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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Domenico The WSPR-X upload problem can usually be fixed by clearing out the contents of ALL_WSPR.TXT file ... which grows quite large over time. Suppose one could automate that process with a batch file that r [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:36 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1a0ff5bc59f36a18b14a5c1a91beb3f9 Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="DB4kWbVcb7hkbvxW=_M77fqOEFwbLvXOVD" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format --DB4kWbVcb7hkbvxW=_M77fqOEFwbLvXOVD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Domenico The WSPR-X upload problem can usually be fixed by clearing out the con= tents of=20 ALL_WSPR.TXT file ... which grows quite large over time. Suppose one c= ould=20 automate that process with a batch file that runs every once in a whil= e.=20 Jay W1VD=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Domenico IZ7SLZ Reply-To: To: Sent: 11/17/2018 6:14:28 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 Hi LF, i have tested this arrangement for two nights and the program WSPR-X s= eems=20 stable and i have obtained many decodes. Thanks to all transmitting st= ations. By the way, seems that upload of spots fails. I suggest to remove the = tick=20 "upload spot" on the program WSPR-X and use an alternative method to u= pload, =20 based on the attached batch file that works here. First of all you have to rename the file from .txt to .bat and chan= ge inside=20 your call sign and grid. This batch file uses two programs ('curl' -for Windows- and 'sleep' th= at you=20 have to download) https://curl.haxx.se/download.html http://df6nm.bplaced.net/VLF/fec_tests/sleep.zip I have installed 'curl' in the directory C:\CURL where i have also cop= ied=20 sleep.exe Just launch the file batch after the first decode action of the progra= m WSPR-X=20 and leave it in background. 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 19:59, Domenico IZ7SLZ wrote: Hi LF, I want suggest a further way to try WSPR-15 with latest improvement of= the WSJT- X vers. 2.0.0. WSJT-X uses the program wsprd.exe to decode wspr-2. This program has a= lso wspr- 15 capability. So i have taken wsprd.exe dated 10/11/2018 included in = WSJT-X=20 bin folder and putted in the WSPR-X v0.9r3058 directory that i hold i= n my=20 radio pc since years. Some=20 dll's need also to be copied in the same way (i did this in the past, = so i'm=20 not sure which files are necessary, but any=20 error's message explains which library is necessary !) So the program WSPR-X is now running with a new version of wsprd.exe a= nd seems stable. I can operate WSPR-15. By the way, my radio PC is an old PC with WinXp, so i don't=20 know if this old program (WSPR-X) should work on 64 bit pc.=20 Also i=20 don't know if this program is longer available in the net. Maybe this advice can be useful for operators working with similar con= ditions of mine. 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 18:00, Markus Vester wro= te: Hi Stefan, here is an attempt for a wspr-15 to wspr-2 receive converter which sho= uld also work under 64-bit Windows versions. Operation is similar to t= he old wspr-8 and -32 utilities http://df6nm.bplaced.net/wspr/slowWSPR.zip which also contains a description worth reading. The "waitraster" prog= ram has been replaced by a DOS loop based on the %time% variable. To run the attached script, you will need to rename it from .txt to .b= at. Then download DL4YHF's=20 sound utilities from http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/soundutl/sndutl_e.zip and the little sleep utility http://df6nm.bplaced.net/VLF/fec_tests/sleep.zip The speeded-up audio should be routed from sndoutpt to WSJT-X using a = virtual=20 audio cable, e.g. VAC or VB-Cable from Vincent Burel=20 https://www.vb-audio.com/Cable/ This needs to be selected as the default audio output device, as well = as the=20 WSJT-X input device. Note that=20 - reported frequencies will be translated from 137600-137625 to 137400= -137600=20 Hz, - reported timestamps will be 15 or 16 minutes late, - reported SNR will be 9 dB too good. I have to admit that the script=20 hasn't been tested yet, so there is no guarantee that it will work at = all. If I was to do this again, I'd=20 probably not go down the speeded-up audio route, but rather make a scr= ipt which=20 calls wsprd.exe directly. Good luck, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Do, 15. Nov. 2018 11:26 Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 Hi Markus,=20 Congrats to last nights successes! Well, since WSPR-15 is certainly the better mode for LF DX, and the WS= PR team=20 is not interested in LF, will you find the motivation to release an up= dated=20 version of your utilities that enable 64-bit users to receive WSPR-15 = using the=20 latest WSPR-2 decoder? 73, Stefan Am 15.11.2018 00:49, schrieb Markus Vester:=20 > maybe they=20 don't work on 64 bit machines? yes that is the problem. These "tools" are just a simple DOS script. A= ll the real work is done by the audio utilities from Wolfgang DL4YHF, = which are running fine as ever. But my little "waitraster.exe" utility= , which did nothing but hold the script until the beginning of a desir= ed minute, will no longer work under Win-64. Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: N1BUG An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mi, 14. Nov. 2018 23:03 Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 I am interested in this too, but if I recall there was a reason I didn't=20 install those tools. I can't remember now... maybe they don't work on 64 bit machines? If that was it, I am out of luck. My WSPR2/WSPR15 transmitting tests last season showed that WSPR15 was much better than WSPR2... even though most WSPR2 listeners were using the new improved decoder and WSPR15 listeners were using the old WSPR-X. 73, Paul On 11/14/18 4:09 PM, jrusgrove@comcast.net wrote: > Stefan >=20 > Vague memories ... the tools, if they still exist, would be on an ol= d=20 computer=20 that's not so easy to=20 > resurrect. >=20 > Yes, it seems the current WSPR2 decoder is much improved. Think your= time might be better spent on=20 > that mode since there are already many listeners. It would be intere= sting to see how far west into=20 > the US you could be decoded on a good night. Just my opinion ;~) . >=20 > Jay W1VD >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "DK7FC" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:51 PM > Subject: LF: WSPR-15 >=20 >=20 >> Jay, LF, >> >> I already have the next idea, maybe for tomorrow? ;-) >> >> You remember the early days before K1JT released WSPR-15. >> Markus developed the slow-WSPR tools and we (you, as the DX RX stat= ion ) tried WSPR-8 and even=20 >> WSPR-30 successfully. >> >> Using Markus tools, the slowly transmitted WSPR (with accurate FSK = spacing) was accelerated=20 >> replayed in the next time slot and then fed to the normal WSPR-2 de= coder, beeing connected to the=20 >> database. >> >> Meanwhile the WSPR-2 decoder performance seems to have much improve= d. So, it may be interesting to=20 >> try the 'old' tool of Markus together with the latest WSPR-2 decode= r. >> >> What do you think? Do you still have the config files and so on? >> >> Worth a try? >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> PS: 137.620 kHz is right in the WSPR-15 defined slot. I think this = is why my coil is resonant=20 >> there ;-) --DB4kWbVcb7hkbvxW=_M77fqOEFwbLvXOVD Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Domenico
 
