this is one and the same person 73! Alex R7NT 136.73.ru AWLF *136.73.ru/h_aw/ * ср, 7 нояб. 2018 г. в 11:11, VIGILANT Luis Fernández : [...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2607:f8b0:4864:20:0:0:0:d32 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (r7nt.73[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (r7nt.73[at]gmail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 222431427b0fb799ed82c2c5d7851cd5 Subject: Re: LF: LF WSPR spots J1LPB in Hamilton, Canada Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000be1308057a0eef66" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --000000000000be1308057a0eef66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Luis, I think this is fake spots. VG1XTB in Opera also. maybe this is one and the same person 73! Alex R7NT 136.73.ru AWLF *136.73.ru/h_aw/ * =D1=81=D1=80, 7 =D0=BD=D0=BE=D1=8F=D0=B1. 2018 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 11:11, VIGILA= NT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez : > Hi LF > > Last night I got a single decode from J1LPB at -29dB > But no decodes from Paul, N1BUG > > Considering all the previous comments I would say it is a "fake" spot. Bu= t > then looked at stations reported by J1LPB > during last night and this is quite consistent for a station in FN03, > reporting just US stations closer than 3000km > And reporting N1BUG and K3MF (single spot) at -9dB > > 2018-11-07 03:20 EA5DOM 0.137516 -29 0 > IM98xn 1 J1LPB FN03bh 6463 303 1 > 2018-11-07 02:04 WH2XXP 0.137507 -23 0 > DM33 5 J1LPB FN03bh 3066 59 12 > 2018-11-07 00:12 WH2XND 0.137527 -25 0 > DM33xt 20 J1LPB FN03bh 2967 60 14 > 2018-11-07 00:38 N1BUG 0.137437 -9 0 FN55mf > 1 J1LPB FN03bh 894 260 13 > 2018-11-07 02:08 K3MF 0.137570 -9 0 > FM19sr 1 J1LPB FN03bh 489 326 1 > > Maybe Jason got the message and is no longer bull***ting the WSPR spots ? > ;-) > > 73 de Luis > EA5DOM > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de Rik Strobbe > Enviado el: viernes, 26 de octubre de 2018 11:14 > Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Asunto: Re: LF: LF WSPR spots J1LPB in Hamilton, Canada > > Reporting to wsprnet.org via a "public" WEB SDR such as Twente seems > rather confusing and even meaningless to me. > Reporting via a "private" WEB SDR might be useful (in particular if it is > an area without other reporters), but I would recommend to use a meaningf= ul > indication such as WEBSDR-HI (for a WEB SDR in the Domenican Republic) or > SWL-FN55XX (if you are not licenced and located in FN55XX) rather than a > fake callsign. > > The callsign rules decribed by Jason only apply for transmitting WSPR, fo= r > reporting wsprnet.org accepts (almost) anything. > Just at this very moment SWLKQ40LS, KPH742, DL0091SWL, SWL-CM98DN, > SWLEM64, ZL3003SWL, F61695 and SWUKSDR/2 are reporting. > So no need to use "fake callsigns". > BTW: the J1 series is currently not allocated by ITU, but J2 (Djibouti) > and J3 (Grenada) are. > > 73, Rik ON7YD -OR7T > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org < > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> namens VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez < > luis@vigilant.es> > Verzonden: vrijdag 26 oktober 2018 10:13 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: RE: LF: LF WSPR spots J1LPB in Hamilton, Canada > > Hi LF > > I have exchanged a couple of email with Jason (J1BPL keeper). For the > reports he provide in HF it is clear he is mixing few SDRs around the > world. He reports to keep own SDRs in Ontario and Domenican Republic. But > the reports from EU stations may be from Twente or any other. He explains > the reson of using that callsign > > Anyway, not fair game and confusing the whole system as propagation > monitor tool After all WSPR have also its ghost .... not only Opera !! ;-= ) > > 73 de Luis > EA5DOM > > Message from Jason follows : > > J1LPB was used because the it conforms to the WSPR protocol. > > 1) One or two characters consisting of A-Z or 0-9 > 2) One character which must be a number, 0-9 > 3) Two or three characters which must be A-Z These restrictions are place= d > on the callsign in order to satisfy the requirements of the WSPR and Oper= a > encoding algorithms. > > J1LPB is used at my primary QTH, J2 and J3LPB are in separate locations, > one in the Dominican Republic (J2) and one in Parry Sound, Ontario. Each > station is TX capable but right now RX only and remotely controlled by me > from my home until I get to each location. At that point I can start > running TX on the ISM bands "flea power" using WSPR. > J for Jason, number for station, LPB for Low power beacon > > I agree SWL would suffice for simple reporting but it keeps things simple= r > for me to know which station and the fact that it is unique, that J1 is n= ot > defined as a prefix in the world that I know of (Japan, you might think b= ut > I have never see a J1 call from there, nor J2 or J3) > > > > --000000000000be1308057a0eef66 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Luis,
I think this is fake spots.=C2=A0VG1XTB in Opera also. maybe=C2=A0this is one and the same person

