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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thank you all for the very interesting comments. Looks like there is a lot to investigate in this field and that is good. Wide room for further investigations :-) Jacek, you mentioned what I was midnight oiling here " If you want some semi-DX in the H-field, then try coupling into some long conductors (pipes, power lines, railway tracks etc)" [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-Scan-Signature: 4e3b1488273adbbe9757d6bdd5adf219 Subject: Re: LF: VLF Small magnetic antenna for Tx Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by klubnl.pl id w13JxvSY007821 Thank you all for the very interesting comments. Looks like there is a lot to investigate in this field and that is good. Wide room for further investigations :-) Jacek, you mentioned what I was midnight oiling here " If you want some semi-DX in the H-field, then try coupling into some long conductors (pipes, power lines, railway tracks etc)" What about coupling the loop to my 90m vertical ? Adding another transformer from loop to vertical or just winding some coils of the vertical over the small loop ring would work ? Of course a tuned vertical with a huge coil would work better and run more current. But it is very hard for me to get more than 180pF antenna capacity and that means 2mH coil for 8270Hz :( Looks like this is something "easier" to test than winding super coils What do you think about the coupling system ? 73 de Luis EA5DOM ________________________________________ De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de DK7FC [selberdenken@posteo.de] Enviado: sábado, 3 de febrero de 2018 17:57 Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Asunto: Re: LF: VLF Small magnetic antenna for Tx Or here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahfeld_und_Fernfeld_(Antennen)#Nahfeld 73, Stefan Am 03.02.2018 11:24, schrieb Clemens Paul: > Hi Jim, > > >> At 38kHz the impedance of the transmitting loop’s field at 100 >> meters is ~ 25 ohms, >> > I've found a graph showing Z_Wave over D/ʎ. > Near the loop: Z_wave = 377*(2pi*D) / lambda > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of >> hvanesce@comcast.net >> Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 11:22 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: RE: LF: VLF Small magnetic antenna for Tx >>