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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, yes I've been wondering about that too. Domenico's idea works, so there must be some kind of default setting, but I have no idea which one it is and where it is defined. 73, Markus Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [74.6.135.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 8ff58773d0c146c762104379ddf38dc0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2177264_1639964991.1542474926670" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ------=_Part_2177264_1639964991.1542474926670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan, yes I've been wondering about that too. Domenico's idea works, so there=C2= =A0must be=C2=A0some kind of default setting, but I have no idea which one = it is and where it is defined. 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 17. Nov. 2018 17:56 Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 Hello Markus,=20 Very well.=20 One question: In the WSPR-2 decoder you can select how to decode.'fast, 'no= rmal' and 'deep'. How can you select this value with theWSJT-X software whi= ch does not have this option of coice? Is there adefault value in a config = file? 73, Stefan Am 17.11.2018 17:21, schrieb Markus Vester: HiDomenico, all, =20 the reason for=C2=A0missing uploads seems to be that wspr-x=C2=A0expects th= eoutput=C2=A0in a file named wsprd.out rather than wspr_spots.txt. This cou= ldalso be=C2=A0fixed by running a simple=C2=A0script like this one: =20 :loop if exist wspr_spots.txt type wspr_spots.txt >>wsprd.out=C2=A0& delwspr_spot= s.txt sleep 5 goto loop =20 Looks like the=C2=A0new=C2=A0decoder=C2=A0can still=C2=A0decode IW4DXW duri= ng the presenceof a strong signal=C2=A0from DK7FC. =20 Best 73,=20 Markus =20 =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Domenico IZ7SLZ An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 17. Nov. 2018 12:17 Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 =20 Hi LF,=20 i have tested this arrangement for two nights and the programWSPR-X seems= stable and i have obtained many decodes. Thanks to alltransmitting station= s.=20 By the way, seems that upload of spots fails. I suggest toremove the tick= "upload spot" on the program WSPR-X and use analternative method to upload= ,=C2=A0 based on the attached batch file thatworks here.=20 First of all you have to rename the file from=C2=A0 .txt=C2=A0 to .bat=C2= =A0and change inside your call sign and grid.=20 This batch file uses two programs ('curl' -for Windows- and'sleep' that y= ou have to download)=20 https://curl.haxx.se/download.html =20 http://df6nm.bplaced.net/VLF/fec_tests/sleep.zip=20 I have installed 'curl' in the directory C:\CURL where i havealso copied = sleep.exe=20 Just launch the file batch after the first decode action of theprogram WS= PR-X and leave it in background.=20 =20 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 19:59, Domenico IZ7SLZ wrote: =20 Hi LF,=20 I want suggest a further way to try WSPR-15 with latestimprovement of the= WSJT-X vers. 2.0.0. =20 WSJT-X uses the program wsprd.exe to decode wspr-2. Thisprogram has also = wspr-15 capability. So i have taken wsprd.exe dated10/11/2018 included in W= SJT-X bin folder and putted in the=C2=A0 WSPR-Xv0.9r3058 directory that i h= old in my radio pc since years.=20 Some dll's need also to be copied in the same way (i did thisin the past,= so i'm not sure which files are necessary, but any error'smessage explains= which library is necessary !)=20 So the program WSPR-X is now running with a new version ofwsprd.exe and s= eems stable. I can operate WSPR-15. =20 By the way, my radio PC is an old PC with WinXp,=C2=A0 so i don'tknow if = this old program (WSPR-X) should work on 64 bit pc.=20 Also i don't know if this program is longer available in thenet.=20 Maybe this advice can be useful for operators working withsimilar conditi= ons of mine. 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 18:00, Markus Vester wrote: =20 HiStefan,=20 here is an attempt for a wspr-15 to wspr-2 receive converter whichshould al= so work under 64-bit Windows versions. Operation is similar tothe old wspr-= 8 and -32 utilities http://df6nm.bplaced.net/wspr/slowWSPR.zip which also contains a description worth reading. The "waitraster"program ha= s been replaced by a DOS loop based on the %time% variable.=20 To run the attached script, you will need to rename it from .txt to.bat. Th= en download DL4YHF's sound utilities from http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/soundutl/sndutl_e.zip and the little sleep utility http://df6nm.bplaced.net/VLF/fec_tests/sleep.zip=20 The speeded-up audio should be routed from sndoutpt to WSJT-X using avirtua= l audio cable, e.g. VAC or VB-Cable from Vincent Burel=20 https://www.vb-audio.com/Cable/ This needs to be selected as the default audio output device, as wellas the= WSJT-X input device.=20 Note that=20 - reported frequencies will be translated from 137600-137625 to137400-13760= 0 Hz, - reported timestamps will be 15 or 16 minutes late, - reported SNR will be 9 dB too good.=20 I have to admit that the script hasn't been tested yet, so there is noguara= ntee that it will work at all. If I was to do this again, I'dprobably not g= o down the speeded-up audio route, but rather make ascript which calls wspr= d.exe directly.=20 Good luck, Markus (DF6NM) =20 =20 =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Do, 15. Nov. 2018 11:26 Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 =20 Hi Markus,=20 =20 Congrats to last nights successes! =20 Well, since WSPR-15 is certainly the better mode for LF DX, and theWSPR tea= m is not interested in LF, will you find the motivation torelease an update= d version of your utilities that enable 64-bit usersto receive WSPR-15 usin= g the latest WSPR-2 decoder? =20 73, Stefan =20 =20 =20 Am 15.11.2018 00:49, schrieb Markus Vester: =20 >maybe they don't work on 64 bit machines? =20 yes that is the problem. These "tools" are just a simple DOS script.All the= real work is done=C2=A0by the audio utilities from Wolfgang DL4YHF,which a= re running fine as ever.=C2=A0But=C2=A0my little "waitraster.exe"=C2=A0util= ity,which did nothing but hold the script until=C2=A0the beginning of a des= iredminute,=C2=A0will no longer work under Win-64. =20 Best 73, Markus =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: N1BUG An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mi, 14. Nov. 2018 23:03 Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 =20 I am interested in this too, but if Irecall there was a reason I didn't install those tools. I can't remember now... maybe they don't work on 64 bit machines? If that was it, I am out of luck. =20 My WSPR2/WSPR15 transmitting tests last season showed that WSPR15 was much better than WSPR2... even though most WSPR2 listeners were using the new improved decoder and WSPR15 listeners were using the old WSPR-X. =20 73, Paul =20 =20 On 11/14/18 4:09 PM, jrusgrove@comcast.netwrote: > Stefan >=20 > Vague memories ... the tools, if they still exist, would be on anold comp= uter that's not so easy to=20 > resurrect. >=20 > Yes, it seems the current WSPR2 decoder is much improved. Thinkyour time = might be better spent on=20 > that mode since there are already many listeners. It would beinteresting = to see how far west into=20 > the US you could be decoded on a good night. Just my opinion ;~) . >=20 > Jay W1VD >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "DK7FC" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:51 PM > Subject: LF: WSPR-15 >=20 >=20 >> Jay, LF, >> >> I already have the next idea, maybe for tomorrow? ;-) >> >> You remember the early days before K1JT released WSPR-15. >> Markus developed the slow-WSPR tools and we (you, as the DX RXstation ) = tried WSPR-8 and even=20 >> WSPR-30 successfully. >> >> Using Markus tools, the slowly transmitted WSPR (with accurateFSK spacin= g) was accelerated=20 >> replayed in the next time slot and then fed to the normalWSPR-2 decoder,= beeing connected to the=20 >> database. >> >> Meanwhile the WSPR-2 decoder performance seems to have muchimproved. So,= it may be interesting to=20 >> try the 'old' tool of Markus together with the latest WSPR-2decoder. >> >> What do you think? Do you still have the config files and soon? >> >> Worth a try? >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> PS: 137.620 kHz is right in the WSPR-15 defined slot. I thinkthis is why= my coil is resonant=20 >> there ;-) =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_Part_2177264_1639964991.1542474926670 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,