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73! Alex R7NT =C2=A0136.73.ru=C2=A0 =C2=A0 AWLF 136.73.ru/h_aw/
<= /div>


=D1=81=D1=80, 7 =D0=BD=D0=BE=D1=8F=D0=B1. 2018 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 11:11, = VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez <luis@v= igilant.es>:
Hi LF

Last night I got a single decode from J1LPB at -29dB
But no decodes from Paul, N1BUG

Considering all the previous comments I would say it is a "fake" = spot. But then looked at stations reported by J1LPB
during last night and this is quite consistent for a station in FN03, repor= ting just US stations closer than 3000km
And reporting N1BUG and K3MF (single spot) at -9dB

=C2=A02018-11-07 03:20=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 EA5DOM=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0.137516=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -29=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IM98xn=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0J1LPB=C2=A0 =C2=A0FN03bh=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 6463=C2=A0 =C2=A0 303=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01
=C2=A02018-11-07 02:04=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 WH2XXP=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0.137507=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -23=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0DM33=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A05=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 J1LPB=C2=A0 =C2=A0FN03bh=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3066=C2=A0 =C2=A0 59=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 12
=C2=A02018-11-07 00:12=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 WH2XND=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0.137527=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -25=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0DM33xt=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 20= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 J1LPB=C2=A0 =C2=A0FN03bh=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 2967=C2=A0 =C2=A0 60=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 14
=C2=A02018-11-07 00:38=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 N1BUG=C2=A0 =C2=A00.13743= 7=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -9=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0FN55mf=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= J1LPB=C2=A0 =C2=A0FN03bh=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 894=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0260=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A013
=C2=A02018-11-07 02:08=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 K3MF=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0.137570=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -9=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0FM19sr=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= 1=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0J1LPB=C2=A0 =C2=A0FN03bh=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 489=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0326=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01

Maybe Jason got the message and is no longer bull***ting the WSPR spots ?= =C2=A0 ;-)

73 de Luis
EA5DOM

-----Mensaje original-----
De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org] En nombre de Rik Strobbe
Enviado el: viernes, 26 de octubre de 2018 11:14
Para: rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Asunto: Re: LF: LF WSPR spots J1LPB in Hamilton, Canada

Reporting to wsprnet.org via a "public" WEB SDR such as Twente seems= rather confusing and even meaningless to me.
Reporting via a "private" WEB SDR might be useful (in particular = if it is an area without other reporters), but I would recommend to use a m= eaningful indication such as WEBSDR-HI (for a WEB SDR in the Domenican Repu= blic) or SWL-FN55XX (if you are not licenced and located in FN55XX) rather = than a fake callsign.

The callsign rules decribed by Jason only apply for transmitting WSPR, for = reporting wsprnet.org accepts (almost) anything.
Just at this very moment SWLKQ40LS, KPH742, DL0091SWL, SWL-CM98DN, SWLEM64,= ZL3003SWL, F61695 and SWUKSDR/2 are reporting.
So no need to use "fake callsigns".
BTW: the J1 series is currently not allocated by ITU, but J2 (Djibouti) and= J3 (Grenada) are.

73, Rik=C2=A0 ON7YD -OR7T
________________________________________
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g> namens VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez <luis@vigilant.es>
Verzonden: vrijdag 26 oktober 2018 10:13
Aan: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: RE: LF: LF WSPR spots J1LPB in Hamilton, Canada

Hi LF

I have exchanged a couple of email with Jason (J1BPL keeper). For the repor= ts he provide in HF it is clear he is mixing few SDRs around the world. He = reports to keep own SDRs in Ontario and Domenican Republic. But the reports= from EU stations may be from Twente or any other. He explains the reson of= using that callsign

Anyway, not fair game and confusing the whole system as propagation monitor= tool After all WSPR have also its ghost .... not only Opera !! ;-)

73 de Luis
EA5DOM

Message from Jason follows :

J1LPB was used because the it conforms to the WSPR protocol.

1) One or two characters consisting of A-Z or 0-9
2) One character which must be a number, 0-9
3) Two or three characters which must be A-Z These restrictions are placed = on the callsign in order to satisfy the requirements of the WSPR and Opera = encoding algorithms.

J1LPB is used at my primary QTH, J2 and J3LPB are in separate locations, on= e in the Dominican Republic (J2) and one in Parry Sound, Ontario. Each stat= ion is TX capable but right now RX only and remotely controlled by me from = my home until I get to each location. At that point I can start running TX = on the ISM bands "flea power" using WSPR.
J for Jason, number for station, LPB for Low power beacon

I agree SWL would suffice for simple reporting but it keeps things simpler = for me to know which station and the fact that it is unique, that J1 is not= defined as a prefix in the world that I know of (Japan, you might think bu= t I have never see a J1 call from there, nor J2 or J3)



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