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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: PS: Argo "QRSS 90 slow" may be even better.  73, Markus -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 11. Nov. 2018 2:02 Betreff: Re: LF: 1476 kHz AM Marcus, [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [74.6.129.41 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.6 FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA Forged mail pretending to be from Mozilla X-Scan-Signature: 9017ec5d437aa3cf7a861e55bb37c8a3 Subject: Re: LF: 1476 kHz AM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_334618_1353388515.1541898408185" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ------=_Part_334618_1353388515.1541898408185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PS: Argo "QRSS 90=C2=A0slow" may be even better.=C2=A0 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 11. Nov. 2018 2:02 Betreff: Re: LF: 1476 kHz AM Marcus, thanks for the uploads.=C2=A0The strong carrier seems to be the drifting on= e which used to be=C2=A0the swinger, and it=C2=A0is also visible around Ral= ph's line=C2=A0on http://df6nm.darc.de/mf/1476kHz.jpg=C2=A0. In your=C2=A02= 1:28 screenshot, we can see that at 21:00 UT it=C2=A0was at +0.2 Hz like in= my=C2=A0spectrogram.=C2=A0There's also another carrier at -0.8 to -1.0 Hz = which is also visible at the Bottom of my screen. In the later screenshots, the carriers on your scale seem to=C2=A0have move= d a bit lower than mine, so your RX may have drifted up by 0.1 Hz or so.=20 Now at 00:40 the "ex-swinger" carrier=C2=A0suddenly dipped down, and therea= fter went through one=C2=A0thermostat triangle. This will hopefully make it= easier to detect Ralph's carrier.=C2=A0 May I suggest that you=C2=A0switch=C2=A0your Argo setting to=C2=A0"60 secon= d slow"? This will be more sensitive, and make our timescales a bit more si= milar. Best 73, Markus=C2=A0=C2=A0 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Marcus PY3CRX PY2PLL An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 11. Nov. 2018 1:10 Betreff: Re: LF: 1476 kHz AM Hi Markus =20 Well the time I logged in to this RX the map still showing the RX was in t= he dark area. May be I express myself in a wrong way, I meant that at this = receiver an erractic carrier was stronger than I was able to test on europe= an RX (India =3D nil, Phliliphines only a square/sawthoot tipical from sort= of PLL generation). =20 Nothing close to this settled state. Yesterday was really evident the swin= g. =20 Now 00:00UTC, Iran Carrier is nice. Some say it's a 20KW stn. =20 This is a one drive folder with some captures: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AqqMI-j= tF8uHiJAW_0uWjnEYVVVoQw =20 73 Marcus PY2PLL =20 Em 10/11/2018 21:11, Markus Vester escreveu: =20 =20 Hi Marcus, =20 yes=C2=A0a GPS 1 Hz comb would surely help.=C2=A0Iran is currently moving = between +259.2 and 259.5 Hz, and might be useful=C2=A0to identify the right= 1 Hz=C2=A0harmonic.=20 =20 The "swinger" stopped oscillating after 18:20,=C2=A0and=C2=A0after some er= ratic drift seems to have more or less settled around +0.3 Hz now. I would = be surprised if it really came from East Asia as it would probably have fad= ed out=C2=A0earlier than 4 UT.=C2=A0Since 21:50,=C2=A0another weak one came= up around -0.02 Hz. =20 Ralph is still steady at +0.411 Hz, plus minus a=C2=A0mHz. =20 Best 73, Markus =20 =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Marcus PY3CRX PY2PLL An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 10. Nov. 2018 23:42 Betreff: Re: LF: 1476 kHz AM =20 hI ... =20 The thermostat swinger is "strong" in a Vietnam KiWi SDR =20 Propagation not ok tonight, no signal from this "reference" here now ... =20 I have 3 carriers detected, all stable and close to center freq (.5Hz diff= erece) so hard to say who's who. =20 I don't have a GPS reference to verify my own calibration. May be some com= b generator from a pps helps. =20 73 Marcus PY2PLL =20 =20 =20 Em 10/11/2018 19:40, Markus Vester escreveu: =20 =20 Thanks Laurence - another long shot ;-) How accurate is your frequency= readout? Seems like=C2=A0MW broadcasters are hardly ever exactly on freque= ncy. =20 The "thermostat swinger" came in=C2=A0up about 1 Hz low=C2=A0in the evenin= g http://df6nm.darc.de/mf/1476kHz_181110_1840.jpg and now appears to have settled to a more irregular pattern between 0 and = + 0.4 Hz above nominal. A local screenshot with hourly update is here: http://df6nm.darc.de/mf/1476kHz.jpg =20 Best 73, Markus =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Laurence KL7 L An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Verschickt: Sa, 10. Nov. 2018 21:49 Betreff: Re: LF: 1476 kHz AM =20 #yiv5020928669 -- P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv5020928669 =20 Morning from Alaska - I was a little late in shoving the North bound beam o= ver the pole and taking a look at 1476kHz -=C2=A0 We have numerous=C2=A0 co= -channel=C2=A0stations on Oz, China, Indonesia and Russia and I tried to re= duce them using the K9AY=C2=A0 but I dont think Im seeing anything yet. =20 =20 =20 It wasnt a particularly good night . Ill take another look at sun down in a= few hours. Notice the abrupt turn off for one or more transmitters, and s= omeone LF=C2=A0 of 1476=C2=A0appears to have a lot of recurring on/off/wobb= le about...=C2=A0 I also have a 1Kw station within a mile on 1430 which is = putting out some low freq rumblings which isnt helping. =20 =20 =20 It does Happen occasionally as Ive heard Moray Firth and North Sound radios= =C2=A0 on MW from this side. =20 =20 =20 73 Laurence KL7L KL1X =20 =20 http://kl7l.com/1476.jpg =20 =20 Hi Lubos, Dave, Chris, great news! Thank you so much for listening = and reporting.=20 =20 Chris,=C2=A0I'm pretty sure that Ralph will love to read about your receiv= er! =20 Best 73, Markus =20 - =20 =20 =20 Von meinem Samsung Ger=C3=A4t gesendet. =20 =20 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Gesendet:=C2=A0Freitag, 09. November 2018 um 00:39 Uhr= =20 Von:=C2=A0"Markus Vester" =20 An:=C2=A0 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Betreff:=C2=A0LF: 1476 kHz AM After the sad demise of all LW and = MW broadcasts in Germany, a handful of pioneers came up who are operating= legal low-powered medium wave stations in the context of=C2=A0a radio mus= eum or for=C2=A0educational purposes. One of them is Ralph (DL2NDO, one of= the participants in the legendary Donebach 137 kHz activation in 2002). = He=C2=A0has obtained a transmitting license for 1476 kHz (former frequenc= y of Vienna Bisamberg),=C2=A0built=C2=A0a 3 Watt AM transmitter, and with= the help of a small team raised=C2=A0a quarterwave=C2=A0antenna on the Fr= aunhofer premises south of=C2=A0Erlangen (JN59MN21HF).=20 =20 Yesterday they got on air for the first time, running a preliminary test= transmission consisting of switched 1000 Hz beeps (one second on, one se= cond off, audio frequency locked to the RF carrier). This pattern will be= =C2=A0continued for a few days, before they will eventually.take over the = audio from the=C2=A0local DAB student radio "funklust".=20 =20 The current test pattern is relatively easy to make out in the noise so = it may be a good chance for some DX detections. =C2=A0At night we've actu= ally heard the beeps on=C2=A0Twente SDR and a couple of German Kiwi-SDRs.= =C2=A0But I guess using=C2=A0narrowband signal processing techniques, the = carrier and coherent tones could make it much further. The carrier freque= ncy=C2=A0is derived from an OCXO and is currently at 1476000.411 Hz.=20 =20 Will anyone in the group take the challenge?=20 =20 Best 73,=20 Markus (DF6NM) =20 =20 =20 =20 =C2=A0 =20 =20 =20 ------=_Part_334618_1353388515.1541898408185 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
PS: Argo "QRSS 90 slow" may be even bet= ter.  73, Markus


