Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id w2L9eP47029947 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 10:40:26 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1eya7b-0007QY-Py for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 09:33:27 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1eya7b-0007QO-6O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 09:33:27 +0000 Received: from mail-wm0-x231.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::231]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eya7Y-0002mu-EK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 09:33:25 +0000 Received: by mail-wm0-x231.google.com with SMTP id 139so8522029wmn.2 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 02:33:24 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=uqmUx5X31VoPk5KRzFdMAk8cikDmpRPU6F6dAWLm4no=; b=fSPayovqdT/zEkT3+xjHzIIdrI3tU6MOoogsRWhSW5pzl6t7TIAECez5uz9vG0dIhh 2IiPP/9cImq6WCe9ZgtYIYnt+5/oLnb1yJk/OdkSBSKWUB+ytOk6boQu1OjI9xG3OZYQ 0yYtNPNOAsqvlQ1TTln59qlTC3+xk5FpSOkw0eL0vkN++FBlueauDxHa4Ry/rQC0EgW4 Z2J49Cjht3xlX0xQeKhxMMNMpWun6/VEVRTo8cwKGq5ubaWe113dr1WQeg61WHLEuYEa eRM/q6zcUNcr0GSR4fwPvyWjgORdAhE1JvlhcyFQXMNnOrrrtemf5wDLUcbz2VuWGv8l Jljg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=uqmUx5X31VoPk5KRzFdMAk8cikDmpRPU6F6dAWLm4no=; b=lDc/lIGwT0B23AdzhNewEbAq6wJ37T3/jLOcxN/JKHhhLula7DtF33tw2UKvkBwuHa hDwece87m+OUzIKaLGpvGTW6dO0MxzQSFrTDaSL9/Hwp4vFSfa9v43hvbSY3wztVkOHO 0d4AXXa1gldJcq1VDJwNunVEakf71kUt0P+dgoZRdVy18766DK7Oxm94PlJrcdu/Eeb/ HIz16xx49t2iRWuZ4ZpLqTEz6hj3fmAOoiAB8aa6LWeYR87A/1IKfMwusHuv/J43Uyk3 mQSHf1+6UHqVSyHyWwMLaf/fysvJmfvg0xC4e/2p7VR5Ci/pkqACS38gByBHwKual5H9 1sJw== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7HHf3cPsgRDXAdRwx/UJ4OY1a39NOg6SNDilpZpAYMC3E9GYY9s FVX8oDpWB0dRMltlXvEeI1h/k8D0xiH+/LzoF8Ts+ikZ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELteehFYPsrd7E+So8FB6Jt8SmyqgdtBxNwXW7jNIA4mPEJdy7/mwDTr1hUIYzI92ZhHQp0Sc2TXMWOwxz+xmGs= X-Received: by 10.80.144.54 with SMTP id b51mr17428809eda.194.1521624803475; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 02:33:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.154.195 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 02:33:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Andy Talbot Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 09:33:23 +0000 Message-ID: To: LineOne Cc: rsgb_lf_group X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: That should read: Inductance = uo * A / g * N^2 where uo is mag permeability of free space, 4E-7 * pi, A is the core area and g the adjustable gap (SI units) and N the number of turns 'jnt [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (andy.g4jnt[at]gmail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 7f2e5481aa97b3cbff3d653a1b2ddfbd Subject: Re: LF: Idea for tuned inductor Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045c2584e4844c0567e8e178" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --f403045c2584e4844c0567e8e178 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" That should read: Inductance = uo * A / g * N^2 where uo is mag permeability of free space, 4E-7 * pi, A is the core area and g the adjustable gap (SI units) and N the number of turns 'jnt On 21 March 2018 at 09:22, Andy Talbot wrote: > Looking at some large pot cores , I was struck by this novel idea. > > Back in the very early days of 10GHz with wideband equipment, we tuned > Gunn oscillator using a dielectric probe on a micrometer head - that > allowed precise adjustment with a repeatable reading. Looking at my > gapped pot cores, it occurred to me something similar could be done with > them. > > Fix, somehow, one half core to the micrometer so it can me pulled away > from the other allowing a precise air gap. Of course, doing it this way > means you have a gap in outer and inner pieces, so the effective gap is > double the measured value > > Inductance is then uo * A / g where uo is mag permaeability of free > space, 4E-7 * pi A is the core area and g the adjustable gap (SI units) > > You'd have to watch out for saturation (V= 4.44 . N.A.B) but as a small > adjuster to a larger fixed loading coil at low frequencies, may have some > merit for fine repeatable setting > > Just a thought > > Andy G4JNT > --f403045c2584e4844c0567e8e178 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That should read:

Inductance =3D uo * A / g * N^2=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0
where uo is mag permeability of free space, 4E-7 * = pi,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 A is the core area and g the adjustable gap=C2=A0 (SI unit= s) and N the number of turns

'jnt


On 21 Marc= h 2018 at 09:22, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@gmail.com> wrote= :
Looking at some large = pot cores , I was struck by this novel idea.

Back in the very = early days of 10GHz with wideband equipment, we tuned Gunn oscillator using= a dielectric probe on a micrometer head - that allowed precise adjustment = with a repeatable reading.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Looking at my gapped pot cores, it = occurred to me something similar could be done with them.
<= br>
Fix, somehow, one half core to the micrometer so it can me pu= lled away from the other allowing a precise air gap.=C2=A0 Of course, doing= it this way means you have a gap in outer and inner pieces, so the effecti= ve gap is double the measured value

Inductance is = then uo * A / g=C2=A0 =C2=A0 where uo is mag permaeability of free space, 4= E-7 * pi=C2=A0 =C2=A0A is the core area and g the adjustable gap=C2=A0 (SI = units)=C2=A0

You'd have to watch out for satur= ation (V=3D 4.44 . N.A.B) but as a small adjuster to a larger fixed loading= coil at low frequencies,=C2=A0 may have some merit for fine repeatable set= ting

Just a thought

Andy= =C2=A0 G4JNT

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