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Content preview: Paul I use VOX to key my TX and it works fb, never had any problems. 73 de mal/g3kev Sent from Mail for Windows 10 [...] Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.6 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 MISSING_MID Missing Message-Id: header 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: e7c02b6e85723bae4746298f7f529717 Message-Id: Subject: RE: LF: MF/630M Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1912F864-507F-4F6F-85C8-C4D59A692B37_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,PRIORITY_NO_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --_1912F864-507F-4F6F-85C8-C4D59A692B37_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Paul I use VOX to key my TX and it works fb, never had any problems. 73 de mal/g3kev Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: N1BUG Sent: 05 February 2018 11:20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: MF/630M Hi David, Thanks for the info. I still need to install the QRSS software and see if i= t will key my radio through the USB to serial interface I use with N1MM con= test software. Meanwhile as noted in a previous message I hope to be calling CQ on JT9 ton= ight. More on this later. I spent the better part of three days working in freezing temperatures, win= d and snow to put up temporary antennas in hope of working Bouvet. Well, at= least I got some good exercise ! :-) I'm sure the Bouvet team is far more = disappointed than we are. If DXing were easy and without possibility of fai= lure the reward would not be nearly as sweet. I see I am going to have a problem getting LF, MF and HF to play well in th= e space available. The only place I can support wires high enough for real = DXing on 80, 40, 30m is to hang them from one of my two towers. Unfortunate= ly this puts them extremely close to the LF/MF Marconi which is hanging bet= ween the same towers and this seems to cause massive problems. I believe th= e solution may be a vertical of some sort for these bands, which can be som= ewhat further removed from the LF/MF antenna. That will involve laying down= many more radials and is clearly a project for summer ! I have half a mete= r of snow on the frozen ground now with more coming ! 73, Paul N1BUG FN55mf waiting for sunrise so I can see what conditions on the towers are after la= st night's winter storm On 02/04/2018 06:46 PM, David Bowman wrote: Hi Paul I had a similar exchange with Bob WA1OJN a couple of weeks ago. Here's what I said about QRSS, but I agree, JT9 should be possible although= I think you probably need -26. If you want to let me know when you are calling CQ, I can certainly switch = the receiver to look for JT9. It sounds easy, but I have let the RX run for a few hours on different nigh= ts after 01.00 ....but have only seen 1 station from Europe. Sorry about Bouvet, there's a lot of people here who have spent the last fe= w weeks upgrading equipment just to make 1 QSO=C2=A0 ! WA1OJN:=C2=A0 How does the ability of QRSS compare to WSPR and JT9 as far a= s weak signals?=C2=A0 I see it is dependant upon the speed - looks like it = should be able to be comparable to WSPR at the very slow speeds.=C2=A0 What= speeds do you "normally" use? G0MRF:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 3 second or 5 second dots is a good place to start= .=C2=A0=C2=A0 To speed up the process, you give your full call in a CQ, the= n when called reduce your ID to just the last 3 characters. So=C2=A0 a QSO would go something like this: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 CQ de WA1OJN=C2=A0 WA1OJN k =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WA1OJN=C2=A0 N1BUG OO K =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 N1BUG=C2=A0 OJN=C2=A0 R MM K =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 OJN BUG=C2=A0 R 73 Note the use of moonbounce reporting rather than 599 etc.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= Strong sigs are an O report.=C2=A0 M is equivalent to an S4 or 5.=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 T=C2=A0 is weak and barely readable. WA1OJN:=C2=A0 Can you advise what carrier frequencies are generally used fo= r QRSS on 630M?=C2=A0=20 G0MRF:=C2=A0 (I think I said just above WSPR so people stand a chance of se= eing your CW) 73 David On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 10:47 AM, N1BUG wrote: Just think how many trans-Atlantic QSOs could be made. Some, like myself ar= e very interested but the primary problem is no one awake on the east side = of the pond at the right times! I have seen signals strong enough for normal CW only a few times. JT9 would= be easy and requires only about 3 dB more signal to decode than WSPR2. I a= m looking for information on QSO operating procedures for QRSS. I have only= seen it used for beaconing. I've been off MF for a while as I put up a temporary HF antenna to work the= Bouvet DXpedition and it severely messed up tuning of the MF antenna. Now = that the Bouvet trip has been aborted I will be taking that antenna down an= d returning to MF as soon as I get a reasonable weather window. I will like= ly be on MF for a week or so before moving to LF. 73, Paul N1BUG=20 On 02/04/2018 05:05 AM, mal hamilton wrote: Last nite results good but not unusual, had reports from AA1A, KA1R, VE1YY Transatlantic contacts seem a regular occurrence at present on MF between t= he UK and N.America Most operators are using WSPR but more CW both normal and QRSS would be wel= come like it used to be some years ago, ie real QSO mode 73 de mal/g3kev/io94sh --=20 Paul N1BUG 160m-2m DXCC Honor Roll WI2XTC 2200m-630m Experimental license FN55mf ME Piscataquis County http://www.n1bug.com http://www.aurorasentry.com --_1912F864-507F-4F6F-85C8-C4D59A692B37_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

Paul

I use V= OX to key my TX and it works fb, never had any problems.

