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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hi LF, i have tested this arrangement for two nights and the program WSPR-X seems stable and i have obtained many decodes. Thanks to all transmitting stations. By the way, seems that upload of spots fails. I suggest to remove the tick "upload spot" on the program WSPR-X and use an alternative method to upload, based on the attached batch file that works here [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2607:f8b0:4864:20:0:0:0:234 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (iz7slz.domenico[at]gmail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: ea6d85a53e31aad43b971253a5c6867b Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="000000000000b739fc057ada6526" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --000000000000b739fc057ada6526 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b739f8057ada6524" --000000000000b739f8057ada6524 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF, i have tested this arrangement for two nights and the program WSPR-X seems stable and i have obtained many decodes. Thanks to all transmitting stations. By the way, seems that upload of spots fails. I suggest to remove the tick "upload spot" on the program WSPR-X and use an alternative method to upload, based on the attached batch file that works here. First of all you have to rename the file from .txt to .bat and change inside your call sign and grid. This batch file uses two programs ('curl' -for Windows- and 'sleep' that you have to download) https://curl.haxx.se/download.html http://df6nm.bplaced.net/VLF/fec_tests/sleep.zip I have installed 'curl' in the directory C:\CURL where i have also copied sleep.exe Just launch the file batch after the first decode action of the program WSPR-X and leave it in background. 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 19:59, Domenico IZ7SLZ wrote: > Hi LF, > > I want suggest a further way to try WSPR-15 with latest improvement of th= e > WSJT-X vers. 2.0.0. > > WSJT-X uses the program wsprd.exe to decode wspr-2. This program has also > wspr-15 capability. So i have taken wsprd.exe dated 10/11/2018 included i= n > WSJT-X bin folder and putted in the WSPR-X v0.9r3058 directory that i ho= ld > in my radio pc since years. > > Some dll's need also to be copied in the same way (i did this in the past= , > so i'm not sure which files are necessary, but any error's message explai= ns > which library is necessary !) > > So the program WSPR-X is now running with a new version of wsprd.exe and > seems stable. I can operate WSPR-15. > > By the way, my radio PC is an old PC with WinXp, so i don't know if this > old program (WSPR-X) should work on 64 bit pc. > Also i don't know if this program is longer available in the net. > > Maybe this advice can be useful for operators working with similar > conditions of mine. > 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ > > > > > > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 18:00, Markus Vester wrote: > >> Hi Stefan, >> >> here is an attempt for a wspr-15 to wspr-2 receive converter which shoul= d >> also work under 64-bit Windows versions. Operation is similar to the old >> wspr-8 and -32 utilities >> http://df6nm.bplaced.net/wspr/slowWSPR.zip >> which also contains a description worth reading. The "waitraster" progra= m >> has been replaced by a DOS loop based on the %time% variable. >> >> To run the attached script, you will need to rename it from .txt to .bat= . >> Then download DL4YHF's sound utilities from >> http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/soundutl/sndutl_e.zip >> and the little sleep utility >> http://df6nm.bplaced.net/VLF/fec_tests/sleep.zip >> >> The speeded-up audio should be routed from sndoutpt to WSJT-X using a >> virtual audio cable, e.g. VAC or VB-Cable from Vincent Burel >> https://www.vb-audio.com/Cable/ >> This needs to be selected as the default audio output device, as well as >> the WSJT-X input device. >> >> Note that >> - reported frequencies will be translated from 137600-137625 to >> 137400-137600 Hz, >> - reported timestamps will be 15 or 16 minutes late, >> - reported SNR will be 9 dB too good. >> >> I have to admit that the script hasn't been tested yet, so there is no >> guarantee that it will work at all. If I was to do this again, I'd proba= bly >> not go down the speeded-up audio route, but rather make a script which >> calls wsprd.exe directly. >> >> Good luck, >> Markus (DF6NM) >> >> >> >> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- >> Von: DK7FC >> An: rsgb_lf_group >> Verschickt: Do, 15. Nov. 2018 11:26 >> Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 >> >> Hi Markus, >> >> Congrats to last nights successes! >> >> Well, since WSPR-15 is certainly the better mode for LF DX, and the WSPR >> team is not interested in LF, will you find the motivation to release an >> updated version of your utilities that enable 64-bit users to receive >> WSPR-15 using the latest WSPR-2 decoder? >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> >> >> Am 15.11.2018 00:49, schrieb Markus Vester: >> >> > maybe they don't work on 64 bit machines? >> >> yes that is the problem. These "tools" are just a simple DOS script. All >> the real work is done by the audio utilities from Wolfgang DL4YHF, which >> are running fine as ever. But my little "waitraster.exe" utility, which = did >> nothing but hold the script until the beginning of a desired minute, wil= l >> no longer work under Win-64. >> >> Best 73, >> Markus >> >> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- >> Von: N1BUG >> An: rsgb_lf_group >> >> Verschickt: Mi, 14. Nov. 2018 23:03 >> Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 >> >> I am interested in this too, but if I recall there was a reason I >> didn't install those tools. I can't remember now... maybe they don't >> work on 64 bit machines? If that was it, I am out of luck. >> >> My WSPR2/WSPR15 transmitting tests last season showed that WSPR15 >> was much better than WSPR2... even though most WSPR2 listeners were >> using the new improved decoder and WSPR15 listeners were using the >> old WSPR-X. >> >> 73, >> Paul >> >> >> On 11/14/18 4:09 PM, jrusgrove@comcast.net wrote: >> > Stefan >> > >> > Vague memories ... the tools, if they still exist, would be on an old >> computer that's not so easy to >> > resurrect. >> > >> > Yes, it seems the current WSPR2 decoder is much improved. Think your >> time might be better spent on >> > that mode since there are already many listeners. It would be >> interesting to see how far west into >> > the US you could be decoded on a good night. Just my opinion ;~) . >> > >> > Jay W1VD >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "DK7FC" >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:51 PM >> > Subject: LF: WSPR-15 >> > >> > >> >> Jay, LF, >> >> >> >> I already have the next idea, maybe for tomorrow? ;-) >> >> >> >> You remember the early days before K1JT released WSPR-15. >> >> Markus developed the slow-WSPR tools and we (you, as the DX RX statio= n >> ) tried WSPR-8 and even >> >> WSPR-30 successfully. >> >> >> >> Using Markus tools, the slowly transmitted WSPR (with accurate FSK >> spacing) was accelerated >> >> replayed in the next time slot and then fed to the normal WSPR-2 >> decoder, beeing connected to the >> >> database. >> >> >> >> Meanwhile the WSPR-2 decoder performance seems to have much improved. >> So, it may be interesting to >> >> try the 'old' tool of Markus together with the latest WSPR-2 decoder. >> >> >> >> What do you think? Do you still have the config files and so on? >> >> >> >> Worth a try? >> >> >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> >> >> PS: 137.620 kHz is right in the WSPR-15 defined slot. I think this is >> why my coil is resonant >> >> there ;-) >> >> --000000000000b739f8057ada6524 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi LF,
i have tested this arrangement for two nights and the program = WSPR-X seems stable and i have obtained many decodes. Thanks to all transmi= tting stations.

