Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id w1ALelme004905 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 22:40:50 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ekcow-0007gE-Hm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 21:36:30 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ekcov-0007g5-Uv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 21:36:29 +0000 Received: from gmy2-mh804.smtproutes.com ([94.186.192.133]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ekcor-00073b-LZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 21:36:28 +0000 X-Katharion-ID: 1518298570.14536.gmy2-mh804 Received: from servigilant.vigilant.es ([85.60.35.36]) by gmy2-mh804.smtproutes.com [(94.186.192.133)] with ESMTP via TCP (TLSv1/TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA); 10 Feb 2018 21:36:10 +0000 Received: from servigilant.vigilant.local ([fe80::c40d:8140:d722:5448]) by servigilant.vigilant.local ([fe80::c40d:8140:d722:5448%13]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 22:36:02 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?VIGILANT_Luis_Fern=E1ndez?= To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna? Thread-Index: AQHToq9zHWkrcnGdjUKCdbE9zrb47qOeJrUb Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 21:36:01 +0000 Message-ID: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB9AB51BD1@servigilant.vigilant.local> References: <1141766435.11271551.1518295257531.ref@mail.yahoo.com>,<1141766435.11271551.1518295257531@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1141766435.11271551.1518295257531@mail.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: es-ES, en-US Content-Language: es-ES X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [144.178.134.134] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi David, Clemens, Markus. ELF ! :-O I have searched about Kiruna observatory and found the page which shows the magnetic pulsations daily. There is really an interesting signal at about 1.6Hz during March 2015 which can't be seen in other months/years http://www2.irf.se/maggraphs/puls.php [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: e7c02b6e85723bae4746298f7f529717 Subject: Re: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB9AB51BD1servigilantvigi_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --_000_579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB9AB51BD1servigilantvigi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi David, Clemens, Markus. ELF ! :-O I have searched about Kiruna observatory and found the page which shows the= magnetic pulsations daily. There is really an interesting signal at about 1.6Hz during March 20= 15 which can't be seen in other months/years http://www2.irf.se/maggraphs/puls.php A test would be quite interesting David. Do you mean you can transmit actua= lly with your Tesla system and leave a trace at Kiruna at >2000Km ? Or that from march 2015 was an exc= eptional achievement and unique event ? At minimum this is fascinating David. A demonstration would be very interes= ting. Are you able to set the system on Tx ? 73 de Luis EA5DOM ________________________________ De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]= en nombre de David Hine [evad_hine@yahoo.co.uk] Enviado: s=E1bado, 10 de febrero de 2018 21:40 Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Asunto: Re: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna? Hi Clemens, I don't understand that sort of stuff, and I just judge the ant= enna on its 'on air' receive and transmit performance. It sounds like 'Marconi' technology type of 'logic', and I'm very doubtful it applies= to the VLF Tesla antenna technology. It's essential when doing 'Tesla', everything Marconi appears irrelevant, a= nd best 'forgotten'. This causes technical disputes, and so it's best to wait and see how it performs on Long Waves as a transmitting antenn= a. Another interesting thing noticed after ELF transmissions (at 1.6 Hz), are = very long delayed echoes that last for extremely long periods. The signals = also get 'distorted', and the timings are also changed by the ELF propagati= on. Local 'mixing' with mains hums also occurs at the receiver locale, crea= ting 'spurious' by products. This is all so different to any other type of = radio. These strange 'effects' occur below 5 Hz, but the 'sprogs' spread up= to 200 Hz. These strange propagation effects may not occur at 'normal' frequencies, so= that's one reason to investigate the Tesla method on ordinary VLF and Long= Wave (LF). I realise this will be 'weird' to most, and it's something that was 'forgot= ten' over 100 years ago, when Tesla's work was 'written out of history'. Th= e Tesla stuff found on the web is missing much vital information, and witho= ut that, it is incomplete and does not work. I am referring to Tesla's powe= r by wireless system, which is a VLF one. With very kind regards, David. ________________________________ From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, 10 February 2018, 19:44 Subject: RE: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna? Hi David, >>Maybe you can disclose at least the the 3dB BW of this kind of antenna? >Hi Clemens, I'm not sure I understand your question. The 3 dB bandwidth is f0/Q and Q is defined as X/R where X is the reactance of the inductor and the capacitor at the resonant frequency. The lossless-Q of a small antenna is a useful academic quantity, and is the reactance divided by the radiation-resistance. It gives the maximum theoretical Q for any given small antenna, and then the actual Q can be measured on the real antenna. The radiation efficiency is the lossless Q divided by the actual Q, by the equations: Qlossless =3D X/Rrad, Qactual =3D X/(Rrad+Rloss), Qactual/Qlossless =3D Rrad/(Rrad+Rloss) =3D radiation efficiency. An interesting limit for small antennas is the minimum lossless Q that can be achieved, and was derived by Chu in 1948 from only the frequency and the size of the antenna. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of David Hine >Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:13 PM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna? > --_000_579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB9AB51BD1servigilantvigi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi David, Clemens, Markus. ELF ! :-O

