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From: Tobias DG3LV <DG3LV@gmx.net>
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 11:57:41 +0200
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Subject: Re: Re: LF: Re: 137 kHz WSPR-2 on a 900m long ground loop, this
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Hi Stefan !

>> Also the software just reports JN39 instead of JN39WI.

The cause of this is : The WSPRNET server software just receives "JO39" 
from all RECEIVING stations, because this is what is transmitted 
standardly on WSPR. As long as you yourself are not connected online to 
WSPRNET.org (by running K1JT software) during transmit the server does 
not know about your 6 Character locator. The server will get your long 
locator only by internet from you running K1JT software, i.e. the source 
of the long locator information is you yourself and not the receiving 
stations.

If you want to transmit your 6-char locator by air you have to use the 
corresponding option of the K1JT software (as Mal and PA0 stations are 
doing). But by using this, you always will need 2 consecutive transmit 
periods to transmit the complete information.

first transmit in log :
171016 2056  23  -8  0.4   0.475700  G3KEV IO94 37

second transmit in log :
171016 2106  18 -14  0.3   0.475700  <G3KEV> IO94SH 37

At the second transmit only a hash-value of the original callsign is 
transmitted, displayed as : <G3KEV>

73 de dg3lv Tobias

Am 08.09.2018 um 22:42 schrieb DK7FC:
> Thanks to the many stations beeing RX-active on LF WSPR tonite.
> 
> It is very strange, the SNR reported by the stations below 500 km 
> distance was very good in daytime but now at night there are not more 
> stations receiving me, except 2 reports by 2E0ILY.
> Also the software just reports JN39 instead of JN39WI.
> Maybe some reports are not uploaded or shown on the database, because of 
> conflicting locators for the same callsign?
> I can hardly imagine that nothing comes through at night. Very odd.
> Does someone have an explanation what can cause these good results 
> during the day and such bad results at night?
> 
> 73, Stefan
> 
> PS: My QRG is 137.425 kHz and starts each xx:x0 (each 10 minutes). Maybe 
> someone can see somethning on the waterfall display?
> 
> 
> Am 08.09.2018 19:57, schrieb g3kevmal@talktalk.net:
>> Only M0DSZ decoded on 136
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
>> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 4:24 PM
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: LF: Re: 137 kHz WSPR-2 on a 900m long ground loop, this weekend
>>
>> Nil to report at my QTH ur QRG 136 USB ie 137.425 RF FREQ
>> 73 GL MAL/G3KEV
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: DK7FC
>> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 1:45 PM
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: 137 kHz WSPR-2 on a 900m long ground loop, this 
>> weekend
>>
>> RR,
>>
>> Now, since 12 UTC the TX is in its final position and runs each 10
>> minutes. It will run for 24 hours or so.
>> So far the results are quite satisfying, for just 10 watts. With 100 W,
>> we could have a CW QSO in the groundwave range. Did you expect that?
>>
>> Let's see what the night brings. Also the radiation pattern will be
>> interesting...
>>
>> More reports from more stations are welcome :-)
>>
>> 73, Stefan
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 08.09.2018 14:02, schrieb Clemens Paul:
>>> Hi Genosse Stefan,
>>>
>>>   2018-09-08 11:56   DK7FC   0.137425   -17   -1   JN39   1   DL4RAJ 
>>> JN68kj   449   103
>>>   2018-09-08 11:56   DK7FC   0.137425   -11   0   JN39   1   DL0AO 
>>> JN59vk 349   89
>>>   2018-09-08 11:08   DK7FC   0.137425   -10   0   JN39   1   DL0AO 
>>> JN59vk 349   89
>>>   2018-09-08 11:56   DK7FC   0.137425   -22   0   JN39   1   PI4THT 
>>> JO32kf 306   359
>>>   2018-09-08 11:08   DK7FC   0.137424   -22   0   JN39   1   PI4THT 
>>> JO32kf 306   359
>>>   2018-09-08 11:56   DK7FC   0.137429   -18   0   JN39   1   DC0DX/RF 
>>> JO31lk   218   0
>>>   2018-09-08 11:56   DK7FC   0.137425   -26   0   JN39   1   DC5AL-R 
>>> JO31lk   218   0
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Clemens
>>> DL4RAJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of DK7FC
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 1:18 PM
>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: 137 kHz WSPR-2 on a 900m long ground
>>>> loop, this weekend
>>>>
>>>> Genossen!
>>>>
>>>> I just matched the antenna and run some WSPR-2 transmissions
>>>> on 137.425 kHz.
>>>>
>>>> I'm getting 260 mA antenna current at 10 W RF power. So the
>>>> overall loss
>>>> resistance should be 150 Ohm (the wire has about 30 Ohm). For
>>>> resonating
>>>> i need about 2.5 nF in series to the wire.
>>>> So the feed point impedance is Z = 150 Ohm + j450 Ohm, still
>>>> behaving as
>>>> a loop. Quite a comfortable managable impedance. I had to wind
