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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: QRG: *137522.000313 Hz* Il Dom 1 Apr 2018, 00:13 Riccardo Zoli ha scritto: > > Ok, Markus! Here, first transmission delayed at 2200 UTC (now running). > Then: > > message start on hour (xx:00); > 8K19A, CRC 20, 3 sec/sym, 6 char, duration 29' 36" > > GN 73 de IW4DXW > > Il Sab 31 Mar 2018, 23:46 Markus Vester ha scritto: > >> Hi Ric, all, >> >> if I can get it all to work I will join you tonight: >> >> 137520.000 Hz, 5 char, 8K19A CRC 16, 3 second symbols, start time 22:00, >> 23:00 etc (first half hour), duration 0:25:36 >> >> Hope that 2.00 Hz spacing (orthogonal modulation) between us will be ok >> as we are both on the European side. >> >> A test transmission has started at 21:30 (i.e. second half hour) >> >> Best 73, >> Markus (DF6NM) >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- >> Von: Riccardo Zoli >> An: LF Group >> Verschickt: Sa, 31. Mrz 2018 16:24 >> Betreff: Re: LF: EbNaut March 30/31 >> Hi Markus, LF >> >> Yes, 5 Hz are quite indequate for simultaneous EbNaut transmissions. >> Anyway, I switch in RX on the second half of every hour. Rob is working >> for RX capability, then, once he's ready, we could exchange TX and RX slots. >> QSY for me this evening at *137522.000313* for another TA attempt (many >> thanks, Jay) with same EbNaut parameters and scheduling. >> >> All the best >> 73 de Riccardo IW4DXW >> >> >> Il Sab 31 Mar 2018, 14:07 Markus Vester ha >> scritto: >> >> Again a strong signal with some error-free decodes from IW4DXW. Also >> found K3RWR finally on 137490 Hz, but only once after 4:00, and another >> near-miss around sunrise after 4:30 (logs attached). >> >> Rethinking my frequency suggestion, it may not be ideal to place >> simultaneous signals from both sides of the pond so near to each other. >> EbNaut employs hard-keyed phase switching both for the transmitter and for >> the matched filter in the receive software, so keying sidebands or aliasing >> from a near station may spill over an adjacent weak signal (although in >> principle this could be minimized [...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (riccardozoli80[at]gmail.com) 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (riccardozoli80[at]gmail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 78d45eae26b8e09cb3b944588f353c28 Subject: Re: LF: EbNaut March 31 / April 1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c19487ea0249b0568bd3646" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --94eb2c19487ea0249b0568bd3646 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable QRG: *137522.000313 Hz* Il Dom 1 Apr 2018, 00:13 Riccardo Zoli ha scritto: > > Ok, Markus! Here, first transmission delayed at 2200 UTC (now running). > Then: > > message start on hour (xx:00); > 8K19A, CRC 20, 3 sec/sym, 6 char, duration 29' 36" > > GN 73 de IW4DXW > > Il Sab 31 Mar 2018, 23:46 Markus Vester ha scritto= : > >> Hi Ric, all, >> >> if I can get it all to work I will join you tonight: >> >> 137520.000 Hz, 5 char, 8K19A CRC 16, 3 second symbols, start time 22:00, >> 23:00 etc (first half hour), duration 0:25:36 >> >> Hope that 2.00 Hz spacing (orthogonal modulation) between us will be ok >> as we are both on the European side. >> >> A test transmission has started at 21:30 (i.e. second half hour) >> >> Best 73, >> Markus (DF6NM) >> >> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- >> Von: Riccardo Zoli >> An: LF Group >> Verschickt: Sa, 31. Mrz 2018 16:24 >> Betreff: Re: LF: EbNaut March 30/31 >> Hi Markus, LF >> >> Yes, 5 Hz are quite indequate for simultaneous EbNaut transmissions. >> Anyway, I switch in RX on the second half of every hour. Rob is working >> for RX capability, then, once he's ready, we could exchange TX and RX sl= ots. >> QSY for me this evening at *137522.000313* for another TA attempt (many >> thanks, Jay) with same EbNaut parameters and scheduling. >> >> All the best >> 73 de Riccardo IW4DXW >> >> >> Il Sab 31 Mar 2018, 14:07 Markus Vester ha >> scritto: >> >> Again a strong signal with some error-free decodes from IW4DXW. Also >> found K3RWR finally on 137490 Hz, but only once after 4:00, and another >> near-miss around sunrise after 4:30 (logs attached). >> >> Rethinking my frequency suggestion, it may not be ideal to place >> simultaneous signals from both sides of the pond so near to each other. >> EbNaut employs hard-keyed phase switching both for the transmitter and f= or >> the matched filter in the receive software, so keying sidebands or alias= ing >> from a near station may spill over an adjacent weak signal (although in >> principle this could be minimized by orthogonal modulation, using identi= cal >> symbol timing for all stations, and frequencies spaced by an exact integ= er >> multiple of the common clockrate). But there are also other disadvantage= s, >> like noise-blanker induced crossmodulation and threshold increase. So in >> the end it may be better to use either separate timeslots or separate >> subbands, in analogy to our TA- and Eu-QRSS slots. >> >> Best 73, >> Markus (DF6NM) >> >> >> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- >> Von: Markus Vester >> An: rsgb_lf_group >> Verschickt: Fr, 30. Mrz 2018 23:03 >> Betreff: LF: EbNaut March 29/30 >> >> Last night Mar 29/30, I got excellent decodes from IW4DXW, but >> unfortunately not a single one from K3RWR on 137490 Hz. >> >> Best 73, >> Markus (DF6NM) >> ______________________________________ >> LF: EbNaut attempt at 137495 kHz >> Von: Riccardo Zoli >> An: LF Group >> Datum: Do, 29. Mrz 2018 19:53 >> >> Hi LF >> >> This night, I have scheduled some transmissions every hour (start at >> xx:00). >> >> QRG: 137494.99988 >> 8K19A >> CRC 20 >> 3 sec./sym. >> 6 char >> duration: 29 min. 36 sec. >> >> Reports are welcome. >> >> All the best >> >> 73 de Riccardo IW4DXW >> ______________________________________ >> Re: LF: K3RWR LF EbNaut Trial #2 >> Von: Rob Renoud >> An: rsgb_lf_group >> Datum: Do, 29. Mrz 2018 21:22 >> >> TU all for LF EbNaut reception reports for my 28/29 March 2018 trial of = a >> 12 char, CRC 15, 2 sec symbol 8K19 transmission. The first night result= s >> of this format are very positive! >> >> I will transmit this format again this evening (29/30 Mar) and tomorrow >> (30/31 Mar) on frequency 137.490 KHz. >> >> Reports and comments welcome. Work is starting this weekend on EbNaut >> RX capability for my station. >> >> 73, >> Rob - K3RWR >> >> --94eb2c19487ea0249b0568bd3646 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=C2=A0QRG:=C2=A0137522.000313 Hz

