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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: In the interest of full disclosure ... there are times when the cardiod pattern is not the best for EU reception. Specifically, when Tstorms get cranked up in the Gulf of Mexico and northern SA, it is not unusual for the large untuned NE/SW loop with it's figure 8 pattern to outperform the cardiod ... due to better rejection of the Tstorm noise. 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E8_01D3C134.CCE95420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01E8_01D3C134.CCE95420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the interest of full disclosure ... there are times when the cardiod = pattern is not the best for EU reception. Specifically, when Tstorms get = cranked up in the Gulf of Mexico and northern SA, it is not unusual for = the large untuned NE/SW loop with it's figure 8 pattern to outperform = the cardiod ... due to better rejection of the Tstorm noise. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "DK7FC" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 2:01 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 2200m Trans-Atlantic QSO dream... > Hi Paul, >=20 > Jay was (and is!?) using a cardioid antenna poiting to the east for = that=20 > reception, which is certainly a big advantage. > But how high or low the noise has been, you don't see it on that=20 > spectrogram. A dark noise background does not indicate low QRN, it is=20 > just the setting of the brightness slider in SpecLab. >=20 > Unfortunately i'm QRMing my own LF RX due to my regular VLF=20 > transmissions. But the DF6NM grabber is just 175 km more distant and = is=20 > active at http://www.df6nm.de/grabber/Grabber.htm >=20 > 73, GL, Stefan >=20 > PS: Using DFCW-90 may be a bit more easy to interprete on the=20 > spectrograms. My transmission was in DFCW-90. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Am 21.03.2018 15:45, schrieb N1BUG: >> Wow, Stefan and Jay, that is amazing. I get an impression Jay's >> static level was fairly low at the time of that capture. Mine is >> never low in March, which suggests my receive antenna may be not so >> good. I believe Jay was using directional antennas. I just have a >> low noise vertical. >> >> I am setting up to transmit DFCW tonight. My intended target is >> DFCW60 on 137.779 but final details will not be available for a few >> hours. I will begin testing now. When I am sure I know what I am >> doing and have all settings correct, I will make another = announcement. >> >> 73, >> Paul >> >> >> >> On 03/21/2018 10:06 AM, DK7FC wrote: >> =20 >>> PS: This capture was taken on Jay's side of course. >>> >>> And just to get an impression, with 25 dB SNR in 28 mHz you can >>> transfer a 100 character EbNaut message in 5 minutes and have a >>> spare 6 dB. >>> A QSO is quickly done then. I mean a real QSO, like "Hello Paul, how >>> are you? You are 10 dB above the decode limit. The WX is fine here, >>> just a bit cold." >>> >>> 73, Stefan >>> >>> Am 21.03.2018 14:57, schrieb DK7FC: >>> =20 >>>> Hi Jay, Paul, >>>> >>>> I still have the 12 captures from these 12 months. It was 2012. In >>>> attachment is the image from March. Almost exactly 6 years old! >>>> Time is running! >>>> =20 >> =20 > ------=_NextPart_000_01E8_01D3C134.CCE95420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
In the interest of full disclosure ... = there are=20 times when the cardiod pattern is not the best for EU reception. = Specifically,=20 when Tstorms get cranked up in the Gulf of Mexico and northern SA, it is = not=20 unusual for the large untuned NE/SW loop with it's figure 8 pattern to=20 outperform the cardiod ... due to better rejection of the Tstorm=20 noise.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  = WE2XGR/2
 
   
----- Original Message -----
From: "DK7FC"=20 <selberdenken@posteo.de>
To:=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 = 2:01=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 2200m Trans-Atlantic QSO = dream...


> Hi=20 Paul,
>
> Jay was (and is!?) using a cardioid antenna = poiting to=20 the east for that
> reception, which is certainly a big=20 advantage.
> But how high or low the noise has been, you don't see = it on=20 that
> spectrogram. A dark noise background does not indicate low = QRN, it=20 is
> just the setting of the brightness slider in = SpecLab.
>=20
> Unfortunately i'm QRMing my own LF RX due to my regular VLF =
>=20 transmissions. But the DF6NM grabber is just 175 km more distant and is =
>=20 active at http://www.df6nm.de/grabber/Grabber.htm
>
> 73, = GL,=20 Stefan
>
> PS: Using DFCW-90 may be a bit more easy to = interprete=20 on the
> spectrograms. My transmission was in DFCW-90.
> =
>=20
>
> Am 21.03.2018 15:45, schrieb N1BUG:
>> Wow, = Stefan=20 and Jay, that is amazing. I get an impression Jay's
>> static = level was=20 fairly low at the time of that capture. Mine is
>> never low in = March,=20 which suggests my receive antenna may be not so
>> good. I = believe Jay=20 was using directional antennas. I just have a
>> low noise=20 vertical.
>>
>> I am setting up to transmit DFCW = tonight. My=20 intended target is
>> DFCW60 on 137.779 but final details will = not be=20 available for a few
>> hours. I will begin testing now. When I = am sure=20 I know what I am
>> doing and have all settings correct, I will = make=20 another announcement.
>>
>> 73,
>>=20 Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/21/2018 10:06 = AM,=20 DK7FC wrote:
>>   
>>> PS: This = capture was=20 taken on Jay's side of course.
>>>
>>> And just = to get=20 an impression, with 25 dB SNR in 28 mHz you can
>>> transfer = a 100=20 character EbNaut message in 5 minutes and have a
>>> spare 6 = dB.
>>> A QSO is quickly done then. I mean a real QSO, like = "Hello=20 Paul, how
>>> are you? You are 10 dB above the decode limit. = The WX=20 is fine here,
>>> just a bit = cold."
>>>
>>>=20 73, Stefan
>>>
>>> Am 21.03.2018 14:57, schrieb=20 DK7FC:
>>>      =
>>>> Hi=20 Jay, Paul,
>>>>
>>>> I still have the 12 = captures=20 from these 12 months. It was 2012. In
>>>> attachment is = the=20 image from March. Almost exactly 6 years old!
>>>> Time = is=20 running!
>>>>       =20
>>   
>
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