 

73 de mal/g3kev

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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From: N1BUG
Sent: 05 February 2018 11:20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: MF/630M

 

Hi David,

Thanks for the info. I still need to install the QRSS sof= tware and see if it will key my radio through the USB to serial interface I= use with N1MM contest software.

Meanwhile as noted in a previous mes= sage I hope to be calling CQ on JT9 tonight. More on this later.

=

I sp= ent the better part of three days working in freezing temperatures, wind an= d snow to put up temporary antennas in hope of working Bouvet. Well, at lea= st I got some good exercise ! :-) I'm sure the Bouvet team is far more disa= ppointed than we are. If DXing were easy and without possibility of failure= the reward would not be nearly as sweet.

I see I am going to have a = problem getting LF, MF and HF to play well in the space available. The only= place I can support wires high enough for real DXing on 80, 40, 30m is to = hang them from one of my two towers. Unfortunately this puts them extremely= close to the LF/MF Marconi which is hanging between the same towers and th= is seems to cause massive problems. I believe the solution may be a vertica= l of some sort for these bands, which can be somewhat further removed from = the LF/MF antenna. That will involve laying down many more radials and is c= learly a project for summer ! I have half a meter of snow on the frozen gro= und now with more coming !

73,
Paul N1BUG FN55mf
waiting for su= nrise so I can see what conditions on the towers are after last night's win= ter storm

 

 = ;

On 02/04/2018 06:46 PM, David Bowman w= rote:

Hi Paul

I had a similar exchange with Bob WA1OJN a couple of = weeks ago.

Here's what I said about QRSS, but I agree, JT9 should be possible = although I think you probably need -26.

If you want to let me know when you are calling CQ, I can certainly s= witch the receiver to look for JT9.

It sounds easy, but I have let the RX run = for a few hours on different nights after 01.00 ....but have only seen 1 st= ation from Europe.

Sorry about Bouvet, there's a lot of people here who have s= pent the last few weeks upgrading equipment just to make 1 QSO  !

WA1OJN:  How does the ability of QRSS compare to = WSPR and JT9 as far as weak signals?  I see it is dependant upon the s= peed - looks like it should be able to be comparable to WSPR at the very sl= ow speeds.  What speeds do you "normally" use?
G0MRF:    3 second or 5 second dots is a goo= d place to start.   To speed up the process, you give your full c= all in a CQ, then when called reduce your ID to just the last 3 characters.=
So  a QSO would go something like this:

   &= nbsp;  CQ de WA1OJN  WA1OJN k
      W= A1OJN  N1BUG OO K
      N1BUG  OJN&nb= sp; R MM K
      OJN BUG  R 73

Note= the use of moonbounce reporting rather than 599 etc.    Str= ong sigs are an O report.  M is equivalent to an S4 or 5.  &= nbsp; T  is weak and barely readable.

 

WA1OJN:  Can you advise what carrier frequencies= are generally used for QRSS on 630M? 
G0MRF:  (I think I sai= d just above WSPR so people stand a chance of seeing your CW)

73

David

 

 

On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 10:47 AM,= N1BUG <paul@n1bug.c= om> wrote:

Just think how many trans-Atlantic QSOs could= be made. Some, like myself are very interested but the primary problem is = no one awake on the east side of the pond at the right times!

I have= seen signals strong enough for normal CW only a few times. JT9 would be ea= sy and requires only about 3 dB more signal to decode than WSPR2. I am look= ing for information on QSO operating procedures for QRSS. I have only seen = it used for beaconing.

I've been off MF for a while as I put up a te= mporary HF antenna to work the Bouvet DXpedition and it severely messed up = tuning of the MF antenna. Now that the Bouvet trip has been aborted I will = be taking that antenna down and returning to MF as soon as I get a reasonab= le weather window. I will likely be on MF for a week or so before moving to= LF.

73,
Paul N1BUG




On 02/04/2018 05:05 AM, mal hamilton wrote:

Last n= ite results good but not unusual, had reports from

AA1A, KA1R, VE1YY=

Transatlantic contacts seem a regular occurrence at present on MF b= etween the UK and N.America

Most operators are using WSPR but more C= W both normal and QRSS would be welcome like it used to be some years ago, = ie real QSO mode

73 de mal/g3kev/io94sh

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> 

 



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