-----U= rspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <mar= kusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org>
Verschickt: So, 11. Nov. 2018 2:02
Betreff: Re: LF: 1476 kHz AM

=
Marcus,

thanks for the uploads. The strong car= rier seems to be the drifting one which used to be the swinger, and it=  is also visible around Ralph's line on http://d= f6nm.darc.de/mf/1476kHz.jpg . In your 21:28 screenshot, we ca= n see that at 21:00 UT it was at +0.2 Hz like in my spectrogram.&= nbsp;There's also another carrier at -0.8 to -1.0 Hz which is also visible = at the Bottom of my screen.

In the later screenshots, the carriers on your scale seem to&= nbsp;have moved a bit lower than mine, so your RX may have drifted up by 0.= 1 Hz or so.

N= ow at 00:40 the "ex-swinger" carrier suddenly dipped down, and thereaf= ter went through one thermostat triangle. This will hopefully make it = easier to detect Ralph's carrier. 

May I suggest that you switch your Argo= setting to "60 second slow"? This will be more sensitive, and make ou= r timescales a bit more similar.

Best 73,
Markus  = ;


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Marcus PY3CRX PY2PLL <py2pll@py.qsl.br>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>= ;
Verschickt: So, 11. Nov. 2018 1:10
Betreff: Re: LF: 1476 kHz AM

Hi Markus

Well the time I logged in to this RX the map still showing the RX was in the dark area. May be I express myself in a wrong way, I meant that at this receiver an erractic carrier was stronger than I was able to test on european RX (India =3D nil, Phliliphines only a square/sawthoot tipical from sort of PLL generation).

