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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Congrats, Genosse LF-Funkamateur Markus! If the ebnaut use a simple prog like WSJT-X now - it will be mass phenomenon! 73! Roman > This morning I attempted to transmit from a small ferrite antenna. It consists of a number of 9 mm diameter ferrite rods, with 7 bundled in parallel. The bundles were stacked with overlap to ~ 35 cm total length, and n=47 turns of litz wire were wound around the middle. Total ferrite cross section is a=4.45 cm^2 and volume V=156 cm^3, weighing 0.77 kg (including the coil). The coil was resonated and matched by several 1 nF high-Q ceramic capacitors. > > Under small signal conditions (-17 dBm), the electric parameters at 137.5 kHz were > L = 0.50 mH, R = 0.62 ohm, Q = 690. > > Applying about half a watt significantly increased inductance and losses, and the tuning became sharply hysteretic ("jumpy"). For fine tuning, a small rod was placed at a variable distance beside the antenna. > Then I connected my PA and drove about 25 Watts into the antenna. Losses and inductance increased further: > I = 1.3 A, U = 867 V (rms), L = 0.77 mH, R = 14.8 ohmn, Q = 45, > with the Q-factor now so low that tuning jumps disappeared again. The central part under the coil became quite hot, so a tiny fan was added which held the steady-state temperature at ~55 °C. > > From the induced voltage we can calculate the flux density in the middle of the rod as > B = U / n / a / omega = 48 mT (rms), > decreasing approximately linearly toward the ends (similar to a small electric dipole). The average Bav=24 mT then results in a dipole moment of > iA = V Bav / µ0 = 156 cm^3 * 24 mT / µ0 = 3.0 Am^2 > which results in a radiated power > EMRP = 62.34 kohm * iA^2 / lambda^4 = 25 nW. > Thus the efficiency of this transmit antenna is only 1 ppb ! > > Anyway I attempted to detect the tiny signal on the DL0AO LF grabber, 48 km from here: > https://lf.u01.de > Transmitting on 137.780 kHz (6:29 to 8:22 UT) indeed produced a detectable trace in the QRSS-60 window (below the Slonim Loran line on 137781.25 Hz). Then I attempted to send a 4-character EbNaut transmission on 137.510 KHz, which was successfully decoded with some margin. > > Now if that's [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [2a02:6b8:0:1a72:0:0:0:28a listed in] [list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rw3adb[at]yandex.ru) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: Re: LF: Transmitting with a small ferrite antenna Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Congrats, Genosse LF-Funkamateur Markus! If the ebnaut use a simple prog like WSJT-X now - it will be mass phenomenon! 73! Roman > This morning I attempted to transmit from a small ferrite antenna. It consists of a number of 9 mm diameter ferrite rods, with 7 bundled in parallel. The bundles were stacked with overlap to ~ 35 cm total length, and n=47 turns of litz wire were wound around the middle. Total ferrite cross section is a=4.45 cm^2 and volume V=156 cm^3, weighing 0.77 kg (including the coil). The coil was resonated and matched by several 1 nF high-Q ceramic capacitors. > > Under small signal conditions (-17 dBm), the electric parameters at 137.5 kHz were > L = 0.50 mH, R = 0.62 ohm, Q = 690. > > Applying about half a watt significantly increased inductance and losses, and the tuning became sharply hysteretic ("jumpy"). For fine tuning, a small rod was placed at a variable distance beside the antenna. > Then I connected my PA and drove about 25 Watts into the antenna. Losses and inductance increased further: > I = 1.3 A, U = 867 V (rms), L = 0.77 mH, R = 14.8 ohmn, Q = 45, > with the Q-factor now so low that tuning jumps disappeared again. The central part under the coil became quite hot, so a tiny fan was added which held the steady-state temperature at ~55 °C. > > From the induced voltage we can calculate the flux density in the middle of the rod as > B = U / n / a / omega = 48 mT (rms), > decreasing approximately linearly toward the ends (similar to a small electric dipole). The average Bav=24 mT then results in a dipole moment of > iA = V Bav / µ0 = 156 cm^3 * 24 mT / µ0 = 3.0 Am^2 > which results in a radiated power > EMRP = 62.34 kohm * iA^2 / lambda^4 = 25 nW. > Thus the efficiency of this transmit antenna is only 1 ppb ! > > Anyway I attempted to detect the tiny signal on the DL0AO LF grabber, 48 km from here: > https://lf.u01.de > Transmitting on 137.780 kHz (6:29 to 8:22 UT) indeed produced a detectable trace in the QRSS-60 window (below the Slonim Loran line on 137781.25 Hz). Then I attempted to send a 4-character EbNaut transmission on 137.510 KHz, which was successfully decoded with some margin. > > Now if that's not QRP... anyway fascinating, considering that the small ferrite antenna might be carried in a handbag, buried in the ground or taken to a cave. > > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) -- 73! Roman, RW3ADB