Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id w98LNOb3013436 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 23:23:30 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1g9co2-0004Io-6a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 22:11:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1g9cj7-0004IG-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 22:06:05 +0100 Received: from mail-qt1-x834.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::834]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91_59-0488984) (envelope-from ) id 1g9cir-0003X0-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 22:05:53 +0100 Received: by mail-qt1-x834.google.com with SMTP id e10-v6so11413496qtq.12 for ; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 14:05:49 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=XqyvTrtF0fhC72lw5ne4OBUXjZOCilnOsSVgwj0InRs=; b=NrLROvW6C9O3+3DPiJG3kh+SVzE4yAitstmtyuBzligOel/5iGOaSEAk2HFH5ArKpC 7sQvoBKZQP1ojb3/9xa2LHlFYUJ9NroAdYGSAkN5TR7TVcrA6paEAlpNxAFyeJKtlw9y Sw3AU6q9O02SD81NW5ZX5I17b5yxgLKhC588XD2YoJT2vWexd/odaM0HvoC/Wxf5HVZx FW5PGtzgDYz3gFCDvbGobEXs1tW1ap/tyxDzCSeRPa9M8a6vnEpO/BlQkjKcohQiIvMn oHlzNFCijG975BQUxvTjtW+TYF66mxyrKYwb51zA6rrAlfT4YLRX96cgnsfcV3z86KUg Crzg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=XqyvTrtF0fhC72lw5ne4OBUXjZOCilnOsSVgwj0InRs=; b=NliaHmvSNDZG9vNf5djMDo69eGFlHAnCqq/iW2L+Aq4kdZA34L1OceqFCPYT1fOAO6 Pduo4QjV7x/vSNI47N01PbvFCRjCmt9eF/+F7NraW6y1EP9ko4Mm+DLz1Ztzzqy7IHub lKEZDO+oRUGrnCryKy5feBbFaArDk7s84d5jXQzcXriJDzIrtWhdBC7z+5URpf2LA7SD O/F/eBeoCJfbxCAzR1qNZy8B8pZvpVVVMg01Gr41nt2eTfFlhVu5Vvmaym/dip33NIeF D62lVt9gAdtUc53y9KIR1jlUqm5G/bVcmne9rQkZCiMTm1RlMsAzg+KV7lo5yC1QG7jB i2Sg== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfohGp1ZL0InVrIi9J47F7XC5dfXugZ2kP4uzNtYmGhtyQJTGhJ5r 1UjfkpNSeIZN2unW48L7xDC+YTYaqrYWUUD2clH2BA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV604LDaEAtwMIa8Kw610H0qlcfbH7lF1qPqGKRGpd8sXUZ1Vw17USEC7AItAPeCwJQlzbJmc1A0NeQokGijfbcI= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:256e:: with SMTP id 43-v6mr20794855qtn.88.1539032747821; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 14:05:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: David Bowman Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 21:05:33 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LF: Class E PA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003b4d040577bdfca1" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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If it helps, I believe nearly all broadcast transmitters keep the drive running and then key the supply to the many paralleled FETs in the PA. Of course, that also is a neat way of applying AM as pulse width modulation......but I'm sure it will be fine for your system of modulation too. 73 David On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:52 PM DK1IS wrote: > Hello Group, > > Planning a new single-ended Class E PA for my activities on the Dreamers > Band (8.27 kHz) two questions came up - perhaps someone can help me: > - Being interested only in on-off-keying I=C2=B4m concerned about the > capacitor in parallel to the power FET which in my case on VLF will be in > the uF range. If the DC supply is on and without gate drive this capacito= r > is charged to the DC supply voltage. At the first positive gate pulse it > discharges via the drain-source-path, the current being limited only by > parasitc impedances - a poorly defined condition which usually has to be > avoided. Does this mean that I have to apply drive continously and key th= e > DC power supply only, perhaps synchronously to the next positive drive > pulse? > > - Is there any rule of thumb for the inductance of the rf choke in the > drain-power supply path? > > Thanks for any idea! > > 73, > Tom, DK1IS > www.qrz.com/db/dk1is > --0000000000003b4d040577bdfca1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tom.

If it helps, I belie= ve nearly all broadcast transmitters keep the drive running and then key th= e supply to the many paralleled FETs in the PA.
Of course, that a= lso is a neat way of applying AM as pulse width modulation......but I'm= sure it will be fine for your system of modulation too.

73

David

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:52 PM DK1IS <DK1IS@kabelmail.de> wrote:
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Hello Group,

Planning a new single-ended Class E PA for my activities on the Dreamers Band (8.27 kHz) two questions came up - perhaps someone can help me:

-=C2=A0 Being interested only in on-off-keying I=C2=B4m concerned about the capacit= or in parallel to the power FET which in my case on VLF will be in the uF range. If the DC supply is on and without gate drive this capacitor is charged to the DC supply voltage. At the first positive gate pulse it discharges via the drain-source-path, the current being =C2=A0limited only by parasitc impedances - a poorly defined condition which usually has to be avoided. Does this mean that I have to apply drive continously and key the DC power supply only, perhaps synchronously to the next positive drive pulse?
=C2=A0
-=C2=A0
Is there any rule of thumb for the inductance of the rf choke in the drain-power supply path?

Thanks for any idea!

73,
Tom, DK1IS
www.qrz.com/db/dk1is=

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