yes I've been wondering ab= out that too. Domenico's idea works, so there must be some kind o= f default setting, but I have no idea which one it is and where it is defin= ed.

73, Markus


-----U= rspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenke= n@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org>
Verschickt: Sa, 17. Nov. 2018 17:56
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15

Hello Markus,

Very well.
One question: In the WSPR-2 decoder you can select how to decode. 'fast, 'normal' and 'deep'. How can you select this value with the WSJT-X software which does not have this option of coice? Is there a default value in a config file?

73, Stefan

Am 17.11.2018 17:21, schrieb Markus Vester:
Hi Domenico, all,

the reason for missing uploads seems to be that wspr-x expects th= e output in a file named wsprd.out rather than wspr_spots.txt. This coul= d also be fixed by running a simple script like this one:

:loop
if exist wspr_spots.txt type wspr_spots.txt >>wsprd.out & de= l wspr_spots.txt
sleep 5
goto loop

Looks like the new decoder can still decode IW4DXW duri= ng the presence of a strong signal from DK7FC.

Best 73,
Markus


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Domenico IZ7SLZ <iz7slz.domenico@gmail.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Sa, 17. Nov. 2018 12:17
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15

Hi LF,

i have tested this arrangement for two nights and the pr= ogram WSPR-X seems stable and i have obtained many decodes. Thanks to all transmitting stations.

By the way, seems that upload of spots fails. I suggest = to remove the tick "upload spot" on the program WSPR-X and use an alternative method to upload,  based on the attached batch file that works here.

First of all you have to rename the file from  .txt=   to .bat  and change inside your call sign and grid.

This batch file uses two programs ('curl' -for Windows- = and 'sleep' that you have to download)



I have installed 'curl' in the directory C:\CURL where i= have also copied sleep.exe

Just launch the file batch after the first decode action= of the program WSPR-X and leave it in background.


73, Domenico IZ7SLZ






On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 19:59, Domenico IZ7SL= Z <iz7slz.domenico@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi LF,

I want suggest a further way to try WSPR-15 with lates= t improvement of the WSJT-X vers. 2.0.0.

