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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hi Domenico, all, the reason for missing uploads seems to be that wspr-x expects the output in a file named wsprd.out rather than wspr_spots.txt. This could also be fixed by running a simple script like this one: Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [74.6.132.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 917bb99d4b5d86797eb255ea29aa077f Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2130335_2111592487.1542471697999" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ------=_Part_2130335_2111592487.1542471697999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Domenico, all, the reason for=C2=A0missing uploads seems to be that wspr-x=C2=A0expects th= e output=C2=A0in a file named wsprd.out rather than wspr_spots.txt. This co= uld also be=C2=A0fixed by running a simple=C2=A0script like this one: :loop if exist wspr_spots.txt type wspr_spots.txt >>wsprd.out=C2=A0& del wspr_spo= ts.txt sleep 5 goto loop Looks like the=C2=A0new=C2=A0decoder=C2=A0can still=C2=A0decode IW4DXW duri= ng the presence of a strong signal=C2=A0from DK7FC. Best 73,=20 Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Domenico IZ7SLZ An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 17. Nov. 2018 12:17 Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 Hi LF, i have tested this arrangement for two nights and the program WSPR-X seems = stable and i have obtained many decodes. Thanks to all transmitting station= s. By the way, seems that upload of spots fails. I suggest to remove the tick = "upload spot" on the program WSPR-X and use an alternative method to upload= ,=C2=A0 based on the attached batch file that works here. First of all you have to rename the file from=C2=A0 .txt=C2=A0 to .bat=C2= =A0 and change inside your call sign and grid. This batch file uses two programs ('curl' -for Windows- and 'sleep' that yo= u have to download) https://curl.haxx.se/download.html http://df6nm.bplaced.net/VLF/fec_tests/sleep.zip I have installed 'curl' in the directory C:\CURL where i have also copied s= leep.exe Just launch the file batch after the first decode action of the program WSP= R-X and leave it in background. 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 19:59, Domenico IZ7SLZ w= rote: Hi LF, I want suggest a further way to try WSPR-15 with latest improvement of the = WSJT-X vers. 2.0.0. WSJT-X uses the program wsprd.exe to decode wspr-2. This program has also w= spr-15 capability. So i have taken wsprd.exe dated 10/11/2018 included in W= SJT-X bin folder and putted in the=C2=A0 WSPR-X v0.9r3058 directory that i = hold in my radio pc since years. Some dll's need also to be copied in the same way (i did this in the past, = so i'm not sure which files are necessary, but any error's message explains= which library is necessary !) So the program WSPR-X is now running with a new version of wsprd.exe and se= ems stable. I can operate WSPR-15. By the way, my radio PC is an old PC with WinXp,=C2=A0 so i don't know if t= his old program (WSPR-X) should work on 64 bit pc.=20 Also i don't know if this program is longer available in the net. Maybe this advice can be useful for operators working with similar conditio= ns of mine.73, Domenico IZ7SLZ =20 On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 18:00, Markus Vester wrote: Hi Stefan, here is an attempt for a wspr-15 to wspr-2 receive converter which should a= lso work under 64-bit Windows versions. Operation is similar to the old wsp= r-8 and -32 utilities http://df6nm.bplaced.net/wspr/slowWSPR.zip which also contains a description worth reading. The "waitraster" program h= as been replaced by a DOS loop based on the %time% variable. To run the attached script, you will need to rename it from .txt to .bat. T= hen download DL4YHF's sound utilities from http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/soundutl/sndutl_e.zip and the little sleep utility http://df6nm.bplaced.net/VLF/fec_tests/sleep.zip The speeded-up audio should be routed from sndoutpt to WSJT-X using a virtu= al audio cable, e.g. VAC or VB-Cable from Vincent Burel=20 https://www.vb-audio.com/Cable/ This needs to be selected as the default audio output device, as well as th= e WSJT-X input device. Note that=20 - reported frequencies will be translated from 137600-137625 to 137400-1376= 00 Hz, - reported timestamps will be 15 or 16 minutes late, - reported SNR will be 9 dB too good. I have to admit that the script hasn't been tested yet, so there is no guar= antee that it will work at all. If I was to do this again, I'd probably not= go down the speeded-up audio route, but rather make a script which calls w= sprd.exe directly. Good luck, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Do, 15. Nov. 2018 11:26 Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 Hi Markus,=20 Congrats to last nights successes! Well, since WSPR-15 is certainly the better mode for LF DX, and theWSPR tea= m is not interested in LF, will you find the motivation torelease an update= d version of your utilities that enable 64-bit usersto receive WSPR-15 usin= g the latest WSPR-2 decoder? 73, Stefan Am 15.11.2018 00:49, schrieb Markus Vester: > maybe they don't work on 64 bit machines? =20 yes that is the problem. These "tools" are just a simple DOS script.All the= real work is done=C2=A0by the audio utilities from Wolfgang DL4YHF,which a= re running fine as ever.=C2=A0But=C2=A0my little "waitraster.exe"=C2=A0util= ity,which did nothing but hold the script until=C2=A0the beginning of a des= iredminute,=C2=A0will no longer work under Win-64. =20 Best 73, Markus =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: N1BUG An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mi, 14. Nov. 2018 23:03 Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 =20 I am interested in this too, but if Irecall there was a reason I didn't install those tools. I can't remember now... maybe they don't work on 64 bit machines? If that was it, I am out of luck. =20 My WSPR2/WSPR15 transmitting tests last season showed that WSPR15 was much better than WSPR2... even though most WSPR2 listeners were using the new improved decoder and WSPR15 listeners were using the old WSPR-X. =20 73, Paul =20 =20 On 11/14/18 4:09 PM, jrusgrove@comcast.netwrote: > Stefan >=20 > Vague memories ... the tools, if they still exist, would be on anold comp= uter that's not so easy to=20 > resurrect. >=20 > Yes, it seems the current WSPR2 decoder is much improved. Thinkyour time = might be better spent on=20 > that mode since there are already many listeners. It would beinteresting = to see how far west into=20 > the US you could be decoded on a good night. Just my opinion ;~) . >=20 > Jay W1VD >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "DK7FC" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:51 PM > Subject: LF: WSPR-15 >=20 >=20 >> Jay, LF, >> >> I already have the next idea, maybe for tomorrow? ;-) >> >> You remember the early days before K1JT released WSPR-15. >> Markus developed the slow-WSPR tools and we (you, as the DX RXstation ) = tried WSPR-8 and even=20 >> WSPR-30 successfully. >> >> Using Markus tools, the slowly transmitted WSPR (with accurateFSK spacin= g) was accelerated=20 >> replayed in the next time slot and then fed to the normalWSPR-2 decoder,= beeing connected to the=20 >> database. >> >> Meanwhile the WSPR-2 decoder performance seems to have muchimproved. So,= it may be interesting to=20 >> try the 'old' tool of Markus together with the latest WSPR-2decoder. >> >> What do you think? Do you still have the config files and soon? >> >> Worth a try? >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> PS: 137.620 kHz is right in the WSPR-15 defined slot. I thinkthis is why= my coil is resonant=20 >> there ;-) =20 =20 ------=_Part_2130335_2111592487.1542471697999 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Domeni= co, all,

