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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: I'm having a bit more success now. But there are still problems with soundcard interfacing. I'm using the internal soundcard in the FDM-DUO and it now seems to have started working in that I can, most [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2a00:1450:4864:20:0:0:0:52c listed in] [list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (andy.g4jnt[at]gmail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: aec4e30ea8fb35bae216657e40480915 Subject: Re: LF: SlowJT9 update (v0.9.10) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ba15c2057b1bdb0e" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --000000000000ba15c2057b1bdb0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm having a bit more success now. But there are still problems with soundcard interfacing. I'm using the internal soundcard in the FDM-DUO and it now seems to have started working in that I can, most of the time generate audio via that using the tune button. It also works when sending messages. Much of teh time However, if I try to change the soundcard to the PC's internal one, sometimes it crashes out of the programme with an error message, sometems accepts it. If it accepts it sometimes I get a tone out using the tune button, sometimes not. Changing back to the FDM-DUOs S/Card often does work, but sometimes causes a crash and error message. When a soundcard change is accepted, I find to get it to work I often have to exit the programme then start it again. Andy www.g4jnt.com On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 16:54, Andy Talbot wrote: > I'm getting confused as to where we are now ... > > My messages are not generating any audio either, as well as the tune not > doing so. EXCEPT. just once only, the tune DID generate a tone. > But then I couldn't get it to work again > I will keep playing > > Still on ver 0.9.10 > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 15:13, Rik Strobbe wrote= : > >> =E2=80=8BHello Andy, all, >> >> >> I just tested and the baudrate change somehow effected the tuning, it is >> not working properly. >> >> But message transmissions are working fine, so apart from tuning this >> version can be used. >> >> I will have a look at it. >> >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org < >> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> namens Andy Talbot < >> andy.g4jnt@gmail.com> >> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 20 november 2018 15:58 >> *Aan:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *CC:* rsgb_lf_group >> *Onderwerp:* Re: LF: SlowJT9 update (v0.9.10) >> >> There is also another problem which 'could' be connected to the no audio= , >> somehow. >> >> I unplugged the USB soundcard, then relaunched SlowJT9. It had >> previously been directed to the now unplugged USB S/Card but instead of >> working out what to do and changing to the default (internal) S/C, it th= rew >> up an access violation message and I had to quit. This happened each >> time I tried to launch. The only solution was to plug the USB card back >> in, launch the programme and change the output soundcard to the internal >> one. >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> >> >> On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 14:47, Andy Talbot wrote: >> >>> Nope, Rik. I had thought of that and it's set to maximum >>> >>> Just tested on my Desktop, and exactly the same problem. No audio from >>> the default speakers. So that's two PCs of different makes . Win vers= ions >>> with teh same problem >>> >>> I also tried an external USB soundcard and directed the audio out to >>> that. Also so sound (RH slider to max) >>> >>> I am getting some irregular clicks occasionally, on the USB soundcard, >>> and that also happened on the laptop once or twice >>> >>> >>> Andy >>> www.g4jnt.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 14:34, Rik Strobbe >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Andy, >>>> >>>> >>>> the "power level" slider (at the right) is initially set to zero. Mayb= e >>>> that is the reason for no audio. >>>> >>>> I agree that this is confusing, but I have done this for safety reason= s >>>> (I don't want have any transmitter "blown" because of a too high audio >>>> level). >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org < >>>> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> namens Andy Talbot < >>>> andy.g4jnt@gmail.com> >>>> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 20 november 2018 15:24 >>>> *Aan:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> *CC:* rsgb_lf_group >>>> *Onderwerp:* Re: LF: SlowJT9 update (v0.9.10) >>>> >>>> Rik >>>> >>>> I just tried installing this 0.9.10 version on my Dell Inspiron lapto= p >>>> Win-10. I set the soundcard correctly to "Speakers / Headphones" and= Tx >>>> tone to 1200Hz , hit enable Tx then the 'Tune' button. It shows as >>>> transmitting but there's no audio tone. WSJT-X and other datacomms >>>> packages are working fine, both before and after trying >>>> >>>> Normally don't get any issues like this with the default (the only) >>>> soundcard present. >>>> >>>> I'll test on my other two PCs, an HP Desktop with Win 7 and HP Notebo= ok >>>> >>>> On a different matter, I'll be writing this up in the next RadCom >>>> "Data" column (February's) Could you summarise the baud rates and >>>> frequency shifts finally settled. There has been so much discussion = and >>>> changes I lost track and haven't followed the latest version >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> www.g4jnt.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 13:50, Rik Strobbe >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just uploaded a now beta-release of SlowJT9 (v0.9.10). >>>>> >>>>> The changes are >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - JT9-2 and JT9-5 parameters changed to the original ones. The >>>>> slightly slower baudrates make better advance of the transmission cyc= le. In >>>>> theory this should improve S/N by 0.46 dB for JT9-2 and 0.74 dB for J= T9-5. >>>>> *Be aware that due to the baudrate changes there is NO BACKWARD >>>>> COMPATIBILITY for JT9-2 and JT9-5. * >>>>> *In other words: JT9-2 and JT9-5 send with v0.9.10 cannot be decoded >>>>> with prior versions (v0.9.00 - v0.9.03) and vice versa.* >>>>> >>>>> The JT9-1 mode however is still the same and can be sent / received >>>>> with all versions (and is WSJT-X compatible). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - JT9-10 mode (10 minute cycle) added, for the fearless. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I briefly tested v0.9.10 for in JT9-2 mode and it seems to decode (at >>>>> least) at the same level as for the previous versions. But to determi= ne a >>>>> difference of 0.4dB, more extensive tests are needed. >>>>> >>>>> *The sole purpose of this version is to determine how JT9-2, and >>>>> eventually JT9-5, behave in relation to the previous versions, so we = can >>>>> decide wether SlowJT9 will proceed with the original parameters (anno >>>>> 2013) that imply an odd baudrate ratio between the JT9 submodes or my >>>>> previous parameters, with "round number" ratios. * >>>>> >>>>> *Therefore all test reports, remarks, suggestions and opinions are >>>>> most welcome.* >>>>> >>>>> For the same reason no other changes are applied. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Whoever is interested can download the SlowJT9 installation file at >>>>> http://472khz.org/SlowJT9/SlowJT9_setup.exe. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For now only a Windows version of SlowJT9 is available. But as the >>>>> used IDE has cross platform facilities it should be possible to suppo= rt >>>>> other operating systems as well in the future. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --000000000000ba15c2057b1bdb0e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm having a bit more success now.=C2=A0 =C2= =A0But there are still problems with soundcard interfacing.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#= 39;m using the internal soundcard in the FDM-DUO and it now seems to have s= tarted working in that I can, most=C2=A0 of the time generate audio via tha= t using the tune button.=C2=A0 It also works when sending messages.=C2=A0 = =C2=A0Much of teh time

