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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: REF recent discussion about MF antennas I have 3 antennas to choose from on MF/630M For TX i use a 1/4 wave inv L, vertical section 32 metres and rest horizontal. Next best RX antenna is MF/160M 1/4 wave inv L 26 metres vertical and rest horizontal again good capture area [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.135.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 1.6 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 318d3d373f5ffaa82e0969bd1985b258 Subject: LF: MF/630M ANTENNAS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01D401A6.43F92F70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D401A6.43F92F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable REF recent discussion about MF antennas I have 3 antennas to choose from on MF/630M For TX i use a 1/4 wave inv L, vertical section 32 metres and rest = horizontal. Next best RX antenna is MF/160M 1/4 wave inv L 26 metres vertical and = rest horizontal again good capture area Third antenna is a 1 metre magnetic loop and not as good as the above = two antennas because of smaller capture area. My experience on MF indicates that the larger the antenna the better the = signal because of the large capture area=20 Smaller antennas do work after a fashion ie loops with suitable rf amps = but some signals I cannot hear or are very weak compared to the larger = antennas as described above My QTH is out in the countryside well away from local urban noise and no = overhead power lines, all utility services to the property are = underground. QTH is an important factor when determining suitable antennas.=20 Conclusion:- Where possible use the largest antenna for the desired frequency , = antennas with a large capture areas. Small loops, active antennas even = with appropriate amplifiers are no substitute for the full size resonant = wire antennas on MF or LF Fortunately I have several antennas and can switch amongst them for = received signal comparisons ie sensitivity, signal over noise etc=20 For TX a 1/4 wave inv L as high as possible with suitable insulated = radials is a good performer also a full size 1 wavelength vertical quad = loop, or a full size dipole inv V=20 Smaller antennas with loading coils for resonance and matching although = functional are inefficient. 73 de MAL/G3KEV/IO94SH ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D401A6.43F92F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
REF recent discussion about MF antennas
I have 3 antennas to choose from on MF/630M
 
For TX i use a 1/4 wave inv L, vertical section 32 metres and rest=20 horizontal.
 
Next best RX antenna is MF/160M 1/4 wave inv L 26 metres vertical = and rest=20 horizontal again good capture area
 
Third antenna is a 1 metre magnetic loop and not as good as the = above two=20 antennas because of smaller capture area.
 
My experience on MF indicates that the larger the antenna the = better the=20 signal because of the large capture area
 
Smaller antennas do work after a fashion ie loops with suitable rf = amps but=20 some signals I cannot hear or are very weak compared to the larger = antennas as=20 described above
 
My QTH is out in the countryside well away from local urban noise = and no=20 overhead power lines, all utility services to the property are=20 underground.
 
QTH is an important factor when determining suitable antennas. =
 
Conclusion:-
 
Where possible use the largest antenna for the desired frequency , = antennas=20 with a large capture areas. Small loops, active antennas even with = appropriate=20 amplifiers are no substitute for the full size resonant wire antennas on = MF or=20 LF
 
Fortunately I have several antennas and can switch amongst them for = received signal comparisons ie sensitivity, signal over noise etc
For TX a 1/4 wave inv L as high as possible with suitable insulated = radials=20 is a good performer also a full size 1 wavelength vertical quad loop, or = a full=20 size dipole inv V
Smaller antennas with loading coils for resonance and matching = although=20 functional are inefficient.
 
 
 
 
 
73 de MAL/G3KEV/IO94SH
 
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