I have searched about Kiruna observatory and found the page which show= s the magnetic pulsations
daily. There is really an interesting signal at about 1.6Hz during Mar= ch 2015 which can't be seen

A test would be quite interesting David. Do you mean you can transmit = actually with your Tesla system
and leave a trace at Kiruna at >2000Km ? Or that from march 2015 wa= s an exceptional achievement
and unique event ?

At minimum this is fascinating David. A demonstration would be very in= teresting. Are you able to set
the system on Tx ?

73 de Luis
EA5DOM  

De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de David Hine [evad_hine@yahoo= .co.uk]
Enviado: s=E1bado, 10 de febrero de 2018 21:40
Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Asunto: Re: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna?

Hi Clemens, I= don't understand that sort of stuff, and I just judge the antenna on its '= on air' receive and transmit performance. It sounds
like 'Marconi= ' technology type of 'logic', and I'm very doubtful it applies to the VLF T= esla antenna technology.
It's essentia= l when doing 'Tesla', everything Marconi appears irrelevant, and best 'forg= otten'. This causes technical disputes, and so it's
best to wait = and see how it performs on Long Waves as a transmitting antenna.
Another inter= esting thing noticed after ELF transmissions (at 1.6 Hz), are very long del= ayed echoes that last for extremely long periods. The signals also get 'dis= torted', and the timings are also changed by the ELF propagation. Local 'mixing' with mains hums also occurs= at the receiver locale, creating 'spurious' by products. This is all so di= fferent to any other type of radio. These strange 'effects' occur below 5 H= z, but the 'sprogs' spread up to 200 Hz.
T= hese strange propagation effects may not occur at 'normal' frequencies, so = that's one reason to investigate the Tesla method on ordinary VLF and Long = Wave (LF).
I= realise this will be 'weird' to most, and it's something that was 'forgott= en' over 100 years ago, when Tesla's work was 'written out of history'. The= Tesla stuff found on the web is missing much vital information, and without that, it is incomplete and does not wo= rk. I am referring to Tesla's power by wireless system, which is a VLF one.=
With very kind= regards, David.  


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From: Clemens P= aul <cpaul@gmx.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org
Sent: Saturday,= 10 February 2018, 19:44
Subject: RE: VL= F: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna?
H= i David,
>>Maybe you can disclose at least the the 3dB BW of this kind of ante= nna?
>Hi Clemens, I'm not sure I understand your question.
The 3 dB bandwidth is f0/Q and  Q is defined as X/R
where X is the reactance of the inductor and the capacitor at the
resonant frequency.
The lossless-Q of a small antenna is a useful academic quantity, and is
the reactance divided by the radiation-resistance.  It gives the maxim= um
theoretical Q for any given small antenna, and then the actual Q can be
measured on the real antenna.  The radiation efficiency is the lossles= s Q
divided by the actual Q, by the equations:
Qlossless =3D X/Rrad,
Qactual =3D X/(Rrad+Rloss),
Qactual/Qlossless =3D Rrad/(Rrad+Rloss) =3D radiation efficiency.
An interesting limit for small antennas is the minimum lossless Q that can<= br clear=3D"none"> be achieved, and was derived by Chu in 1948 from only the frequency and
the size of the antenna.
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ


>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of David Hine=
>Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:13 PM
>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>Subject: Re: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna?
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