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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, congrats for that ufb earth antenna experience! You have certainly seen it already: from 9 to 10 UTC there was a clear trace from the east at Paul´s grabber: http://78.46.38.217/fbins3.html#p=1532782800&b=110&s=sp&m=cardioid&w=r&h=62&z1=0.34&z2=0.64&c=1 - it should have been your signal! But sorry: at a first glance no signal at the DL0AO grabber but we have a lot of heavy QRN here today. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP,PLING_QUERY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by klubnl.pl id w6SFMAI6003616 Hi Stefan, congrats for that ufb earth antenna experience! You have certainly seen it already: from 9 to 10 UTC there was a clear trace from the east at Paul´s grabber: http://78.46.38.217/fbins3.html#p=1532782800&b=110&s=sp&m=cardioid&w=r&h=62&z1=0.34&z2=0.64&c=1 - it should have been your signal! But sorry: at a first glance no signal at the DL0AO grabber but we have a lot of heavy QRN here today. 73 es gl, Tom, DK1IS Am 28.07.2018 um 11:43 schrieb DK7FC: > Hi VLF, > > I'm sitting in my car while writing this email. I'm in JN39WI96GX and > i transmit on 8270.000 Hz with a GPS locked signal generator into an > about 450 m long earth antenna using two guide rails as the earth > electrodes on both ends. On each end there are 16 (18) massive T-T > poles holding the guide rail, providing a super good earth coupling. I > measured that they are connected to each other. > The transmitter is on the air since 9:08 UTC running 550 mA with just > 75 W DC inout power into my hand warm lossy linear mode VLF PA! > > I'm amazed about the low losses! At DC i got 447 mA at 50.9 V. The > wire is 0.4 mm diameter so it has 63 Ohm. That means the ground loss > is just 50 Ohm !!!! Amazing! And i have no efforts to build up a > ground connection here, i just need to connect the wire. Since the > wire losses are higher than the ground losses, i can get maybe 2 dB > more signal when buying some better wire. I already found a source > that offers 0.75 mm^2 100 m loudspeaker cable (i.e. 200m wire)for just > 13 EUR.... > > BTW i even have an ugly old scope here which is battery powered. I can > see that the phase of voltage and current is slightly inductive, maybe > 30 deg or so. So i could series resonate the antenna with some C. This > is for the next experiment... > > The signal becomes visible on my grabber now, in 424 uHz and also some > bright pixels in the 3.8 mHz window. > > I'm going to stop the carrier at 10:08 UTC, after 1 hour. Then i'll > continue on 5.17 kHz! > BTW the antenna , if it works like a real loop, is beaming directly to > Paul Nicholson ;-) > > 73, Stefan