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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Rik, Somehow I had not seen that before! It is excellent and answers almost all my questions. I'm still curious about one thing. QSB can be a big problem (as with EME, hi). This can make it difficult to know exactly when a station has stopped his transmission. Is the timing always "random" or are timed TX/RX periods sometimes used? It seems like it would be easier with timed sequences. The only difficulty I see is correctly calculating how much time will be needed to send the longest expected message in a QSO. It takes me half a sheet of paper and a lot of scribbling to figure that out. ;-) [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.6 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals X-Scan-Signature: 7ab87d4d3ea1d9dcb73a78e83fe4d608 Subject: Re: LF: MF/630M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello Rik, Somehow I had not seen that before! It is excellent and answers almost all my questions. I'm still curious about one thing. QSB can be a big problem (as with EME, hi). This can make it difficult to know exactly when a station has stopped his transmission. Is the timing always "random" or are timed TX/RX periods sometimes used? It seems like it would be easier with timed sequences. The only difficulty I see is correctly calculating how much time will be needed to send the longest expected message in a QSO. It takes me half a sheet of paper and a lot of scribbling to figure that out. ;-) I'm very interested in this subject since it is my dream to complete a trans-Atlantic QSO on 2200m when I get enough TX power. 73, Paul N1BUG On 02/04/2018 05:58 AM, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Hello Paul, > > "I am looking for information on QSO operating procedures for QRSS. I have only seen it used for beaconing." > > See http://www.472khz.org/pages/technical-topics/weak-signal-modes/extreme-narrow-bandwidth-modes.php (scroll down to "operating practice"). > > Maybe we should organize a transatlantic QSO party? JT9 and QRSS maybe the best modes for most of us, the "big guns" can try FT8 or plain CW. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org namens N1BUG > Verzonden: zondag 4 februari 2018 11:47 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: MF/630M > > Just think how many trans-Atlantic QSOs could be made. Some, like > myself are very interested but the primary problem is no one awake > on the east side of the pond at the right times! > > I have seen signals strong enough for normal CW only a few times. > JT9 would be easy and requires only about 3 dB more signal to decode > than WSPR2. I am looking for information on QSO operating procedures > for QRSS. I have only seen it used for beaconing. > > I've been off MF for a while as I put up a temporary HF antenna to > work the Bouvet DXpedition and it severely messed up tuning of the > MF antenna. Now that the Bouvet trip has been aborted I will be > taking that antenna down and returning to MF as soon as I get a > reasonable weather window. I will likely be on MF for a week or so > before moving to LF. > > 73, > Paul N1BUG