the reason for missing u= ploads seems to be that wspr-x expects the output in a file named= wsprd.out rather than wspr_spots.txt. This could also be fixed by run= ning a simple script like this one:

:loop
if exist wspr_spots.txt type wspr_spots.txt >= >wsprd.out & del wspr_spots.txt
sleep 5
goto loop

Looks like the&= nbsp;new decoder can still decode IW4DXW during the presence= of a strong signal from DK7FC.

B= est 73,
Markus


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Vo= n: Domenico IZ7SLZ <iz7slz.domenico@gmail.com>
An: = rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Versch= ickt: Sa, 17. Nov. 2018 12:17
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-1= 5

Hi LF,

i have tested this arrangement for two nights and = the program WSPR-X seems stable and i have obtained many decodes. Thanks to= all transmitting stations.

By the = way, seems that upload of spots fails. I suggest to remove the tick "upload= spot" on the program WSPR-X and use an alternative method to upload, = based on the attached batch file that works here.

First of all you have to rename the file from  .txt&nb= sp; to .bat  and change inside your call sign and grid.

This batch file uses two programs ('curl' -for Wi= ndows- and 'sleep' that you have to download)

=

=

I have installed 'curl' in th= e directory C:\CURL where i have also copied sleep.exe

Just launch the file batch after the first decode acti= on of the program WSPR-X and leave it in background.


73, Domenico IZ7SLZ






On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 19:59, Domenico IZ7S= LZ <i= z7slz.domenico@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi LF,

I want suggest a further way to try WSPR-15 with l= atest improvement of the WSJT-X vers. 2.0.0.
<= br clear=3D"none">
WSJT-X uses the program wsprd.exe to decode ws= pr-2. This program has also wspr-15 capability. So i have taken wsprd.exe d= ated 10/11/2018 included in WSJT-X bin folder and putted in the  WSPR-= X v0.9r3058 directory that i hold in my radio pc since years.
Some dll's need also to be copied in the same wa= y (i did this in the past, so i'm not sure which files are necessary, but a= ny error's message explains which library is necessary !)

So the program WSPR-X is now running with a new vers= ion of wsprd.exe and seems stable. I can operate WSPR-15.

