Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id w1RDkX7I005569 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 14:46:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1eqfUH-0004Nx-Cm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 13:40:09 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1eqfUA-0004No-JM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 13:40:02 +0000 Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.196]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eqfU7-0000sh-J0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 13:40:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.129] ([72.224.254.201]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus003 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Lj3bk-1eJF7x4BlW-00dHng; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 14:39:12 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" , "rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk" , "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" , 600 / 630 Meter Group <600mrg@w7ekb.com> From: N1BUG Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:39:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:hLxKpzzUgtnhHW0VyOU/1md44bZaacxRXErNYAP6lNKna8PSo83 DoIW07LjjMyEN+rl/Jrz4qwx7q+gJTE5NZpB2hV2xM72GHDYUgecFiWirS4fHxeA6slN4UZ M+z+HWMDDzJU5qnJJ5Qi3+rBjfBOQAgJR7LvkO0H5/O5pYONsW5An3gAvBZNBqHTxENcKJG 0UU7mCTtoL+FDxHup1RcQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:NRfidPqmIY4=:lX/8RwrHMP4O7dtkU9tZNP 7JIcgzzPT1ZQ1J9Eyp2oCw71ZT4fSXicqUTUlE+3SvK8sYsO6wX4wimbLFpzAKcHrE8DxzZk4 /FQCs9ubZ4yte2UP7ovu5RZYTxyZxLmbW8vf0q7ObE5vBElsu7LSqOTgAbq0KNWBkkZ9K6zvx fDgh+yofYf8qUwNGsfGLZJL2m5ct2DrtYgPoixnsSvKNEXbEK43jWAd53GL0HFJvDZzHdMkXx A1duImd1BTlPOO9eip3r6CrDnlk2IBPL9fzBkNVTDesahhWXnxsHmQ5Z6AuUTmBMFT98Djf5X S5bf4gK+EynrzAwi7UZJnRLHcV1W0fQEgg8ycCpfFO+bgBp4XKvNOiOnaFMFwIV4gmegKjFOe sHPnfVIuz3WtIJGSkLeESlzPKYeqjDU2XvSKnyd+MZhlEKEe+u4XlcMakJ3fp1rZYtcOC7HnK jrBlwOqfkc0wWjS2nKi7tUONGLmT0Tjw+Sk5+G+9WqWgJ3VQ1TAE40wTEMMO2npEqOel9dGBl KvDORMHJUMYQHoQYEsPd+cOwSP/TalO6Qx7X41Pkyxipa3x95cLXh5T6YTF1CUIath9O0VnrE y7CQ6rCYWylv8XWDrMH/UmDBarHosua2Ur/gmX20VBylzMglQo2nkzQ4XCESb6iPQn1QXj83C FC63ap16uSQGAXq1iDq3xJWs9K+keRYCnTroc7Qw3IgQUoU24nwVVDP7vZUpQQICohaS1Axif EqXgkGwss/gVjXOb9QPfChf/tI1tZledgvskhysu0veZrJCE4l9QDFChewI= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Last night 1.9 continued to have a clear advantage but by a much narrower margin that the first night. In 12 hours ending 1100z: LF 178 decodes with 1.9, 174 with 1.8 MF 890 decodes wtih 1.9, 838 with 1.8 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: LF: WSJT-X 1.9 v 1.8 second night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Last night 1.9 continued to have a clear advantage but by a much narrower margin that the first night. In 12 hours ending 1100z: LF 178 decodes with 1.9, 174 with 1.8 MF 890 decodes wtih 1.9, 838 with 1.8 Maybe propagation is the reason? Joe Taylor offered this information regarding the new WSPR decoder: ... You may be interested to know a bit more about how this enhancement works -- and why it's so effective at LF and MF but provides little or no advantage at HF. All of the JT modes use continuous-phase frequency-shift keying (CPFSK), but with the exception of MSK144 the software demoduators estimate soft-symbol values independently for each symbol interval. In other words, we generally do not take advantage of the phase continuity that should exist across symbol boundaries. The new WSPR demodulator treats received data coherently in blocks up to 3 symbols long. If the radio channel is stable enough, we find the resulting WSPR sensitivity threshold is approximately -31.5 dB. The scheme provides no benefit at HF because even a block size of two symbols (about 1.4 s) generally exceeds the coherence time of the HF channel. ... My parallel 1.9 vs 1.8 test will continue on both LF and MF. 73, Paul N1BUG