By the way, seems that upload of s= pots fails. I suggest to remove the tick "upload spot" on the pro= gram WSPR-X and use an alternative method to upload,=C2=A0 based on the att= ached batch file that works here.

First of all you= have to rename the file from=C2=A0 .txt=C2=A0 to .bat=C2=A0 and change ins= ide your call sign and grid.

This batch file uses = two programs ('curl' -for Windows- and 'sleep' that you hav= e to download)

https://curl.haxx.se/download.html


I have installed 'curl' in the directory C:\= CURL where i have also copied sleep.exe

Just launc= h the file batch after the first decode action of the program WSPR-X and le= ave it in background.


73, Domenico = IZ7SLZ






On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 19:59, Domenico IZ7SLZ <iz7slz.domenico@gmail.com> wrote:


WSJT-X uses the program wsprd.exe to decode wspr-2. This program has = also wspr-15 capability. So i have taken wsprd.exe dated 10/11/2018 include= d in WSJT-X bin folder and putted in the=C2=A0 WSPR-X v0.9r3058 directory t= hat i hold in my radio pc since years.

Some dll= 9;s need also to be copied in the same way (i did this in the past, so i= 9;m not sure which files are necessary, but any error's message explain= s which library is necessary !)

So the program WSP= R-X is now running with a new version of wsprd.exe and seems stable. I can = operate WSPR-15.

By the way, my radio PC is an= old PC with WinXp,=C2=A0 so i don't know if this old program (WSPR-X) = should work on 64 bit pc.
Also i don't know if this prog= ram is longer available in the net.

