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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I have a question about iron powder toroidal inductor heating... I built an experimental PA for 137 kHz. Details can be seen here: http://blog.n1bug.com/ [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.1 URIBL_SBL_A Contains URL's A record listed in the Spamhaus SBL blocklist [URIs: blog.n1bug.com] 0.6 URIBL_SBL Contains an URL's NS IP listed in the Spamhaus SBL blocklist [URIs: blog.n1bug.com] X-Scan-Signature: 5c335215f1b3de26d890ee84d49616ce Subject: LF: A different inductor heating question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I have a question about iron powder toroidal inductor heating... I built an experimental PA for 137 kHz. Details can be seen here: http://blog.n1bug.com/ For the three inductors I've used T157-2 cores with 20 AWG wire. This PA works well enough. With a 34N20 FET I have been running 150W output mixed WSPR-15 and WSPR-2 for more than one week already. Last night I increased power to 175W and all was still OK. The output looks as clean as expected on a spectrum analyzer. Two of the three inductors heat up (L1 and L2). I have the wire wound over about 80% of the core so there is 20% core with no winding. If I transmit for 2 minutes, I can feel no heat touching the open 20% of the core. If I touch the wire it is quite warm, with L2 being more warm than L1. My first assumption was that the wire must be heating because the empty part of the core does not feel warm. I do not know what the peak or average current in these inductors is, but I am having some trouble believing it can be high enough to cause the wire to heat to this extent. What do you think? Is my theory that this must be wire heating valid? I do not know the thermal properties of the core material but I thought if this is core heating the entire core should get warm. Is this a wrong assumption? I do not plan to rebuild the PA as it works OK already and it is temporary. But I would like to better understand this. 73, Paul N1BUG