Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id w2VKOkEI009889 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 22:24:49 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1f2MsD-0007YD-8M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 21:13:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1f2MpD-0007WO-KE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 21:10:08 +0100 Received: from mail-io0-f181.google.com ([209.85.223.181]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f2Llh-0008AY-Ph for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 20:02:31 +0100 Received: by mail-io0-f181.google.com with SMTP id d5so14103037iob.9 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 12:02:25 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=0IsbSMMZPNBSwVxrArScY+iytCTdQqfOazIGkbDeT0c=; b=RLH0RmSIqX/rfEX/+U5TVjVKzKtpuBXHGFc3YMSpyH1+QPlJXZnb7wzMEtkv6L8cM/ g7KX7FZNKD8YJw/BjbPrmpL8LKakqWOaciQiyAu5+/9CwBF9x8Cw5AiO+FFf6+HKdFtg mR1Tf6ZRX/mBgU4HeoaFJoeryujdc+Ghflhxu8+Jp0Dclx/Wvq/LoPohnUqAVECaRV71 fGeIlt9SLQ+Fi16fkF5KCqmfGp9MLjFrNv3V9dqJNlw1qoAZEWv6nOXMcMarQNsci9e4 jAkvW7NJM5FfQpp2DZEglBlb3PPJt7iiL7QJIfFuCiKkd0j9OIBbV2lreHVqKs+bDqLj dbbg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=0IsbSMMZPNBSwVxrArScY+iytCTdQqfOazIGkbDeT0c=; b=b99t6orT6dbTYU+zDQhQLLTghBjVfyCCbi84TVsmivqqX0h+cLzKzpTs/0PKxSk6nl qoSi5PSeE0xIHChT5/mYZBFITaNhNARzCVQ9LS/sfpYq/ztA55RtUBC0lTL78lvhXvdB YezmT5DLL+4UTyoHPvW6uILCBkDtVVFiIPNoHTHejQ2C0YPXyVOzvwB5Po+bMTN8edcl S59BNoxLfkBDgPKSwYHrU0l+o/VQPpWFzSW/VBOHIjfAgR4vdxH/gsbMEl1VdYtTDckx XjJgfA9CLEyVPefPSMdOVWFP/f1e/EPLAN4PNi8kPjGswgDIC67DGXpRfCKHceX6YHUp 8XTA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tD66/mbafI3VveF1WP15Ao+K7xZdhCX+NhugaV3/1Uues60aeRn AGYnIeh8hhJ5gaPs7+SXmvBy8KwYSkPOCJ/kzDA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx482cIkLSY9RVgFH0UDyBAcFGZc7X9RQbhVSiGqQ1Oj6COgdSMcQ2XwRCdDva3YEj8Coeu+Roqr9i0FBoP/+unQ= X-Received: by 10.107.173.68 with SMTP id w65mr3238900ioe.211.1522522882963; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 12:01:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.128.3 with HTTP; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 12:01:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5160a919-ec1f-92d4-24d2-4af64b822b1a@n1bug.com> <1627ca71c4d-1797-27ca@webjasstg-vaa58.srv.aolmail.net> From: Alex R7NT Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 22:01:22 +0300 Message-ID: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Alan, ie it was US pirate or unlis with a good experience of RX and TX on LF in the early 2000s. I know such cases on 160m band in the USSR. In the early 1960s Vlad UB5WF (pirate) made 2way legendary Stew W1BB and Jack VE1ZZ in particular :) I gave part of his 160m log in Top-band reflector with Vlad consent in 2004 I even know the current LF enthusiast from Russia on pirated 50mc :) In any case, congratulations to Chris and Paul on the first official 2way QSO USA<>EU and USA<>G ! 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I know such cases on 160m band in the USSR. In the early 1960s Vlad UB5WF (pirate) made 2way legendary Stew W1BB and Jack VE1ZZ in particular :) I gave part of his 160m log in Top-band reflector with Vlad consent in 2004 I even know the current LF enthusiast from Russia on pirated 50mc :) In any case, congratulations to Chris and Paul on the first official 2way QSO USA<>EU and USA<>G ! 73! Alex R7NT 136.73.ru 2018-03-31 20:06 GMT+03:00 Alan Melia : > Paul and Markus, I was triggered to do a little searching today. (BTW I > did NOT say there HAD been US<>EU 2-way QSOs with Warren K2ORS's Part 5 > licencees, I just indicated I thought it unlikely there had not) > > I have to say that I cannot find any evidence so far, despite WD2XES > John's station logs showing him copied extensively in EU over many years, > there is no 2-way QSO. I know the change to digital modes on a local BC > station made reception almost impossible for him. By the time these Part = 5 > licences were issued many of the UK late-night LF addicts (G3YXM, G0MRF, > G3LDO, and G3AQC to mention a few) had left the band, and a QSO at QRSS60 > meant a sleepless night !. QRSS3 was possible on favourable nights but be= st > times were often just about an hour before dawn in UK. Jay W1VD (who has > better recetion to the East than John) being currently active does not > indicate his knowledge of such an event. > > That being the case I would be inclined to reinstate your claim Paul and > Chris, against evidence to the contrary being put forward. Again > Congratulations on your efforts. I remember being told that we would not > get out of our back gardens on LF with a 1 watt ERP limit !! It is not ea= sy > but that is what makes the effort worthwhile. > > Best Wishes > Alan > G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Markus Vester > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Saturday, March 31, 2018 4:22 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO > > Hi Paul, > > though I am aware that Canadian amateurs (VA3LK sk, VE1ZZ/VE1ZJ, VO1NA) > have conducted successful 2-way QSO's with Europeans, I somehow > don't remember having read about previous contacts involving U.S. station= s. > Could someone share information who did it, and when? > > 73, Markus (DF6NM) > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: N1BUG > An: rsgb_lf_group ; rsgb_lf_group < > rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk>; Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, > & UK) and MedFer bands > Verschickt: Do, 29. Mrz 2018 20:29 > Betreff: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO > > It has been brought to my attention that there were two way contacts > between U.S. Part 5 stations and the UK (and perhaps other Europe) > some years back. I did not know that some Part 5 licenses were > authorized to make two way contacts with amateur radio stations. > Much of what happened during those days does not seem to be well > documented or widely known. > > Therefore, with apologies to all concerned, I retract my statement > that this was the first USA to UK or USA to Europe 137 kHz QSO. It > was not my intent to take anything away from the accomplishments of > those who paved the way for amateur occupancy of these bands. > > Unless someone comes forward with information to the contrary I > still believe it to be the first amateur to amateur USA to UK and > USA to Europe QSO. At the time of my original post I was thinking, > but failed to state, "amateur radio QSO". > > In any case it was the most exciting QSO of my 37 years in amateur > radio and I sincerely thank Chris, 2E0ILY, for his considerable > effort and sacrifice which made it possible. > > 73, > Paul N1BUG > > --001a1144726a99fdad0568b9fb90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Alan,
ie it was US pirate or unlis with a good experie= nce of RX and TX on LF=C2=A0in the early 2000s.
I know such c= ases on 160m band in the USSR. In the early=C2=A01960s Vlad UB5WF (pirate) = made 2way legendary Stew W1BB and Jack VE1ZZ in particular :)=C2=A0I gave p= art of his 160m log in Top-band reflector with Vlad consent in 2004
I even know the current LF enthusiast from Russia on pirated 50mc :)
=
In any case, congratulations to Chris and Paul on the first offi= cial 2way QSO USA<>EU and USA<>G !