Maybe this adv= ice can be useful for operators working with similar conditions of mine.
73, Domenico IZ7SLZ





=
<= div style=3D"color:black;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:1= 0pt">
Hi Stefan,

here is an attempt for a wspr-15 to wspr-2 receive converter which should= also work under 64-bit Windows versions. Operation is similar to the old w= spr-8 and -32 utilities
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/wspr/slowW= SPR.zip
which also contains a description worth readi= ng. The "waitraster" program has been replaced by a DOS loop base= d on the %time% variable.

To run the attached= script, you will need to rename it from .txt to .bat. Then download DL4YHF= 's sound utilities from
http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/= soundutl/sndutl_e.zip
and the little sleep utilityhttp://df6nm.bplaced.net/VLF/fec_tests/sleep.zip

The speeded-up audio should be routed from sndo= utpt to WSJT-X using a virtual audio cable, e.g. VAC or VB-Cable from Vince= nt Burel
https://www.vb-audio.com/Cable/
This n= eeds to be selected as the default audio output device, as well as the WSJT= -X input device.

Note that
- reported frequencies will be translated from 137600-137625 to 137400-137= 600 Hz,
- reported timestamps will be 15 or 16 minutes la= te,
- reported SNR will be 9 dB too good.

I have to admit that the script hasn't been tested yet, = so there is no guarantee that it will work at all. If I was to do this agai= n, I'd probably not go down the speeded-up audio route, but rather make= a script which calls wsprd.exe directly.

Goo= d luck,
Markus (DF6NM)



-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung= -----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An= : rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschic= kt: Do, 15. Nov. 2018 11:26
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15<= br clear=3D"none">
Hi Markus,

Congrats to last nights successes!

Well, since WSPR-15 is certainly the better mode for LF DX, and the WSPR team is not interested in LF, will you find the motivation to release an updated version of your utilities that enable 64-bit users to receive WSPR-15 using the latest WSPR-2 decoder?

73, Stefan



Am 15.11.2018 00:49, schrieb Markus Vester:
> maybe they don't work on 64 bit machines?

yes that is the problem. These "tools" are just a simple DOS scri= pt. All the real work is done=C2=A0by the audio utilities from Wolfgang DL4YHF, which are running fine as ever.=C2=A0But=C2=A0my little "waitraster.ex= e"=C2=A0utility, which did nothing but hold the script until=C2=A0the beginning of a desired minute,=C2=A0will no longer work under Win-64.

Best 73,
Markus

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: N1BUG <paul@n1bug.com>=
An: rsgb_lf_group &= lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mi, 14. Nov. 2018 23:03
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15

I am interested in this too, but if I recall there was a reason I
didn't install those tools. I can't remember now... maybe they don&= #39;t
work on 64 bit machines? If that was it, I am out of luck.

My WSPR2/WSPR15 transmitting tests last season showed that WSPR15
was much better than WSPR2... even though most WSPR2 listeners were
using the new improved decoder and WSPR15 listeners were using the
old WSPR-X.

73,
Paul


On 11/14/18 4:09 PM, jrusgrove@comcast.net wrote:
> Stefan
>
> Vague memories ... the tools, if they still exist, would be on an old computer that's not so easy to
> resurrect.
>
> Yes, it seems the current WSPR2 decoder is much improved. Think your time might be better spent on
> that mode since there are already many listeners. It would be interesting to see how far west into
> the US you could be decoded on a good night. Just my opinion ;~) .
>
> Jay W1VD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DK7FC" <selberdenken@posteo.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:51 PM
> Subject: LF: WSPR-15
>
>
>> Jay, LF,
>>
>> I already have the next idea, maybe for tomorrow? ;-)
>>
>> You remember the early days before K1JT released WSPR-15.
>> Markus developed the slow-WSPR tools and we (you, as the DX RX station ) tried WSPR-8 and even
>> WSPR-30 successfully.
>>
>> Using Markus tools, the slowly transmitted WSPR (with accurate FSK spacing) was accelerated
>> replayed in the next time slot and then fed to the normal WSPR-2 decoder, beeing connected to the
>> database.
>>
>> Meanwhile the WSPR-2 decoder performance seems to have much improved. So, it may be interesting to
>> try the 'old' tool of Markus together with the latest WSPR= -2 decoder.
>>
>> What do you think? Do you still have the config files and so on?
>>
>> Worth a try?
>>
>> 73, Stefan
>>
>> PS: 137.620 kHz is right in the WSPR-15 defined slot. I think this is why my coil is resonant
>> there ;-)

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