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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi LF'ers i suggest to the operators that are looking for any kind of ancient software for a T/A two-way contact, to have a look at *EbNaut*. EbNaut is a bpsk mode with FEC designed by Paul Nicholson for the VLF world. But two years ago some EbNaut QSO's took place on LF between EU stations using short symbol durations. Signals from VO1NA have been nicely decoded even in Italy and also a signal from DF6NM and IW4DXW have been decoded at VO1NA (without having a disciplinated oscillator at RX side). 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1147c9b0fb9a4d0567cbdfed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --001a1147c9b0fb9a4d0567cbdfed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF'ers i suggest to the operators that are looking for any kind of ancient software for a T/A two-way contact, to have a look at *EbNaut*. EbNaut is a bpsk mode with FEC designed by Paul Nicholson for the VLF world. But two years ago some EbNaut QSO's took place on LF between EU stations using short symbol durations. Signals from VO1NA have been nicely decoded even in Italy and also a signal from DF6NM and IW4DXW have been decoded at VO1NA (without having a disciplinated oscillator at RX side). See Paul Nicholson's Log: http://abelian.org/vlf/amateur-radio/ So, i think that a two-way QSO is possibile with EbNaut even in this coming Spring. For starting this FB mode, it is necessary, as first step, to achieve a good frequency precision with the RTX radios. This, sometime, can be easly achieved by building some reference oscillators that use cheap GPS solutions. Here, i've built a 10 MHz reference oscillator with a PLL locked with a 10 kHz coming from a GPS. This 10 MHz reference signal goes to my RX and to the Exciter. Some 'scrapped' 10 MHz /GPS reference oscillators are on the market and easy to found. Then you have to deal with different softwares. For Windows' users, we can use Paul Nicholson's EbNaut-tx and EbNaut-rx together with other necessary programs as SpectrumLab and the DF6NM's tools= . But if you are using Linux (Ubuntu,...) , then 'vlfrx-tools' is the only fb suite needed for managing EbNaut Linux native program. This mode is not well documented. Some EbNauters already wrote useful instructions. But i think that 'live' assistance on this mail reflector can help more: Questions from who is trying to use EbNaut and the answers from the Group can be more useful. So i'm at disposal if some operator wants to try this mode. Some month ago i have built-up a program for auto-decoding EbNaut transmissions scheduled at certain time and frequencies (see the log on http://www.qsl.net/i/iz7slz/EBNAUT/DECODED.TXT) This setup can be again on-line if needed, also with different settings. Of course, i'm also at disposal to put on air a small EbNaut signal on LF from my locator JN80nu. I believe that using EbNaut on LF (i.e. dealing with more robust signals than VLF) can be a very good training for acquiring the skill necessary to use EbNaut on VLF. 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ On 19 March 2018 at 18:36, DL3JJ HOME wrote: > It did not work. > Was only in pull down menue. > Got no answer on my request for this slow mode in future available. > JT9-5 or so would be a big deal for 160m too. > > 73 > Ralf > DL3JJ > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- From: DK7FC > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 5:22 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: [english 100%] Re: LF: 2200m Trans-Atlantic QSO dream... > > Hi Paul, > > There is an old version of WSJT-X that contains slow JT9 modes. If i > remember correctly there was -1 -2 -5 and -10. Maybe someone has the old > exe still available? > > 73, Stefan > > Am 19.03.2018 17:07, schrieb N1BUG: > >> One of my big dreams is to complete a two-way QSO across the >> Atlantic on 2200m. It has been done. It can be done. My station is >> getting close to being ready. I have heard 2E0ILY up to -12 SNR on >> WSPR2 and I have been reported with -19 SNR by G8HUH and G0LUJ. >> >> It is too late for this season as QRN is always high now. But for >> next winter I should have 3 dB more power and hopefully more/better >> receive antennas. >> >> Modes are a bit of a problem. On the best nights JT9 would be easy >> but most of the time it would probably have to be QRSS or DFCW. It's >> too bad we don't have a very slow digital QSO mode like JT9-10 or such. >> >> So, who is going to take the challenge for a dream QSO next winter? >> You have all summer to get the station ready... ;-) >> >> 73, >> Paul N1BUG FN55mf >> >> >> > > --001a1147c9b0fb9a4d0567cbdfed Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi LF'ers