Nothing close to this settled state. Yesterday was really evident the swing.

Now 00:00UTC, Ira= n Carrier is nice. Some say it's a 20KW stn.

This is a one drive folder with some captures: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AqqMI-jtF8uHiJAW_0= uWjnEYVVVoQw

73
Marcus
PY2PLL
Em 10/11/2018 2= 1:11, Markus Vester escreveu:
Hi Marcus,

yes a GPS 1 Hz comb would surely help. Iran is currentl= y moving between +259.2 and 259.5 Hz, and might be useful to identify the right 1 Hz harmonic.

The "swinger" stopped oscillating after 18:20, and afte= r some erratic drift seems to have more or less settled around +0.3 Hz now. I would be surprised if it really came from East Asia as it would probably have faded out earlier than 4 UT. = Since 21:50, another weak one came up around -0.02 Hz.

Ralph is still steady at +0.411 Hz, plus minus a mHz.

Best 73,
Markus


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Marcus PY3CRX PY2PLL <py2pll@py.qsl.br>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Sa, 10. Nov. 2018 23:42
Betreff: Re: LF: 1476 kHz AM

hI ...

The thermostat swinger is "strong" in a Vietnam KiWi SDR

Propagation not ok tonight, no signal from this "reference" here now ...

I have 3 carriers detected, all stable and close to center freq (.5Hz differece) so hard to say who's who.

I don't have a GPS reference to verify my own calibration. May be some comb generator from a pps helps.

73
Marcus
PY2PLL



Em 10/11/2018 19:40, Markus Vester escreveu:
Thanks Laurence - another long shot ;-) How accurate is your frequency readout? Seems like MW broadcasters are hardly ever exactly on frequency.

The "thermostat swinger" came in up about 1 Hz low&n= bsp;in the evening
http://df6nm.darc.de/mf/1476k= Hz_181110_1840.jpg
and now appears to have settled to a more irregular pattern between 0 and + 0.4 Hz above nominal. A local screenshot with hourly update is here:
http://df6nm.darc.de/mf/1476kHz.jpg
Best 73,
Markus

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Laurence KL7 L <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Sa, 10. Nov. 2018 21:49
Betreff: Re: LF: 1476 kHz AM

Morning from Alaska - I was a little late in shoving the North bound beam over the pole and taking a look at 1476kHz -  We have numerous  co-channel stations on Oz, Chin= a, Indonesia and Russia and I tried to reduce them using the K9AY  but I dont think Im seeing anything yet.


It wasnt a particularly good night . Ill take another look at sun down in a few hours. Notice the abrupt turn off for one or more transmitters, and someone LF  of 1476 appears to have a lot of recurring on/off/wobble about...  I also have a 1Kw station within a mile on 1430 which is putting out some low freq rumblings which isnt helping.


It does Happen occasionally as Ive heard Moray Firth and North Sound radios  on M= W from this side.


73 Laurence KL7L KL1X


http://kl7l.com/1476.jpg


Hi Lubos, Dave, Ch= ris, great news! Thank you so much for listening and reporting.

Chris, I'm pretty sure that Ralph will love to read about your receiver!

Best 73,
Markus

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Von meinem Samsung Ger=C3=A4t gesendet.
 &n= bsp;
Gesendet: Freitag, 09. November 2018 um 00:39 Uhr
Von:=  "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
An:<= /b>  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betr= eff: LF: 1476 kHz AM
After the sad demise of all LW and MW broadcasts in Germany, a handful of pioneers came up who are operating legal low-powered medium wave stations in the context of a radio museum or for educatio= nal purposes. One of them is Ralph (DL2NDO, one of the participants in the legendary Donebach 137 kHz activation in 2002). He has obtained a transmitting license for 1476 kHz (former frequency of Vienna Bisamberg), = built a 3 Watt AM transmitter, and with the help of a small team raised a quarterwave = antenna on the Fraunhofer premises south of Erlangen (JN59MN21HF).

Yesterday they got on air for the first time, running a preliminary test transmission consisting of switched 1000 Hz beeps (one second on, one second off, audio frequency locked to the RF carrier). This pattern will be continued for a few days, before they will eventually.take over the audio from the loc= al DAB student radio "funklust".

The current test pattern is relatively easy to make out in the noise so it may be a good chance for some DX detections.  At night we've actually heard the beeps on Twente SD= R and a couple of German Kiwi-SDRs. B= ut I guess using narrow= band signal processing techniques, the carrier and coherent tones could make it much further. The carrier frequency is derived from an OCXO and is currently at 1476000.411 Hz.

Will anyone in the group take the challenge?

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)


 

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