Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id w28CZXAA009043 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 13:35:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1etufv-0007KO-Dn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 12:29:35 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1etuft-0007KF-Rn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 12:29:33 +0000 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1etufo-00047O-ET for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 12:29:32 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E6B720E58 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 13:29:25 +0100 (CET) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=posteo.de Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.de; s=2017; t=1520512166; bh=IvSzlAgWH1gJoS55poQGxJZ9snBrops/7DlUHR3Vaik=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=lvPdR1Zwl3gIiNdYcuMqaZRVCEh7X7OxZI2+cezkUl1amxV08iMdYFhM7cJdnxQBm oepIznd0HAo1wSyXnvyC/kwJgK5hYEndO11hpIa8YdMi2A2ObcKOH0j9hnmYHRDBJs twF9oE77l5/K1POzPlG0fUDg3RP3PqZVpAdfM0FMGMuEHMKPlteM5TC/Mv2eE97EHT Le4/swX5klklZuYguHLOfi0P3pRjlja3N5TyNo9IZ91wC4kkds181ioreEJuelw7Kc ldGRXbXdpNWlGjlb77QReCmep86zyRaL51hVr2bYnqC0ndZN76Y1POziu19xuw+Kak t10tpfWsiBl1g== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3zxqZX4lDMz9rxh for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 13:29:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5AA12CA2.5070004@posteo.de> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 13:29:22 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3610102492.20180308120003@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3610102492.20180308120003@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Chris, Just use two cores in parallel and reduce the number of turns to 70%. That will reduce the flux and prevent saturation losses. You may want o use a bigger wire instead. 73, Stefan [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Subject: Re: LF: Can an air cored LPF inductor have as high a "Q" as a toroidal wound one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Chris, Just use two cores in parallel and reduce the number of turns to 70%. That will reduce the flux and prevent saturation losses. You may want o use a bigger wire instead. 73, Stefan Am 08.03.2018 13:00, schrieb Chris Wilson: > > Hello expert LF'ers! > > The centre toroid of my three toroid LPF heats up on the longer > transmissions like WSPR15. I have added a small fan as a crutch > (thanks N1BUG!) but I guess that's a crutch for inadequate hardware. I > was wondering whether instead of buying a larger toroid, which seem > only to be available from the US at high cost, I could wind an air > cored coil of similar inductance. But I am unsure whether it would > have the required "Q" factor. Your opinions please? Thanks, > > Also I am wondering, looking at the Micrometals site, whether the > current -2 material can be bettered by using -3 material? > > http://www.w1vd.com/LPF.pdf > > and info on frequency range of these cores is at: http://toroids.info/ > > > >