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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I was able to copy some of these part 5 stations on normal CW and reported it at the time also like I said before, myself and MM0ALM were copied on normal CW by East coast USA stations in those days. EI0CF was very active in those days on normal CW and possibly had the first Transatlantic CW qso. Alan you are very selective in your observations there are a lot of gaps in your posting about activity in those days and does it matter that much who was First G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 URIBL_SBL_A Contains URL's A record listed in the Spamhaus SBL blocklist [URIs: n1bug.com] 0.6 URIBL_SBL Contains an URL's NS IP listed in the Spamhaus SBL blocklist [URIs: n1bug.com] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 05df7db787776cda2726d56f546a4588 Subject: LF: Re: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01D3C930.796DAB80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01D3C930.796DAB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was able to copy some of these part 5 stations on normal CW and = reported it at the time also like I said before, myself and MM0ALM were = copied on normal CW by East coast USA stations in those days. EI0CF was very active in those days on normal CW and possibly had the = first Transatlantic CW qso. =20 Alan you are very selective in your observations there are a lot of gaps = in your posting about activity in those days and does it matter that = much who was First G3KEV From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 6:06 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO Paul and Markus, I was triggered to do a little searching today. (BTW I = did NOT say there HAD been US<>EU 2-way QSOs with Warren K2ORS's Part 5 = licencees, I just indicated I thought it unlikely there had not)=20 I have to say that I cannot find any evidence so far, despite WD2XES = John's station logs showing him copied extensively in EU over many = years, there is no 2-way QSO. I know the change to digital modes on a = local BC station made reception almost impossible for him. By the time = these Part 5 licences were issued many of the UK late-night LF addicts = (G3YXM, G0MRF, G3LDO, and G3AQC to mention a few) had left the band, and = a QSO at QRSS60 meant a sleepless night !. QRSS3 was possible on = favourable nights but best times were often just about an hour before = dawn in UK. Jay W1VD (who has better recetion to the East than John) = being currently active does not indicate his knowledge of such an event. That being the case I would be inclined to reinstate your claim Paul and = Chris, against evidence to the contrary being put forward. Again = Congratulations on your efforts. I remember being told that we would not = get out of our back gardens on LF with a 1 watt ERP limit !! It is not = easy but that is what makes the effort worthwhile. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Markus Vester=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 4:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO Hi Paul, though I am aware that Canadian amateurs (VA3LK sk, VE1ZZ/VE1ZJ, = VO1NA) have conducted successful 2-way QSO's with Europeans, I somehow = don't remember having read about previous contacts involving U.S. = stations. Could someone share information who did it, and when?=20 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: N1BUG An: rsgb_lf_group ; rsgb_lf_group = ; Discussion of the Lowfer (US, = European, & UK) and MedFer bands Verschickt: Do, 29. Mrz 2018 20:29 Betreff: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO It has been brought to my attention that there were two way contacts between U.S. Part 5 stations and the UK (and perhaps other Europe) some years back. I did not know that some Part 5 licenses were authorized to make two way contacts with amateur radio stations. Much of what happened during those days does not seem to be well documented or widely known. Therefore, with apologies to all concerned, I retract my statement that this was the first USA to UK or USA to Europe 137 kHz QSO. It was not my intent to take anything away from the accomplishments of those who paved the way for amateur occupancy of these bands. Unless someone comes forward with information to the contrary I still believe it to be the first amateur to amateur USA to UK and USA to Europe QSO. At the time of my original post I was thinking, but failed to state, "amateur radio QSO". In any case it was the most exciting QSO of my 37 years in amateur radio and I sincerely thank Chris, 2E0ILY, for his considerable effort and sacrifice which made it possible. 73, Paul N1BUG ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01D3C930.796DAB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was able to copy some of these part 5 stations on normal CW and = reported=20 it at the time also like I said before,  myself and MM0ALM were = copied on=20 normal CW by East coast USA stations in those days.
EI0CF was very active in those days on normal CW and possibly had = the first=20 Transatlantic CW qso. 
Alan you are very selective in your observations there are a lot of = gaps in=20 your posting about activity in those days and does it matter that much = who was=20 First
G3KEV
 
 
 
 
 
From: Alan Melia
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 6:06 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG=20 QSO
 
Paul and Markus, I was triggered to do = a little=20 searching today. (BTW I did NOT say there HAD been US<>EU 2-way = QSOs with=20 Warren K2ORS's Part 5 licencees, I just indicated I thought it unlikely = there=20 had not)
 
I have to say that I cannot find any = evidence so=20 far, despite WD2XES John's station logs showing him copied extensively = in EU=20 over many years, there is no 2-way QSO. I know the change to digital = modes on a=20 local BC station made reception almost impossible for him. By the time = these=20 Part 5 licences were issued many of the UK late-night LF addicts (G3YXM, = G0MRF,=20 G3LDO, and G3AQC to mention a few) had left the band, and a QSO at = QRSS60 meant=20 a sleepless night !. QRSS3 was possible on favourable nights but best = times were=20 often just about an hour before dawn in UK. Jay W1VD (who has better = recetion to=20 the East than John) being currently active does not indicate his = knowledge of=20 such an event.
 
That being the case I would be inclined = to=20 reinstate your claim Paul and Chris, against evidence to the contrary = being put=20 forward. Again Congratulations on your efforts. I remember being told = that we=20 would not get out of our back gardens on LF with a 1 watt ERP limit !! = It is not=20 easy but that is what makes the effort worthwhile.
 
Best Wishes
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Markus Vester
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 = 4:22=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION = regarding=20 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO
 
Hi Paul,

though I am aware that Canadian amateurs = (VA3LK sk,=20 VE1ZZ/VE1ZJ, VO1NA) have conducted successful 2-way QSO's with = Europeans, I=20 somehow don't remember having read about previous contacts involving = U.S.=20 stations. Could someone share information who did it, and when?
73, Markus (DF6NM)
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: N1BUG=20 <paul@n1bug.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; rsgb_lf_group=20 <rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk>; Discussion of the Lowfer (US, = European, & UK) and MedFer bands <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
Verschickt: Do, 29. Mrz 2018 20:29
Betreff: LF:=20 CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

It=20 has been brought to my attention that there were two way contactsbetween U.S. Part 5 stations and the UK (and perhaps = other=20 Europe)
some years back. I did not know that some Part = 5=20 licenses were
authorized to make two way contacts with = amateur=20 radio stations.
Much of what happened during those = days does not=20 seem to be well
documented or widely known.
Therefore, with apologies to all concerned, I retract my=20 statement
that this was the first USA to UK or USA to = Europe 137=20 kHz QSO. It
was not my intent to take anything away = from the=20 accomplishments of
those who paved the way for amateur = occupancy=20 of these bands.

Unless someone comes = forward with=20 information to the contrary I
still believe it to be = the first=20 amateur to amateur USA to UK and
USA to Europe QSO. At = the time=20 of my original post I was thinking,
but failed to = state,=20 "amateur radio QSO".

In any case it = was the most=20 exciting QSO of my 37 years in amateur
radio and I = sincerely=20 thank Chris, 2E0ILY, for his considerable
effort and = sacrifice=20 which made it possible.

73,
Paul=20 N1BUG
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