73! Alex R7NT =C2= =A0136.73.ru
=

2018-03-31 20:06 GMT+03:00 Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>:
Paul and Markus, I was triggered to do= a little=20 searching today. (BTW I did NOT say there=C2=A0HAD been US<>EU 2-way = QSOs=20 with Warren K2ORS's Part 5 licencees, I just indicated I thought it unl= ikely=20 there had not)
=C2=A0
I have to say that I cannot find any e= vidence so=20 far, despite WD2XES John's station logs showing him=C2=A0copied extensi= vely in=20 EU over many years, there is no 2-way QSO. I know the change to digital mod= es on=20 a local BC station made reception almost impossible for him. By the time th= ese=20 Part 5 licences were issued many of the UK late-night LF=C2=A0addicts (G3YX= M,=20 G0MRF, G3LDO, and G3AQC to mention a few) had left the band, and a QSO at Q= RSS60=20 meant a sleepless night !. QRSS3 was possible on favourable nights but best= =20 times were often just about an hour before dawn in UK. Jay W1VD (who has be= tter=20 recetion to the East than John) being currently active does not indicate hi= s=20 knowledge of such an event.
=C2=A0
That being the case I would be incline= d to=20 reinstate your claim Paul and Chris, against evidence to the contrary being= put=20 forward.=C2=A0Again Congratulations on your efforts. I remember being told = that=20 we would not get out of our back gardens on LF=C2=A0with a 1 watt ERP limit= !!=20 It is not easy but that is what makes the effort worthwhile.
=C2=A0
Best Wishes
Alan
G3NYK
----= - Original Message -----
S= ent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 4:22=20 PM
S= ubject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding=20 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

Hi Paul,

though I am aware that Canadian amateurs (VA3LK sk,= =20 VE1ZZ/VE1ZJ, VO1NA) have conducted successful 2-way QSO's with=C2=A0E= uropeans,=20 I=C2=A0somehow don't=C2=A0remember=C2=A0having read about previous=20 contacts=C2=A0involving=C2=A0U.S. stations. Could someone share=20 information=C2=A0who did it, and=C2=A0when?=C2=A0

73, Markus (DF6N= M)

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche=20 Mitteilung-----
Von: N1BUG <paul@n1bug.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org>;=20 rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk>; Discussion of t= he=20 Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands=20 <lowfer@ma= ilman.qth.net>
Verschickt: Do, 29. Mrz 2018=20 20:29
Betreff: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

= It has been brought to my attention that there=20 were two way contacts
between U.S. Part 5 stations and the UK=20 (and perhaps other Europe)
some years back. I did not know that=20 some Part 5 licenses were
authorized to make two way contacts=20 with amateur radio stations.
Much of what happened during those=20 days does not seem to be well
documented or widely known.

There= fore, with apologies to all concerned, I=20 retract my statement
that this was the first USA to UK or USA to=20 Europe 137 kHz QSO. It
was not my intent to take anything away=20 from the accomplishments of
those who paved the way for amateur=20 occupancy of these bands.

Unless someone comes=20 forward with information to the contrary I
still believe it to=20 be the first amateur to amateur USA to UK and
USA to Europe QSO.=20 At the time of my original post I was thinking,
but failed to=20 state, "amateur radio QSO".

In any case it was=20 the most exciting QSO of my 37 years in amateur
radio and I=20 sincerely thank Chris, 2E0ILY, for his considerable
effort and=20 sacrifice which made it possible.

73,
Paul N1BUG

<= /blockquote>

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