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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Alex yes I am sure we all had our bouts of 'unlicenced experimentation' The LF community was so small that anything like a T/A qso would probably not go unnoticed. RU6LAs collection of events was an interesting read. I must remember to consult it before ''mis-remembering'' in future:-)) it corrected several silly errors in my first post. [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.6 URIBL_SBL Contains an URL's NS IP listed in the Spamhaus SBL blocklist [URIs: n1bug.com] 0.1 URIBL_SBL_A Contains URL's A record listed in the Spamhaus SBL blocklist [URIs: n1bug.com] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 4c5b2f81f5cb4b68cb69a3db12880dda Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01D3C947.C33BBF10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01D3C947.C33BBF10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alex yes I am sure we all had our bouts of 'unlicenced = experimentation' The LF community was so small that anything like a T/A = qso would probably not go unnoticed. RU6LAs collection of events was an = interesting read. I must remember to consult it before = ''mis-remembering'' in future:-)) it corrected several silly errors in = my first post. It seems a long time ago now . If you have contact with Ed (?) RU6LA = could you advise that the URL, behind the button to my propagation = report in the toolbar at the top, no longer exists. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex R7NT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 8:01 PM Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO Alan, ie it was US pirate or unlis with a good experience of RX and TX on LF = in the early 2000s. I know such cases on 160m band in the USSR. In the early 1960s Vlad = UB5WF (pirate) made 2way legendary Stew W1BB and Jack VE1ZZ in = particular :) I gave part of his 160m log in Top-band reflector with = Vlad consent in 2004 I even know the current LF enthusiast from Russia on pirated 50mc :) In any case, congratulations to Chris and Paul on the first official = 2way QSO USA<>EU and USA<>G ! 73! Alex R7NT 136.73.ru 2018-03-31 20:06 GMT+03:00 Alan Melia : Paul and Markus, I was triggered to do a little searching today. = (BTW I did NOT say there HAD been US<>EU 2-way QSOs with Warren K2ORS's = Part 5 licencees, I just indicated I thought it unlikely there had not)=20 I have to say that I cannot find any evidence so far, despite WD2XES = John's station logs showing him copied extensively in EU over many = years, there is no 2-way QSO. I know the change to digital modes on a = local BC station made reception almost impossible for him. By the time = these Part 5 licences were issued many of the UK late-night LF addicts = (G3YXM, G0MRF, G3LDO, and G3AQC to mention a few) had left the band, and = a QSO at QRSS60 meant a sleepless night !. QRSS3 was possible on = favourable nights but best times were often just about an hour before = dawn in UK. Jay W1VD (who has better recetion to the East than John) = being currently active does not indicate his knowledge of such an event. That being the case I would be inclined to reinstate your claim Paul = and Chris, against evidence to the contrary being put forward. Again = Congratulations on your efforts. I remember being told that we would not = get out of our back gardens on LF with a 1 watt ERP limit !! It is not = easy but that is what makes the effort worthwhile. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Markus Vester=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 4:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO Hi Paul, though I am aware that Canadian amateurs (VA3LK sk, VE1ZZ/VE1ZJ, = VO1NA) have conducted successful 2-way QSO's with Europeans, I somehow = don't remember having read about previous contacts involving U.S. = stations. Could someone share information who did it, and when?=20 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: N1BUG An: rsgb_lf_group ; rsgb_lf_group = ; Discussion of the Lowfer (US, = European, & UK) and MedFer bands Verschickt: Do, 29. Mrz 2018 20:29 Betreff: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO It has been brought to my attention that there were two way = contacts between U.S. Part 5 stations and the UK (and perhaps other Europe) some years back. I did not know that some Part 5 licenses were authorized to make two way contacts with amateur radio stations. Much of what happened during those days does not seem to be well documented or widely known. Therefore, with apologies to all concerned, I retract my statement that this was the first USA to UK or USA to Europe 137 kHz QSO. It was not my intent to take anything away from the accomplishments = of those who paved the way for amateur occupancy of these bands. Unless someone comes forward with information to the contrary I still believe it to be the first amateur to amateur USA to UK and USA to Europe QSO. At the time of my original post I was thinking, but failed to state, "amateur radio QSO". In any case it was the most exciting QSO of my 37 years in amateur radio and I sincerely thank Chris, 2E0ILY, for his considerable effort and sacrifice which made it possible. 73, Paul N1BUG ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01D3C947.C33BBF10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Alex yes I am sure we all had our = bouts of=20 'unlicenced experimentation'  The LF community was so small that = anything=20 like a T/A qso would probably not go unnoticed. RU6LAs collection of = events was=20 an interesting read. I must remember to consult it before = ''mis-remembering'' in=20 future:-))  it corrected several silly errors in my first=20 post.
 