The WSPR-X upload problem can usually be fixed by clearing out th= e contents of ALL_WSPR.TXT file ... which grows quite large over time.=  Suppose one could automate that process with a batch file that r= uns every once in a while.
 
Jay W1VD 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Domenico IZ7SLZ <iz7slz.domenico@gmail.com>
Sent: 11/17/2018 6:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15
Hi LF,

i have tested this arrangement for two nights and the program WSP= R-X seems stable and i have obtained many decodes. Thanks to all trans= mitting stations.

By the way, seems that upload of spots fails. I suggest to remove= the tick "upload spot" on the program WSPR-X and use an alternative m= ethod to upload,  based on the attached batch file that works her= e.

First of all you have to rename the file from  .txt  to= .bat  and change inside your call sign and grid.

This batch file uses two programs ('curl' -for Windows- and 'slee= p' that you have to download)



I have installed 'curl' in the directory C:\CURL where i have als= o copied sleep.exe

Just launch the file batch after the first decode action of the p= rogram WSPR-X and leave it in background.


73, Domenico IZ7SLZ






On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 19:59, Domenico IZ7SLZ <iz7slz.domenic= o@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi LF,

I want suggest a further way to try WSPR-15 with latest improveme= nt of the WSJT-X vers. 2.0.0.

WSJT-X uses the program wsprd.exe to decode wspr-2. This program = has also wspr-15 capability. So i have taken wsprd.exe dated 10/11/201= 8 included in WSJT-X bin folder and putted in the  WSPR-X v0.9r30= 58 directory that i hold in my radio pc since years.

Some dll's need also to be copied in the same way (i did this in = the past, so i'm not sure which files are necessary, but any error's m= essage explains which library is necessary !)

So the program WSPR-X is now running with a new version of wsprd.= exe and seems stable. I can operate WSPR-15.

