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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hi Luis, Markus, LF Yes, Luis. Like Markus said, you're using a wrong position to change the phase. With Tony IK1HGI, we have tested a solution to produce a correct BPSK modulation using a G0MRF PA schematic. 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000815fd80577630698" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --000000000000815fd80577630698 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Luis, Markus, LF Yes, Luis. Like Markus said, you're using a wrong position to change the phase. With Tony IK1HGI, we have tested a solution to produce a correct BPSK modulation using a G0MRF PA schematic. Here's the link to Tony's website page, that explained clearly what to do: https://www.qsl.net/ik1hgi/472khz/modulatore.htm In short, the XOR operation must be carried out after the x2 stage (D-ff, CD4013) simultaneously on Q and Q denied signals. All the best 73 de Riccardo IW4DXW Il 04 Ott 2018 07:37, "VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez" ha scritto: Hi Markus, EbNaut It was me, with 80w from the D class PA I'm producing 180=C2=B0 phase shifts with xor at 2x the frequency to feed t= he PA. So it seems that the PA do also reduce phase shifts to half :( Which would be the way to do it ? Congratulations for the EbNaut grabbers 73 de Luis EA5DOM El 3 oct. 2018 11:29 p. m., Markus Vester escribi=C3= =B3: Between 19:58 and 20:28 there was a strong and stable signal on 137490.0 Hz, coming in from west or southwest. However the keying seemed to be in 90=C2=B0 steps instead of 180=C2=B0, so not decodable. Maybe a problem with= a /2 divider in the transmit chain? Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) --000000000000815fd80577630698 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Luis, = Markus, LF

Yes, Luis.=C2=A0Like Markus said, you're usin= g a wrong position to change the phase.
With Tony IK1HGI, = we have tested a solution to produce a correct BPSK modulation using a G0MR= F PA schematic. Here's the link to Tony's website page, that explai= ned clearly what to do:



In short, the XOR = operation must be carried out after the x2 stage (D-ff, CD4013) simultaneou= sly on Q and Q denied signals.

All the best
<= div>


73 de Riccardo IW4DXW





Il 04 Ott 2018 07:37, "VIGILANT L= uis Fern=C3=A1ndez" <luis@vigilant.es> ha scritto:
Hi Markus, EbNaut

It was me, with 80w from the D class PA

I'm producing 180=C2=B0 phase shifts with xor at 2x t= he frequency to feed the PA. So it seems that the PA do also reduce phase s= hifts to half :(

Which would be the way to do it ?

Congratulations for the EbNaut grabbers

73 de Luis
EA5DOM

El 3 oct. 2018 11:29 p. m., Markus Vester <= markusvester@aol.com> escribi=C3=B3:
Between 19:58 and 20:28 there was a strong and stable signal on 137490.0 Hz= , coming in from west or southwest. However the keying seemed to be in 90= =C2=B0 steps instead of 180=C2=B0, so not decodable. Maybe=C2=A0a problem w= ith a=C2=A0/2 divider in the transmit chain?

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

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