i suggest to the operators that are = looking for any kind of ancient software for a T/A two-way contact, to have= a look at
EbNaut.
EbNaut is a bpsk mode with FEC = designed by Paul Nicholson for the VLF world.
But two years ago some Eb= Naut QSO's took place on LF between EU stations using short symbol dura= tions. Signals from VO1NA have been nicely decoded even in Italy and also <= br>
a signal from DF6NM and IW4DXW have been decoded at VO1NA (without= having a disciplinated oscillator at RX side).

See Paul Nicholson&#= 39;s Log:=C2=A0 http://ab= elian.org/vlf/amateur-radio/

So, i think that=C2=A0 a two-way QS= O is possibile with EbNaut even in this coming Spring.

For sta= rting this FB mode, it is necessary, as first step,=C2=A0 to achieve a good= frequency precision with the RTX radios. This, sometime,=C2=A0 can be easl= y achieved by building some reference oscillators that use cheap GPS soluti= ons.

Here, i've built a 10 MHz reference oscillator with a= PLL locked with a 10 kHz coming from a GPS. This 10 MHz=C2=A0 reference si= gnal goes to my RX and to the Exciter. Some 'scrapped' 10 MHz /GPS = reference oscillators are on the market and easy to found.
<= div>
Then you have to deal with different softwares.
For Window= s' users, we can use Paul Nicholson's EbNaut-tx and EbNaut-rx toget= her with other necessary programs as SpectrumLab and the DF6NM's tools.=
But if you are using Linux (Ubuntu,...) , then=C2=A0 'vlfrx-tools'= is the only fb suite needed for managing EbNaut Linux native program.

This mode is not well documented. Some EbNauters already wrot= e useful instructions. But i think that 'live' assistance on this m= ail reflector can help more: Questions from who is trying to use EbNaut and= the answers from the Group can be more useful.

So i'= ;m at disposal if some operator wants to try this mode.

Some m= onth ago i have built-up a program for=C2=A0 auto-decoding EbNaut transmiss= ions scheduled at certain time and frequencies (see the log on=C2=A0 http://www.qsl.net/i/i= z7slz/EBNAUT/DECODED.TXT)

This setup can be again on-line = if needed, also with different settings.

Of course, i'm al= so at disposal to put on air a small EbNaut signal on LF from my locator JN= 80nu.

I believe that using EbNaut on LF (i.e. dealing with more= robust signals than VLF) can be a very good training for acquiring the ski= ll necessary to use EbNaut on VLF.

73, Domenico IZ7SLZ
=C2=A0
=C2=A0

=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0

On 19 March 2018 at 18:36, DL3= JJ HOME <dl3jj@dl3jj.de> wrote:
It did not work.
Was only in pull down menue.
Got no answer on my request for this slow mode in future available.
JT9-5 or so would be a big deal for 160m too.

73
Ralf
DL3JJ

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- From: DK7FC
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 5:22 PM
To: rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: [english 100%] Re: LF: 2200m Trans-Atlantic QSO dream...

Hi Paul,

There is an old version of WSJT-X that contains slow JT9 modes. If i
remember correctly there was -1 -2 -5 and -10. Maybe someone has the old exe still available?

73, Stefan

Am 19.03.2018 17:07, schrieb N1BUG:
One of my big dreams is to complete a two-way QSO across the
Atlantic on 2200m. It has been done. It can be done. My station is
getting close to being ready. I have heard 2E0ILY up to -12 SNR on
WSPR2 and I have been reported with -19 SNR by G8HUH and G0LUJ.

It is too late for this season as QRN is always high now. But for
next winter I should have 3 dB more power and hopefully more/better
receive antennas.

Modes are a bit of a problem. On the best nights JT9 would be easy
but most of the time it would probably have to be QRSS or DFCW. It's too bad we don't have a very slow digital QSO mode like JT9-10 or such.=

So, who is going to take the challenge for a dream QSO next winter?
You have all summer to get the station ready... ;-)

73,
Paul N1BUG FN55mf





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