By the way, my radio PC is an old PC with WinXp,  so i don't= know if this old program (WSPR-X) should work on 64 bit pc.
Also i don't know if this program is longer available in the net.=

Maybe this advice can be useful for operators working with simila= r conditions of mine.
73, Domenico IZ7SLZ






On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 18:00, Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com<= /A>> wrote:
Hi Stefan,

here is an attempt for a wspr-15 to w= spr-2 receive converter which should also work under 64-bit Windows ve= rsions. Operation is similar to the old wspr-8 and -32 utilities
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/wspr/slowWSPR.zip
which also contains a description worth reading. The "waitraster"= program has been replaced by a DOS loop based on the %time% variable.=
=

The speeded-up audio should be routed= from sndoutpt to WSJT-X using a virtual audio cable, e.g. VAC or VB-C= able from Vincent Burel
https://www.vb-audio.com/Cable/
This needs to be selected as the default audio output dev= ice, as well as the WSJT-X input device.

Note that
- reported= frequencies will be translated from 137600-137625 to 137400-137600 Hz= ,
- reported timestamps will be 15 or 16 minutes late,=
- reported SNR will be 9 dB too good.

I have to admit that the script hasn'= t been tested yet, so there is no guarantee that it will work at all. = If I was to do this again, I'd probably not go down the speeded-up aud= io route, but rather make a script which calls wsprd.exe directly.

Good luck,
Markus (DF= 6NM)



-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC &= lt;selberden= ken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org>
Verschickt: Do, 15. Nov. 2018 11:= 26
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15

Hi Markus,

Congrats to last nig= hts successes!

Well, since WSPR-15 is= certainly the better mode for LF DX, and the WSPR team is not interes= ted in LF, will you find the motivation to release an updated version = of your utilities that enable 64-bit users to receive WSPR-15 using th= e latest WSPR-2 decoder?

73, Stefan


Am 1= 5.11.2018 00:49, schrieb Markus Vester:=20
> maybe they don't work on 64 bit machines?

yes that is the problem. These "tools" are j= ust a simple DOS script. All the real work is done by the audio u= tilities from Wolfgang DL4YHF, which are running fine as ever. Bu= t my little "waitraster.exe" utility, which did nothing but = hold the script until the beginning of a desired minute, wil= l no longer work under Win-64.

Best 7= 3,
Markus

-----Urspr=C3= =BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: N1BUG <paul@n1bug.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Versch= ickt: Mi, 14. Nov. 2018 23:03
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSP= R-15

I am interested in this too, but if I recall there was = a reason I
didn't install those tools. I can't remembe= r now... maybe they don't
work on 64 bit machines? If = that was it, I am out of luck.

My WSP= R2/WSPR15 transmitting tests last season showed that WSPR15
was much better than WSPR2... even though most WSPR2 listeners we= re
using the new improved decoder and WSPR15 listeners= were using the
old WSPR-X.

73,
Paul


On 11/14/18 4:09 PM, jrusgrove@comcast.net wrote:> Stefan
>
> = Vague memories ... the tools, if they still exist, would be on an old = computer that's not so easy to
> resurrect.
>
> Yes, it seems the current WSPR2 d= ecoder is much improved. Think your time might be better spent on
> that mode since there are already many listeners. It= would be interesting to see how far west into
> t= he US you could be decoded on a good night. Just my opinion ;~) .
>
> Jay W1VD
> <= BR clear=3Dnone>>
> ----- Original Message ----= -
> From: "DK7FC" <selberdenken= @posteo.de>
> To: <= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednes= day, November 14, 2018 1:51 PM
> Subject: LF: WSPR-= 15
>
>
>>= ; Jay, LF,
>>
>> I already= have the next idea, maybe for tomorrow? ;-)
>><= BR clear=3Dnone>>> You remember the early days before K1JT relea= sed WSPR-15.
>> Markus developed the slow-WSPR t= ools and we (you, as the DX RX station ) tried WSPR-8 and even
>> WSPR-30 successfully.
>>
>> Using Markus tools, the slowly transmitted WSPR (= with accurate FSK spacing) was accelerated
>> r= eplayed in the next time slot and then fed to the normal WSPR-2 decode= r, beeing connected to the
>> database.
>>
>> Meanwhile the WSPR-2 decode= r performance seems to have much improved. So, it may be interesting t= o
>> try the 'old' tool of Markus together with= the latest WSPR-2 decoder.
>>
&= gt;> What do you think? Do you still have the config files and so o= n?
>>
>> Worth a try?
>>
>> 73, Stefan
>>
>> PS: 137.620 kHz is right in the W= SPR-15 defined slot. I think this is why my coil is resonant
>> there ;-)

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