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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Alan, Paul, Markus and LF enthusiasts A bit of history from this side of the pond ... to the best of my recollection. Beginning in 2003, 137 kHz Part 5 licences were issued to individual stations ... WD2XDW (KL7L), WD2XGJ (K2ORS), WD2XES (W1TAG), WD2XNS (W1VD), WD2XKO (W4DEX), etc. Some of these applications included specific wording (thanks to Warren's iniative) that contacts could be made with other Part 5 and licensed amateur stations. 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WD2XDW (KL7L), WD2XGJ (K2ORS), WD2XES (W1TAG), WD2XNS (W1VD), WD= 2XKO=20 (W4DEX), etc. Some of these applications included specific wording (th= anks to=20 Warren's iniative) that contacts could be made with other Part 5 and l= icensed amateur stations. In 2007 Warren applied for a 500 kHz Part 5 license that included hims= elf, Bill Ashlock, W1TAG and W1VD under the WE2XGR/x callsign. Again t= he application included specific wording about contacts with other Par= t 5 and licensed amateur stations. Other stations were later added to = this license. Even though some on the U.S. side had the ability to contact foreign l= icensed amateurs there was concern on the EU side whether their licens= es allowed such contacts. Based on grabber spectrograms from both side= s of the pond, signal levels were certainly strong enough to allow QRS= S or other digital mode QSO's=20 on many nights between many of the=20 band's participants. To the best of my knowledge, and John W1TAG's, th= ere never=20 was a two way 137 kHz QSO between the US and EU. Yes there were EU / V= E=20 contacts. Yes there were EU / US crossband contacts. I would agree with Alan and Markus, that unless there is evdence to th= e=20 contrary, that Paul and Chris can claim first US < > EU QSO on 137 kHz= =2E=20 Congratulations Paul and Chris! Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 p.s. As a side note ... on 500 kHz there were contacts between WE2XGR/= 2 (W1VD),=20 WE2XGR/6 (W2ZM) and GI4DPE and others. =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Melia Reply-To: To: Sent: 3/31/2018 1:06:49 PM Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO Paul and Markus, I was triggered to do a little searching today. (BTW = I did NOT=20 say there HAD been US<>EU 2-way QSOs with Warren=20 K2ORS's Part 5 licencees, I just indicated I thought it unlikely there= had not)=20 I have to say that I cannot find any evidence so far, despite WD2XES J= ohn's=20 station logs showing him copied extensively in EU over many years, the= re is no=20 2-way QSO. I know the change to digital modes on a local BC station ma= de=20 reception almost impossible for him. By the time these Part 5 licences= were=20 issued many of the UK late-night LF addicts (G3YXM, G0MRF, G3LDO, and = G3AQC to=20 mention a few) had left the band, and a QSO at QRSS60 meant a sleeples= s night=20 !. QRSS3 was possible on favourable nights but best times were often j= ust about=20 an hour before dawn in UK. Jay W1VD (who has better recetion to the Ea= st than=20 John) being currently active does not indicate his knowledge of such a= n event. That being the case I would be inclined to reinstate your claim Paul a= nd Chris,=20 against evidence to the contrary being put forward. Again Congratulati= ons on=20 your efforts. I remember being told that we would not get out of our b= ack=20 gardens on LF with a 1 watt ERP limit !! It is not easy but that is wh= at makes=20 the effort worthwhile. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Markus Vester=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 4:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO Hi Paul, though I am aware that Canadian amateurs (VA3LK sk, VE1ZZ/VE1ZJ, VO1NA= ) have=20 conducted successful 2-way QSO's with Europeans, I somehow don't remem= ber=20 having read about previous contacts involving U.S. stations. Could som= eone=20 share information who did it, and when?=20 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: N1BUG An: rsgb_lf_group ; rsgb_lf_group=20 ; Discussion of the Lowfer (US, Europ= ean, &=20 UK) and MedFer bands Verschickt: Do, 29. Mrz 2018 20:29 Betreff: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO It has been brought to my attention that there were two way contacts between U.S. Part 5 stations and the UK (and perhaps other Europe) some years back. I did not know that some Part 5 licenses were authorized to make two way contacts with amateur radio stations. Much of what happened during those days does not seem to be well documented or widely known. Therefore, with apologies to all concerned, I retract my statement that this was the first USA to UK or USA to Europe 137 kHz QSO. It was not my intent to take anything away from the accomplishments of those who paved the way for amateur occupancy of these bands. Unless someone comes forward with information to the contrary I still believe it to be the first amateur to amateur USA to UK and USA to Europe QSO. At the time of my original post I was thinking, but failed to state, "amateur radio QSO". In any case it was the most exciting QSO of my 37 years in amateur radio and I sincerely thank Chris, 2E0ILY, for his considerable effort and sacrifice which made it possible. 73, Paul N1BUG --hQRVjiaGDhVL4GqjEjOq2yhRBi2Ej=_bS6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Alan, Paul, Markus and LF enthusiasts
 
A bit of history from this side of the pond ... to the best of my= recollection. 
 