However, if I try= to change the soundcard to the PC's internal one, sometimes it crashes= out of the programme with an error message, sometems accepts it.=C2=A0 =C2= =A0If it accepts it sometimes I get a tone out using the tune button, somet= imes not.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Changing back to the FDM-DUOs S/Card often doe= s work, but sometimes causes a crash and error message.

=
When a soundcard change is accepted, I find to get it to wo= rk I often have to exit the programme then start it again.
=



On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 16:54, Andy Talbo= t <andy.g4jnt@gmail.com> = wrote:
= I'm getting confused as to where we are now ...

My messages are not generating any audio either, as well as the= tune not doing so.=C2=A0 EXCEPT. just once only, the tune DID generate a t= one.=C2=A0 =C2=A0
But then I couldn't get it to work aga= in
I will keep playing

= Still on=C2=A0 ver 0.9.10

Andy
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On Tue, 20 N= ov 2018 at 15:13, Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@kuleuven.be> wrote:

=E2=80=8BHello Andy, all,


I just tested and the baudrate change somehow effected the tuning, it is= not working properly.

But message transmissions are working fine, so apart from tuning this ve= rsion can be used.

I will have a look at it.


73, Rik=C2=A0 ON7YD - OR7T


Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> namens Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@gmail.com>
Verzonden: dinsdag 20 november 2018 15:58
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
CC: rsgb_lf_group
Onderwerp: Re: LF: SlowJT9 update (v0.9.10)
=C2=A0
There is also another problem which 'could' be connected to the no = audio, somehow.

I unplugged the USB soundcard, then relaunched SlowJT9.=C2=A0 =C2=A0It had = previously been directed to the now unplugged USB S/Card but instead of wor= king out what to do and changing to the default (internal) S/C, it threw up= an access violation message and I had to quit.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This happened each time I tried to launch.=C2=A0 The on= ly solution was to plug the USB card back in, launch the programme and chan= ge the output soundcard to the internal one.