Il Dom 1 Apr 2018, 00:13 Riccardo Zoli = <riccardozoli80@gmail.com> ha scritto:


Hi Ric, all,
if I can get it all=C2=A0to work I will join you=C2=A0tonight:

137= 520.000 Hz, 5 char, 8K19A CRC 16, 3 second symbols, start time 22:00, 23:00= etc (first half hour), duration 0:25:36

Hope that=C2=A02.00 Hz spa= cing (orthogonal modulation) between us will be ok as we are both on the Eu= ropean side.=C2=A0=C2=A0

A test transmission has=C2=A0started at=C2= =A021:30 (i.e. second half hour)

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

-= ----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Riccardo Zoli <riccardozoli80@gmail.com>
An: LF Group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Sa, 31. Mrz= 2018 16:24
Betreff: Re: LF: EbNaut March 30/31
<= div dir=3D"auto">
Hi Markus, LF
Yes, 5 Hz are quite indequate for simultaneous EbNaut transmissions.
=
Anyway, I switch in RX on the second half of every hour. = Rob is working for RX capability, then, once he's ready, we could excha= nge TX and RX slots.
QSY for me this evening at=C2= =A0137522.000313 for another TA attempt (many thanks, Jay) with same= EbNaut parameters and scheduling.

All the best
73 de Riccardo IW4DXW

=C2=A0
Il Sab 31 Mar 2018, 14:07 Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com> ha scritto:
Agai= n a strong signal with some error-free decodes from IW4DXW. Also found K3RW= R finally on 137490 Hz, but only once after 4:00, and another near-miss aro= und sunrise after 4:30 (logs attached).

Rethinking my freque= ncy suggestion, it may not be ideal to place simultaneous signals from both= sides of the pond so near to each other. EbNaut employs hard-keyed phase s= witching both for the transmitter and for the matched filter in the receive= software, so keying sidebands or aliasing from a near station may spill ov= er an adjacent weak signal (although in principle this could be minimized b= y orthogonal modulation, using identical symbol timing for all stations, an= d=C2=A0frequencies spaced by an exact integer multiple of the common clockr= ate). But there are also other disadvantages, like noise-blanker induced cr= ossmodulation and threshold increase. So in the end it may be better to use= either separate timeslots or separate subbands, in analogy to our TA- and = Eu-QRSS slots.

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)


-----U= rspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>=
Verschickt: Fr, 30. Mrz 2018 23:03
Betreff: LF: EbNaut March 29/30
Last night Mar 29/30, I got excellent decodes from IW4DXW, but unfort= unately not a single one from K3RWR on 137490 Hz.
=

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
______________________________________LF: EbNaut attempt at 137495 kHz=C2=A0
Von: Riccardo Zoli <riccardozoli80@gmail.com>
An: LF G= roup <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org>
Datum: Do, 29. Mrz 2018 19:53

Hi LF

This night= , I have scheduled some transmissions every hour (start at xx:00).

QR= G: 137494.99988
8K19A
CRC 20
3 sec./sym.
6 char
duration: 29= min. 36 sec.

Reports are welcome.

All the best

73 de Ric= cardo IW4DXW
______________________________________
Re: LF: K3RWR LF = EbNaut Trial #2=C2=A0
Von: Rob Renoud <k3rwr@md.metrocast.net>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum= : Do, 29. Mrz 2018 21:22

TU all for LF EbNaut reception reports for = my 28/29 March 2018 trial of a 12 char, CRC 15, 2 sec symbol 8K19 transmiss= ion.=C2=A0 The first night results of this format are very positive!

= I will transmit this format again this evening (29/30 Mar) and tomorrow (30= /31 Mar) on frequency 137.490 KHz.

Reports and comments welcome.=C2= =A0=C2=A0 Work is starting this weekend on EbNaut RX capability for my stat= ion.

73,
Rob - K3RWR


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