Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id wAQIKsET005201 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:21:10 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1gRLJk-0001of-SB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:09:08 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1gRLJk-0001oW-78 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:09:08 +0000 Received: from smtp-out-1.talktalk.net ([62.24.135.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91_59-0488984) (envelope-from ) id 1gRLJi-0002ZZ-Lb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:09:07 +0000 Received: from mal ([88.104.1.72]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP id RLJhgBzsUwhzSRLJhg7oBs; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:09:05 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=talktalk.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=talktalk.net; s=cmr1711; t=1543255745; bh=eezgK0JIdZjRKK+cUMFkg9yZqgay+kLUY0yAFR/ispA=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date; b=agp8mgPR+67TQZGjnAw0wjbZvH1HC+7h/9JcRSbJrYU5hj+y8jFG4Ng6ictFBRS5X op+0USLAkHi2LlYw1V3pPz+CgoFbjCnSDeO8l88RsbLeYyEnFyTKKaVuzNcsrt3lvy zVzgMhAEqsnCm06tGuEYthgz6XvUuH0uBN0AZrxg= X-Originating-IP: [88.104.1.72] X-Spam: 0 X-OAuthority: v=2.3 cv=e8Iot5h/ c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=oLFlnT8c2Bb0h2QgbgxInQ==:117 a=oLFlnT8c2Bb0h2QgbgxInQ==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=BEmV9WZGlO0c2ShCJwQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=slCku8JSH3TyizEDQ3pD:22 Message-ID: From: To: References: <1026827205.20181126115906@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1026827205.20181126115906@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:09:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfDoc7uCaBtGd+XXGZ3+t49ubN73/YOclZX/0bQCNF5nurQKuP0yk4Bz4IcrfiFlTnJwocRI7UuLB8XZlJTZVfyb4JfWWTtC2W0tZw9XLWmJmvuEFW+Yj mimZxle7HCNrimPH7EluECaK9IXfR1zwrI8j1mWtl0E2/5IytlRoUr5g X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: A wellbrook loop is a very SMALL loop about 1M diameter. Plenty of elevated wire as high as possible is the answer on LF/MF MAL/G3KEV Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.135.65 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE No description available. -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 4b5b5ebe37a4c4f430f59bc35c1947b0 Subject: LF: Re: ANTENNAS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false A wellbrook loop is a very SMALL loop about 1M diameter. Plenty of elevated wire as high as possible is the answer on LF/MF MAL/G3KEV -----Original Message----- From: Chris Wilson Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 11:59 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: ANTENNAS Hello Mal, It was me,2E0ILY. Thanks for the info. The Wellbrook loop is a large aperture wire loop, but as G0LUJ is a coastal location I think maybe that flatters the signals. I guess I should try a long resonated wire first then! Thursday, November 22, 2018, 4:39:13 PM, you wrote: > > > > > Someone recently mentioned the Wellbrook loop. > > I borrowed a Wellbrook loop for antenna comparisons a while back. > Weak signals on MF that i could copy with my 1/4 wave inv L on MF > and also my 160m inv L also used to RX on MF. I could not even hear these > weak signals on the Loop. > I could copy stronger signals on the Loop but these were 2 to 3 S > units down on the above wire antennas. > A vertical loop is not ideal for all round listening except it is > rotatable, but could be useful to null out noise at a noisy QTH > A resonated length of wire as long as possible would be a better choice > for all round listening > de G3KEV > -- Best regards, Chris mailto:dead.fets@gmail.com