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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hello Paul, Ooh it is a class-E PA? That explains much! They need a very accurate SWR to reach the high efficiency. Initially i've been a friend of class-E but what you see now is exactly the reason why i'm prefe [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [185.67.36.65 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: Re: LF: No 2200m TX tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello Paul, Ooh it is a class-E PA? That explains much! They need a very accurate SWR to reach the high efficiency. Initially i've been a friend of class-E but what you see now is exactly the reason why i'm preferring class-D now! Generally: Avoid TO-220 cases for a real PA. Prefer TO-247 instead, especially below 500 kHz. Regarding the effect you're observing: I would guess it is a thermal problem in a ferrite core, a capacitor or even the away-drifting on-resistance / working point of the class-E PA. 73, Stefan Am 24.11.2018 12:47, schrieb N1BUG: > Hi Markus, > > That is very interesting. It changes about 25 % during the first 2-3 > minutes, then it seems to settle down and not change any more. It > could be moisture somewhere, but any moisture here is solid ice or > frost now. I did not find any ice or frost in the transformer box or > the variometer. Could be insulators or something with the antenna > itself. I don't see any "fuzz" on the scomematch voltage trace so I > think (hope) nothing is arcing. > > What worried me is this did not happen last winter so something has > changed. Everything accumulates some dirt here because of blowing > dust, smoke, etc. I wonder if a small amount of dirt on insulators > plus moisture can combine to make funny things happen. > > Anyway I examined the little PA and it seems to have died due to > poor thermal interface between FET and heatsink. It's a physically > small FET and maybe was not screwed down tight enough with the > Sil-Pad interface, which was also a previously used one. > > Normally I do not like to put drain voltage on the heatsink but as > an experiment for this little PA (which is totally an experiment > itself, but served me very well last winter) I will isolate the heat > sink from the chassis/PCB and mount the little FET directly to it. > The thermal resistance would be much lower! I think this is fine so > long as nothing shorts the heat sink to ground. In that case some > fuses die. ;-) This would add some pf of capacitance between drain > and ground but it would be in parallel with the quite large C of the > Class E tank, probably not much difference at 137 kHz! > > Parts to repair the big PA should arrive Wednesday. > > 73, > Paul > > > On 11/23/18 4:29 PM, Markus Vester wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> >> sorry to read that. Have pity on the poor FETs! >> >> You mentioned that the antenna resistance is gradually decreasing >> (i.e. improving) during longer transmissions. I often see that >> effect here, with the current rising by say 20 % during the first >> few minutes. I've put it down to moisture or dew around the coil >> and insulators (tiny little polycarbomnnate pencil tubes), which >> evaporates as things warm up. It is more prominent during cold >> damp weather, and much more so with the very high antenna >> impedance at VLF than at LF. >> >> Good luck, Markus >> >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- Von: N1BUG >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Verschickt: Fr, 23. Nov. 2018 22:12 Betreff: LF: No 2200m TX >> tonight >> >> No transmissions from me this night. The little amplifier has >> died. I think it may be related to this resistance change in the >> antenna which is getting worse and worse. >> >> I'm going back to MF for this night, sorry! >> >> 73, Paul >> >