Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id w2VIqRjQ009540 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 20:52:30 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1f2LSj-0007Ip-2s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 19:42:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1f2LSa-0007IP-P9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 19:42:40 +0100 Received: from omr-m020e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f2JJj-0007jz-AU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 17:25:25 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-mcb01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcb01.mx.aol.com [172.26.50.175]) by omr-m020e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id F1E693800087 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 12:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acd05f.mail.aol.com (core-acd05.mail.aol.com [172.27.22.15]) by mtaomg-mcb01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A347E38000081 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 12:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.194.222.230 by webjasstg-vaa54.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.25.57) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 31 Mar 2018 12:25:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 12:25:21 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <1627ce0ab09-1796-f68@webjasstg-vaa54.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.194.222.230] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1522513521; bh=JHSMtLkShBrt5MP6irgiKUaAaBJjbI4Of05TQR8D6oc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o9KR2pm6VH8pj5CMzANrAp65hIU2Rm7GGK3yKm4FyRy6N1TFGN9TcNECvn/IzWaJf pxIFOveAxjvBgvfj8oKOx3TMJDIlUYD3TjVCzkKDdruZbN7J0mae6f5ung2WKz2z4A upRf9fJjD/Bf206H0K+tApQv7OIkB+jJznrJCLV4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a32af5abfb6710db9 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Mal, so you are saying "it has been done before but we can't talk about it"? I guess that if you want to claim something you've at least got to admit to it... Unless details about earlier contacts (no matter whether under "amateur", "experimental", "part 5" or whatever rules) are published, my take would be that Paul and Chris were first. [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.6 URIBL_SBL Contains an URL's NS IP listed in the Spamhaus SBL blocklist [URIs: n1bug.com] 0.1 URIBL_SBL_A Contains URL's A record listed in the Spamhaus SBL blocklist [URIs: n1bug.com] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 92b6515a4252c45136e975e6745a1e0d Subject: Re: LF: Re: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4714_1769469844.1522513521417" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ------=_Part_4714_1769469844.1522513521417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal, so you are saying "it has been done before but we can't talk about it"? I g= uess that if you want to claim something you've at least got to admit to it= ... Unless details about earlier contacts (no matter whether under "amateur= ", "experimental", "part 5" or whatever rules) are published, my take would= be that Paul and Chris were first. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: g3kevmal An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 31. Mrz 2018 18:10 Betreff: LF: Re: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO Maybe Part 5 USA operators do not want to talk about it !! It was open to i= nterpretation as to what exactly an operator did when experimenting and com= municating. however USA/UK communications did take place on both LF and MF at the time = in question. also commercial services were communicating on LF/MF Transatlantic and world wid= e since time began. Royal Navy, Merchant Navy and point to point communicat= ions Very little new, its all old HAT G3KEV =20 =20 From: Markus Vester=20 Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 4:22 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO =20 =20 Hi Paul, though I am aware that Canadian amateurs (VA3LK sk, VE1ZZ/VE1ZJ, VO1NA) hav= e conducted successful 2-way QSO's with Europeans, I somehow don't remember= having read about previous contacts involving U.S. stations. Could someone= share information who did it, and when?=20 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: N1BUG An: rsgb_lf_group ; rsgb_lf_group ; Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and M= edFer bands Verschickt: Do, 29. Mrz 2018 20:29 Betreff: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO It has been brought to my attention that there were two way contacts between U.S. Part 5 stations and the UK (and perhaps other Europe) some years back. I did not know that some Part 5 licenses were authorized to make two way contacts with amateur radio stations. Much of what happened during those days does not seem to be well documented or widely known. Therefore, with apologies to all concerned, I retract my statement that this was the first USA to UK or USA to Europe 137 kHz QSO. It was not my intent to take anything away from the accomplishments of those who paved the way for amateur occupancy of these bands. Unless someone comes forward with information to the contrary I still believe it to be the first amateur to amateur USA to UK and USA to Europe QSO. At the time of my original post I was thinking, but failed to state, "amateur radio QSO". In any case it was the most exciting QSO of my 37 years in amateur radio and I sincerely thank Chris, 2E0ILY, for his considerable effort and sacrifice which made it possible. 73, Paul N1BUG ------=_Part_4714_1769469844.1522513521417 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mal,

so you are saying "it has bee= n done before but we can't talk about it"? I guess that if you want to=  claim something you've at least got to admit to it... Unless details = about earlier contacts (no matter whether under "amateur", "experimental", = "part 5" or whatever rules) are published, my take would be that Paul and C= hris were first.

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: g3kevmal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
An: rsgb_l= f_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Sa,= 31. Mrz 2018 18:10
Betreff: LF: Re: CORRECTION regarding 2E= 0ILY-N1BUG QSO

 
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 4:22 PM<= /div>
Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2= E0ILY-N1BUG=20 QSO
 
Hi Paul,

though I am= aware that Canadian amateurs (VA3LK sk,=20 VE1ZZ/VE1ZJ, VO1NA) have conducted successful 2-way QSO's with Europeans, I= =20 somehow don't remember having read about previous contacts involving U.S.= =20 stations. Could someone share information who did it, and when?

73, Markus (DF6NM)

----= -Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: N1BUG=20 <paul@n1bug.com>An: rsgb_lf_group=20 <rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org>; rsgb_lf_group=20 <rsgb_lf_= group@yahoogroups.co.uk>; Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European,=20 & UK) and MedFer bands <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
Verschickt: Do, 29.= Mrz 2018 20:29
Betreff: LF:=20 CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

= It has=20 been brought to my attention that there were two way contacts
between U.S. Part 5 stations and the UK (and perhaps other Europe)
some years back. I did not know that some Part 5 licenses were
authorized to make two way contacts with amateur radio stations= .
Much of what happened during those days does not seem to b= e well
documented or widely known.

Therefore,=20 with apologies to all concerned, I retract my statement
that= this=20 was the first USA to UK or USA to Europe 137 kHz QSO. It
was= not=20 my intent to take anything away from the accomplishments of
= those=20 who paved the way for amateur occupancy of these bands.

Unless someone comes forward with information to the contrary I=
still believe it to be the first amateur to amateur USA to = UK and
USA to Europe QSO. At the time of my original post I = was thinking,
but failed to state, "amateur radio QSO".

In any case it was the most exciting QSO of my 3= 7 years in amateur
radio and I sincerely thank Chris, 2E0ILY= , for his considerable
effort and sacrifice which made it po= ssible.

73,
Paul N1BUG

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