Beginning in 2003, 137 kHz Part 5 licences were issued = to individual stations ... WD2XDW (KL7L), WD2XGJ (K2ORS), WD2XES (W1TA= G), WD2XNS (W1VD), WD2XKO (W4DEX), etc. Some of these application= s included specific wording (thanks to Warren's iniative) that co= ntacts could be made with other Part 5 and licensed amateur stati= ons.
 
In 2007 Warren applied for a 500 kHz Part 5 license tha= t included himself, Bill Ashlock, W1TAG and W1VD under the&n= bsp;WE2XGR/x callsign. Again the application included specif= ic wording about contacts with other Part 5 and licensed amateur stati= ons. Other stations were later added to this license.
 
Even though some on the U.S. side had the ability to contact= foreign licensed amateurs there was concern on the EU side wheth= er their licenses allowed such contacts. Based on grabber spectrograms=  from both sides of the pond, signal levels were certainly s= trong enough to allow QRSS or other digital mode QSO's on many nights = between many of the band's participants. To the best of my knowle= dge, and John W1TAG's, there never was a two way 137 kHz QSO between t= he US and EU. Yes there were EU / VE contacts. Yes there wer= e EU / US crossband contacts.
 
I would agree with Alan and Markus, that unless there is evd= ence to the contrary, that Paul and Chris can claim first US < = ;> EU QSO on 137 kHz. Congratulations Paul and Chris!
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
 
 
p.s. As a side note ... on 500 kHz there were contacts = between WE2XGR/2 (W1VD), WE2XGR/6 (W2ZM)  and GI4DPE and others.&= nbsp;  
 
     
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
Sent: 3/31/2018 1:06:49 PM
Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO
Paul and Markus, I was triggered to d= o a little searching today. (BTW I did NOT say there HAD been US&= lt;>EU 2-way QSOs with Warren K2ORS's Part 5 licencees, I just indi= cated I thought it unlikely there had not)
 
I have to say that I cannot find any = evidence so far, despite WD2XES John's station logs showing him c= opied extensively in EU over many years, there is no 2-way QSO. I know= the change to digital modes on a local BC station made reception almo= st impossible for him. By the time these Part 5 licences were issued m= any of the UK late-night LF addicts (G3YXM, G0MRF, G3LDO, and G3A= QC to mention a few) had left the band, and a QSO at QRSS60 meant a sl= eepless night !. QRSS3 was possible on favourable nights but best time= s were often just about an hour before dawn in UK. Jay W1VD (who has b= etter recetion to the East than John) being currently active does not = indicate his knowledge of such an event.
 
That being the case I would be inclin= ed to reinstate your claim Paul and Chris, against evidence to the con= trary being put forward. Again Congratulations on your efforts. I= remember being told that we would not get out of our back gardens on = LF with a 1 watt ERP limit !! It is not easy but that is what mak= es the effort worthwhile.
 
Best Wishes
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
Markus Vester
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 = 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION reg= arding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

Hi Paul,

though I am aware that Ca= nadian amateurs (VA3LK sk, VE1ZZ/VE1ZJ, VO1NA) have conducted successf= ul 2-way QSO's with Europeans, I somehow don't remember=  having read about previous contacts involving U.S. sta= tions. Could someone share information who did it, and when?=  

73, Markus (DF6NM)

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: N= 1BUG <paul@n1bug.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org>; rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@yahoogro= ups.co.uk>; Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and M= edFer bands <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
Verschickt:= Do, 29. Mrz 2018 20:29
Betreff: LF: CORRECTION regard= ing 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

It has bee= n brought to my attention that there were two way contacts
between U.S. Part 5 stations and the UK (and perhaps other Europe= )
some years back. I did not know that some Part 5 lic= enses were
authorized to make two way contacts with am= ateur radio stations.
Much of what happened during tho= se days does not seem to be well
documented or widely = known.

Therefore, with apologies to a= ll concerned, I retract my statement
that this was the= first USA to UK or USA to Europe 137 kHz QSO. It
was = not my intent to take anything away from the accomplishments of
those who paved the way for amateur occupancy of these bands= =2E

Unless someone comes forward with= information to the contrary I
still believe it to be = the first amateur to amateur USA to UK and
USA to Euro= pe QSO. At the time of my original post I was thinking,
but failed to state, "amateur radio QSO".

In any case it was the most exciting QSO of my 37 years in amat= eur
radio and I sincerely thank Chris, 2E0ILY, for his= considerable
effort and sacrifice which made it possi= ble.

73,
Paul N1BUG
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