WSJT-X uses the program wsprd.exe to decode wspr-2. Th= is program has also wspr-15 capability. So i have taken wsprd.exe dated 10/11/2018 included in WSJT-X bin folder and putted in the  WSPR-X v0.9r3058 directory that i hold in my radio pc since years.

Some dll's need also to be copied in the same way (i d= id this in the past, so i'm not sure which files are necessary, but any error's message explains which library is necessary !)

So the program WSPR-X is now running with a new versio= n of wsprd.exe and seems stable. I can operate WSPR-15.

By the way, my radio PC is an old PC with WinXp, = so i don't know if this old program (WSPR-X) should work on 64 bit pc.
Also i don't know if this program is longer available = in the net.

Maybe this advice can be useful for operators working = with similar conditions of mine.
73, Domenico IZ7SLZ






On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 18:00, Markus Veste= r <markusvester@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Stefan,

here is an attempt for a wspr-15 to wspr-2 receive converter which should also work under 64-bit Windows versions. Operation is similar to the old wspr-8 and -32 utilities
http://df6nm.bpl= aced.net/wspr/slowWSPR.zip
which also contains a description worth reading. The "waitraster" program has been replaced by a DOS loop based on the %time% variable.

To run the attached script, you will need to rename it from .txt to .bat. Then download DL4YHF's sound utilities from
http://www.= qsl.net/dl4yhf/soundutl/sndutl_e.zip
and the little sleep utility
http://d= f6nm.bplaced.net/VLF/fec_tests/sleep.zip

The speeded-up audio should be routed from sndoutpt to WSJT-X using a virtual audio cable, e.g. VAC or VB-Cable from Vincent Burel
https://www.vb-audio.com/Ca= ble/
This needs to be selected as the default audio output device, as well as the WSJT-X input device.

Note that
- reported frequencies will be translated from 137600-137625 to 137400-137600 Hz,
- reported timestamps will be 15 or 16 minutes late,
- reported SNR will be 9 dB too good.

I have to admit that the script hasn't been tested yet, so there is no guarantee that it will work at all. If I was to do this again, I'd probably not go down the speeded-up audio route, but rather make a script which calls wsprd.exe directly.

Good luck,
Markus (DF6NM)



-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&g= t;
Verschickt: Do, 15. Nov. 2018 11:26
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15

Hi Markus,

Congrats to last nights successes!

Well, since WSPR-15 is certainly the better mode for LF DX, and the WSPR team is not interested in LF, will you find the motivation to release an updated version of your utilities that enable 64-bit users to receive WSPR-15 using the latest WSPR-2 decoder?

73, Stefan



Am 15.11.2018 00:49, schrieb Markus Vester:
> maybe they don't work on 64 bit machines?

yes that is the problem. These "tools" are just a simple DOS script. All the real work is done by the audio utilities from Wolfgang DL4YHF, which are running fine as ever. But my little "waitraster.exe"&nb= sp;utility, which did nothing but hold the script until the beginning of a desired minute, will no longer work under Win-64.

Best 73,
Markus

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: N1BUG <paul@n1bug.com><= br clear=3D"none" abp=3D"939"> An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mi, 14. Nov. 2018 23:03
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15

I am interested in this too, but if I recall there was a reason I
didn't install those tools. I can't remember now... maybe they don't
work on 64 bit machines? If that was it, I am out of luck.

My WSPR2/WSPR15 transmitting tests last season showed that WSPR15
was much better than WSPR2... even though most WSPR2 listeners were
using the new improved decoder and WSPR15 listeners were using the
old WSPR-X.

73,
Paul


On 11/14/18 4:09 PM, jrusgrove@comcast.net wrote:
> Stefan
>
> Vague memories ... the tools, if they still exist, would be on an old computer that's not so easy to
> resurrect.
>
> Yes, it seems the current WSPR2 decoder is much improved. Think your time might be better spent on
> that mode since there are already many listeners. It would be interesting to see how far west into
> the US you could be decoded on a good night. Just my opinion ;~) .
>
> Jay W1VD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DK7FC" <selberdenken@posteo.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:51 PM
> Subject: LF: WSPR-15
>
>
>> Jay, LF,
>>
>> I already have the next idea, maybe for tomorrow? ;-)
>>
>> You remember the early days before K1JT released WSPR-15.
>> Markus developed the slow-WSPR tools and we (you, as the DX RX station ) tried WSPR-8 and even
>> WSPR-30 successfully.
>>
>> Using Markus tools, the slowly transmitted WSPR (with accurate FSK spacing) was accelerated
>> replayed in the next time slot and then fed to the normal WSPR-2 decoder, beeing connected to the
>> database.
>>
>> Meanwhile the WSPR-2 decoder performance seems to have much improved. So, it may be interesting to
>> try the 'old' tool of Markus together with the latest WSPR-2 decoder.
>>
>> What do you think? Do you still have the config files and so on?
>>
>> Worth a try?
>>
>> 73, Stefan
>>
>> PS: 137.620 kHz is right in the WSPR-15 defined slot. I think this is why my coil is resonant
>> there ;-)

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