On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 14:47, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@gmail.com> = wrote:
Nope, Rik.=C2= =A0 I had thought=C2=A0 of that and it's set to maximum

Just tested on= my Desktop, and exactly the same problem.=C2=A0 No audio from the default = speakers.=C2=A0 =C2=A0So that's two PCs of different makes . Win versio= ns with teh same problem

I also tried a= n external USB soundcard and directed the audio out to that.=C2=A0 Also so = sound (RH slider to max)=C2=A0

I am getting s= ome irregular clicks occasionally, on the USB soundcard, and that also happ= ened on the laptop once or twice




On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 14:34, Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@kuleuven.be> wrote:

Hello Andy,


the "power level" slider (at the right) is initially set to ze= ro. Maybe that is the reason for no audio.

I agree that this is confusing, but I have done this for safety reasons = (I don't want have any transmitter "blown" because of a too h= igh audio level).


73, Rik=C2=A0 ON7YD


= Van: own= er-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= > namens Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@gmail.com>
Verzonden: dinsdag 20 november 2018 15:24
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
CC: rsgb_lf_group
Onderwerp: Re: LF: SlowJT9 update (v0.9.10)
=C2=A0
Rik=C2=A0

I just tried i= nstalling this 0.9.10 version=C2=A0 on my Dell Inspiron laptop Win-10.=C2= =A0 I set the soundcard correctly to=C2=A0 "Speakers / Headphones"= ; and Tx tone to 1200Hz ,=C2=A0 hit enable Tx then=C2=A0 the 'Tune'= button.=C2=A0 =C2=A0It shows as transmitting but there's no audio tone.=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0WSJT-X and other datacomms packages are working fine, both before an= d after trying

Normally don&#= 39;t get any issues like this with the default (the only) soundcard present= .

I'll test = on my other two PCs,=C2=A0 an HP Desktop with Win 7 and HP Notebook

On a different= matter, I'll be writing this up in the next RadCom "Data" co= lumn (February's)=C2=A0 =C2=A0Could you summarise the baud rates and fr= equency shifts finally settled.=C2=A0 =C2=A0There has been so much discussi= on and changes I lost track and haven't followed the latest version
=C2=A0


On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 13:50, Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@kuleuven.be> wrote:

Dear all,


I just uploaded a now beta-release of SlowJT9 (v0.9.10).

The changes=C2=A0are


-=C2=A0JT9-2 and JT9-5 parameters changed to the original ones. The slightly s= lower baudrates make better advance of the transmission cycle. In theory th= is should improve S/N by 0.46 dB for JT9-2 and 0.74 dB for JT9-5.

In other words: JT9-2 and JT9-5 send with v0.9.10 cannot be decoded = with prior versions (v0.9.00 - v0.9.03) and vice versa.

The=C2=A0JT9-1=C2=A0mode however is still the same and can be sent=C2=A0= / received with all versions (and is WSJT-X compatible).


- JT9-10 mode (10 minute cycle)=C2=A0added,=C2=A0for the fearless.


I=C2=A0briefly=C2=A0tested v0.9.10 for in=C2=A0JT9-2 mode and it seems t= o decode (at least) at the same level as=C2=A0for the previous versions.=C2= =A0But to determine a difference of 0.4dB, more extensive tests are needed.=

The sole purpose of this version is to determine how JT9-2, and = eventually=C2=A0JT9-5, behave=C2=A0in relation to the previous versions, so= we can decide wether SlowJT9 will proceed with the original parameters=C2= =A0(anno 2013)=C2=A0that imply an odd baudrate=C2=A0ratio between the JT9 submodes or my previous parameters, with "round numbe= r" ratios.=C2=A0

Therefore all test reports, remarks, suggestions and opinions=C2= =A0are most welcome.

For the same reason no other changes are=C2=A0applied.


Whoever is interested can download the SlowJT9=C2=A0installation file=C2= =A0at=C2=A0http://472khz.org/SlowJT9/SlowJT9_setup.exe.


For now only a Windows version of=C2=A0SlowJT9=C2=A0is available. But as= the used IDE has cross platform facilities it should be possible to suppor= t other operating systems as well in the future.


73, Rik=C2=A0 ON7YD - OR7T






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