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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hi LF PA Have just seen this new MOSFET drivers with galvanic isolation. Seems very nice for QRO PAs using mains voltage https://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/power-management/mosfet-and-igbt-gate-driv [...] Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [185.201.17.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is an abusable web server [85.60.35.36 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) X-Scan-Signature: c9c533f07c530c146486ecf89a00ebb1 Subject: RE: LF: On air again in LF WSPR-15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by klubnl.pl id wANASebY013850 Hi LF PA Have just seen this new MOSFET drivers with galvanic isolation. Seems very nice for QRO PAs using mains voltage https://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/power-management/mosfet-and-igbt-gate-drivers/multiple-channel-drivers/stgap2d.html?icmp=tt8623_gl_pron_oct2018 73 de Luis EA5DOM -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de DK7FC Enviado el: jueves, 22 de noviembre de 2018 12:10 Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Asunto: Re: LF: On air again in LF WSPR-15 Hi Chris, Am 22.11.2018 11:36, schrieb Chris Wilson: > Thanks for the schematics Stefan! Do you know exactly what toroid you > used (assuming it is a toroid) for the gate driver transformer please? > I tried to describe it as good as possible. If it helps, here is the link: https://www.reichelt.de/ringkern-aus-ferroxcube-n30-rik-20-p15247.html?&trstct=pos_0 It is not so critical. As long as the AL value is reasonably, it should work. Avoid to use a too large diameter because of stray inductances and so on. This would affect the gate-source voltage. > Would the output level of the Si chip in a QRP Labs U3S be enough to > drive this amp direct? I don't know about the output of the U3S but i assume it is certainly enough to drive the optocoupler. The optocouplers are not a must but they can help to avoid problems in the shack, ground loops and so on, you know. Another transformer may be an alternative instead. There are many ways to build a system running without troubles during the operation. > I do not fully understand what the BF862 / > 6N136 and 10K pot do, would mind just explaining that bit about > duty cycle please? > Well the 6N136 is an optocoupler providing a very good galvanic decoupling between the signal generator and the PA. Also it is part of the safety considerations of the system operating at rectified mains level. Depending on the signal source in front of the optocoupler and the optocoupler itselfe, the input voltage of the IXDD will most likely not be a perfect rectangle with 50 % duty cycle. Using the pot it was possible to adjust for a nearly perfect 50% duty cycle of the rectangular (+-320 V @ 137 kHz) output voltage of the H bridge. In this design it is not super-essential to have a 50% duty cycle. With 53 % for example there will be a residual DC component but this would be taken by the C in front of the output transformer. The PA would not be destroyed but the output power would be a little bit lower. Anyway, 50 % is desired. BTW you know that this design is not intended for linear operation of course, unless you add another stage modulating the bridge supply voltage. But this is not necessary for QRSS/DFCW/OP32/WSPR/JT9-X/EbNaut, i.e. for almost any mode. I admit i even transmitted slow hell with that PA. The result didn't look as pretty as with a linear PA but it worked as well :-) In fact it shows that the design seems to be quite robust. Anyway i heared the FETs complaining (krrzzkrrrktz), you know. See the attachment from the old days :-) 73, Stefan