It seems a long time ago now . If you = have contact=20 with Ed (?) RU6LA could you advise that the URL, behind the button to my = propagation report in the toolbar at the top, no longer=20 exists.
 
Best Wishes
Alan
G3NYK
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex = R7NT=20
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 = 8:01=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION = regarding=20 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

Alan,
ie it was US pirate or unlis with a good experience of RX and TX = on=20 LF in the early 2000s.
I know such cases on 160m band in the USSR. In the = early 1960s Vlad=20 UB5WF (pirate) made 2way legendary Stew W1BB and Jack VE1ZZ in = particular=20 :) I gave part of his 160m log in Top-band reflector with Vlad = consent in=20 2004
I even know the current LF enthusiast from Russia on pirated 50mc = :)
In any case, congratulations to Chris and Paul on the first = official 2way=20 QSO USA<>EU and USA<>G !

73! Alex R7NT  136.73.ru

2018-03-31 20:06 GMT+03:00 Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>:
Paul and Markus, I was triggered to = do a little=20 searching today. (BTW I did NOT say there HAD been US<>EU = 2-way=20 QSOs with Warren K2ORS's Part 5 licencees, I just indicated I = thought it=20 unlikely there had not)
 
I have to say that I cannot find = any evidence=20 so far, despite WD2XES John's station logs showing him copied=20 extensively in EU over many years, there is no 2-way QSO. I know the = change=20 to digital modes on a local BC station made reception almost = impossible for=20 him. By the time these Part 5 licences were issued many of the UK = late-night=20 LF addicts (G3YXM, G0MRF, G3LDO, and G3AQC to mention a few) = had left=20 the band, and a QSO at QRSS60 meant a sleepless night !. QRSS3 was = possible=20 on favourable nights but best times were often just about an hour = before=20 dawn in UK. Jay W1VD (who has better recetion to the East than John) = being=20 currently active does not indicate his knowledge of such an=20 event.
 
That being the case I would be = inclined to=20 reinstate your claim Paul and Chris, against evidence to the = contrary being=20 put forward. Again Congratulations on your efforts. I remember = being=20 told that we would not get out of our back gardens on LF with a = 1 watt=20 ERP limit !! It is not easy but that is what makes the effort=20 worthwhile.
 
Best Wishes
Alan
G3NYK
----- = Original Message=20 -----
From:=20 Markus Vester
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: = Saturday,=20 March 31, 2018 4:22 PM
Subject: Re:=20 LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

Hi=20 Paul,

though I am aware that Canadian amateurs (VA3LK sk,=20 VE1ZZ/VE1ZJ, VO1NA) have conducted successful 2-way QSO's=20 with Europeans, I somehow = don't remember having read=20 about previous contacts involving U.S. stations. Could = someone=20 share information who did it, and when? 

73, = Markus=20 (DF6NM)

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: = N1BUG <paul@n1bug.com>
An:=20 rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; = rsgb_lf_group=20 <rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk>; = Discussion of=20 the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
Verschickt: Do, = 29. Mrz=20 2018 20:29
Betreff: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG=20 QSO

It has been brought to my attention that there = were two=20 way contacts
between U.S. Part 5 stations and the UK (and = perhaps other=20 Europe)
some years back. I did not know that some Part 5 = licenses=20 were
authorized to make two way contacts with amateur radio=20 stations.
Much of what happened during those days does not seem = to be=20 well
documented or widely known.

Therefore, with = apologies to=20 all concerned, I retract my statement
that this was the first = USA to UK=20 or USA to Europe 137 kHz QSO. It
was not my intent to take = anything=20 away from the accomplishments of
those who paved the way for = amateur=20 occupancy of these bands.

Unless someone comes forward with = information to the contrary I
still believe it to be the first = amateur=20 to amateur USA to UK and
USA to Europe QSO. At the time of my = original=20 post I was thinking,
but failed to state, "amateur radio=20 QSO".

In any case it was the most exciting QSO of my 37 = years in=20 amateur
radio and I sincerely thank Chris, 2E0ILY, for his=20 considerable
effort and sacrifice which made it=20 possible.

73,
Paul=20 = N1BUG


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