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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Am 09.10.2018 um 19:20 schrieb DK7FC: > Hi Tom, > > Why do you decide for a class-E at all? Do you see any actual > advantage over a class D? > > 73, Stefan Hi Stefan, A very good question! Knowing you are a dedicated class D fan I have to choose my words carefully ;-) ! - Well, I think class E would fit my personal needs best: [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f3d1da032404cd5ad9531631c09e3b44 Subject: Re: LF: Class E PA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C8E074D7921A0201EFDA7977" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C8E074D7921A0201EFDA7977 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp.kabelmail.de id w9BDURNg017262 Am 09.10.2018 um 19:20 schrieb DK7FC: > Hi Tom, > > Why do you decide for a class-E at all? Do you see any actual=20 > advantage over a class D? > > 73, Stefan Hi Stefan, A very good question! Knowing you are a dedicated class D fan I have to=20 choose my words carefully ;-) ! - Well, I think class E would fit my=20 personal needs best: * single ended circuit, that means no timing problems at square wave drive with 50% duty cycle * no fiddling with dead times or double frequency drive * 28 V DC power supply is well sufficient for 180 W output bringing about 18 kV rms to my antenna at a current of 0.6 A (and that=C2=B4s = the voltage limit of the antenna) * omission of all transformers between PA and the feeding point of the antenna: matching is part of the output network and so is the regular cable capacity * fine tuning can be done in the shack * perhaps even a little bit more efficiency than class D - but that=C2=B4= s not so important Meanwhile I found out that my nice commercial power supply (Ascom Frako,=20 24/26.8/28.2 V, 20 A, short-circuit proof, "unkaputtbar") has a control=20 input at logic level for a DC softstart with a time constant about 100=20 ms which won=C2=B4t affect the long lasting signals at vlf and avoids any= key=20 clicks. I=C2=B4ll use this input for keying thus omitting the problem wit= h=20 the first positive gate pulse. Drive will be there all the time with=20 constant phase and asynchronous soft keying is done via the power supply. 73, Tom, DK1IS www.qrz.com/db/dk1is --------------C8E074D7921A0201EFDA7977 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp.kabelmail.de id w9BDURNg017262
Am 09.10.2018 um 19:20 schrieb DK7FC:<= br>
Hi Tom,

Why do you decide for a class-E at all? Do you see any actual advantage over a class D?

73, Stefan


Hi Stefan,

A very good question! Knowing you are a dedicated class D fan I have to choose my words carefully ;-) ! - Well, I think class E would fit my personal needs best:
  • single ended circuit, that means no timing problems at square wave drive with 50% duty cycle
  • no fiddling with dead times or double frequency drive
  • 28 V DC power supply is well sufficient for 180 W output bringing about 18 kV rms to my antenna at a current of 0.6 A (and that=C2=B4s the voltage limit of the antenna)
  • omission of all transformers between PA and the feeding point of the antenna: matching is part of the output network and so is the regular cable capacity
  • fine tuning can be done in the shack
  • perhaps even a little bit more efficiency than class D - but that=C2=B4s not so important

Meanwhile I found out that my nice commercial power supply (Ascom Frako, 24/26.8/28.2 V, 20 A, short-circuit proof, "unkaputtbar") has a control input at logic level for a DC softstart with a time constant about 100 ms which won=C2=B4t affect the long lasting sign= als at vlf and avoids any key clicks. I=C2=B4ll use this input for keyi= ng thus omitting the problem with the first positive gate pulse. Drive will be there all the time with constant phase and asynchronous soft keying is done via the power supply.

73,
Tom, DK1IS
www.qrz.com/db/dk1is

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