By the way, my radio PC is an old= PC with WinXp,  so i don't know if this old program (WSPR-X) should w= ork on 64 bit pc.
Also i don't know if this p= rogram is longer available in the net.

<= div>Maybe this advice can be useful for operators working with similar cond= itions of mine.
73, Domenico IZ7SLZ
=





On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 18:00, Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com> wrote:
<= div id=3D"yiv1479029292m_-826813522666820568m_3344299918675400180m_81360787= 28354253756yiv5674803869">
Hi Stefan,

here is an attempt for a wspr-15 to wspr-2 receive converter which shou= ld also work under 64-bit Windows versions. Operation is similar to the old= wspr-8 and -32 utilities
h= ttp://df6nm.bplaced.net/wspr/slowWSPR.zip
which also = contains a description worth reading. The "waitraster" program has been rep= laced by a DOS loop based on the %time% variable.

To run the attached script, you will need to rename it from .t= xt to .bat. Then download DL4YHF's sound utilities from
<= a href=3D"http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/soundutl/sndutl_e.zip" target=3D"_blank= " rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/soundutl/sndutl= _e.zip
and the little sleep utility
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/VLF/fec_tests= /sleep.zip

The speeded-up audio s= hould be routed from sndoutpt to WSJT-X using a virtual audio cable, e.g. V= AC or VB-Cable from Vincent Burel
htt= ps://www.vb-audio.com/Cable/
This needs to be selecte= d as the default audio output device, as well as the WSJT-X input device.

Note that
- reporte= d frequencies will be translated from 137600-137625 to 137400-137600 Hz,- reported timestamps will be 15 or 16 minutes late,
- reported SNR will be 9 dB too good.

I have to admit that the script hasn't been tested yet, so the= re is no guarantee that it will work at all. If I was to do this again, I'd= probably not go down the speeded-up audio route, but rather make a script = which calls wsprd.exe directly.

Good = luck,
Markus (DF6NM)



-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung--= ---
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: r= sgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschi= ckt: Do, 15. Nov. 2018 11:26
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15=

Hi Markus,

Congrats to last nights successes!

Well, since WSPR-15 is certainly the better mode for LF DX, and the WSPR team is not interested in LF, will you find the motivation to release an updated version of your utilities that enable 64-bit users to receive WSPR-15 using the latest WSPR-2 decoder?

73, Stefan



Am 15.11.2018 00:49, schrieb Markus Vester:
> maybe they don't work on 64 bit machines?

yes that is the problem. These "tools" are just a simple DOS script. All the real work is done by the audio utilities from Wolfgang DL4YHF, which are running fine as ever. But my little "waitraster.exe"&nb= sp;utility, which did nothing but hold the script until the beginning of a desired minute, will no longer work under Win-64.

Best 73,
Markus

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: N1BUG <paul@n1bug.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mi, 14. Nov. 2018 23:03
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15

I am interested in this too, but if I recall there was a reason I
didn't install those tools. I can't remember now... maybe they don't
work on 64 bit machines? If that was it, I am out of luck.

My WSPR2/WSPR15 transmitting tests last season showed that WSPR15
was much better than WSPR2... even though most WSPR2 listeners were
using the new improved decoder and WSPR15 listeners were using the
old WSPR-X.

73,
Paul

On 11/14/18 4:09 PM, jrusgrove@comcast.net wrote:
> Stefan
>
> Vague memories ... the tools, if they still exist, would be on an old computer that's not so easy to
> resurrect.
>
> Yes, it seems the current WSPR2 decoder is much improved. Think your time might be better spent on
> that mode since there are already many listeners. It would be interesting to see how far west into
> the US you could be decoded on a good night. Just my opinion ;~) .
>
> Jay W1VD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DK7FC" <selberdenken@posteo.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:51 PM
> Subject: LF: WSPR-15
>
>
>> Jay, LF,
>>
>> I already have the next idea, maybe for tomorrow? ;-)
>>
>> You remember the early days before K1JT released WSPR-15.
>> Markus developed the slow-WSPR tools and we (you, as the DX RX station ) tried WSPR-8 and even
>> WSPR-30 successfully.
>>
>> Using Markus tools, the slowly transmitted WSPR (with accurate FSK spacing) was accelerated
>> replayed in the next time slot and then fed to the normal WSPR-2 decoder, beeing connected to the
>> database.
>>
>> Meanwhile the WSPR-2 decoder performance seems to have much improved. So, it may be interesting to
>> try the 'old' tool of Markus together with the latest WSPR-2 decoder.
>>
>> What do you think? Do you still have the config files and so on?
>>
>> Worth a try?
>>
>> 73, Stefan
>>
>> PS: 137.620 kHz is right in the WSPR-15 defined slot. I think this is why my coil is resonant
>> there ;-)

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