>>>> an output
>>>> transformer on a "RIK20" core (Reichelt!), which works very well. The
>>>> secondary number of turns was unknown at the beginning ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Regular transmissions will start in an hour or so.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Stefan
>>>>
>>>> Am 08.09.2018 12:07, schrieb Clemens Paul:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Genosse Stefan,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Will someone catch the signal at all? At least i'm already
>>>>>> asking for RX
>>>>>> stations!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I've just resonated my antenna aa inverted L on 137.5kHz (with 502µH)
>>>>> and wil be ready to receive in WSPR-2 as soon as you start.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Clemens
>>>>> DL4RAJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of DK7FC
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 1:49 PM
>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>>>>>> Subject: LF: 137 kHz WSPR-2 on a 900m long ground loop, this weekend
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Genosse Roman, LF,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yesterday i built a small LF PA providing 10 W at 50 Ohm. It
>>>>>> consumes 1
>>>>>> A at 12 VDC. I intend to run an over-night WSPR-2
>>>>>>
>>>> transmission (20% TX
>>>>
>>>>>> rate) on saturday night, using the ground loop or earth antenna in
>>>>>> JN39WI. The signal generator is a Raspberry Pi running on a
>>>>>>
>>>> separate 7
>>>>
>>>>>> Ah lead gel accu. The PA has its own 7 Ah accu. The PA can
>>>>>>
>>>> switch from
>>>>
>>>>>> 2.5 W to 10 W :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will someone catch the signal at all? At least i'm already
>>>>>> asking for RX
>>>>>> stations!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll carry some measuring equipment there, like my M0BMU LF tuning
>>>>>> meter, some Cs, a T106-2 and some wire, also a small ferrite core to
>>>>>> build a transformer if necessary.
>>>>>> What could the feed point impedance be? I have no idea! My modified
>>>>>> MFJ-259B covers LF but i expect it will be overloaded with strong
>>>>>> signals on the antenna, so i try to match the antenna with the
>>>>>> transmitter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More soon :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73, Stefan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: Oh, i'm also going to connect two anti-parallel LEDs to
>>>>>> the antenna
>>>>>> to see if they shine. It is all a big game for old children!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 05.09.2018 23:54, schrieb Roman:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK Stefan.
>>>>>>> Try it to do. may be wonderful results.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Roman,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes maybe i'll build a quick PA tomorrow for LF and will
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> transmit on LF
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for 24 hours, each 10 minutes, WSPR-2. I have no idea at
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> all how this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> antenna performs on 137 kHz. Is it still a loop or rather a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> dipole or a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mixture? At least it has about the length of a full size
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> dipole for 137
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> kHz. I would TX at 10 W RF power only, so that a small accu
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> covers some
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hours. But i'm not yet sure if i can find the time to do it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> tomorrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 73, Stefan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PS: If the antenna acts as a dipole, then it is beaming to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Russia directly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 05.09.2018 21:42, schrieb Roman:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Congrts, Stefan!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are follow by your success!
>>>>>>>>> Listen, do you planning to operate 136 kHz, I hear, tell
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> me pse - do you planing try to TX with that ant on 477 kHz and 160M?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will be interestin to hear about results.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 73!
>>>>>>>>> Roman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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